a good reminder that Dogs are not humans

[ximmy]

I love how calm the woman is and is directing others after the attack.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qC0_tSimiZg

Published on Feb 27, 2015
This is my mom when she was viciously attacked by a pit bull last year during the ALS ice bucket challenge. She lived to tell the tale of it and didnt want this released until she was ready.. This should serve as a warning to all pet owners. Unless you are going to take the time to make an animal a pet then it will remain an animal. This was my sister's dog who she only kept to stud out for breeding purposes. she took no time to train him or make him listen. He was a wild dog and she should be ashamed for keeping him out of selfishness and not love.


Horrifying moment pet pit bull launches unprovoked attack on grandmother during a charity ice bucket challenge



Video footage shows Brenda Rigdon of Florida sat in a garden chair nervously gearing up for the ALS charity ice bucket challenge
But as soon as the soaking takes place, a large canine jumps up and bites her hard on the face
Mrs Rigdon was left with stitches running from her lip up her left cheek
Apparently the pit bull, named Kilo, was put down shortly after the incident



Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2977871/Grandma-OK-Horrifying-moment-pet-pit-bull-launches-unprovoked-attack-senior-ice-bucket-challenge.html#ixzz3TNtLkKSa

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/03/03/2648D41A00000578-0-image-a-68_1425402245260.jpg
(http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2977871/Grandma-OK-Horrifying-moment-pet-pit-bull-launches-unprovoked-attack-senior-ice-bucket-challenge.html#ixzz3TNtLkKSa)

[Shami-Amourae]

Animals are not for companionship, they are for exploiting and eating.

http://i4.asntown.net/dog_meat-tsf1.jpg

http://www.chinatoday.com/culture/chinese_cuisine/premier_wen_cooking_1.jpg


http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/02025/china-food_2025767c.jpg

[midnight rambler]

Animals are not for companionship, they are for exploiting and eating.



You're being sarcastic, right?

[Shami-Amourae]

You're being sarcastic, right?

No. I'm serious.

[midnight rambler]

No. I'm serious.

Then you clearly have no idea what you're talking about. That's a very cold perspective.

Sadly, it would appear you were deprived of (long term) healthy relationships with animals as pets* when growing up - which would account for your lack of appreciation for animals as pets, companions, and working/service animals.

*and no, I'm not referring to fish and reptiles

[singular_me]

shami, thats exactly how the NWO regards us - if man doesnt respect the animal kingdom, and nature as a whole, he deserves no better fate.

That's what humans look like more and more
https://images.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.peta.org%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2Fgallery%2Fchickens-used-for-food%2Fchickens2.jpg&f=1

[Shami-Amourae]

shami, thats exactly how the NWO regards us - if man doesnt respect the animal kingdom, and nature as a whole, he deserves no better fate.

That's what humans look like more and more


No it's how the rest of the world is. Don't try to guilt me with "muh feelings". It's only White people's Pathological Altruism that has given animals "rights". We are at the top of the food chain.
http://th05.deviantart.net/fs38/300W/f/2008/315/8/c/Simpsons_Food_Chain_by_SpacePlatypus.jpg

Also unless you want to pay $80 for a whole chicken get used to that kind of factory farming like your example above.

Watch:
http://www.ebaumsworld.com/video/watch/809422/

:D

Animal "rights" are a new invention along with vegetarianism that 1st Worlders cling to thinking they have moral superiority since of their abundance of resources where they can be concerned for trivial matters.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l9ijLulwUTY

[Glass]

I think the way in which animals are exploited needs to be questioned. Animals have characters. We don't say animals have souls but they certainly do have souls or something similar.

Animals have been adopted as familiars for a long time. Not all cultures have animals as familiars and some cultures have them as a substitute companion. In many cultures cats and dogs are not familiars but neither are they a source of food. If you go to many asian places, cats and dogs are "just there". They live in the streets or hang around restaraunts or food districts, shanty towns where ever, however they are largely ignored and the local people don't go around petting them. I certainly wouldn't. Not that the animals are agressive but they are feral with all the diseases/bugs that come with that.

The way in which the animals are treated during their lives, not matter what their purpose needs to be considered. intensive farming that causes distress from start to finish does not result in good meat. Extreme stress at death is also considered a bad thing, although it doesn't seem to matter in some cultures.

Dogs are given a severe beating prior to being put down. The reasoning is this release adrenalin and other hot aspects which is common to dog meat.

The animals are here for us, naturally they are going to be eaten. Their treatment doesn't need to be barbaric and their contribution should also no got unappreciated. Some people still say grace or thanks for what they are about to eat. Thanks to the animals and vegetables and to God etc.

And there is no reason they should be abused, not even ridiculous claims that it will cost $80 for a chicken. If all farming was done that way there would be no issue. The price would be the price. It's only a problem when there is a poorer quality $10 chicken that people have an option to purchase.

[Shami-Amourae]

The way in which the animals are treated during their lives, not matter what their purpose needs to be considered. intensive farming that causes distress from start to finish does not result in good meat. Extreme stress at death is also considered a bad thing, although it doesn't seem to matter in some cultures.

I agree with that. It's also important for poor people to be able to eat meat so factory farming is important. I mainly try to eat pastured eggs/chickens and grass-fed beef. That's considered "ethical", but it makes more sense as a predator standpoint for getting good nutrition.

I'm also fine with when people have a literal symbiotic relationship with an animal like a seeing dog for blind people, a hunting dog, or a barnyard cat that eats mice.

