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Ares
10th February 2015, 11:54 AM
When Ukrainian army officers came to the Ukrainian village of Velikaya Znamenka to tell the men to prepare to be drafted, they weren’t prepared for what happened next. As the commanding officer was speaking, a woman seized the microphone and proceeded to tell him off: "We’re sick of this war! Our husbands and sons aren’t going anywhere!" She then launched into a passionate speech, denouncing the war, and the coup leaders in Kiev, to the cheers of the crowd.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=PQjmwVC_Dts

Link to video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=PQjmwVC_Dts

What she did is now a crime in Ukraine: the only reason she wasn’t arrested on the spot is that the villagers wouldn’t have permitted it. But in Ukrainian Transcarpathia, well-known journalist for Ukrainian Channel 112 Ruslan Kotsaba has been arrested and charged with "treason" and "espionage" for making a video in which he declared: "I would rather sit in jail for three to five years than go to the east to kill my Ukrainian brothers. This fear-mongering must be stopped." Kotsaba may sit in jail for twenty-three years, the prescribed term for the charges filed against him.

Kotsaba’s arrest is part of a desperate effort by the Ukrainian government to intimidate the growing antiwar and anti-draft movement, which threatens to upend Kiev’s dreams of conquering the rebellious eastern provinces. Kotsaba’s particular crime, according to prosecutors, was in describing the conflict as a civil war rather than a Russian "invasion." This is a point the authorities cannot tolerate: the same meme being relentlessly broadcast by the Western media – that an indigenous rebellion with substantial support is really a Russian plot to "subvert" Ukraine and reestablish the Warsaw Pact – now has the force of law in Ukraine. Anyone who contradicts it is subject to arrest.

Also subject to arrest, and worse: the thousands who are fleeing the country in order to avoid being conscripted into the military. In a Facebook post that was quickly deleted, Defense Minister Stepan Poltorak wrote: “According to unofficial sources, hostels and motels in border regions of neighboring Romania are completely filled with draft dodgers.” President Petro Poroshenko, the Chocolate Oligarch, is readying a decree imposing possible restrictions on foreign travel for those of draft age – which means anyone from age 25 to 60. Ukrainians may soon be prisoners in their own country – but they aren’t taking it lying down.

Draft resistance is at an all-time high: a mere 6 percent of those called up have reported voluntarily. This has forced the Kiev authorities to go knocking on doors – where they are met either with a mass of angry villagers, who refuse to let them take anyone, or else ghost towns where virtually everyone has fled. In the Transcarpathia region of western Ukraine, entire villages have been emptied, the inhabitants fleeing to Russia to wait out the war – or the fall of the Kiev regime, whichever comes first. "It may seem a paradox," says Transcarpathia’s chief recruitment officer, "but from the western Ukrainian region of Ternopyl people have fled to Russia in order to escape army conscription." The frantic Ukrainian regime is now contemplating conscripting women over 20.

Poroshenko’s military mobilization is due not only to numerous setbacks in the east – Ukrainian troops are being pushed back on all fronts by highly motivated rebels defending their own towns and villages – but also because thousands are deserting, throwing down their arms and fleeing to Russia. In response, the Ukrainian parliament has passed a law authorizing local commanders to shoot deserters on the spot.

With Poroshenko’s war looking like a major disaster, one that could easily topple his EU/US-installed regime, the War Party in the US is turning up the heat, demanding that Washington provide Kiev with arms. Sen. John McCain is – naturally – leading the charge, but prominent liberals are also in the front ranks, with leading scholars of the Brookings Institution recently calling for heavy weapons to be sent. That provoked a response from a dissident within Brookings, former State Department official Jeremy Shapiro, who argues that the Ukrainian conflict is a civil war that cannot have a military solution, and is more than likely to provoke a dangerous military confrontation with Russia.

The Obama administration is under considerable pressure from within the President’s own party to start arming the Ukrainian army, but America’s European allies are reluctant to let this war go on much longer, especially now that their sock puppet Poroshenko is increasingly unpopular. With protests erupting all over western Ukraine, Germany’s Angela Merkel is openly opposing escalation of the war. She made that clear at a recent conference in Munich, where Merkel spoke after returning from talks with Russia’s Vladimir Putin and French President Francois Hollande. Meanwhile, on the sidelines, McCain was telling reporters: "If we had provided Ukraine with weapons they wouldn’t have had to use cluster bombs."

They don’t call him "Mad John" for nothing.

