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mick silver
7th March 2015, 06:37 AM
DELRAY BEACH, Fla. (AP) — A woman who fled with her son while fighting to prevent his circumcision will face imprisonment if she doesn't return and allow the surgery to proceed, a judge ruled Friday.



In a stinging rebuke of the mother, Heather Hironimus, Circuit Judge Jeffrey Gillen said she had successfully dragged out a legal battle and was "reprehensible" for going missing with the boy and for conduct that has put the 4-year-old in a public spotlight "making him an object of curiosity and worse." He found her in contempt and demanded she appear in court Tuesday with the child or he would command police to find her.
She will only avoid jail on the contempt charge, Gillen said, if she signs paperwork necessary to schedule the procedure that she initially agreed to in a legal document.
"This child has been placed in a light that provides much too much scrutiny for a little boy," the judge said. "I blame no one but the mother for that."
It was the latest dramatic turn in a case nearly as old as the boy himself, and one that has become a rallying cry for "intactivists," the circumcision opponents who say removing the foreskin is barbaric. Though Hironimus gave her blessing to circumcision in the parenting plan she reached with the boy's father, Dennis Nebus of Boca Raton, she later changed her mind, leading to a long court battle. Circuit and appellate judges have sided with the father.
The father has called circumcision "just the normal thing to do." The mother said it's not worth the risks.
After Hironimus, of Boynton Beach, refused to sign papers to allow the circumcision and after protesters spotlighted the case, potential surgeons have backed out of circumcising the boy. Both Nebus and the boy's doctors have received death threats. Meantime, the mother has stoked the protests and publicity, despite a court order not to, said May Cain, an attorney for the father, who appeared in court.
"She's willing to flee with him and plaster him all over the Internet and do anything she can," Nebus said. "She's stated that she's going to do everything that she can to stop it."
Nebus said he has not seen his son since Feb. 19. Thomas Hunker, the attorney for Hironimus, said he did not know where his client was. After the hearing, Hunker said "We're concerned for the child's wellbeing and emotional condition."
Though circumcision rates have fallen in the U.S., a majority of boys still undergo the procedure, though a bubbling movement against it has developed. The CDC says medical evidence shows benefits clearly outweigh risks, and that circumcision can lower a male's risk of sexually transmitted diseases, penile cancer and urinary tract infections.
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Dogman
7th March 2015, 06:55 AM
The mother and kid.

http://gold-silver.us/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=7401&stc=1

Twisted Titan
7th March 2015, 06:56 AM
*The CDC says medical evidence shows benefits clearly outweigh risks, and that circumcision can lower a male's risk of sexually transmitted diseases, penile cancer and urinary tract infections.

The CDC also says vaccinces are safe and effective.

The CDC has your childs best interest.

mick silver
7th March 2015, 07:27 AM
comment ...Circumcision is a custom of Africa and the middle East. It only became the norm in America because of the overwhelming number of Jewish doctors who began the trend and promoted the science for it's justification. It is not considered normal in any other first world country apart from Israel.
For those women who say they prefer circumcised penises, I say, how about we introduce the other African/middle eastern customs of removing parts of YOUR genitalia? It would certainly be more attractive and hygienic, so what's the downside?

Ponce
7th March 2015, 08:14 AM
To me that this is a Jewish thing.....but at the same time I feel that it is a healthy thing....however, it is not a natural thing so that the mother can choose what she thinks is better for her son.

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singular_me
7th March 2015, 01:05 PM
something that will surprise many... (NOT saying that circumcison is ok) just taking the issue up to a higher level

my 2 cents: every adult individual should choose for him/herself. Imposing this on kids is immoral.
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Did you know female circumcision was considered legitimate medicine until the 1970s in the USA?
http://www.reddit.com/r/Intactivists/wiki/index#wiki_20th_century

also
Feb 24, 2014
In Chicago, a physician with offices on Michigan Avenue offers clitoral unhooding today for $1,000 (plus operating room fees). His intention? To more easily enable a woman to reach orgasm. Clitoral unhooding falls under the larger category of female genital cosmetic surgeries (FGCS), surgeries that are reportedly becoming more popular among women and physicians. Some physicians, even those who don’t perform FGCS, see them as part of the future of plastic surgery. http://www.psmag.com/health-and-behavior/female-circumcision-sexual-therapy-past-future-plastic-surgery-73229