People treat their animals like humans though and make them literal welfare recipients. They start to forget they are animals and treat them like people. The animal cannot survive on it's own without human intervention and they have been been genetically perverted for the aesthetic enjoyment of humans. People dress their animals in clothing like humans and do all sorts of retarded shit and the animal usually is traumatized or doesn't understand what the hell is going on. That's what bothers me.

100 years of breeding...
https://dogbehaviorscience.wordpress.com/2012/09/29/100-years-of-breed-improvement/



https://dogbehaviorscience.files.wordpress.com/2012/09/01.jpg?w=582&h=204 (https://dogbehaviorscience.files.wordpress.com/2012/09/01.jpg)

It seems incredible that at one time the Bull Terrier was a handsome, athletic dog. Somewhere along its journey to a mutated skull and thick abdomen the bull terrier also picked up a number of other maladies like supernumerary teeth and compulsive tail-chasing.


https://dogbehaviorscience.files.wordpress.com/2012/09/02.jpg?w=700 (https://dogbehaviorscience.files.wordpress.com/2012/09/02.jpg)

The Basset Hound has gotten lower, has suffered changes to its rear leg structure, has excessive skin, vertebra problems, droopy eyes prone to entropion and ectropion and excessively large ears.



https://dogbehaviorscience.files.wordpress.com/2012/09/03.jpg?w=455&h=181 (https://dogbehaviorscience.files.wordpress.com/2012/09/03.jpg)
A shorter face means a host of problems. The modern Boxer not only has a shorter face but the muzzle is slightly upturned. The boxer – like all bracecyphalic dogs – has difficulty controlling its temperature in hot weather, the inability to shed heat places limits on physical performance. It also has one of the highest cancer rates.


https://dogbehaviorscience.files.wordpress.com/2012/09/04.jpg?w=475&h=222 (https://dogbehaviorscience.files.wordpress.com/2012/09/04.jpg)

The English bulldog has come to symbolize all that is wrong with the dog fancy and not without good reason; they suffer from almost every possible disease. A 2004 survey by the Kennel Club found that they die at the median age of 6.25 years (n=180). There really is no such thing as a healthy bulldog. The bulldog’s monstrous proportions make them virtually incapable of mating or birthing without medical intervention.


https://dogbehaviorscience.files.wordpress.com/2012/09/10.jpg?w=700 (https://dogbehaviorscience.files.wordpress.com/2012/09/10.jpg)

The Dachshund used to have functional legs and necks that made sense for their size. Backs and necks have gotten longer, chest jutted forward and legs have shrunk to such proportions that there is barely any clearance between the chest and floor. The dachschund has the highest risk of any breed for intervertebral disc disease which can result in paralysis; they are also prone to achondroplastic related pathologies, PRA and problems with their legs.


https://dogbehaviorscience.files.wordpress.com/2012/09/05.jpg?w=700 (https://dogbehaviorscience.files.wordpress.com/2012/09/05.jpg)

The German Shepherd Dog is also a breed that is routinely mentioned when people talk about ruined breeds; maybe because they used to be awesome. In Dogs of All Nations, the GSD is described as a medium-sized dog (25 kg /55 lb), this is a far cry from the angulated, barrel-chested, sloping back, ataxic (http://youtu.be/T1LjkGP091g), 85-pounders (38 kg) we are used to seeing in the conformation ring. There was a time when the GSD could clear a 2.5 meter (8.5 ft) wall (https://dogbehaviorscience.files.wordpress.com/2012/09/100-years-schutzhund-8f6i-dogs-of-all-nations.jpg); that time is long gone.


https://dogbehaviorscience.files.wordpress.com/2012/09/06.jpg?w=700 (https://dogbehaviorscience.files.wordpress.com/2012/09/06.jpg)

The Pug is another extreme brachycephalic breed and it has all the problems associated with that trait – high blood pressure, heart problems, low oxygenation, difficulty breathing, tendency to overheat, dentition problems, and skin fold dermatitis. The highly desirable double-curl tail is actually a genetic defect, in more serious forms it leads to paralysis.


https://dogbehaviorscience.files.wordpress.com/2012/09/07.jpg?w=700 (https://dogbehaviorscience.files.wordpress.com/2012/09/07.jpg)

Once a noble working dog, the modern St. Bernard has been oversized, had it’s faced squished in, and bred for abundant skin. You will not see this type of dog working, they can’t handle it as they quickly overheat. The diseases include entropion, ectropion, Stockard’s paralysis, hemophilia, osteosarcoma, aphakia, fibrinogen deficiency.

[BrewTech]

I agree with that. It's also important for poor people to be able to eat meat so factory farming is important. I mainly try to eat pastured eggs/chickens and grass-fed beef. That's considered "ethical", but it makes more sense as a predator standpoint for getting good nutrition.

I'm also fine with when people have a literal symbiotic relationship with an animal like a seeing dog for blind people, a hunting dog, or a barnyard cat that eats mice.

People treat their animals like humans though and make them literal welfare recipients. They start to forget they are animals and treat them like people. The animal cannot survive on it's own without human intervention and they have been been genetically perverted for the aesthetic enjoyment of humans. People dress their animals in clothing like humans and do all sorts of retarded shit and the animal usually is traumatized or doesn't understand what the hell is going on. That's what bothers me.