The United States is providing the Kiev regime with military training, and we already have American boots on the ground there, ostensibly to "strengthen the rule of law." What that means in practice is that we are bolstering a government that has declared war on its own people, and is rapidly closing off all legal means of dissent – charging political opponents with "treason," banning political parties, and unleashing ultra-nationalist mobs on anyone who dares dissent. While the US State Department regularly canoodles with Russian "dissidents" who defile Orthodox churches and bare their breasts for the Western cameras, you won’t hear Marie Harf so much as mention Ruslan Kotsaba’s name. As far as I know, the Global Post is the only Western media outlet that has noted his existence – and I’ve not seen a single mention in English about his arrest.

Ukraine is a tripwire that could easily set off World War III – and US provocations are edging closer to that by the day. The crisis was initiated by Washington’s regime-change campaign which succeeded in violently overthrowing elected President Viktor Yanukovych, whose electoral victory was made possible by the criminal incompetence and outright thievery of his predecessor, US-supported Viktor Yushchenko. The so-called "Orange Revolution" led to economic chaos, rampant corruption, and the unleashing of a virulent nationalist current that has culminated in the rise of open neo-Nazis taking seats in the Ukrainian parliament. We are seeing its openly fascistic culmination in the current gang lording over Kiev.

All this was done in the name of sticking a finger in Vladimir Putin’s eye, whose great sin has been kicking out thieving oligarchs and opposing US pretensions to global hegemony. Washington’s ultimate goal is regime-change in the Kremlin, and the reinstallation of a Yeltsin-like sock puppet who, when Washington says "Jump!", will answer: "How high?"

That they’re willing to risk World War III in order to achieve their goal underscores the sheer craziness of US foreign policy. The latest official US "National Security Strategy" puts the new cold war at the center of Washington’s military-diplomatic vision – an emphasis so monstrously misplaced that it’s hard to believe they’re serious. Yet you had better believe it: this is what we can expect from a future Democratic administration, if one should come to pass, with Hillary Clinton taking her husband’s Slavophobia – remember the Kosovo war? – to new heights of unreason.

The US has no business interfering in Ukraine’s civil war, and no legitimate security interest in the question of who gets to administer Crimea – which has been Russian since the days of Catherine the Great. The idea that we are going to confront Russia over this issue is dangerous nonsense – and, unfortunately, it is just the sort of nonsense politicians of both parties find hard to resist.

There are even some ostensible "libertarians" who can’t resist the temptation to refight the cold war, notably the voluble and well-placed NATO-tarian faction of "Students for Liberty" (SFL), who denounced Ron Paul for his supposedly "pro-Putin" (i.e. anti-interventionist) statements on Ukraine. Ron is appearing at their upcoming "International Conference," with several of the loudest NATO-tarians in attendance: one hopes he’ll give them a good talking to, although perhaps a spanking is more appropriate for these noisy brats. These juvenile blatherskites claim "Compelling arguments can be made for both advocates of globalist and noninterventionist foreign policy positions," but aver that "Ron Paul has crossed the line." It is they who have crossed the line: no libertarian is or can be an advocate of a "globalist" foreign policy – because conquering the globe is, you know, a statist thing.

Of course now that Ukraine – where SFL held a conference – is jailing draft-resisters and clamping down on all dissent, we don’t hear a peep from these adolescent cold warriors. They talk a lot about "liberty," but not in places where it can get them into trouble.

The main danger to liberty and peace in the world isn’t in the Kremlin, or Peking, or North Korea – it’s right here in these United States of America, in the global epicenter of evil otherwise known as Washington, D.C. This, our "libertarian internationalists" claim, is vulgar "anti-Americanism," but these foreigners have little conception of what true Americanism is all about. The Founding Fathers of this country are rolling in their graves as the usurpers in Washington sully the good name of America with the blood of innocents worldwide and defile the Constitution in the process. True Americanism means opposing these monsters as they rampage over the earth and destroy our civil liberties at home – not dutifully echoing their rationalizations for endless wars of aggression.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-02-10/ukrainians-rage-against-military-draft-were-sick-war

mick silver
10th February 2015, 07:34 PM
if this war does not end something real bad going to come from it . I shake my head at the fools in this government we do not need to stir the pot around the world any longer they so called wars have killed millions I would say it time this country learn to take care of are own and the time is here

Horn
10th February 2015, 10:13 PM
New violence in Ukraine diminishes hopes before four-way summit



Representatives of the "Contact Group" meeting in Belarus on theUkraine crisis denied a report by Russia's TASS news agency that a ceasefire deal had been reached in talks in Minsk. Rebel representative Denis Pushilin told Russian channel Rossiya24 it was too early to talk of any agreements and said the sides were taking a break.
European officials say it is difficult to imagine the rebels agreeing to halt and go back to earlier positions after weeks during which they have been advancing relentlessly.

