NASA’s Orion Engineer Admits They Can’t Get Past Van Allen Radiation Belts

[singular_me]

NASA’s Orion Engineer Admits They Can’t Get Past Van Allen Radiation Belts
march 16 2015

http://www.davidicke.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/Untitled16-587x330.jpg


at 7mins

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NlXG0REiVzE

‘If this does not get the skeptics going wild on the moon debate, we don’t know what will.

In the video presentation above, NASA engineer Kelly Smith explains about many of the risks and pitfalls surrounding the new Orion Deep Space Mission to the planet Mars.

Surprisingly, chief among Kelly’s concerns is whether or not his spacecraft can successfully pass through the perilous Van Allen Radiation Belts. Such is the prospective danger in fact, that NASA will have to send a dumbie craft first in order to ‘test out’ what the potential radiation effects will be on future human crews, as well as on the ship’s delicate sensors and equipment.’

http://21stcenturywire.com/2015/03/14/video-nasas-orion-engineer-admits-they-cant-get-past-van-allen-radiation-belts/

[SWRichmond]

Computer equipment now is chips with tiny, and very very vulnerable, gaps between conductors. Computer equipment in the mid 60's was much more primitive and robust.

Could you 60's vintage car survive an EMP? YES. Could your 2015 vintage vehicle survive one? NO.

[Glass]

Big bulky valves and relays and switching gear. Analog. Nice and safe. You could probably have miniaturized that tech if the effort had been spent.

the micro scale processors are a problem in their own design. Those small gaps take small amounts to short circuit. I expect with most things you could anticipate the frequency that problems would occur out and maybe choke them out. Using torroids or other freq filtering methods. Kind of like setting up fire breaks on the circuits so the short can't progress too far or at all. I guess it can come down to the power in the pulse.

[7th trump]

Just put them in a metal cage and they'll be fine from any electron and protons.
Not a big deal.
The space shuttle used faraday cages all the time.
You can charge any metal either positivey or negetively and accordingly as you pass through the belts to block or collect the charge.
And that scientist wouldnt know his ass from a hole in the ground....too young and inexperienced. I suspect hes a text book idiot that cant think on his own.
I wonder what field hes in...these kids these days dont know shit compared to two or even the last generation ago.
Hes no scientist...the real pioneering scientist have been dead for centuries....the ones who came up with the sophisticated equations that take computers to do today.

Kind of like pilots of today couldnt match a pilot skills of WWII where they did it all without any computers....fighter pilots of WWII were highly skilled at all levels of flight without the use of a damn computer.

[Horn]

Oh the re-dramatization!

He's speaking about ancient tech as if NASA has achieved much in 40yrs.

[Jerrylynnb]

Just show me a recent photo of that US flag on its pole (the one they planted back then *on the moon*)!

[Cebu_4_2]

Just show me a recent photo of that US flag on its pole (the one they planted back then *on the moon*)!

Just grab a telescope, clear as day...

[BarnkleBob]

Just grab a telescope, clear as day...

LMAO.... the Nassholes are liars! Yea, sure Pioneers & Voyager space craft remain operating! Sheesh, gone to the moon, another lie.

NASA years ago on one of their web sites almost came outright and said the Van Allen belts were impenetrable to living organisms, yet n other sites they contradicted themselves with their moon landing nonsense....

The controversy over the contradictions of NASA & Van Allen belt is nothing new, and many NASA scientists in the past have openly stated exactly the same findings that the "young" no nothings (7th Trump) are repeating today! IOW, man has never flown thru the belt shield, hence never landed on the moon.... get over it! Next...

[Jerrylynnb]

(to Cebu_4_2 and BarnkleBob) do you have a link to a recent photo? All I saw a few years ago was some blob of a handfull of pixels that they CLAIMED was that flag - their "photo" didn't show anything.

If you really can link to a recent, dated, properly identified, and certified, photo of that flag, in place and stuck in the moon dirt, with enough rez to unmistakeably make it out, please give!

No flag - they didn't go.
Flag? They really went.