100 years of breeding...
https://dogbehaviorscience.wordpress.com/2012/09/29/100-years-of-breed-improvement/



https://dogbehaviorscience.files.wordpress.com/2012/09/01.jpg?w=582&h=204 (https://dogbehaviorscience.files.wordpress.com/2012/09/01.jpg)

It seems incredible that at one time the Bull Terrier was a handsome, athletic dog. Somewhere along its journey to a mutated skull and thick abdomen the bull terrier also picked up a number of other maladies like supernumerary teeth and compulsive tail-chasing.



https://dogbehaviorscience.files.wordpress.com/2012/09/02.jpg?w=700 (https://dogbehaviorscience.files.wordpress.com/2012/09/02.jpg)


The Basset Hound has gotten lower, has suffered changes to its rear leg structure, has excessive skin, vertebra problems, droopy eyes prone to entropion and ectropion and excessively large ears.



https://dogbehaviorscience.files.wordpress.com/2012/09/03.jpg?w=455&h=181 (https://dogbehaviorscience.files.wordpress.com/2012/09/03.jpg)
A shorter face means a host of problems. The modern Boxer not only has a shorter face but the muzzle is slightly upturned. The boxer – like all bracecyphalic dogs – has difficulty controlling its temperature in hot weather, the inability to shed heat places limits on physical performance. It also has one of the highest cancer rates.



https://dogbehaviorscience.files.wordpress.com/2012/09/04.jpg?w=475&h=222 (https://dogbehaviorscience.files.wordpress.com/2012/09/04.jpg)

The English bulldog has come to symbolize all that is wrong with the dog fancy and not without good reason; they suffer from almost every possible disease. A 2004 survey by the Kennel Club found that they die at the median age of 6.25 years (n=180). There really is no such thing as a healthy bulldog. The bulldog’s monstrous proportions make them virtually incapable of mating or birthing without medical intervention.



https://dogbehaviorscience.files.wordpress.com/2012/09/10.jpg?w=700 (https://dogbehaviorscience.files.wordpress.com/2012/09/10.jpg)

The Dachshund used to have functional legs and necks that made sense for their size. Backs and necks have gotten longer, chest jutted forward and legs have shrunk to such proportions that there is barely any clearance between the chest and floor. The dachschund has the highest risk of any breed for intervertebral disc disease which can result in paralysis; they are also prone to achondroplastic related pathologies, PRA and problems with their legs.



https://dogbehaviorscience.files.wordpress.com/2012/09/05.jpg?w=700 (https://dogbehaviorscience.files.wordpress.com/2012/09/05.jpg)

The German Shepherd Dog is also a breed that is routinely mentioned when people talk about ruined breeds; maybe because they used to be awesome. In Dogs of All Nations, the GSD is described as a medium-sized dog (25 kg /55 lb), this is a far cry from the angulated, barrel-chested, sloping back, ataxic (http://youtu.be/T1LjkGP091g), 85-pounders (38 kg) we are used to seeing in the conformation ring. There was a time when the GSD could clear a 2.5 meter (8.5 ft) wall (https://dogbehaviorscience.files.wordpress.com/2012/09/100-years-schutzhund-8f6i-dogs-of-all-nations.jpg); that time is long gone.



https://dogbehaviorscience.files.wordpress.com/2012/09/06.jpg?w=700 (https://dogbehaviorscience.files.wordpress.com/2012/09/06.jpg)

The Pug is another extreme brachycephalic breed and it has all the problems associated with that trait – high blood pressure, heart problems, low oxygenation, difficulty breathing, tendency to overheat, dentition problems, and skin fold dermatitis. The highly desirable double-curl tail is actually a genetic defect, in more serious forms it leads to paralysis.



https://dogbehaviorscience.files.wordpress.com/2012/09/07.jpg?w=700 (https://dogbehaviorscience.files.wordpress.com/2012/09/07.jpg)

Once a noble working dog, the modern St. Bernard has been oversized, had it’s faced squished in, and bred for abundant skin. You will not see this type of dog working, they can’t handle it as they quickly overheat. The diseases include entropion, ectropion, Stockard’s paralysis, hemophilia, osteosarcoma, aphakia, fibrinogen deficiency.



Dude... I respect your opinion about a lot of things, but I'm starting to notice a marked disconnection from your own humanity. Check it, seriously.

[Shami-Amourae]

Dude... I respect your opinion about a lot of things, but I'm starting to notice a marked disconnection from your own humanity. Check it, seriously.

I genuinely question everything. I don't like to follow the herd.

My view on animals is more common than you think, but it's not popular in the West.

[Glass]

People treat their animals like humans though and make them literal welfare recipients. They start to forget they are animals and treat them like people. The animal cannot survive on it's own without human intervention and they have been been genetically perverted for the aesthetic enjoyment of humans. People dress their animals in clothing like humans and do all sorts of retarded shit and the animal usually is traumatized or doesn't understand what the hell is going on. That's what bothers me.

I was leaving a super market the other day and there is a large pet store there. 2 lots of women bumped into each other and started doing the girly squealing thing. Women in the 40's and 60's making teenage girl noises. One of them had a small small dog. Not sure what it was, maybe some kind of chihuahua clone thing. The other lady, mother probably had just bought a little red doggy outfit and they were all squealing about how gorgeous it was and cutsie. I looked at this poor dog and thought my god, what the hell are you people. The dog looked very bewildered. I personally think this is one of the worst things people can do with pets. I have no time for yap yap dogs anyway. Waste of space. perform no useful function. usually neurotic but that is probably due to size and the way they are treated. Could say that domestic cat might not be much better.