A Russian source quoted by the state RIA news agency said there were no plans to sign a document to resolve the conflict at the peace talks, and the main subject would be creation of a demilitarized zone.

The war and years of endemic corruption have nearly bankrupted Ukraine, where the currency collapsed last week. Ukraineis negotiating a rescue package with the International Monetary Fund and sources said that could be expanded dramatically to provide as much as $40 billion in aid.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/02/10/us-ukraine-crisis-idUSKBN0LE1GL20150210

singular_me
11th February 2015, 05:21 AM
Russia Warns U.S. Arming Ukraine Will Be Considered an Act of War
http://www.prisonplanet.com/russia-warns-u-s-arming-ukraine-will-be-considered-an-act-of-war.html

http://www.davidicke.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/get-attachment-210-587x381.jpg


The world is now on the cusp of total war. This is the claim made by former Assistant Secretary of the Treasury Paul Craig Roberts in arecent editorial. And though doom predictions are quite popular given what’s going on in the world as of late, to disregard Roberts’ assessment as fear-mongering or hype would be short-sighted and dangerous.

No, this time is not different, and if political leaders around the world, especially in the United States, Russia and Europe, don’t come to an agreement on the future of Ukraine then it is only a matter of time before we eventually cross the line into a scenario from which there is no return – for all we know, we may have already crossed it at this point.’
http://www.shtfplan.com/headline-news/report-white-house-preparing-military-response-if-diplomacy-with-russia-fails-lethal-defensive-weapons-and-other-options-being-examined_02092015

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‘Britain reserves the right to arm Ukraine and will not allow the Ukrainian army to collapse, Foreign Secretary Philip Hammond told parliament on Tuesday.

“It’s a national decision for each country in the NATO alliance to decide whether to supply lethal aid to Ukraine,” he said in a statement to MPs.

“The UK is not planning to do so but we reserve the right to keep this position under review,” he said.’

http://www.france24.com/en/20150210-britain-reserves-right-arm-ukraine-minister/

Hatha Sunahara
11th February 2015, 11:09 AM
It's total bullshit for the illegitimate government that seized power in a coup and used vote fraud to legitimize themselves to call the separatists declaration of their own nation 'unlawful'. At least there are some Ukrainians who aren't dumbed down like Americans who can see through that bullshit. I wouldn't doubt that the vast majority of Ukrainians by now are ready to toss that junta out.


Hatha

Hatha Sunahara
11th February 2015, 11:12 AM
Russia Warns U.S. Arming Ukraine Will Be Considered an Act of War
http://www.prisonplanet.com/russia-warns-u-s-arming-ukraine-will-be-considered-an-act-of-war.html

http://www.davidicke.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/get-attachment-210-587x381.jpg


The world is now on the cusp of total war. This is the claim made by former Assistant Secretary of the Treasury Paul Craig Roberts in arecent editorial. And though doom predictions are quite popular given what’s going on in the world as of late, to disregard Roberts’ assessment as fear-mongering or hype would be short-sighted and dangerous.

No, this time is not different, and if political leaders around the world, especially in the United States, Russia and Europe, don’t come to an agreement on the future of Ukraine then it is only a matter of time before we eventually cross the line into a scenario from which there is no return – for all we know, we may have already crossed it at this point.’
http://www.shtfplan.com/headline-news/report-white-house-preparing-military-response-if-diplomacy-with-russia-fails-lethal-defensive-weapons-and-other-options-being-examined_02092015

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‘Britain reserves the right to arm Ukraine and will not allow the Ukrainian army to collapse, Foreign Secretary Philip Hammond told parliament on Tuesday.

“It’s a national decision for each country in the NATO alliance to decide whether to supply lethal aid to Ukraine,” he said in a statement to MPs.

“The UK is not planning to do so but we reserve the right to keep this position under review,” he said.’

http://www.france24.com/en/20150210-britain-reserves-right-arm-ukraine-minister/

The only military response that might have a chance of being effective is nuclear war. So which is it? Stupid? Or Crazy? Or both? Or maybe nobody in the US can tell?



Hatha

Hatha Sunahara
11th February 2015, 11:19 AM
Here's the real problem the Russians have:


Moscow’s Problem: Dealing with Imbeciles and Vassals

By Finian Cunningham

February 10, 2015 "ICH (http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/)" - "SCF (http://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2015/02/10/moscow-problem-dealing-with-imbeciles-and-vassals.html)"- - Russia is in a dilemma. How can it work through a peaceful settlement over the Ukraine conflict – and avoid a wider, more terrible war – when it is having to communicate with imbeciles and vassals? We are referring to the American and European leaders, respectively.

