Fucking cowards...

[Cebu_4_2]

http://youtu.be/y-0uqFTBclo
http://youtu.be/y-0uqFTBclo

[midnight rambler]

It's the paid vacation lottery.

[TRUTHseekr]

Now, although we can't tell exactly what the cops or suspect were saying, I have to argue that at that last moment he raise his arms to throw a rock(earlier maybe). Looked like he raised them from underhand motion to horizon (to plead them not to fire??)and instantly blasted away. I don't know of many people that can throw a rock with immense speed in underhand other than softball league girls that still have to wind up the arm about 2full rotations before release. Had he done a quick overhand or side arm motion, I would possibly call this justified. I believe cops are either being trained completely wrong about handling such situations or we are getting hordes of trigger happy, rage-roid infested new cadets joining the academies nationwide now days. Saddest part was the story on spanish news network, left behind a family and an inconsolable mother, this wasn't no welfare leech either the spanish news went further in depth with their story. OTBWTB

[Hitch]

Now, although we can't tell exactly what the cops or suspect were saying, I have to argue that at that last moment he raise his arms to throw a rock(earlier maybe). Looked like he raised them from underhand motion to horizon and instantly blasted away. I don't know of many people that can throw a rock with immense speed in underhand other than softball league girls that still have to wind up the arm about 2full rotations before release. Had he done a quick overhand or side arm motion, I would possibly call this justified. I believe cops are either being trained completely wrong about handling such situations or we are getting hordes of trigger happy, rage-roid infested new cadets joining the academies nationwide now days. OTBWTB

You know, cops in England for the longest time, never carried guns.

Police are a constant evolution. They evolve, based upon the needs of the community. When you have maniacs eating people's faces off, beheading folks, yeah, you are going to have some trigger happy cops, ready to go at any moment.

Not saying either or is right. Just stating facts. Look at the bigger picture. Cops are the peons of society. Look bigger for the answers.

[Glass]

the reasons UK police never had guns is because they have no more authority than any other man or woman. If they shot someone they would go through the exact same process as a member of the public. They must be held to the same standard as everyone else. What we are seeing now is that police are being given a different set of rights to everyone else and this is not a good direction to go in. Those rights only exist in statutes, they don't exist in law.

[Hitch]

the reasons UK police never had guns is because they have no more authority than any other man or woman. If they shot someone they would go through the exact same process as a member of the public. They must be held to the same standard as everyone else. What we are seeing now is that police are being given a different set of rights to everyone else and this is not a good direction to go in. Those rights only exist in statutes, they don't exist in law.

I disagree, Glass. Any member of this forum would blast that guy away, if he was throwing rocks at his head, or at his family. Nobody here would "take a chance" and go hand to hand with that maniac.

Nobody. A deadly threat is a deadly threat, period. Whether you are a cop or a normal guy.

[TRUTHseekr]

I disagree, Glass. Any member of this forum would blast that guy away, if he was throwing rocks at his head, or at his family. Nobody here would "take a chance" and go hand to hand with that maniac.

Nobody. A deadly threat is a deadly threat, period. Whether you are a cop or a normal guy.

Will have to respectfully disagree with you here Hitch and agree with Glass. As a child growing up with Mexican grandparents and Italian father, both sides of my family taught me high tolerance of others imposing a threat even if it may seem naive, even Mexican LEOs don't bother with killing for throwing rocks, they know the towns people would hunt them down(let's not confuse this with the atrocities they will commit upon citizens if they are given the green light by corrupt politicians though). And naive I'd rather be and take the chance of being seriously injured or killed by a possible psycho on the streets, but unless I see him lunging at me with a sharp object or pointing a pistol, I'll take the chance of dukeing it out mano e mano, good ole fist fight to reduce the threat (if nobody else is there), than to kill him and live knowing that I shot him full of lead asap. If I die due to my poor decision then I shall leave this earth with a bit more of a clear conscience and let God be my judge.