[slvrbugjim]

My dog is my best friend my cat just died after 13 years of eating Purina poison that I fed her and never knew about. These are and were great friends of ours. We treated our animals with love and respect and they respected us as well. I have a

Weimaraner (http://www.akc.org/dog-breeds/weimaraner/) after years of Dobermans another great breed. He never leaves my side and is a very kind "person", dog. it is all about how you raise your kid or animal as to how they will become. They were bred so that they would always come back during a hunt of Bear and other animals when they were losing dogs that would hunt so far that they got lost. So the elite in Germany took the short hair pointer and made a dog that would never leave you. So yes this breed will never leave you side ever. http://gold-silver.us/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=7398&stc=1


The only inbreeding in this breed was so far to make them not run away during a hunt and perhaps to extend their ears but that is not supported so far. Give them raw food and they will live 20 plus years

[Glass]

whats wrong with purina?

[Shami-Amourae]

The only inbreeding in this breed was so far to make them not run away during a hunt and perhaps to extend their ears but that is not supported so far. Give them raw food and they will live 20 plus years

If they eat raw meat you won't need to brush their teeth too. They don't develop bad breath either from my knowledge.

[Glass]

the cats been running a fever off and on. Wondering if it is the dry food. hmmm. I don't particularly like dry food and give it only as something for when I am out. He also seems a bit listless

[midnight rambler]

whats wrong with purina?

More like what's good about Purina?

[slvrbugjim]

whats wrong with purina?

Well I could not believe that they would put into cat food chemicals that would make them addicted but it is true

https://www.facebook.com/rejectpurina

http://www.consumeraffairs.com/pets/ralston.html

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/02/24/dog-food-maker-sued-for-allegedly-toxic-chow-but-is-it.html

http://www.city-data.com/forum/rainbow-bridge/148928-dry-food-killed-my-cat.html

[slvrbugjim]

If they eat raw meat you won't need to brush their teeth too. They don't develop bad breath either from my knowledge.

And they will not have most disease but is cost $ to do it so the easiest is to go to Purina at HEB and not worry about it, they killed my cat my friend of 13 years and I am pissed

[Glass]

yea I was just reading those consumer affairs things. It's sold as a premium brand here. Trusting and so on. CRap. It will have to go. I've stocked up quite a bit too.

Any suggestions on alternatives?

I do give the cat fresh raw chicken fairly often but not all the time. Usually a couple small cans per day of chicken or something with liver or some kind of stinky fish. Raw chicken a couple days per week. Really likes it. The cat does have bad breath too I've noticed. I remember one of our old cats was partial to liver. I was also looking at those pet food rolls you can pickup at the super market.

[slvrbugjim]

the cats been running a fever off and on. Wondering if it is the dry food. hmmm. I don't particularly like dry food and give it only as something for when I am out. He also seems a bit listless

Wean your cat on pure meat wet diet if you can, my cat through up all dry food so we had no choice, ulitmately she starved herself to death, I just picked up her body 5 days ago and it was tragic, Purina killed her.

[Shami-Amourae]

yea I was just reading those consumer affairs things. It's sold as a premium brand here. Trusting and so on. CRap. It will have to go. I've stocked up quite a bit too.

Any suggestions on alternatives?

I do give the cat fresh raw chicken fairly often but not all the time. Usually a couple small cans per day of chicken or something with liver or some kind of stinky fish. Raw chicken a couple days per week. Really likes it. The cat does have bad breath too I've noticed. I remember one of our old cats was partial to liver. I was also looking at those pet food rolls you can pickup at the super market.

I've heard pretty much everything sold on this website is legit organic/safe. It should apply to pet food too:
http://www.greenpolkadotbox.com/pet/green-cat.html

This website can give you ideas of brands that may be safe. See if you can score some good deals on Amazon or something.

[slvrbugjim]

yea I was just reading those consumer affairs things. It's sold as a premium brand here. Trusting and so on. CRap. It will have to go. I've stocked up quite a bit too.

Any suggestions on alternatives?

I do give the cat fresh raw chicken fairly often but not all the time. Usually a couple small cans per day of chicken or something with liver or some kind of stinky fish. Raw chicken a couple days per week. Really likes it. The cat does have bad breath too I've noticed. I remember one of our old cats was partial to liver. I was also looking at those pet food rolls you can pickup at the super market.

yes raw is best but cats will starve themselves to death mine did in the transition, so getting them off dry food will save their lives

[Glass]

I think its probably only had dry food since I've been feeding it so about 3 months but reading on that web site your cat can be dead in 6 months or less if you feed it that stuff. Anyway its going in the bin tonight. Hopefully the cat will still be alive when I get home.

Just reading this:

Pet food manufacturers have been accused of using euthanized cats and dogs as inexpensive meat to add to the rendered mix listed as “meat and bone meal”. The FDA conducted a study (http://www.bornfreeusa.org/facts.php?more=1&p=359) where the chemical used in euthanasia was found in dry pet food that contained meat and bone meal. Recently the former president of AAFCO, the American Association of Feed Control Officials admitted on camera (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n4nZKP-h-Bk) that euthanized cats and dogs from shelters and veterinary clinics are commonly used in rendered pet food.