I really don't know either way, and I worked out there at NASA from 1968 - 1982, and was on the Apollo programming team for several years. I wanna' see that damn flag! Give us a link that will end my doubts and shut me up.

[madfranks]

I thought they blew up the landing site a few years ago when NASA shot missiles at the moon, you know, for science.

[Horn]

If so it would also negate any claims of ufos belonging in the skies over earth.

Give it up ufo alien hunters. The ancient alien threat is nonexistent.

[7th trump]

LMAO.... the Nassholes are liars! Yea, sure Pioneers & Voyager space craft remain operating! Sheesh, gone to the moon, another lie.

NASA years ago on one of their web sites almost came outright and said the Van Allen belts were impenetrable to living organisms, yet n other sites they contradicted themselves with their moon landing nonsense....

The controversy over the contradictions of NASA & Van Allen belt is nothing new, and many NASA scientists in the past have openly stated exactly the same findings that the "young" no nothings (7th Trump) are repeating today! IOW, man has never flown thru the belt shield, hence never landed on the moon.... get over it! Next...

If the van ellan belts were inpenetrable to living organisms (consisting of electrons and protons) you couldnt walk on the face of the earth as radio waves (electron waves) would cease all life on earth almost instantly.
But yet faraday cages are proven to stop radio waves from entering....so why wouldnt someone be able to get through the van ellen belts?
Besides, in space an object would float in reference to ground because there is no established ground in space.
So if you went through the van ellen belts you would not notice being charged up to thousands of volts and it would have no adverse effect on you. Kind of like walking on carpet and the static charge of thusands of volts isnt noticed until you touch a ground and thus a spark happens.

[Horn]

I agree if the van allen belts were impentrable in 1969, they will remain so forever.

Like gold in a bank.

[Cebu_4_2]

Best I could find.

http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/wolfenstein/images/b/bd/Wolfenstein_The_flag_on_the_moon_045899_.jpg/revision/latest/scale-to-width/640?cb=20140618160147

[Jerrylynnb]

Cebu_4_2 - am I logged in wrong? I don't see any link or any photo.

For the whole time I programmed on the Apollo program, I had NO DOUBTS at all. But, then, I only got to watch on TV like everybody else, so I couldn't say for sure anything you could hang your hat on.

The first time I had a teeny little doubt, was during the months AFTER Apollo - I got assigned to do some programming for a project called, "The Van Allan Radiation Belt Studies". That project was going to include several launches with life-forms that would travel a few thousand miles up and back, and have all kinds of test equipment to measure the effects of the radiation on the various life forms. It wasn't till I was well into the programming that it dawned on me that this project was the horse behind the cart - we'd already sent several life forms (astronauts) back and forth, so why hadn't they taken those measurements then? And, I wondered, why didn't they do these tests BEFORE sending astronauts back and forth?

I never got an answer, and I mostly forgot about it, but, then later, what with all these doubting Thomases, I remembered that out-of-place project, so, my doubts got revived. They will all be easily put to rest when they show us a really good, independently verifiable, photo of that flag on that pole at that site ON THE MOON!

[7th trump]

But you still have no evidence we didn't go to the moon.

And what kind of life forms were these..............................mold, ameba, algae?

[Horn]

JerrlynB was also irradiated in the van allen belts while working with nasa programming...

[Cebu_4_2]

Cebu_4_2 - am I logged in wrong? I don't see any link or any photo.


Sorry prob with links.

http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/wolfenstein/images/b/bd/Wolfenstein_The_flag_on_the_moon_045899_.jpg/revision/latest/scale-to-width/640?cb=20140618160147

[Santa]

But you still have no evidence we didn't go to the moon.



Well, since you're consistently wrong about everything else, I'm using your opinions as a benchmark for wrongness,
which makes it easy to determine that the moon landing and many other news events were and are completely false.
Keep up the good work. Your opinions are very helpful. :)

[Horn]

Its easy to assume that Kubrick's lens and supposed contracts were insurance,
if race for the moon landing were a failure.

[singular_me]

wouldnt give up so fast, ufos from outer space, not man made, may have resolved the issue... our technology still is in its infancy. There is a solution for everything so to speak.


