Indifference is a power

[General of Darkness]

I really like this.

Indifference is a power As legions of warriors and prisoners can attest, Stoicism is not grim resolve but a way to wrest happiness from adversity by Lary Wallace (http://aeon.co/magazine/author/lary-wallace/) 2,300 words

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We do this to our philosophies. We redraft their contours based on projected shadows, or give them a cartoonish shape like a caricaturist emphasising all the wrong features. This is how Buddhism becomes, in the popular imagination, a doctrine of passivity and even laziness, while Existentialism becomes synonymous with apathy and futile despair. Something similar has happened to Stoicism, which is considered – when considered at all – a philosophy of grim endurance, of carrying on rather than getting over, of tolerating rather than transcending life’s agonies and adversities.


No wonder it’s not more popular. No wonder the Stoic sage, in Western culture, has never obtained the popularity of the Zen master. Even though Stoicism is far more accessible, not only does it lack the exotic mystique of Eastern practice; it’s also regarded as a philosophy of merely breaking even while remaining determinedly impassive. What this attitude ignores is the promise proffered by Stoicism of lasting transcendence and imperturbable tranquility.


It ignores gratitude, too. This is part of the tranquility, because it’s what makes the tranquility possible. Stoicism is, as much as anything, a philosophy of gratitude – and a gratitude, moreover, rugged enough to endure anything. Philosophers who pine for supreme psychological liberation have often failed to realise that they belong to a confederacy that includes the Stoics. ‘According to nature you want to live?’ Friedrich Nietzsche taunts the Stoics in Beyond Good and Evil (1886):

The Rest.

http://aeon.co/magazine/philosophy/why-stoicism-is-one-of-the-best-mind-hacks-ever/

[Jewboo]

...a philosophy of grim endurance, of carrying on rather than getting over, of tolerating rather than transcending life’s agonies and adversities.




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Jew bankers via their media now telling us dumb goyim to be Stoic while they impose their "austerity" programs upon our impoverished societies.

[Hatha Sunahara]

This is refreshing. I have been accused countless times of seeing life from 'the dark side'. People who are imbued with 'false optimism' are as hard for me to understand as I am for them to understand. This piece helps enormously. I've always felt uncomfortable listening to people sing Eric Idol's "Always look on the bright side of life." Is that supposed to make you feel good? How then do you know what's good if you have no conception of what's bad? In my lifetime, I've dealt with some pretty horrible people, bad ones, stupid ones, greedy ones, people with all kinds of character flaws. Had I ignored those character flaws, I would have learned nothing about myself and how to deal with them. Looking at the dark side however has taught me that I cannot change other people's character flaws, so I have learned to treat them with a subtle contempt in the background. I understand Marcus Aurelius with no trouble whatsoever.


Hatha

[osoab]

Stoicism (http://webstersdictionary1828.com/Home?word=Stoicism)


STOICISM, noun

1. The opinions and maxims of the Stoics.
2. A real or pretended indifference to pleasure or pain; insensibility.



Stoic (http://webstersdictionary1828.com/Home?word=Stoic)


STOIC, noun [Gr., a porch in Athens where the philosopher Zeno taught.] A disciple of the philosopher Zeno, who founded a sect. He taught that men should be free from passion, unmoved by joy or grief, and submit without complaint to the unavoidable necessity by which all things are governed.


The above is from Webster's 1828. Sounds like a stoic enjoys taking it up the ass. Book is right.

[Neuro]

Seeing shit for what it is and not be miserable about it, but deal with it when needed. You may not be able to choose whether you have pain or not, but you can choose if you are going to suffer from it... I think it is a recipe for a good life!

[Neuro]

Stoicism (http://webstersdictionary1828.com/Home?word=Stoicism)




Stoic (http://webstersdictionary1828.com/Home?word=Stoic)

The above is from Webster's 1828. Sounds like a stoic enjoys taking it up the ass. Book is right.
I think you mix Stoics up with homosexuals...

