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mick silver
14th March 2015, 02:13 PM
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ATLANTA (AP) — The ministry of a prominent Georgia megachurch pastor and evangelist who teaches that God wants to bless the faithful with earthly riches is seeking donations to buy a luxury jet valued at more than $65 million.



The website of Creflo Dollar Ministries asked people Friday to "Sow your love gift of any amount" to help the ministry buy a Gulfstream G650 airplane. Dollar and his wife, Taffi, are co-pastors of World Changers International Church in College Park, just south of Atlanta.
Dollar is one of the most prominent African-American preachers based around Atlanta who have built successful ministries on the prosperity gospel. Ministers in this tradition often hold up their own wealth as evidence that the teaching works.
The ministry's current plane, acquired in 1999, was built in 1984, has traveled more than 4 million miles and is no longer safe, spokesman Juda Engelmayer said. On a recent trip overseas, one of the engines failed, but the pilot was able to land safely and no one was injured, the ministry's website says.
"(W)e are asking members, partners, and supporters of this ministry to assist us in acquiring a Gulfstream G650 airplane so that Pastors Creflo and Taffi and World Changers Church International can continue to blanket the globe with the Gospel of grace," the ministry's website says.
Gulfstream's website lists an asking price of $67,950,000 for a G650 with a flight record of 1,616 hours and 625 landings since it entered service in mid-December.
Members of the ministry travel for much of the year bringing their message, food and supplies to people around the world, Engelmayer said. They need a plane that's fuel efficient, faster, with enough cargo capacity and enough seats, he said.
The G650 "flies at more than 92 percent of the speed of sound," typically holds about 18 seated passengers and can take off with a maximum weight of 99,600, according to Gulfstream's website.
Numerous online reports quoted the ministry website as saying: "We are believing for 200,000 people to give contributions of 300 US dollars or more to turn this dream into a reality."
On Friday afternoon, that line was gone, and the website instead said: "Your love gift of any amount will be greatly appreciated."
When asked about the change, Engelmayer replied in an email: "The ministry operates on the goodness of its followers and has always been a donor based organization. Every gift given is heartfelt and appreciated, and people who wish will give at the level comfortable to their situation and ability."
Soon after that, the website's entire page about the plane appeared disabled.
Dollar, who has five children, is a native of College Park and says he received a vision for the church in 1986. He held the first service in front of eight people in an elementary school cafeteria. His ministry grew quickly and the church moved into its current 8,500-seat sanctuary, on Dec. 24, 1995.
Dollar said in a 2007 interview with The Associated Press that he renounced his church salary, and his income comes only from personal investments, including a real estate business and horse breeding company called Dollar Ranch. He's also published more than 30 books, focusing mostly on family and life issues, including debt management.
He said he can get up to $100,000 for a single appearance on his packed schedule of speaking engagements.


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mick silver
14th March 2015, 02:15 PM
some of the best comments I have seen in some time .... Just another lost soul that yielded to the sin that is greed. Forget the planes, amusement parks, limos and fancy suits, why don't you raise $65million to help those who are still out of work because of the economic crash, those who have lost their unemployment benefits, those who got cuts in their Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid & retirement funds? What about countless children that need medical attention, transplants or even just a plate of food? No, that's alright, buy your plane and fly it as high as you can get it to go because that's the closest that you'll ever get to Heaven my friend

Twisted Titan
14th March 2015, 02:21 PM
When you have need of money the pastor tells you to have faith that God will provide.

When the Pastor has need of money he doesnt go to God he comes directly to you.


Just want to make sure I have my bearings correct.

Ares
14th March 2015, 07:32 PM
When you have need of money the pastor tells you to have faith that God will provide.

When the Pastor has need of money he doesnt go to God he comes directly to you.


Just want to make sure I have my bearings correct.

I have pointed that out many many times to my devout christian mother-in-law. Conversations can sometimes get heated, but I refuse to relent and have faith in a book written by man pretending to be the word of god.

Glass
14th March 2015, 08:47 PM
I have pointed that out many many times to my devout christian mother-in-law. Conversations can sometimes get heated, but I refuse to relent and have faith in a book written by man pretending to be the word of god.

You could have faith in the book as an excellent source of instruction on law and dealings with fellow men, ways to do things, pitfalls, weakness of character, how to make and hold your contracts. All in the book. Often told as easy to grasp stories with different characters playing different roles.

Some people will tell you that that law doesn't apply anymore because it uses oldy worldy words BUT it is the foundation and everything today rests upon it. If you know how you can still invoke the spells of the old laws should you ever need them.

Twisted Titan
14th March 2015, 08:53 PM
In terms of the Bible and The Word of God I gave reached a place where.

Whatever you are looking for...That is what you will find.

If you want condemation...you got it
If you want freedoom ...you got it
If you want hatered and jealousy ..you got them
If you want love and kindness ....you got them
If you want murder ....you got it.
If you want life ....you got it.


I know what I am focusing on nowadays and I have alot more peace and better understanding of myself and situations

Ares
14th March 2015, 09:06 PM
You could have faith in the book as an excellent source of instruction on law and dealings with fellow men, ways to do things, pitfalls, weakness of character, how to make and hold your contracts. All in the book. Often told as easy to grasp stories with different characters playing different roles.

Some people will tell you that that law doesn't apply anymore because it uses oldy worldy words BUT it is the foundation and everything today rests upon it. If you know how you can still invoke the spells of the old laws should you ever need them.

I do, I try to live by the golden rule. Whenever I am working for someone on my side business I usually cut them breaks on price for repairs, I also do free diagnostics to try and determine what is wrong before I quote them a price.

But Christianity and Catholicism draw their whole religion around that book and the stories it contains. They don't preach it as examples to live your life by, it's brought out in a way that if you don't live this way you're going to spend all of eternity in hell fire.

God of the bible creates imperfect beings, judges them for being imperfect, makes perfect sense...

Glass
14th March 2015, 09:27 PM
just saying dont chuck the book out with the churchianity bath water.

those kind of people, evangalists, should be ashamed of themselves. I know they are not because the pray real hard every day and that forgives them. I've known a few people who go by this prosperity thing. They are not really christian people but they sure do try hard and pray hard.