While AAFCO (http://www.aafco.org/) creates guidelines for pet food manufacturers, enforcement is up to each individual state. And if AAFCO considers using euthanized pets in pet food to be acceptable, of what worth are their guidelines to begin with?

http://www.examiner.com/article/how-does-your-cat-food-compare

[slvrbugjim]

yea I was just reading those consumer affairs things. It's sold as a premium brand here. Trusting and so on. CRap. It will have to go. I've stocked up quite a bit too.

Any suggestions on alternatives?

I do give the cat fresh raw chicken fairly often but not all the time. Usually a couple small cans per day of chicken or something with liver or some kind of stinky fish. Raw chicken a couple days per week. Really likes it. The cat does have bad breath too I've noticed. I remember one of our old cats was partial to liver. I was also looking at those pet food rolls you can pickup at the super market.

You are doing the right thing very good for you I wish I would have before, do not give your cat purina or any other brand name cat food that is like a McDonalds Big mac every day that will kill them. Stay off of grains all grains for cats stay on meat only and wet food, raw if they can eat it and you may have a cat that lives beyond 20 years esp if they are not inbred they are to last to 20 years as far as I see.

[midnight rambler]

yea I was just reading those consumer affairs things. It's sold as a premium brand here. Trusting and so on. CRap. It will have to go. I've stocked up quite a bit too.

Any suggestions on alternatives?

I do give the cat fresh raw chicken fairly often but not all the time. Usually a couple small cans per day of chicken or something with liver or some kind of stinky fish. Raw chicken a couple days per week. Really likes it. The cat does have bad breath too I've noticed. I remember one of our old cats was partial to liver. I was also looking at those pet food rolls you can pickup at the super market.

The thing about feeding a raw food diet is that it's not as simple as just feeding them raw meat, any BARF (bones and raw food) diet needs to be appropriately balanced. Gerry Nash of Animal Food Service educated me on pet foods years ago before he retired. Gerry got his start supplying fresh frozen raw meat diets to zoos in the late '60s, which was the bulk of his business, not the pet food market therefore he never developed that market like he could have. Gerry was the pioneer of BARF diet for pets, many other fresh frozen pet food companies ripped him off over the years (they'd contract with him to private label for them, learn the process from him then go do it themselves). Taking what I learned from Gerry I've researched all the fresh frozen raw dog foods commercially available and nothing comes close to AFS (now http://www.vitalessentialsraw.com/). Gerry established a relationship with a packing plant that processes retired grass-fed Wisconsin dairy cattle into hamburger meat. The packing plant would flash freeze the internal organs and bones immediately and then send that product a block down the street to Gerry's facility. Gerry's crew would then grind it/process it in 'popsicle state' then flash freeze it in their packaging. I was buying direct from AFS up until about five years ago when I could afford to do so ($3/lb delivered) for two dogs. At that time AFS had no brick and mortar outlets, they were only doing direct mail order. The new ownership quit doing direct sales and now has distribution. The price locally is at $4/lb., still the best value in fresh frozen raw food. Based on what I learned from Gerry I've chosen to feed my dogs Orijen dry dog food. Acana is another good dry dog food however Acana contains grain and I want to avoid feeding any grain to my dogs.

Glass, I suggest you educate yourself and learn how to read the ingredients of pet food, as in what's desirable and what's not.

[Shami-Amourae]

The thing about feeding a raw food diet is that it's not as simple as just feeding them raw meat, any BARF (bones and raw food) diet needs to be appropriately balanced. Gerry Nash of Animal Food Service educated me on pet foods years ago before he retired. Gerry got his start supplying fresh frozen raw meat diets to zoos in the late '60s, which was the bulk of his business, not the pet food market therefore he never developed that market like he could have. Gerry was the pioneer of BARF diet for pets, many other fresh frozen pet food companies ripped him off over the years (they'd contract with him to private label for them, learn the process from him then go do it themselves). Taking what I learned from Gerry I've researched all the fresh frozen raw dog foods commercially available and nothing comes close to AFS (now http://www.vitalessentialsraw.com/). Gerry established a relationship with a packing plant that processes retired grass-fed Wisconsin dairy cattle into hamburger meat. The packing plant would flash freeze the internal organs and bones immediately and then send that product a block down the street to Gerry's facility. Gerry's crew would then grind it/process it in 'popsicle state' then flash freeze it in their packaging. I was buying direct from AFS up until about five years ago when I could afford to do so ($3/lb delivered) for two dogs. At that time AFS had no brick and mortar outlets, they were only doing direct mail order. The new ownership quit doing direct sales and now has distribution. The price locally is at $4/lb., still the best value in fresh frozen raw food. Based on what I learned from Gerry I've chosen to feed my dogs Orijen dry dog food. Acana is another good dry dog food however Acana contains grain and I want to avoid feeding any grain to my dogs.

Glass, I suggest you educate yourself and learn how to read the ingredients of pet food, as in what's desirable and what's not.