EE_
7th March 2015, 02:11 PM
something that will surprise many... (NOT saying that circumcison is ok) just taking the issue up to a higher level

my 2 cents: every adult individual should choose for him/herself. Imposing this on kids is immoral.
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Did you know female circumcision was considered legitimate medicine until the 1970s in the USA?
http://www.reddit.com/r/Intactivists/wiki/index#wiki_20th_century

also
Feb 24, 2014
In Chicago, a physician with offices on Michigan Avenue offers clitoral unhooding today for $1,000 (plus operating room fees). His intention? To more easily enable a woman to reach orgasm. Clitoral unhooding falls under the larger category of female genital cosmetic surgeries (FGCS), surgeries that are reportedly becoming more popular among women and physicians. Some physicians, even those who don’t perform FGCS, see them as part of the future of plastic surgery. http://www.psmag.com/health-and-behavior/female-circumcision-sexual-therapy-past-future-plastic-surgery-73229

What would we call it then? Man without his boat, boy without his canoe?

Glass
7th March 2015, 04:11 PM
circumcision for men is the same as genital mutilation in women. It removes or damages the "zone". and yes men have one.

Cebu_4_2
7th March 2015, 04:42 PM
circumcision for men is the same as genital mutilation in women. It removes or damages the "zone". and yes men have one.

I lost my hoodie long ago, if you don't know what your missing it's pretty much no biggie. Now if I had it done when older and experienced it both ways might be a bit different.

singular_me
7th March 2015, 04:51 PM
dunno... but I think the issue has a taboo attached:, a mother having to handle her son's hygiene for several years. It has always been about it... sex... preventing incestuous feelings

Non-religious circumcision only started in English-speaking countries in the late 1800's. The main reason was to prevent masturbation. If you want to learn more then look at this site... http://www.historyofcircumcision.net/

black muslims go a step further, to prevent women from fooling around... a full excision, poor women.

and now we are preached that promiscuity is just fine... the elites can't help themselves, controlling our sex lives is an obsession of theirs. The OP says it all. I feel sorry for that mother.


What would we call it then? Man without his boat, boy without his canoe?

Glass
7th March 2015, 05:10 PM
I lost my hoodie long ago, if you don't know what your missing it's pretty much no biggie. Now if I had it done when older and experienced it both ways might be a bit different.

are you in favor of people getting a choice when they reach choosing age? I think it is important. Same as it is for women. Its the same thing on basically the same body part. We are told it is unfair, inhuman, destroys pleasure etc towards women. Who would know? unless like you say, done later in life. the people who have been there say it's much worse afterwards.

singular_me
8th March 2015, 05:12 AM
any type of coercion is immoral
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Extreme trauma from male circumcision causes damage to areas of brain
http://www.naturalnews.com/048907_male_circumcision_brain_damage_child_abuse. html




are you in favor of people getting a choice when they reach choosing age? I think it is important. Same as it is for women. Its the same thing on basically the same body part. We are told it is unfair, inhuman, destroys pleasure etc towards women. Who would know? unless like you say, done later in life. the people who have been there say it's much worse afterwards.

brosil
8th March 2015, 06:46 AM
As someone who was circumcised as a child, Hell No! If you turn 18 and want it chopped off, that's your choice.

Hillbilly
8th March 2015, 09:50 AM
Jewish Ritual Mutilation is what it should be called!

Twisted Titan
8th March 2015, 12:51 PM
Its a jewish thing but like all ventures they turned it into a money making swindle.


Do you much know how much money the hospitals charge laboratories and private firms for that fresh baby tissue?

The same thing with the placenta and after birth.

I remember when my daugther was born ....when they were cleaning up i noticed that the umblical cord and placenta were still on the operating intrustment table

It was not in the medical waste trash. It was being preseved as best i could tell but

I was focused on watching my baby

Glass
8th March 2015, 04:52 PM
yes the after birth goes to pharmaco for vaccines, the foreskin goes to cosmetic co for face beauty cream

Shami-Amourae
8th March 2015, 05:00 PM
yes the after birth goes to pharmaco for vaccines, the foreskin goes to cosmetic co for face beauty cream

This was admitted at 1:44 & 8:08

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t1FhDSKH96Q

Glass
8th March 2015, 06:48 PM
well that was convenient. I don't know about that show though.