[osoab]

I think you mix Stoics up with homosexuals...


STOIC, noun [Gr., a porch in Athens where the philosopher Zeno taught.] A disciple of the philosopher Zeno, who founded a sect. He taught that men should be free from passion, unmoved by joy or grief, and submit without complaint to the unavoidable necessity by which all things are governed.


Well, they are both taking it up the ass willingly.

I guess you could call stoics a bunch of porch monkeys too. That would be more fitting.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dWdVwt2deY4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dWdVwt2deY4

[Neuro]

Well, they are both taking it up the ass willingly.

I guess you could call stoics a bunch of porch monkeys too. That would be more fitting.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dWdVwt2deY4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dWdVwt2deY4
I don't think stoics generally would hang out at porches either. It is about being indifferent to pain you can't avoid. IOW if you HAVE to take it up the ass, you have only the option of taking it silently or squealing like a pig, which one do you pick? Now if you have the option of not taking it up your arse! The stoic would most likely choose not to, the homosexual most likely would, and with a porch monkey you never know...

[Dogman]

Think there is a term, that methinks is not used much anymore that once was commonalty seen in print and spoken! That sorta fits the theme of this thread very well.


Jaded

(http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=jaded&defid=181529)

The end result of having a steady flow of negative experiences, disappointment, and unfulfillment fed into a person where they get to the point where their anger circuits just sort of burn out and they accept disillusionment.


"The guy just sort of gave up on relationships. Jaded bastard."

https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=jaded

[gunDriller]

"willingness to suffer" - old fashioned human trait.

NOT America's strong suit.

[Neuro]

Think there is a term, that methinks is not used much anymore that once was commonalty seen in print and spoken! That sorta fits the theme of this thread very well.


Jaded

(http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=jaded&defid=181529)

The end result of having a steady flow of negative experiences, disappointment, and unfulfillment fed into a person where they get to the point where their anger circuits just sort of burn out and they accept disillusionment.


"The guy just sort of gave up on relationships. Jaded bastard."

https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=jaded
I think Jaded would be different than stoic. A stoic would still care to do the right thing, just wouldn't invest so much emotionally in his/her life!

[Silver Rocket Bitches!]

Stoicism is about using your energy to change the things directly under your control. If something is out of your control, why spend time trying to change it? We are all born with a nature. We must cultivate it and not lament over things outside of our reach.

Read the Meditations of Marcus Aurelius to gleam insight into the thinking of the Stoics. It's a misunderstood philosophy.


Begin the morning by saying to thyself, I shall meet with the busy-body,
the ungrateful, arrogant, deceitful, envious, unsocial. All thesethings happen to them by reason of their ignorance of what is goodand evil. But I who have seen the nature of the good that it is beautiful,and of the bad that it is ugly, and the nature of him who does wrong,that it is akin to me, not only of the same blood or seed, but thatit participates in the same intelligence and the same portion of thedivinity, I can neither be injured by any of them, for no one canfix on me what is ugly, nor can I be angry with my kinsman, nor hatehim, For we are made for co-operation, like feet, like hands, likeeyelids, like the rows of the upper and lower teeth. To act againstone another then is contrary to nature; and it is acting against one another to be vexed and to turn away.

[Dogman]

I think Jaded would be different than stoic. A stoic would still care to do the right thing, just wouldn't invest so much emotionally in his/her life!

The word imo is in the ballpark , kissing cousins at least ! And maybe helps include or exclude the nature of the thread topic! into a refined definition of the topic.

[singular_me]

everything can be used to do good or evil, neither entirely correct nor wrong... like killing in self defense... or to murder... and everything also has a potential for an error margin. That are Natural Laws.

stoicism has a lot of value, like seeing reality for what it really is. I am sure such a stance would prompt people to quit voting example.