The problem of trying to have a conversation with imbeciles is that they are simply incapable of understanding anything outside of their obtuse reality. They suffer from cognitive dissonance and are proud of it. In fact, the more cognitively dysfunctional, the more the imbecile is celebrated as being strong. Imbeciles cannot be enlightened; their ignorant and boorish way of looking at the world is impervious to any different, even more correct perspective. Indeed, they have a visceral aversion to correction, which only retrenches their imbecility all the more.
The problem in dealing with vassals is that they are powerless to change course – even if they have a residual ability to think independently and to recognise an alternative perspective as being more correct, or at least reasonable.
Thus we have the dilemma facing Russia in its dealings with Washington and its European allies over the Ukraine conflict.
Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov, speaking in Munich last weekend, deplored the lack of European independence in averting Washington’s systematic vandalism of the international order. Lavrov was scoffed at for daring to speak the truth and more so because he used logic and historical evidence to support his argument.
The imbecilic Americans substitute axioms and accusations for rational dialogue. They are guided by their own self-serving propaganda and are deluded by every word of it. And proud of it! God bless America!
US President Barack Obama, who is supposed to be one of the most thoughtful American politicians, evidently can’t think beyond the uniform straitjacket narrative that posits, without a scintilla of evidence, that the conflict in Ukraine as «all Russia’s fault».
Speaking with German Chancellor by his side at the White House this week, Obama said that he was considering sending lethal weapons to the Kiev regime «to help Ukraine bolster its defences in the face of separatist aggression». Obama accused Russia of fuelling the conflict and of trying to violate Ukraine’s territorial integrity «down the barrel of a gun».
Reality check. Ethnic Russians are being killed in their homes, basements, schools and streets, by the Western-backed Kiev regime, which launched a gratuitous war on eastern Ukraine ten months ago, resulting in over 5,500 dead and more than a million people displaced – and yet Obama condemns the violence as «separatist aggression» and wants to send more deadly weapons to the offenders.
From Obama on down the political ladder, it only gets worse. The Vice President Joe Biden told the security conference in Munich last weekend that «Ukrainians have the right to defend themselves» and so the US should send military support to ward off «Russian aggression».
So, Mr Biden, what about the right of ethnic Russian Ukrainians defending themselves? Are they debarred from doing so? Are they not Ukrainians? Or maybe because they are ethnic Russians that makes them inferior in your view?
America’s top diplomat John Kerry, a supposedly urbane, multilingual cosmopolitan, reiterates the same baseless, brainless accusations against Russia, claiming the latter to be the «biggest threat to Ukraine». Kerry also wants to send weapons to Ukraine to teach Russia a lesson.
Ditto Ashton Carter, the incoming Defence Secretary. Ditto Michel Flournoy, who is tipped to be Defence Secretary if Hillary Clinton wins the 2016 presidency. Ditto Bobby Jindal who is a hot contender for the Republican presidential candidacy. Ditto Republican foreign policy chief Bob Corker. Ditto the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, General Martin Dempsey. Ditto the members of America’s foreign policy establishment at the Brookings Institute and Atlantic Council. Ditto the editorial boards of America’s top media corporations, including the New York Times and Washington Post. All of them unblinkingly repeat the mantra that the Ukraine conflict is due to Russian aggression and that arming the Kiev regime is a swell idea for peace. All of them regurgitate a corny travesty of history which paints Russian President Vladimir Putin as «a mid-20th Century dictator» in the same «expansionist» vein as Adolf Hitler or Benito Mussolini. (Without a whit of understanding that mid-20th Century fascism was fomented as a covert policy of Western capitalist powers to attack the Soviet Union, and resulted in 30 million dead Russians. A policy that continues today in the form of US support for the neo-Nazi regime in Kiev as a destabilising force towards Russia.)
The scary thing about American imbeciles is that they don’t have an inkling that they might be brainwashed. They are Orwellian clones who believe that war is peace, slavery is freedom, and truth is whatever you are told it is.
American politicians attending the Munich Security Conference derided efforts by Germany’s Merkel and French President Francois Hollande to engage Putin in political dialogue over the Ukraine crisis as «bullshit».
The three leaders are proposing to follow up lengthy discussions held in Moscow last weekend with a further meeting in Minsk, the Belarus capital, this week. It’s far from certain that Putin, Merkel and Hollande can achieve a breakthrough to get the Kiev regime to sit down and talk with the pro-Russian separatists in eastern Ukraine. The uncouth Americans are certainly trying their best to scupper dialogue before it is even given a chance to progress.
