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15th March 2015, 04:46 AM
25 Statist Propaganda Phrases (And How To Rebut Them)
Submitted by Tyler Durden on 03/14/2015 22:15 -0400

Submitted by Matthew Reece via Liberty.me blog,

In the discourse of statists, there is a group of phrases of which one or more tend to be present in nearly every argument.

While this is not an exhaustive listing of that group, it does contain twenty-five of the most common phrases that statists use in their arguments. As propaganda has a tendency to be repetitive, some of these phrases contain the same logical fallacies, and will therefore have similar refutations. As such, the phrases are ordered so that earlier rebuttals also apply to some later phrases.

“Our government”
“Our” is the possessive form of “we.” This phrase assumes that a collective exists and has ownership of the government, which is another collective. To exist is to have a concrete, particular form in physical reality. To say that abstract objects exist is to beg the question of where they exist, to which there is no answer because there is no empirically observable entity. To say that collectives exist is beg the question of what physical form they take, as all available physical forms are occupied by the individuals which are said to comprise the collective. Thus, there is no “we”; there is only you, I, and every other individual person. By the same token, the government does not exist; each person, each building, each gun, etc. exists. As such, the phrase “our government” is meaningless. Additionally, to own something is to have a right of exclusive control over it. Part and parcel of this right is the right to physically destroy that which one owns. As governments use force to stop citizens who attempt to physically destroy the state, the citizens are not the de facto owners of a government.

“We are the government”
This phrase confuses society with government, which is as serious an error as confusing an entire human body with a malignant tumor growing inside of that body.

“The social contract”
A valid contract must be presented honestly and agreed to voluntarily, without duress or fraud. The social contract does not meet this standard because the state will initiate the use of force against anyone who does not voluntarily enter into the social contract. The state is also not automatically dissolved when it fails to uphold its obligations under the social contract, so the presentation is dishonest if it even occurs at all. Therefore, the social contract cannot be considered a legitimate contract.

“Our leader”
In the case of the state, we are not speaking of just any kind of leader, but a ruler. No one owns the ruler, and the ruler falsely claims to own those who are ruled, as the ruler claims a right to exclusive control over the ruled and has no logically defensible basis for doing so. Thus the leader is not “ours.”

“The leader of the free world”
“The free world” does not exist; each individual person exists. Again, we are speaking of rulers rather than all types of leaders. Free people do not have rulers; they rule themselves.

“You don’t have to like our leaders, but you should respect them”
Respect should be a response to virtue. Ordering the use of initiatory force against people to control them is not virtuous behavior, therefore it is unworthy of respect.

“You don’t have to like the president, but you should respect the office of the presidency”
The office of the presidency, like any part of any government, is a violent criminal institution. Violent criminality is unworthy of respect.

“Our military”
If the military is “ours,” then “we” should be able to exercise exclusive control over it. But “we” neither command the military nor have the freedom to destroy it. Thus it is not “ours”; it is a tool of the ruling classes used to make it very difficult for citizens to violently overthrow the government, provide a last line of defense for the state in the form of martial law should the citizens succeed in violently overthrowing the government, and present a deterrent to other rulers elsewhere in the world who might seek to take over the state and capture the tax base for themselves.

“We need to make the world safe for democracy”
Democracy is two wolves and a sheep voting on who gets eaten. This sort of behavior should not be made safe; it should be made dangerous by giving the sheep means to resist the wolves. Some will say that this is what a constitutional republic does, but this is false. A constitutional republic is three wolves and a sheep voting for a representative among them to decide who gets eaten. To claim that establishing a constitutional republic counters the negative aspects of democracy is to claim that simply by making a chocolate cake double-layered, one can magically turn it into something that is not chocolate.

“You don’t have to like what the police/military are doing, but you should support them”
Again, respect should be a response to virtue. Just as ordering the use of initiatory force against people to control them is not virtuous behavior, carrying out said orders is also not virtuous. Therefore it is unworthy of respect.

“The homeland/Our nation”
As only individuals are capable of action, only individuals may rightly own property. There is no such thing as public property; there is only privately owned property and property which has been stolen or otherwise interfered with by agents of the state. Thus, there is no homeland or nation because these require collective ownership.

“National defense/security”
There is no such thing as national security apart from each individual person’s security because there is no such thing as a nation apart from each individual person.

