Sale of most new handguns now banned in the land of fruits & nuts

[midnight rambler]

Court (judge appointed by 0bombya, further proof we are dealing with 'true believers' in the religion of the collectivist state and the Republic is the house no one lives in) upholds microstamping requirement for the sale of new handguns (many manufacturers refuse to comply with this nonsense) -

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-02-27/california-gun-microstamping-law-is-upheld-by-federal-judge

[Twisted Titan]

The law barring sales of handguns without the microstamping technology doesn’t violate the Constitution’s Second Amendment because gun owners don’t have a right to buy specific types of firearms, U.S. District Judge Kimberly Mueller in Sacramento said in her ruling.“




Plaintiffs insist they have the right to determine the precise way in which they would exercise their Second Amendment rights,” Mueller said. The insistence upon particular handguns falls “outside the scope of the right to bear arms,” she said.



Just further proof that the zionist littered courts are a absolute joke.

Its not ment to deter crime.

It was ment to expand more crime on the law abiding public.

Pre microstamping guns will be in wicked demand.

Another fine job by The Halfrican's court appointed lackeys.

[midnight rambler]

Only a moron would buy a new handgun meeting the microstamping requirement from a FFL in Calfornicate from now on.

I predict there will be a LOT of 'used, like new' handguns listed on the auction sites. lol

[Shami-Amourae]

I wish the few of you on this forum still in California would get out. It's not getting better.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eHz7Alif-8M


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5P_9ucaDit0

[madfranks]

I predict that most handgun manufacturers will just write off California completely. Instead of purchasing all the machinery required to manufacture microstamping firearms, they'll just stop selling in CA.

[midnight rambler]

Objections

The SAAMI trade group raises these objections:


Unscrupulous individuals could collect discarded brass from a firing range and salt crime scenes with microstamped cases, thereby providing false evidence against innocent people and increasing the workload for investigators.[13] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microstamping#cite_note-saami-13)
Firing a large number of rounds will wear down the microstamp.[13] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microstamping#cite_note-saami-13)
Microstamping is an immature, sole source technology, and has not been subjected to sufficient independent testing. Transfer of microstamped marks to the cases is less reliable than proponents claim.[13] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microstamping#cite_note-saami-13)
High costs for testing the efficacy of the technique must be passed on to customers, increasing the cost of firearms for those who obtain them legally.[13] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microstamping#cite_note-saami-13)
Guns manufactured before an effective date are exempt and the bill does not extend to guns outside of California. There's no possibility that this bill would ever cover enough guns to provide the investigative advantage claimed for it by the proponents.[13] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microstamping#cite_note-saami-13)

Specific to California, the chief of the Oakland Police Department (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oakland_Police_Department) says:


Firearms sold to law-enforcement are exempt. Problems could arise if a police officer's firearm is used in a crime or stolen, and the fact that a firearm is "unsafe" if not provided with stamping technology exposes the police to liability.[14] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microstamping#cite_note-oakland-14)

Most firearms used in crime are stolen or purchased in the secondary market.[15] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microstamping#cite_note-15)


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[Shami-Amourae]

I noticed years ago that California blocked all Generation 4 Glocks. You can only get Generation 3 or older. Newer Glocks like the Glock 42 are blocked entirely since there's only Generation 4 versions of those.

[Hitch]

Said the stamping is on the cartridges not bullets. What about just replacing the firing pin? Wouldn't that get rid of the stamping?

[EE_]

Said the stamping is on the cartridges not bullets. What about just replacing the firing pin? Wouldn't that get rid of the stamping?

That might be like putting an auto-sear in a semi-auto rifle. A federal offense if caught.

[midnight rambler]

Said the stamping is on the cartridges not bullets. What about just replacing the firing pin? Wouldn't that get rid of the stamping?

Most guns just run better if one polishes certain parts.

[midnight rambler]

I noticed years ago that California blocked all Generation 4 Glocks. You can only get Generation 3 or older. Newer Glocks like the Glock 42 are blocked entirely since there's only Generation 4 versions of those.

I wonder why...is it because Glock didn't want to play their 'get on the certified list' game?

[Shami-Amourae]

I wonder why...is it because Glock didn't want to play their 'get on the certified list' game?

Glocks are Black. I blame racism.

[Shami-Amourae]

There's a lot of tl;dw information here but it seems to cover everything:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XhlkcGeugJY

[midnight rambler]

Glocks are Black. I blame racism.

I'm confused...how can those fighting racism be racist?? ???

[milehi]

You can buy and sell gen 4 Glocks here. I recently sold a gen 4 26.

Edit- Well you could buy a lot of things up until the first of the year with SSE. You can still buy and sell via PPT

In order to purchase a Gen 4 as a civilian, you had to register the gun through the DOJ as a "'single shot". Meaning, only one round can be inserted at a time through the ejection port. The magazine cant feed the next round. So, what participating shops did, is install a 10" barrel they made, that blocks the magazine from being fed. Then they register it. After 10 days when you go to pick it up, YOU have to remove their barrel and reinstall the factory one. After that, its perfectly legal to own and shoot.

[Shami-Amourae]

You can buy and sell gen 4 Glocks here. I recently sold a gen 4 26.