In contrast to the gung-ho Americans, there is a new consensus among the Europeans that pouring more weapons into Ukraine is no solution, indeed is to be avoided, and that the separatists have reasonable grounds for political autonomy deserving a respectful hearing.
The Europeans, at least publicly, may still adopt the hoary narrative that Russia is destabilising Ukraine covertly with its troops or military support for the separatists. Moscow flatly denies those claims. But at least the Europeans seem to have enough intellectual subtlety to realise that maximalist finger-pointing against Putin is counterproductive and that there might be more than one side to the story.
To her credit, Angela Merkel has stood firm in her opposition to American calls for increasing military involvement in Ukraine. While in Washington this week, she categorically ruled out supporting the idea of sending more weapons into Ukraine. Merkel’s opposition to US proposals has been denounced by leading Republican Senators as «appeasement» of Putin, with asinine analogies to Chamberlain and Hitler at the 1938 Munich conference.
Dealing with American imbeciles is thus impossible. They inhabit a different mental world from most other people. Their world is formed by ahistorical propaganda and a boorish attitude that makes dialogue, reciprocation, or socratic elucidation a dim prospect. Their arrogance and ignorant conceit are obstacles to genuine communication and understanding. It’s all Putin’s fault; it’s all due to those morose Russian hordes; it’s the evil Soviet empire making a comeback. A US-backed regime-change illegal operation in Kiev against an elected government? A US-backed regime waging war on ethnic Russian people in eastern Ukraine? Are you nuts, you Putin-pussy-apologist?
How can you deal with such people? You can’t.
However, the additional problem is that the Europeans are not free to really act on their incipient independent thoughts. It is clear that Merkel and Hollande, and many other European leaders, realise that US plans to flood Ukraine with even more lethal weapons is a woeful idea that potentially could spark World War III. It is clear that many Europeans think US-led sanctions against Russia are not only counterproductive, but actually an unreasonable, hostile policy that is hurting European workers, farmers and economies as much as it is Russia’s.
The problematic fact is that European states are vassals of America. They are not free to act out of line from Washington’s dictate, no matter how ludicrous is the latter. Germany is considered the powerhouse of Europe and the fourth largest economy in the world. Yet, as German political analyst Christof Lehmann reminds us, Germany has never had genuine political independence since the end of the Second World War. It does not have a constitution befitting a modern state, and it continues to be occupied by military forces belonging to the «victorious» American and British allies. «Germany is a de facto colony of the US», says Lehmann. «At any time, under the postwar basic law, American troops can take over the government of Germany, which technically and legally is an occupied state, a vassal state».
The American NSA spying on Chancellor Merkel revealed in 2013 by Edward Snowden is a case in point. More telling is how Merkel did not respond to that gross infringement of German «sovereignty» with the political force that that American violation merited. She meekly accepted the intrusion as a condition of American postwar hegemony.
Lehmann points out how any past moves by Germany to create an independent foreign policy, and one in particular that involves rapprochement with Russia, have been serially vetoed by the US and its British ally. «We saw that under Chancellors Willy Brandt and Gerhard Schroeder, their efforts at adopting a more friendly relation with Russia were sabotaged at every step by Washington and London», says Lehmann.
That is why Merkel deserves much credit for making her bold stand this week against American militarism in Ukraine. Her dissent is highly significant of a potential cleavage in US-European relations. What she is doing is challenging a fundamental red line in Washington: namely, that European states, and Germany especially, cannot, must not, dare to question American hegemony and its longterm policy of hostility towards Russia.
Merkel and Hollande may be finally getting the message from the millions of ordinary EU citizens who deeply object to American warmongering towards Russia at Europe’s expense. But given the tradition of European vassalage to the imbecilic Americans, the chances of a positive breakthrough for peaceful relations remain elusive. European leadership is still a captive of Washington’s clutches. But the disgusted European masses might just be forcing a break in the imbecilic bonds.






http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article40962.htm


Hatha

Horn
11th February 2015, 02:55 PM
I guess Obama was hoping Putin was going to support his man Victor who was in office in 2014?

it only took 3 months of violent street protest, then when Victor mysteriously vanished into Russia.

Its good to be the king, you can vanish like that whenever you feel the need to.

http://gold-silver.us/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=7282&stc=1

http://www.themoscowtimes.com/news/article/russia-refuses-to-extradite-ukraine-s-ousted-president-viktor-yanukovych/515709.html

mick silver
11th February 2015, 05:40 PM
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