[Dogman]

Will have to respectfully disagree with you here Hitch and agree with Glass. As a child growing up with Mexican grandparents and Italian father, both sides of my family taught me high tolerance of others imposing a threat even if it may seem naive, even Mexican LEOs don't bother with killing for throwing rocks, they know the towns people would hunt them down(let's not confuse this with the atrocities they will commit upon citizens if they are given the green light by corrupt politicians though). An naive I'd rather be and take the chance of being seriously injured or killed by a possible psycho on the streets, but unless I see him lunging at me with a sharp object or pointing a pistol, I'll take the chance of duking it out mano e mano, good ole fist fight to reduce the threat (if nobody else is there), than to kill him and live knowing that I shot him full of lead asap. If I die due to my poor decision then I shall leave this earth with a bit more of a clear conscience and let God be my judge.

I tried to say close to the same on another thread.

I agree.

[midnight rambler]

Hey Hitch, check this out: I was in Cancun visiting my cousin. As I was sitting in his parked SUV while his wife was running an errand a couple of cops took an apparent shoplifter into custody and put him in the pack of a police pickup truck COMPLETELY UNRESTRAINED, no handcuffs, no cage in the back of the truck, NOTHING to prevent the guy from escaping if he were to decide to bolt. I was completely baffled and asked my cousin, "Why are the cops so lax when they arrest someone like that??" He replied, "'Cause the guy being arrested knows if he tries to escape they will chase him down and when they catch him they will beat the shit out of him. THAT is what keeps him from trying to escape."

How's that for a contrast?

[Glass]

I disagree, Glass. Any member of this forum would blast that guy away, if he was throwing rocks at his head, or at his family. Nobody here would "take a chance" and go hand to hand with that maniac.

Nobody. A deadly threat is a deadly threat, period. Whether you are a cop or a normal guy.

I never said anything about blasting the guy away or whether it was the right or wrong thing. I was commenting on the police in UK and guns. I think that there was a time in the US when cops didn't carry guns either. Anyone remember? Like in New York. Was a long time ago I'll admit but I'm pretty sure there was a time.

The issue with the police is they were given self investigative powers. Never going to find crimes they commit that way.

[Dogman]

I never said anything about blasting the guy away or whether it was the right or wrong thing. I was commenting on the police in UK and guns. I think that there was a time in the US when cops didn't carry guns either. Anyone remember? Like in New York. Was a long time ago I'll admit but I'm pretty sure there was a time.

The issue with the police is they were given self investigative powers. Never going to find crimes they commit that way. LMAO !

Not in my state !

Texas lawmen without guns?

LMFAO !

Thanks Glass for the hoot !

But I am only speaking for my state/area and it may not apply to other states/city's.

[TRUTHseekr]

........I think that there was a time in the US when cops didn't carry guns either. Anyone remember? Like in New York. Was a long time ago I'll admit but I'm pretty sure there was a time.......The issue with the police is they were given self investigative powers. Never going to find crimes they commit that way.
Yup but then Americans' patriotism seemed to be forgotten and tolerance dried up quickly and Sherrif's/LEO's started arming themselves in the early to mid 1800's especially after the gold rush, then Civil War broke out(but officially required sometime after the war in the late 1880s I remember reading somewhere). And yes as long as police have self investigative power, then they don't really commit crimes that way. I found this article interesting, many countries give adequate warning before lethal force(and not because they have less dangerous ppl either), but not in the land of the free.

Malaysia's public order police, the Federal Reserve Unit, are only allowed to use firearms if the protestors are using firearms, too. The FRU was formed 59 years ago and firearms have never been used.

http://www.businessinsider.com/heres-when-cops-around-the-world-are-allowed-to-use-force-2014-11

this one seems like common sense, why can't the U.S. LEO's tone it down a little?.... "Malaysia's public order police, the Federal Reserve Unit, are only allowed to use firearms if the protestors are using firearms, too. The FRU was formed 59 years ago and firearms have never been used."

[madfranks]

I disagree, Glass. Any member of this forum would blast that guy away, if he was throwing rocks at his head, or at his family. Nobody here would "take a chance" and go hand to hand with that maniac.

Nobody. A deadly threat is a deadly threat, period. Whether you are a cop or a normal guy.

To be honest, if some psycho started throwing rocks at me or my family, I wouldn't engage him at all, we'd just turn around and leave.