If so it would also negate any claims of ufos belonging in the skies over earth.

Give it up ufo alien hunters. The ancient alien threat is nonexistent.

[Horn]

wouldnt give up so fast, ufos from outer space, not man made, may have resolved the issue... our technology still is in its infancy. There is a solution for everything so to speak.

Not even Spok himself could combat radiation, its implausible to consider anyone else doing so.

Whatever lead shielding u have, u have.

[Cebu_4_2]

wouldnt give up so fast, ufos from outer space, not man made, may have resolved the issue... our technology still is in its infancy. There is a solution for everything so to speak.

They obviously figured it out. Or are they the manufacturers of the machine. This gets big in the 'think about that' mode. If they figured how to go light speed which would be slow, and surpassed it at magnitudes faster, straight line. Use the energy all around...

[singular_me]

right... are you referring to the star treck movies?

we can't dare assume that we know everything today. my guess is that more knowledge in electromagnetism could help find out as how to pass the belt.

sorry Horn :)



They obviously figured it out. Or are they the manufacturers of the machine. This gets big in the 'think about that' mode. If they figured how to go light speed which would be slow, and surpassed it at magnitudes faster, straight line. Use the energy all around...

[7th trump]

wouldnt give up so fast, ufos from outer space, not man made, may have resolved the issue... our technology still is in its infancy. There is a solution for everything so to speak.

You're a non believer so I would expect this sort of answer. However, most believe theres little green men on those ufo's.
Just how do you think the fallen angels got to earth and mated with the daughters of man in the days of old?
They couldn't just appear here on earth.....that's controlled by God Himself. They left their habitat (heaven) and sinned with the flesh.
Theres no such thing as little green men.....it is angels who are in those UFO's (some good and some fallen).....they don't have flesh bodies....they have angelic bodies that don't require sleep, feel pain, age or get sick.
So why couldn't UFO's go through the belts?
And if you have seen one, its technology from the first earth age...its millions, if not billions, of years old.

Would you be surprised if I told you God is very technologically savvy?
All the tech devices we have today have already been invented or created when He created all of us.....nothing is new under the sun....nothing.
There are things not yet seen that is highly advanced that humans cant fathum.

[Horn]

right... are you referring to the star treck movies?

we can't dare assume that we know everything today. my guess is that more knowledge in electromagnetism could help find out as how to pass the belt.

sorry Horn :)


Either that , or simply chart a course around the belt and not thru the belt.

It is afterall only a belt, or band. What they are doing in your videos case is testing the electronics of the craft in the case the come in contact with a fragmented portion or extreme wave of radiation. The amount of time or exposure to living creatures is negligible. The radiation shielding of any 1969 craft can take care of. Onboard electronics are not as durable as human body mechanics and subject to error in that enviroment even for a short time. Each craft is much different and u cant assume anything with interferance.

It is desirable course to go thru the belt, as thats where u get momentum form earth orbit sling shot.

[Glass]

from 2008

NASA "On Track" for 2020 Human Moon Mission

The Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter (LRO) is scheduled for launch October 28, 2008. The craft will map the moon's surface from some 30 miles (50 kilometers) aloft, searching for safe landing and outpost sites as well as valuable resources, such as water ice and a variety of minerals.

LRO will also study how radiation in space might impact astronauts who will spend far more time on the moon than previous visitors.


NatGeographic link (http://news.nationalgeographic.com.au/news/2007/12/071211-nasa-moon_2.html)

I had a link or a story somewhere that showed the ideas Nasa has for shelters on the moon and what steps they were thinking of to protect from inbound radiation. Things like suspended blankets of balloons and other kinds of overhead shielding. Can't find it at the moment. Anyone else see that?

[Ares]

Not even Spok himself could combat radiation, its implausible to consider anyone else doing so.

Whatever lead shielding u have, u have.

If you can generate a magnetic field you can shield yourself from radiation. The Van Allen Radiation belts is just radiation stuck in a magnetic loop between the north and south poles.

[palani]

If you can generate a magnetic field you can shield yourself from radiation. The Van Allen Radiation belts is just radiation stuck in a magnetic loop between the north and south poles.