This looks legit:
http://www.texasgrassfedbeef.com/grass-fed-pet-food-bones/beef-dog-and-cat-food

http://www.texasgrassfedbeef.com/meat-store/products/category/grass-fed-pet-food-bones


Our premium pet food is meat trimmings from all the various beef cuts, some liver, plus a fat that is coarsely ground into a highly nutritious mix that is approximately 10% fat (90% lean). There is absolutely no grain, vegetable fillers, or potatoes -- just 100% grass-fed beef. It is a complete food for dogs or cats. Supplements are not recommended unless it's table scraps from 100% Paleo meals.

http://www.texasgrassfedbeef.com/sites/default/files/products/slp/64%20Pet%20Food.jpg

[Glass]

Wean your cat on pure meat wet diet if you can, my cat through up all dry food so we had no choice, ulitmately she starved herself to death, I just picked up her body 5 days ago and it was tragic, Purina killed her.

sorry to hear about your cat. Very sad. I have had cats last longer than 15 years (- shared cats) and in the end it's usually kidney failure probably bought on by the dry food. Thats why I try and keep it to a minimum and go the wet food. This particular cat is another great animal. Smart and very polite. I feel bad thinking I might be making him sick. Anyway we fix it today.

The link I put up a couple posts ago has a long list of dry foods listed from worst to best. I printed out the best and will be going to the big pet store to see what I can find. Got to talk to the butcher as well and see what he can do for me. I think he should be able to score me some livers and so on. I get the chook/chicken from him already.

I know this thread went OT but it was worth it IMO.

[midnight rambler]

This looks legit:
http://www.texasgrassfedbeef.com/grass-fed-pet-food-bones/beef-dog-and-cat-food

http://www.texasgrassfedbeef.com/meat-store/products/category/grass-fed-pet-food-bones


Not impressed. They are as vague as possible: "some liver" and "more organ meat".

Contrast their ingredient list with this:

http://static.wixstatic.com/media/966700_fda7058a85ef40d7b6245df322e01280.png_srz_p_ 661_450_75_22_0.50_1.20_0.00_png_srz

In my conversations with Gerry Nash he was very explicit in his description to me, i.e. "We only use internal organs and bones, the only muscle that gets into the mix is that which is left on the bones we get". Muscle meat just doesn't have the vitamins and enzymes that organ meat does. Based on what I know about Vital Essentials Raw I'm relatively certain that they've largely retained the AFS model.

I haven't priced Vital Essentials Raw locally recently, however the last time I checked the price of the chubs was $4/lb. which is cheaper than the source you referenced.

[Hitch]

This is a tough story to read about, and I almost didn't watch the video. Personally, I think dogs are great companions. My parents dog I've really connected with, and he goes crazy when I visit, jumping all over the place. What a great way to get greeted.

With pit bulls I'm a bit leary though. Not so much the dog, but the owner. When I see a pit bull I just think I hope he has a good owner. Those dogs need a good owner/trainer more so than other dogs, I think.

If I ever end up on land I can stretch out on, I would get Irish Wolfhounds. 2 of them.

Sorry to hear of the loss of the cat, slvrjim, cats are good pals too.

[midnight rambler]

Regarding the dog in the OP -

It is widely accepted that what one ultimately ends up with in the temperament, intelligence, behavior, etc. in an adult dog breaks down like this:

35-50% of the make-up of an adult dog is the result of genetics and 50-65% is the result of training, management, and nutrition; the later is passed on via genetics.

So the owner of the dog in the OP is a moron.

[singular_me]

No it's how the rest of the world is. Don't try to guilt me with "muh feelings". It's only White people's Pathological Altruism that has given animals "rights". We are at the top of the food chain.

well I recall your posting on which you mentioned your disdain for human flesh as you look forward to becoming cyborg.



Also unless you want to pay $80 for a whole chicken get used to that kind of factory farming like your example above. It's also important for poor people to be able to eat meat so factory farming is important.


you are confusing apples and oranges... thats fiat money inflation and monopoly side effects... poor people are mainly the consequence of central banking.

you are also confusing respect for life which comes from the heart with law enforcement/enforced empathy that turns altruism into an evil machine.

I have no problem with knowing that millions of animals are slaughtered daily, but they should have a better quality of life when raised. Eating the flesh of suffering/highly stressed animals (which are also given any kind of chemicals to STAY alive until the slaughter) is very unhealthy ...are you aware of that?


We are world apart, because when I even used to be in favor of transhumanism, I had the same deep respect for life that I have now. Your existential values (planet = Factory Inc) are very scary as they are similar to that of the NWO

[EE_]

I agree with that. It's also important for poor people to be able to eat meat so factory farming is important. I mainly try to eat pastured eggs/chickens and grass-fed beef. That's considered "ethical", but it makes more sense as a predator standpoint for getting good nutrition.

I'm also fine with when people have a literal symbiotic relationship with an animal like a seeing dog for blind people, a hunting dog, or a barnyard cat that eats mice.

People treat their animals like humans though and make them literal welfare recipients. They start to forget they are animals and treat them like people. The animal cannot survive on it's own without human intervention and they have been been genetically perverted for the aesthetic enjoyment of humans. People dress their animals in clothing like humans and do all sorts of retarded shit and the animal usually is traumatized or doesn't understand what the hell is going on. That's what bothers me.