“It’s the law”
In a statist society, the laws are a collection of opinions written down by sociopaths who have managed to either win popularity contests or murder their competitors and enforced at gunpoint by thugs in costumes. The implication of the phrase “it’s the law” is that this state of affairs is both necessary and proper, rather than inherently illogical and immoral. Also implied is that the law is somehow sacrosanct and immutable, which is clearly false because the aforementioned sociopaths both frequently alter the laws and routinely disregard the laws they make for everyone else.

“Voting is your voice in government”
This statement assumes that there is no voter fraud, that votes are counted correctly, that vote results cannot be altered by courts, and that politicians will do what voters tell them to do. Each of these assumptions has an unfulfilled burden of proof at best, and is demonstrably false on several occasions at worst.

“Voting is a civic duty”
A legitimate duty can only come from a legitimate right or contract. There is no such right or contract that could create such a duty. In addition, there can be no legitimate duty to perform an immoral act. Voting is immoral because it helps to impose violent rulers upon peaceful people and gives the appearance of legitimacy to institutions which deserve none.

“If you don’t vote, you have no right to complain”
This is exactly wrong. People who do not vote are the only people who have a right to complain. Those who vote for people who win elections are endorsing politicians and their minions who will engage in activities under color of law that would be punished as crimes if you or I did them. Those who vote for people who lose elections may not be vicariously responsible for the crimes of state agents in the same degree, but participating in the system helps to create the appearance of legitimacy for that which is inherently illegitimate.

“The public good/The good of society”
Society, or “the public,” does not exist. Each individual person exists. As such, there is no such thing as the public good or the good of society. There is only what is good for each individual person.

“For the children”
Those who wield state power subject children to forced indoctrination that leaves them with few marketable skills and restrict the ability of suitable guardians to serve as their parents. They do not care about children as anything other than a means to shame and guilt people into handing over more liberty and property to the state.

“Government is necessary”
This is a positive claim which carries a burden of proof. By itself, this is a claim asserted without logic or evidence and may therefore be dismissed without logic or evidence.

“Anarchy is chaos”
The word “anarchy” comes from Greek ???????, meaning “without rulers,” or more accurately, “without beginning to take the lead.” It does not mean an absence of order, rules, or structure. The state, on the other hand, is chaos plus organization.

“Taxes are the price for a civilized society”
This is exactly wrong. Taxes are the price for failing to create a civilized society based on voluntary solutions, and the degree of taxation corresponds to the degree of failure.

“Paying taxes is a civic duty”
Taxation is immoral because it violates the non-aggression principle, private property rights, and freedom of association. There can be no legitimate duty to comply with immorality.

“We owe it to ourselves”
This would make one both a creditor and a debtor in the same transaction. This is a contradiction, therefore it is false.

“We’re going to hold them accountable”
This is contrary to the nature of the state. The state apparatus allows some people to do what is ordinarily forbidden for anyone to do. Thus, the objective is to avoid responsibility for the commission of crimes. Avoiding responsibility is the opposite of being held accountable.

“Who will build the roads?”
If we free the slaves, who will pick the cotton? It does not matter. What matters is that slavery is morally indefensible. So it is with government and who will provide services in its absence. Also, it is not necessary to know the correct answer to a question in order to know that a particular answer is incorrect. And who will build the death camps? The state also provides intolerable disservices which would almost certainly not occur in its absence.

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As Jim Quinn so eloquently concludes,

I realize this may be hard for some simple minds to grasp, but there can be no consent , implicit or otherwise given,where none was ever sought.

As Matthew Reece brilliantly points out in the essay above, consent to rule by violent force is a personal choice and if that choice is not made voluntarily, then it is no choice at all.

Shami-Amourae
15th March 2015, 05:11 AM
“Who will build the roads?”
If we free the slaves, who will pick the cotton? It does not matter. What matters is that slavery is morally indefensible. So it is with government and who will provide services in its absence. Also, it is not necessary to know the correct answer to a question in order to know that a particular answer is incorrect. And who will build the death camps? The state also provides intolerable disservices which would almost certainly not occur in its absence.


http://i1.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/735/918/790.jpg

Carl
15th March 2015, 07:41 AM
And again, an excellent example of a straw man argument that begs the question, wrapped in a false dilemma, while appealing to consequence and leaving you hanging

palani
15th March 2015, 07:57 AM
Not covered: "Ignorance of the law is no excuse."

Ignorance comes in two forms: of fact and of law. Ignorance of a foreign law is ignorance of a fact. Ignorance of a law that is not foreign is not a valid defense but you really have to look at the entire phrase:

Ignorance of law, consists in the want of knowledge of those laws which it is our duty to understand, and which every man is presumed to know.

