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singular_me
4th March 2015, 07:03 AM
sects become religions when recognized by a government, using the latter for political purposes. Of course in the process, the spiritual knowledge is being deeply subverted to hide the "One and Sole Root" of all spiritual beliefs. Makes sense that the huffigntonpost OP completely ignores the kaballah in the bible and will not link Vedic and buddhist teachings neither...

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There are many esoteric studies and analysis of the Quran. Ibn Arabi did a 4 volume complete analysis, which is deeply mystical, and on par of the Zohar analysis of the OT. These dark vibes coming out of the Islamic world are artifically created and nourished for political purposes. They're not a natural evolution of religious thought. There is no logical argument that can be had and no appeal to a mystical thought.

There are five forces at play here:

1) Saudi Arabia: a country governed by a corrupt family that carries the torch of anti-mysticism, anti-spirituality, strict obedience to most medieval and oppressive form of Islam, while raping the wealth of their people and enjoying the booze and sexual orgies in the Western world. Friends: US and Israel. Enemies: Iran

2) Iran: An anti-Arab country filled with Islamic messianic zeal, deep mysticism, but also a long history of their religious minority being oppressed in the Arab world, sees an opportunity after 1000+ to break through and secure their top. Friends: Russia, Shia'a network. Enemies: Saudi Arabia, Israel, and the US.

3) Israel: Small country with large footprint. Armed to the teeth with nuclear weapons, doesn't play by international conventions on human rights, fascist government, and despite all this still suffers from cultural PTSD. They feel 'threatened' by the barbarians at the gate and will do anything to remove this threat. Problem is they live in the middle of the Barbarians. Friends: USA, Enemies: All Islamic world.

4) US: Reborn Roman Empire with its Pax Americana. Allows its people to go hungry, but at least they've got the Internet and Hollywood, spends its wealth on having the largest army. Doesn't need the Middle East oil, but wants to control it, to block the rise of other competition such as China. Wants complete control of the region politically at any cost. Friends: bought and paid for Arabic governemnts such as Saudi Arabia and natural political ally Israel. Enemies: everyone else not towing the line

5) Arab population: War tired, struggling to survive, lacking sexual freedom and opportunity, and bloody fucking pissed off. Experiencing a case of serious nihilism. Friends: none, Enemies: Everyone else.

Now take those 5 forces put them into a small geographic area. Throw in lots of guns, and nukes, press 'puree', and make sure you throw in the Quran, the Bible, Born Again, Zionism, Mahdism, and overall End of the World eschatology, press '4' on the blender.

Run as fast as your feet can carry you, because that thing is about to blow!

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Islamic Sufism and Jewish Kabbalah: Shining a Light on Their Hidden History

Posted: 10/05/2011
The world's Muslim believers and the Jewish people have significant aspects common to their traditions -- notwithstanding the persistence of conflict in the Middle East. Jews and Arabs both trace their lineage to the monotheistic prophet Abraham (Ibrahim in Arabic). Jews affirm their descent from Isaac, the son of Abraham and his wife Sarah, and Arabs from Ishmael (Ismail), the child of Abraham's Egyptian slave Hagar.

The posterity of Ismail extends, through affiliation with Islam, to many other ethnicities aside from the Arabs, across the globe. Yet, the Quran, the sacred text of Islam, repeatedly praises Moses (Musa), and Muslims, like Jews, believe that Moses alone, among the prophets, spoke directly to God. In addition, Jews and Muslims both circumcise their male offspring, the former at birth and the latter at or approaching puberty. And finally, the two religions share some dietary and other restrictions, such as a ban on consumption of pork.

Muslims and Jews further possess mystical customs -- Islamic Sufism and Jewish Kabbalah -- that are so close to one another that the presumption of mutual influence is inescapable. Yet the transmission of these spiritual doctrines and practices between them is still historically mysterious. At certain points, there is evidence for direct influence of Sufism on Jewish spirituality. Elsewhere, the path between the two is challenging to discern.

Sufism and Kabbalah alike fall into two general streams: the "theosophical," concerned with explaining the mystical content of the universe and humanity's relationship to God's creation, and the "ecstatic." Both Sufis and Kabbalists ascribe an external and a hidden meaning to their scriptures. But for the "theosophical" mystic, Muslim or Jewish, the mind is concentrated on performance of religious commandments according to their supernatural understanding. By contrast, the "ecstatic" seeks more than a refinement of the soul, and intimacy with God.