Just strap yourself to a black hole and the Van Allen belts will be the least of your worries.

[Shami-Amourae]

I was on the fence about the Moon Landing thing, but I definitely think the Moon Landing never happened and is a true conspiracy now.

[Horn]

If you can generate a magnetic field you can shield yourself from radiation. The Van Allen Radiation belts is just radiation stuck in a magnetic loop between the north and south poles.

Maybe what they're testing, at speeds above 66600 mph.

http://www.armaghplanet.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/image-of-Apollo-11-and-van-allen-belts.gif


Let's now overlay the trajectory on flux maps of the VARB (resizing to match scale). The first map shows the electron flux and the next two maps show the proton flux at two energy levels. As you can see, Apollo 11 easily avoided the areas of highest flux, thereby minimizing the exposure. As before, the red markers indicate the time in 10-minute increments. The far edge of the electron belt was reached in about 90 minutes, the inner zone was traversed in about 30 minutes, and the region of the most energetic particles was skirted in just about 10 minutes. Again note that the trajectory as shown is a simple X-Y data plot that is not intended to depict the actual 3D shape or appearance of the orbit.

http://www.braeunig.us/apollo/apollo11-TLI.htm


Apollo 10, a spaceship that only orbited the moon in 1969 holds the record for the highest speed attained by a manned vehicle with 11.08 km/s (24,791mph). Answer 4: The rockets that took the Apollo astronauts to the moon in 1969 took a whole day to get to the moon, and another day to get back.

[Neuro]

If you can generate a magnetic field you can shield yourself from radiation. The Van Allen Radiation belts is just radiation stuck in a magnetic loop between the north and south poles.
No you can shield yourself from charged particles, but they are not really the Big problem directly in the van Allen belts. The charged particles collide with other charged particles and energy is left from the collision by high energy photons (gammarays), which pretty much penetrates everything, in electronic devices if the gammaray hit an atom electrons will be released and if they are many enough it would 'burn' the device. In the human body an atom is hit and electron(s) are released, if in sufficient quantities cellular function will be disrupted, due to changes in the chemistry...

Faraday cages and magnetic fields can stop charged particles, but so does a thin aluminum sheet. The problem is the electromagnetic radiation. Thick lead would stop it, but it has the disadvantage of being very heavy!

[7th trump]

No you can shield yourself from charged particles, but they are not really the Big problem directly in the van Allen belts. The charged particles collide with other charged particles and energy is left from the collision by high energy photons (gammarays), which pretty much penetrates everything, in electronic devices if the gammaray hit an atom electrons will be released and if they are many enough it would 'burn' the device. In the human body an atom is hit and electron(s) are released, if in sufficient quantities cellular function will be disrupted, due to changes in the chemistry...

Faraday cages and magnetic fields can stop charged particles, but so does a thin aluminum sheet. The problem is the electromagnetic radiation. Thick lead would stop it, but it has the disadvantage of being very heavy!

electrons and protons are directly effected by magnetic fields.....you can control electrons and protons using magnetics.

[palani]

The problem is the electromagnetic radiation. Thick lead would stop it

Any good conductor will stop an electric field (as in Faraday cage). Any good ferrous material will stop a magnetic field (don't live in a storage container 'cause it is going to shield you from the earth's magnetic field ). The lead is intended to stop anything that has mass and inertia that you might run into at those speeds required to escape earth's gravitational field.

If you knew the polarity of the charged particle you were running into you might assume the opposite charge and make it repel before you hit it. If the particle were a monopole (N or S) you might use the opposite magnetic field to repel it. Choose either the wrong charge or the wrong pole and the particle becomes attractive rather than repulsive.

[Glass]

but gammarays going through every thing is the idea behind Neuro's post. A by product of other particles colliding. The question is, what is the gammaray density in the belt and surrounds.

Did Nasa do test shots to the moon before sending the manned missions? Full size capsules etc?

[7th trump]

but gammarays going through every thing is the idea behind Neuro's post. A by product of other particles colliding. The question is, what is the gammaray density in the belt and surrounds.