[singular_me]

my search didnt find anywhere that stoics are a bunch of submissives.


http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/Stoicism

also
What did the Stoics believe?

Stoicism originally emerged at quite a volatile period in Greek history, when Athenian city-states were being conquered by foreign empires. It developed as a way of staying sane amid all that chaos. An important part of the therapy of Stoicism was to remind yourself at all times of what you can control and what you can’t. We can’t control geopolitics, we can’t control the weather, we can’t control the economy, we can’t control other people, we can’t even control our own bodies, not entirely anyway. The world is beyond our control. It’s a rough and unpredictable environment that is constantly changing. The only thing we can really control are our own thoughts and beliefs. If we remind ourselves of that, and focus our energy and attention on our own beliefs and opinions, then we can learn to cope wisely with whatever the world throws at us.
- See more at: http://philosophyforlife.org/philosophies-for-life/stoics/#sthash.5cMrhwOU.dpuf


Stoicism was one of the new philosophical movements of the Hellenistic period. The name derives from the porch (stoa poikilê) in the Agora at Athens decorated with mural paintings, where the members of the school congregated, and their lectures were held. Unlike ‘epicurean,’ the sense of the English adjective ‘stoical’ is not utterly misleading with regard to its philosophical origins. The Stoics did, in fact, hold that emotions like fear or envy (or impassioned sexual attachments, or passionate love of anything whatsoever) either were, or arose from, false judgements and that the sage—a person who had attained moral and intellectual perfection—would not undergo them.
The later Stoics of Roman Imperial times, Seneca and Epictetus, emphasise the doctrines (already central to the early Stoics' teachings) that the sage is utterly immune to misfortune and that virtue is sufficient for happiness. Our phrase ‘stoic calm’ perhaps encapsulates the general drift of these claims. It does not, however, hint at the even more radical ethical views which the Stoics defended, e.g. that only the sage is free while all others are slaves, or that all those who are morally vicious are equally so. (For other examples, see Cicero's brief essay ‘Paradoxa Stoicorum’.) Though it seems clear that some Stoics took a kind of perverse joy in advocating views which seem so at odds with common sense, they did not do so simply to shock. Stoic ethics achieves a certain plausibility within the context of their physical theory and psychology, and within the framework of Greek ethical theory as that was handed down to them from Plato and Aristotle. It seems that they were well aware of the mutually interdependent nature of their philosophical views, likening philosophy itself to a living animal in which logic is bones and sinews; ethics and physics, the flesh and the soul respectively (another version reverses this assignment, making ethics the soul). Their views in logic and physics are no less distinctive and interesting than those in ethics itself.
http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/stoicism/

[Jewboo]

stoicism has a lot of value, like seeing reality for what it really is.





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:rolleyes: Goldissima seeing her so-called Reality...ha ha

[singular_me]

keep focus on the OP , Book, debunk stoicsim instead of attacking the messenger :)

additionally I didnt start the thread. We can see the results of endless revolutions that furthered the NWO... passion and optimism are our own enemies, how many gave their trust to the founding fathers ??






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[Shami-Amourae]

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:rolleyes: Goldissima seeing her so-called Reality...ha ha



The whole New Age movement was created to provide a false solution/hope to people who start to become awake to the real world. It's designed purely to keep people chasing shadows rather than the real issues.

If you notice the Establishment's religion has been the Occult, and the New Age was meant as a feel-good bridge to bring the general public into the Occult.

[midnight rambler]

The whole New Age movement was created to provide a false solution/hope to people who start to become awake to the real world. It's designed purely to keep people chasing shadows rather than the real issues.

If you notice the Establishment's religion has been the Occult, and the New Age was meant as a feel-good bridge to bring the general public into the Occult.

It would appear you do not comprehend the esoteric. The wicked gain their power from essentially the same Source as Jesus does (being that it's the very same sort of stuff), it's just that there's a division.

We are in the midst of a contest, and much of the contest revolves around choices (free agency). Choose wisely.