A leading Jewish author influenced by Sufism, Bahya ibn Pakuda, served as a Hebraic jurist in the Spanish city of Zaragoza during its Islamic period, before its reconquest by the Christians. Toward the end of the 11th century, he wrote a classic of Jewish ethics that is widely read today, "The Book of the Direction of the Duties of the Heart." Originally composed in Arabic, the common Jewish language in the period the great historian of Islam Bernard Lewis has called "the Judeo-Islamic" era, Bahya's work drew extensively on the writings of the early Arab Sufis, such as Dhunnun of Cairo, who died c.859. Bahya shared with the Sufis the belief that adherence to religious law would not, alone, secure the perfection of the soul, but that the believer must commit to God in the heart. He was not, however, an ecstatic -- he believed in loving God from a respectful distance.

The means employed by the ecstatic Sufis and ecstatic Kabbalists are often identical: absorption in repetition of the Names of God, accompanied by music and physical exertions. The Israeli scholar Moshe Idel, in his 1988 volume "The Mystical Experience in Abraham Abulafia," analyzed the biography of a Kabbalist born in Zaragoza in 1240, after it had been retaken by the Christians. Abulafia travelled through the Muslim and Eastern Christian countries before returning to Barcelona, where he began his Kabbalistic studies. His encounter with Kabbalah stimulated him to new and original ways of studying Jewish law that brought condemnation from the Jewish authorities of his time, although he was later acclaimed as a Jewish thinker.

Abulafia's methods for attaining ecstatic union with the divine had parallels in Sufism, Eastern Orthodox Christianity and yoga. These included reciting the names of God in combination with "a complex technique involving such components as breathing, singing, and movements of the head, which have nothing whatsoever to do with the traditional commandments of Judaism," in Idel's words.

Yet these procedures are widely known in Sufism. Idel notes one element in Abulafia's ecstatic Kabbalah -- a requirement for pronunciation of the divine names while breathing out, rather than taking in air -- and finds a parallel between this and Sufi discipline. In another of his works, "Studies in Ecstatic Kabbalah," Idel wrote on "the hypothesis that Jewish-Sufic tradition existed in the East, and likely also in Palestine." Abulafia's ecstatic Kabbalah, according to Idel, fused with "an unbroken chain of [Jewish] authors ... who developed a mystical trend under Sufic inspiration." This trend was "transmitted" from East to West in "a fascinating 'migration' of Kabbalistic theory." The ecstatic Kabbalah that originated in Barcelona came back to Christian-ruled Spain enriched by its encounter with Sufism. Idel concludes, "Palestine made a great contribution" to Kabbalah. "This contribution, ironically, was nurtured by Muslim mysticism."

So far Muslims have been less fortunate than Jews in that Sufis continue to be subjected to violent attack by Muslim fundamentalists, while Kabbalah has been assimilated into Orthodox Jewish observance. The religious consciousness shared in dialogue between the Muslim Sufis and the Jewish Kabbalists provides a positive example for the believers in each of the two religions today. We need not idealize this relationship; it may not solve the political problems of Israel and the contemporary Palestinian Arabs. But the links between Islamic Sufism and Jewish Kabbalah deserve to be studied and celebrated, and efforts should be made to resolve the enigmatic history of their parallel and common pathways. Jewish scholars have pioneered in fulfillment of this task; it is time for Muslim scholars to emulate them, from the other direction.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/stephen-schwartz/sufism-and-kabbalah_b_989875.html

Ponce
4th March 2015, 07:23 AM
Before the 1900 the Arabs and the Jews were getting along just fine.........till the Zionist came into the picture.......the Jews of the so called Bible were no angels and for "some" reason were kicked out of more than 87 countries, from some of them more than once. 80'% of the people use the word "Jew" when in reality they mean to say Zionist........if people started using the right word then there would be a different picture of the present situation

Lets see if the Zionist will send their KIDON hit team after me...they kill by having people have accidents.

V

singular_me
4th March 2015, 07:30 AM
sure, I can see this, BUT since the plan to take over the world is 2000yo, it was bound to happen.


Before the 1900 the Arabs and the Jews were getting along just fine.........till the Zionist came into the picture.......the Jews of the so called Bible were no angels and for "some" reason were kicked out of more than 87 countries, from some of them more than once. 80'% of the people use the word "Jew" when in reality they mean to say Zionist........if people started using the right word then there would be a different picture of the present situation

Lets see if the Zionist will send their KIDON hit team after me...they kill by having people have accidents.