Edit- Well you could buy a lot of things up until the first of the year with SSE. You can still buy and sell via PPT

In order to purchase a Gen 4 as a civilian, you had to register the gun through the DOJ as a "'single shot". Meaning, only one round can be inserted at a time through the ejection port. The magazine cant feed the next round. So, what participating shops did, is install a 10" barrel they made, that blocks the magazine from being fed. Then they register it. After 10 days when you go to pick it up, YOU have to remove their barrel and reinstall the factory one. After that, its perfectly legal to own and shoot.

I believe that loophole was closed in 2015.

[milehi]

I believe that loophole was closed in 2015.

Yes, on the same day long gun registration went into effect. Also new this year in CA, we need a firearm safety card for all firearm purchases. I'm currently looking at property in the PAC NW. Im outta here.

[Hitch]

Yes, on the same day long gun registration went into effect. Also new this year in CA, we need a firearm safety card for all firearm purchases. I'm currently looking at property in the PAC NW. Im outta here.

That firearm safety card is a joke though. Honestly, if you can't pass that test, you are a hazard to everyone around you. I have mixed feelings on this. I don't like firearm regulation, but that test, if you can't pass it you are the dumbest dude out there. It's more annoying because of the added cost.

[milehi]

It's more annoying because of the added cost.

Especially when my current handgun safety card became invalid at the end of the year. The test is the same but with a different name only for more dollars.

[Shami-Amourae]

Yes, on the same day long gun registration went into effect. Also new this year in CA, we need a firearm safety card for all firearm purchases. I'm currently looking at property in the PAC NW. Im outta here.

Good. There's some of us in Idaho and Wyoming if you need contacts. I'd stay clear of Oregon and Washington. Utah is nice but expensive. Montana I don't know much about honestly.

[Shami-Amourae]

That firearm safety card is a joke though. Honestly, if you can't pass that test, you are a hazard to everyone around you. I have mixed feelings on this. I don't like firearm regulation, but that test, if you can't pass it you are the dumbest dude out there. It's more annoying because of the added cost.

Yeah I went to a range that had a deal where you take a class then the test right after. Class was like an hour and then you take the test. Basically everyone got 100% (including myself.) I thought it would be harder.

The test for the Hunting License was actually much harder even though I got 100% on that too. You have to take that to hunt if you were born after 1975. Without the class I wouldn't have done as well. Most of my classmates were 9 to 10 year old kids.

[Hitch]

The test for the Hunting License was actually much harder even though I got 100% on that too. You have to take that to hunt if you were born after 1975. Without the class I wouldn't have done as well. Most of my classmates were 9 to 10 year old kids.

I had to take that hunter's class last year, and I was born in 1973. It was a good class, I got in the 90% range on the test. There was a lot of kids in my class as well. I liked that, gives me hope for the future. :)

[Cebu_4_2]

I 1973. It was a good class

Youngster.

[mick silver]

do the gangs out there also go get there firearm safety card .....................................???????????

[ximmy]

I wish the few of you on this forum still in California would get out. It's not getting better.


Iver heard this before by gun lovers, but that leaves California to the joo parasites. when will the people fight for Cali rather than giving it over. They take one state, then another, then another. Where will you end up running to?

[Cebu_4_2]

Iver heard this before by gun lovers, but that leaves California to the joo parasites. when will the people fight for Cali rather than giving it over. They take one state, then another, then another. Where will you end up running to?

Not California. This will be a tipping post.

[Shami-Amourae]

Iver heard this before by gun lovers, but that leaves California to the joo parasites. when will the people fight for Cali rather than giving it over. They take one state, then another, then another. Where will you end up running to?

The White population is dropping everywhere period. White people need to regroup in order to survive. Staying separate will mean we can be picked off easily.

[Horn]

Cant fight a red tide ximmy, head for the hills and wait for it to recede.

History always shows a recession.

[gunDriller]

I predict that most handgun manufacturers will just write off California completely. Instead of purchasing all the machinery required to manufacture microstamping firearms, they'll just stop selling in CA.

I think one of the responses to this situation will be electronic guns.

There are sort of some overlapping things there.

E. Gun #1

For me it is natural to use a solenoid to strike a primer, because I have more experience with solenoids than firing pins.


E. Gun #2

On the other hand, TPTB would like the Illusion of Control that an electronic hand-gun MIGHT offer.

For example, they could be made with a GPS, to only operate in certain areas, or hooked up to a smart phone.


It would be interesting to be in the position of a gun manufacturing. Officially showing "respect" for all the control freak laws, but maybe adding some features to that allow people to disable the undesirable control freak features.


I was at a gun show in Oregon this last weekend. ( Bought a rifle with a scope, and a handle. )

The one booth had a LOT of interesting looking semi-automatics, the AK's with 30 round clips, etc. - in the morning.

When I came back in the afternoon, hoping to look at one of the smaller semi-automatics ... none left.

[BrewTech]

Not California. This will be a tipping post.

What, exactly, is a "tipping post"?

[BrewTech]

The one booth had a LOT of interesting looking semi-automatics, the AK's with 30 round clips, etc. - in the morning.



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[EE_]

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[EE_]

What, exactly, is a "tipping post"?

Here's my tip for the post

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