100 years of breeding...
https://dogbehaviorscience.wordpress.com/2012/09/29/100-years-of-breed-improvement/



https://dogbehaviorscience.files.wordpress.com/2012/09/01.jpg?w=582&h=204 (https://dogbehaviorscience.files.wordpress.com/2012/09/01.jpg)

It seems incredible that at one time the Bull Terrier was a handsome, athletic dog. Somewhere along its journey to a mutated skull and thick abdomen the bull terrier also picked up a number of other maladies like supernumerary teeth and compulsive tail-chasing.


https://dogbehaviorscience.files.wordpress.com/2012/09/02.jpg?w=700 (https://dogbehaviorscience.files.wordpress.com/2012/09/02.jpg)

The Basset Hound has gotten lower, has suffered changes to its rear leg structure, has excessive skin, vertebra problems, droopy eyes prone to entropion and ectropion and excessively large ears.



https://dogbehaviorscience.files.wordpress.com/2012/09/03.jpg?w=455&h=181 (https://dogbehaviorscience.files.wordpress.com/2012/09/03.jpg)
A shorter face means a host of problems. The modern Boxer not only has a shorter face but the muzzle is slightly upturned. The boxer – like all bracecyphalic dogs – has difficulty controlling its temperature in hot weather, the inability to shed heat places limits on physical performance. It also has one of the highest cancer rates.


https://dogbehaviorscience.files.wordpress.com/2012/09/04.jpg?w=475&h=222 (https://dogbehaviorscience.files.wordpress.com/2012/09/04.jpg)

The English bulldog has come to symbolize all that is wrong with the dog fancy and not without good reason; they suffer from almost every possible disease. A 2004 survey by the Kennel Club found that they die at the median age of 6.25 years (n=180). There really is no such thing as a healthy bulldog. The bulldog’s monstrous proportions make them virtually incapable of mating or birthing without medical intervention.


https://dogbehaviorscience.files.wordpress.com/2012/09/10.jpg?w=700 (https://dogbehaviorscience.files.wordpress.com/2012/09/10.jpg)

The Dachshund used to have functional legs and necks that made sense for their size. Backs and necks have gotten longer, chest jutted forward and legs have shrunk to such proportions that there is barely any clearance between the chest and floor. The dachschund has the highest risk of any breed for intervertebral disc disease which can result in paralysis; they are also prone to achondroplastic related pathologies, PRA and problems with their legs.


https://dogbehaviorscience.files.wordpress.com/2012/09/05.jpg?w=700 (https://dogbehaviorscience.files.wordpress.com/2012/09/05.jpg)

The German Shepherd Dog is also a breed that is routinely mentioned when people talk about ruined breeds; maybe because they used to be awesome. In Dogs of All Nations, the GSD is described as a medium-sized dog (25 kg /55 lb), this is a far cry from the angulated, barrel-chested, sloping back, ataxic (http://youtu.be/T1LjkGP091g), 85-pounders (38 kg) we are used to seeing in the conformation ring. There was a time when the GSD could clear a 2.5 meter (8.5 ft) wall (https://dogbehaviorscience.files.wordpress.com/2012/09/100-years-schutzhund-8f6i-dogs-of-all-nations.jpg); that time is long gone.


https://dogbehaviorscience.files.wordpress.com/2012/09/06.jpg?w=700 (https://dogbehaviorscience.files.wordpress.com/2012/09/06.jpg)

The Pug is another extreme brachycephalic breed and it has all the problems associated with that trait – high blood pressure, heart problems, low oxygenation, difficulty breathing, tendency to overheat, dentition problems, and skin fold dermatitis. The highly desirable double-curl tail is actually a genetic defect, in more serious forms it leads to paralysis.


https://dogbehaviorscience.files.wordpress.com/2012/09/07.jpg?w=700 (https://dogbehaviorscience.files.wordpress.com/2012/09/07.jpg)

Once a noble working dog, the modern St. Bernard has been oversized, had it’s faced squished in, and bred for abundant skin. You will not see this type of dog working, they can’t handle it as they quickly overheat. The diseases include entropion, ectropion, Stockard’s paralysis, hemophilia, osteosarcoma, aphakia, fibrinogen deficiency.


100 years of breeding...
https://behaviorscience.wordpress.com/2012/09/29/100-years-of-breed-destruction/

http://www.mrwallpaper.com/wallpapers/pretty-face-1024x1024.jpg
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/03/03/2648D41A00000578-0-image-a-68_1425402245260.jpg

Once an aesthetically pleasing feminine woman, photo#1, the modern women, photo#2 (aka St. Bernard) has been oversized, had it’s faced squished in, heavily jowled, and is indiscriminantly bred for abundant fatty flesh. You will not see this type of female working, they can’t handle it as they quickly over-eat. Unlike our canine companions this species is completely worthless.
Their diseases include diabetes, hypertension, heart disease, hemorrhoids, welfare dependency and lack of any productivity.

[Horn]

That is some good info. on purebreds, to me the close company of a purebred dog seems torturous.

They live a 1/10th of our lifespan, than spend near death in some laboriously horrific fashion.

[BrewTech]

yea I was just reading those consumer affairs things. It's sold as a premium brand here. Trusting and so on. CRap. It will have to go. I've stocked up quite a bit too.

Any suggestions on alternatives?

I do give the cat fresh raw chicken fairly often but not all the time. Usually a couple small cans per day of chicken or something with liver or some kind of stinky fish. Raw chicken a couple days per week. Really likes it. The cat does have bad breath too I've noticed. I remember one of our old cats was partial to liver. I was also looking at those pet food rolls you can pickup at the super market.

If the cat has bad breath he probably has advanced gum disease. Just took on of my cats to the vet for that. They cleaned his teeth and put him on antibiotics for a week. They recommended doing a bunch of extractions but I passed on that. I've been putting a few drops of colloidal silver in his food every morning and he's been fine. Dental issues can be pretty common in cats. Cats don't normally have bad breath (like dogs... ugh). If they do there is a problem.