V

7th trump
4th March 2015, 07:51 AM
Before the 1900 the Arabs and the Jews were getting along just fine.........till the Zionist came into the picture.......the Jews of the so called Bible were no angels and for "some" reason were kicked out of more than 87 countries, from some of them more than once. 80'% of the people use the word "Jew" when in reality they mean to say Zionist........if people started using the right word then there would be a different picture of the present situation

Lets see if the Zionist will send their KIDON hit team after me...they kill by having people have accidents.

V

You dont have a freaken clue of what you are talking about Ponce.

I find you repulsive after reading your tripe about the zionist and jews....you couldnt identify either if they were sitting in the same room as you.
You're a non-beleiver while at the same time being pro-muslim....so why are you even saying anything about the subject?

The people of the Bible are the caucasians...the house of Israel (10 tribes) and the house of Judah (two tribes).
Then there is the fake chosen who muddle up the waters.
You wouldnt know the difference from looking at any of these three.
The fakes look just like any caucasian.........hence why the phrase "wolf in sheeps clothing".

singular_me
4th March 2015, 07:58 AM
yes 7th but you shouldnt accuse Ponce of anything since you fail to see that religion IS politics.. ALL man made to conceal the One Truth

7th trump
4th March 2015, 10:20 AM
yes 7th but you shouldnt accuse Ponce of anything since you fail to see that religion IS politics.. ALL man made to conceal the One Truth

And yet another athiest commenting about the Bible.
You have even less of an idea of what the Bible is about.

If you understood the tree earth ages as taught in the Bible you'd understand why you sound ignorant.

singular_me
4th March 2015, 11:17 AM
there is no spiritual model... we all experience the One Truth at our own level of understanding... and that is why we are going to have a politcal-religious blow up

you want your *end of days* to prove that you are correct ??? you may have it, but then when that happens you will have only yourself to blame for

me an atheist? that's maybe why I believe Christ when he asks to leave everything behind and says that the church or God is within.... because there is NO model, no faith monopoly out there in the Greater Scheme Of All Things.

we surely dont read the scriptures the same way. One thing is certain: the Christ Consciousness (infinite awareness) exists for real

BarnkleBob
4th March 2015, 01:02 PM
Boiled down of all the jargon.... sufism, kabbala, catholism, islam, xianity, etc. et al are at their very base nothing more than majical systems..... church rituals & prayers are indeed the equivalent of casting spells for protections or gains from the unseen invisible spirit world by and thru specific named spiritual entities. Nothing more, nothing less....

aeondaze
4th March 2015, 01:25 PM
There is a thread for this shit, SPECIFICALLY STARTED for this material and you know it, yet you deliberately go an clutter up the forum,

How about you go and post it IN THERE instead of posting the SAME tired material time and time again in NEW posts like its something revelatory...:|~

singular_me
4th March 2015, 02:05 PM
go away... we are on the BRINK of a major RELIGIOUS war that may kill 100's of 1000s people... I offer insight and try to shed light on the root of conflict, for those who can take it.

religion IS politics, that you like it or not. Your atheism has subverted sciences but this you will never address nor start threads about it.


There is a thread for this shit, SPECIFICALLY STARTED for this material and you know it, yet you deliberately go an clutter up the forum,

How about you go and post it IN THERE instead of posting the SAME tired material time and time again in NEW posts like its something revelatory...:|~

aeondaze
4th March 2015, 02:09 PM
go away... we are on the BRINK of a major RELIGIOUS war... I offer insight and trying to shed light on the root of conflict.

religion IS politics, that you like it or not. Your atheism has destroyed sciences...

Hahaha, it doesn't work like that! Whatever we're on the brink of, I doubt you'd be the first person to know.

You offer little insight into anything! Your goal is to spread disinformation and your refusal to post this material in the appropriate thread proves that you're incapable of being a team player.

My atheism has done nothing of the sort, if anything you're absurd claims without any basis in facts is what is destroying science.

Jewboo
18th March 2015, 09:02 PM
You have even less of an idea of what the Bible is about.





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7th Trump's Bible



:rolleyes:

Horn
18th March 2015, 11:04 PM
The word semite basically says it all, the two brothers make you choose a side.

In the end they're the only ones left standing. You however have been split down the center, and are a bowl of mush on the floor.

Works like magic every time.