So a law is domestic and that means you have a duty to understand .... but ... how about the part about which every man is presumed to know? End analysis ... be careful about which laws you declare to be domestic. Quite a few are foreign ... like those which control corporations (these would be the ENTIRE U.S. code and all the code of the fifty states).

Horn
15th March 2015, 08:51 AM
To claim that establishing a constitutional republic counters the negative aspects of democracy is to claim that simply by making a chocolate cake double-layered, one can magically turn it into something that is not chocolate.

I thought this article and argument rather UNholy, or rather paving the way for the U.S. to be placed under U.N. control.

palani
15th March 2015, 09:04 AM
I thought this article and argument rather UNholy, or rather paving the way for the U.S. to be placed under U.N. control.
According to Plato things that change don't have a place in reality. If the appearance of the thing changes or the essence of a thing changes then it cannot be classed as real because things that are real are unchanging. It is not a bad approach to take to separate a fiction from reality.

As to things that don't change here is a paragraph by Edward Wood of A COMPLETE BODY OF CONVEYANCING, in Theory and Practice.


And if he that has the estate grants or charges it, it will be subject to the condition still; for the condition always attends and waits upon the estate or thing whereunto it is annexed; so that although the same passes throught the hands of an hundred men, yet it is subject to the condition still, and notwithstanding some of them be persons privileged in divers cases, as the king, infants and women covert, yet they are also bound by the condition.

Now use the above concept to dwell upon what you consider to be your estate, what was granted to you and what you bought that that has these conditions annexed thereunto. The matter is taken out of your hands and you have no will in the matter. Take it or leave it but the conditions annexed remain unchanged FOREVER.

Horn
15th March 2015, 09:14 AM
Words got me the wound and will get me well... MoJo

The U.S. Constitution has no meaning in the soft fire.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_e3PVBx0N0

palani
15th March 2015, 09:16 AM
The U.S. Constitution has no meaning in the soft fire.

Who mentioned the U.S. constitution?

Horn
15th March 2015, 09:37 AM
Who mentioned the U.S. constitution?

I did, but you can substitute any for U.S. if u like.

Any constitution has no meaning in a soft fire.

palani
15th March 2015, 10:10 AM
Any constitution has no meaning in a soft fire.
Only meaning it has is to those who have oaths and offices held under those oaths.

Publico
15th March 2015, 10:55 AM
“Taxes are the price for a civilized society”
This is exactly wrong. Taxes are the price for failing to create a civilized society based on voluntary solutions, and the degree of taxation corresponds to the degree of failure.

I like adding 'Both Hitler and Stalin collected taxes. Is that the type of civilization you're talking about?'

palani
15th March 2015, 11:18 AM
Is that the type of civilization you're talking about?'

Civilization is the process of making a common law crime CIVIL.

singular_me
15th March 2015, 01:12 PM
“Anarchy is chaos”
The word “anarchy” comes from Greek ?, meaning “without rulers,” or more accurately, “without beginning to take the lead.” It does not mean an absence of order, rules, or structure. The state, on the other hand, is chaos plus organization.

my favorite paragraph ;D

Ares
15th March 2015, 01:39 PM
Amd again, an excellent example of a straw man argument that begs the question, wrapped in a false dilemma, while appealing to consequence and leaving you hanging

The same could be said for justifying the existence of the state. A straw man argument that begs the question, wrapped in a false dilemma, while appealing to consequences and leaving you hanging at the barrel of a gun.

Carl
15th March 2015, 01:43 PM
The same could be said for justifying the existence of the state. A straw man argument that begs the question, wrapped in a false dilemma, while appealing to consequences and leaving you hanging while at the barrel of a gun. Agreed. Both are extreme positions, a false dichotomy that only severs the continuation of the status quo.

Ares
15th March 2015, 01:59 PM
Agreed. Both are extreme positions, a false dichotomy that only severs the continuation of the status quo.

But the age old question goes, and I'm sure our founding fathers struggled with it as well. How do you give something like government power while prohibiting them from abusing said power?

It's never been done in the history of mankind. There are countless examples of government breaking the "social contract" whenever it suites them. Even our own government has used the populace for medical experimentation without the subjects knowledge in breach of not only the social contract but also Geneva convention against human experimentation. All the while no one went to jail, no fines were imposed and it was only released after a freedom of information act request was put forth.