[singular_me]

... I completely disagree with the new age monopoly. Thats the main problem with religions, they give false hope to most people.

rationally acknowledging that ALL religions have embedded their teachings into Numbers shouldnt make anybody a new ager for that particular reason. And people who think otherwise are NWO enhancers.

but arent you on the (positive) transhumanist side?

exactly like somebody who tames his ego becomes fearless... Indifference is a power.

just imagine: indifference to the PTBs... they just would have to find another job






The whole New Age movement was created to provide a false solution/hope to people who start to become awake to the real world. It's designed purely to keep people chasing shadows rather than the real issues.

If you notice the Establishment's religion has been the Occult, and the New Age was meant as a feel-good bridge to bring the general public into the Occult.

[Shami-Amourae]

but arent you on the (positive) transhumanist side?

The people in power want the transhumanist stuff to enslave humanity. They believe that will be inevitable. I want to beat them to it and use the technology to myself, and humanity, if possible.

It's an arms race.

Oh, and I picked the Blue ending in Mass Effect 3.
:p

[General of Darkness]

I'm Stoic to the point of not giving a fuck. And if people don't like that, well fuck you too. :)

[Horn]

One thing stoics can look forward to, is not having to change anything about themselves.

Even after death they can remain stoic.

[singular_me]

I got that shami... but I think darwin is a 2000 plus years failure

ooops by the way, ALL religions are occult in essence as they ALL are sun worship in disguise. Even week's days have been named after planets according to astrology... sunday, the day of the sun.




The people in power want the transhumanist stuff to enslave humanity. They believe that will be inevitable. I want to beat them to it and use the technology to myself, and humanity, if possible.

It's an arms race.

Oh, and I picked the Blue ending in Mass Effect 3.
:p........... If you notice the Establishment's religion has been the Occult, and the New Age was meant as a feel-good bridge to bring the general public into the Occult.

[Silver Rocket Bitches!]

There is nothing new-age about Stoicism. It's a ancient philosophy that was practiced by most Romans until Christianity came along.

[Horn]

There is nothing new-age about Stoicism. It's a ancient philosophy that was practiced by most Romans until Christianity came along.

I'm not sure how "new age" term even entered the thread, but yes the term itself "new age" seems to apply to anything that could possibly turn people away from judeo-christianity. New age itself remains rather undefined.

Folks on here claim an "occult" religion is the establishment's, are the same ones telling us their adopted religion is judaeism. Some juxtaposers going on there, amongst the godless.

[singular_me]

you nail it, judeo-christians/atheists/agnostics alike call new age anything that doesnt comply with their belief system... NWO experiment running deep.

The main issue with the New Age movement is that it spreads concepts inspired by the Law of Attractions that aren't always correct and condone to reject any negative thoughts invading Subjective Reality, hence Objective Reality isn't dealt with but rather associated with troubles and bad karma, in short instills fear. And the fear component is essential to any dogmatic approach: one just has to meditate to attract happiness and become successful, and this represents the major pitfall of the very much hyped mainstream New Age movement if any, and which is reminiscent of the Hippie era, the use of drugs being replaced with 'positive thinking'.

Stoics are very lucid and aware of emotions being able to misguide them.



I'm not sure how "new age" term even entered the thread, but yes the term itself "new age" seems to apply to anything that could possibly turn people away from judeo-christianity. New age itself remains rather undefined.

Folks on here claim an "occult" religion is the establishment's, are the same ones telling us their adopted religion is judaeism. Some juxtaposers going on there, amongst the godless.

[Horn]

The people in power want the transhumanist stuff to enslave humanity. They believe that will be inevitable. I want to beat them to it and use the technology to myself, and humanity, if possible.

It's an arms race.

Oh, and I picked the Blue ending in Mass Effect 3.
:p

How many colored ending choices are there, I'm guessing 3 red white and blue?