[Santa]

I love how calm the woman is and is directing others after the attack.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qC0_tSimiZg



I wonder what provoked that dog into attacking the woman's face like that?

[slvrbugjim]

Not impressed. They are as vague as possible: "some liver" and "more organ meat".

Contrast their ingredient list with this:

http://static.wixstatic.com/media/966700_fda7058a85ef40d7b6245df322e01280.png_srz_p_ 661_450_75_22_0.50_1.20_0.00_png_srz

In my conversations with Gerry Nash he was very explicit in his description to me, i.e. "We only use internal organs and bones, the only muscle that gets into the mix is that which is left on the bones we get". Muscle meat just doesn't have the vitamins and enzymes that organ meat does. Based on what I know about Vital Essentials Raw I'm relatively certain that they've largely retained the AFS model.

I haven't priced Vital Essentials Raw locally recently, however the last time I checked the price of the chubs was $4/lb. which is cheaper than the source you referenced.

This is what I use as well pretty pricey but I think worth it

[singular_me]

She was screaming right before being attacked, maybe dog thought she was a threat to kids


I wonder what provoked that dog into attacking the woman's face like that?

[singular_me]

SHAMI: The animal cannot survive on it's own without human intervention and they have been been genetically perverted for the aesthetic enjoyment of humans. People dress their animals in clothing like humans and do all sorts of retarded shit and the animal usually is traumatized or doesn't understand what the hell is going on. That's what bothers me.

all this are mainly consequences of the "profits, the sky is the limit" mantra, creating new trends to enrich some. the only good thing in your words is that indeed, you show some humanity for the animals treated like that :)

[Shami-Amourae]

I have no problem with knowing that millions of animals are slaughtered daily, but they should have a better quality of life when raised. Eating the flesh of suffering/highly stressed animals (which are also given any kind of chemicals to STAY alive until the slaughter) is very unhealthy ...are you aware of that?

I've mentioned that countless time in the history of this forum and even in this thread.


I agree with that. It's also important for poor people to be able to eat meat so factory farming is important. I mainly try to eat pastured eggs/chickens and grass-fed beef. That's considered "ethical", but it makes more sense as a predator standpoint for getting good nutrition.

[midnight rambler]

She was screaming right before being attacked, maybe dog thought she was a threat to kids

The dog was definitely not trying to protect the kids, an untrained dog like that views children (who don't assert positive control over them, both the child and the dog having been trained to do so) merely as other small animals, NOT as a 'people' who is superior.

Dogs strictly act off of their natural drives and there are several: prey, play, defense, fight, hunt, food, etc. I think her screaming triggered this untrained dog's prey drive. Note that the dog didn't even bark before biting.

Stupid people have stupid dogs, it's as simple as that. The dogs I have and bred are genetically predisposed to be clear-headed (meaning they have good discernment as to what's a real threat and what's not), I then take that further through training and management.

[singular_me]

I think I have read somewhere that this particular breed is quite well known for attacking and biting silently

but you got a serious point.


The dog was definitely not trying to protect the kids, an untrained dog like views children (who don't assert positive control over them, both the child and the dog having been trained to do so) merely as other small animals, NOT as a 'people' who is superior.

Dogs strictly act off of their natural drives and there are several: prey, play, defense, fight, hunt, food, etc. I think her screaming triggered this untrained dog's prey drive. Note that the dog didn't even bark before biting.

Stupid people have stupid dogs, it's as simple as that. The dogs I have and bred are genetically predisposed to be clear-headed (meaning they have good discernment as to what's a real threat and what's not), I then take that further through training and management.

[mick silver]

dogs are more human then about 90 percent of the things they call humans . i know who i want around me if the shtf

[Glass]

seems I've managed to buy nearly all Purina food. The wet food I bought is also purina. They own a lot of brands it seems. The stuff I bought is under another name but there are very small purina logo's on the can. Anyway if I feed the cat raw chicken the stuff just disappears in seconds. Amazing. I think we will go with fresh food for the most part now. I'm suspicious the canned stuff might be making him a little bit hyper like MSG.

I think the cats breath is stinky food breath. He's only young and I think in pretty healthy shape. Will be interested to see if he still gets this temperature.

[midnight rambler]

seems I've managed to buy nearly all Purina food. The wet food I bought is also purina. They own a lot of brands it seems. The stuff I bought is under another name but there are very small purina logo's on the can. Anyway if I feed the cat raw chicken the stuff just disappears in seconds. Amazing. I think we will go with fresh food for the most part now. I'm suspicious the canned stuff might be making him a little bit hyper like MSG.

I think the cats breath is stinky food breath. He's only young and I think in pretty healthy shape. Will be interested to see if he still gets this temperature.

In my conversations with Gerry Nash he warned me to be careful feeding only raw meat, he told me it's crucial to make sure any diet you're feeding has the appropriate calcium/phosphorus ratio*. So I suggest you carefully research for a well balanced BARF diet which could certainly include a DIY homemade blend as well as store bought.

*AFS (now Vital Essentials) finely ground their raw bones to maximize the surface area

[Glass]

thanks. I'm worried about feeding only soft food.

When I search for BARF, I find a Dr B's web site and he sells BARF but it is called Biologically Appropriate Raw Food. It seems to be mostly for dogs but they have a couple products for Cats.

http://www.barfaustralia.com/Products/BARFFlavours/BARFVarieties.aspx