The Constitution is worthless if the checks and balances put in place are completely ignored.

Carl
15th March 2015, 03:12 PM
.......The Constitution is worthless if the checks and balances put in place are completely ignored. The checks and balances were all but destroyed with the unconstitutional 17th amendment, which converted the republic into a democracy. A democracy makes everyone the government and, consequently, you best serve yourself by serving the growth and well being of government. The start to undoing this situation is to convince state's legislators to repudiate the unlawful 17th and seating their selection of senators, which will reinitiate the republic, and we can start whittling it down from there...

Horn
15th March 2015, 03:30 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=go3kPyuBSSY

singular_me
15th March 2015, 04:41 PM
sorry guys, I have challenged enough statists so far... statism is a fake reality. In the meantime...

James Corbett On Anarchy And Voluntarism
http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?82448-Our-False-Reality

palani
15th March 2015, 05:11 PM
https://adask.files.wordpress.com/2015/03/war1.jpg?w=645&h=640

Ares
15th March 2015, 07:33 PM
The checks and balances were all but destroyed with the unconstitutional 17th amendment, which converted the republic into a democracy. A democracy makes everyone the government and, consequently, you best serve yourself by serving the growth and well being of government. The start to undoing this situation is to convince state's legislators to repudiate the unlawful 17th and seating their selection of senators, which will reinitiate the republic, and we can start whittling it down from there...

That's kind of the point I was attempting to make. By all accounts when looking at the historical evidence 36 states never even ratified the 17th Amendment yet it was declared by Philander Knox.

So even if you remove the 17th Amendment, it will still be a cold day in hell before government stays within its limited confines. It's very nature is to grow and control. Keeping that power limited has never been accomplished.

Carl
16th March 2015, 08:49 AM
......So even if you remove the 17th Amendment, it will still be a cold day in hell before government stays within its limited confines. It's very nature is to grow and control. Keeping that power limited has never been accomplished.

The object of the exercise (state's repudiation of the 17th) is to bust up the unified congress and the moneyed interests that drive it, bust up the two party system and bust up centralized governmental control. And all "we" have to do to achieve this is convince the states to take back their lawful right to representation.

Once they invoke and exercise their right under the Constitution, buddy, IT IS ON!

Ares
16th March 2015, 08:54 AM
The object of the exercise (state's repudiation of the 17th) is to bust up the unified congress and the moneyed interests that drive it, bust up the two party system and bust up centralized governmental control. And all "we" have to do to achieve this is convince the states to take back their lawful right to representation.

Once they invoke and exercise their right under the Constitution, buddy, IT IS ON!

That begs the question, how do you get the states to bite the hand that feeds them?

Carl
16th March 2015, 11:20 AM
That begs the question, how do you get the states to bite the hand that feeds them?
They get the chance to control the food (money) they're supplied? They get the chance to control the swarm of federal agencies that besiege their states? The get the chance to affect/effect federal law directly? The possibilities are open and endless and, this will force House members to forgo party/ideological divisions and start acting in a unified manner to counteract the State's control of the Senate. It will also force the people into paying closer attention to their remaining elected representatives and into forgoing party politics and acting more in concert.

This will absolutely destroy the RNC and DNC...

7th trump
16th March 2015, 11:39 AM
They get the chance to control the food (money) they're supplied? They get the chance to control the swarm of federal agencies that besiege their states? The get the chance to affect/effect federal law directly? The possibilities are open and endless and, this will force House members to forgo party/ideological divisions and start acting in a unified manner to counteract the State's control of the Senate. It will also force the people into paying closer attention to their remaining elected representatives and into forgoing party politics and acting more in concert.

This will absolutely destroy the RNC and DNC...

In many ways the states cannot directly control the federal agency's.
If anyone wants to get Social security benefits....then the state these people reside in are stuck with dealing with the federal government...... on many levels.

Its directly the peoples choice....not neccessarily the states.

Carl
16th March 2015, 12:01 PM
In many ways the states cannot directly control the federal agency's.
If anyone wants to get Social security benefits....then the state these people reside in are stuck with dealing with the federal government...... on many levels.

Its directly the peoples choice....not neccessarily the states. I wasn't referring to SSI, I was referring to all those federal agencies that exercise policing and regulatory powers outside any constitutionally based jurisdiction within the states.

*This would also include all lands unconstitutionally held by the Feds within a state's borders.

**Oh and, if the states controlled the Senate, they could directly control those federal agencies.