Did Nasa do test shots to the moon before sending the manned missions? Full size capsules etc?

I think what Palani is saying is you control the electrons and protons through magnetism before gama reaction between the particles.

[palani]

I think what Palani is saying is you control the electrons and protons through magnetism before gama reaction between the particles.
Just trying to separate the problem from the solution.

Going through the van allen belt is like trying to navigate the innards of a magnetron in a tiny spacecraft. Those particles are traveling very fast between the earth's north and south poles and back again. The earth is a huge cyclotron (as the term might be used in reference to the microwave tube in your home). They aren't static. These puppies MOVE!!!! You wouldn't need to shield just the front of the spacecraft. You would have to shield top, sides, tail ... everything.

[Horn]

The final doses are summarized in Table 4 below. Note that the total dose is about 180 rem. A person will experience radiation sickness with a dose of 100-200 rem, and death with a dose of 300+ rem. Clearly the calculated dose is significant enough to cause serious illness, but it is below that typically regarded as causing death. We see, therefore, that even a completely exposed and unprotected astronaut, i.e. one naked and outside the spacecraft, could survive Apollo 11's trip through the VARB from the radiation point of view.

Table 4 Mission Phase Equivalent Dose, Total 179.67

Average shielded dose.

http://www.braeunig.us/apollo/pics/apollodose.gif

http://www.braeunig.us/apollo/VABraddose.htm

[Neuro]

Any good conductor will stop an electric field (as in Faraday cage). Any good ferrous material will stop a magnetic field (don't live in a storage container 'cause it is going to shield you from the earth's magnetic field ). The lead is intended to stop anything that has mass and inertia that you might run into at those speeds required to escape earth's gravitational field.

If you knew the polarity of the charged particle you were running into you might assume the opposite charge and make it repel before you hit it. If the particle were a monopole (N or S) you might use the opposite magnetic field to repel it. Choose either the wrong charge or the wrong pole and the particle becomes attractive rather than repulsive.
Photones doesn't have a charge and you can't affect them with a magnetic field. Sure you could have a magnetic field surrounding the space ship but you would create another van Allen belt within the van allen belt, with probably incredible concentrations of charged particles colliding with each other within the vicinity of the ship, creating even more gamma rays...

[palani]

Photones doesn't have a charge and you can't affect them with a magnetic field..

Are photons the problem? If they were sunblock 500 would probably work.

[mick silver]

Force field

[7th trump]

Are photons the problem? If they were sunblock 500 would probably work.
Yes photons are the problem....they collide with electrons causing gamma rays.

Yeah sure.....just try and put sunblock on subatomic particles.

[palani]

Yes photons are the problem....they collide with electrons causing gamma rays.

Yeah sure.....just try and put sunblock on subatomic particles.

Truly amazing!!! You can't tell a coroner from a medical examiner yet are studied in nuclear physics? Or did you just become sidetracked and decided to be a simple electrician for the shits and giggles?

[Horn]

Talk about deadly radiation belts in space, why when they're available here on forum...?

Least we can do is collect it and channel it as thrusters...

[7th trump]

Truly amazing!!! You can't tell a coroner from a medical examiner yet are studied in nuclear physics? Or did you just become sidetracked and decided to be a simple electrician for the shits and giggles?
Its called "google it"....and having a degree in electronics helps.

[palani]

having a degree in electronics helps.

I believe your assessment of your own abilities is self-evident.

[7th trump]

I believe your assessment of your own abilities is self-evident.

When going into electronics they taught me what valence electrons were which means you have to understand the basics of atoms....protons, neutrons and electrons....even photons in the LED and laser chapters.

So understanding gamma rays isn't all that difficult knowing what I learned in high school about gamma rays in science class...and today we have the internet full of educational material of just about any subject when touching up on a topic.

And I believe I've been in the law a hell of a lot longer than you as well...at least I study the statutes to understand the operation and jurisdiction of them....where as you? Well its self-evident you don't!

[palani]

When going into electronics they taught me what valence electrons were
You have been programmed. Try to overcome what you have been taught rather than using it as a crutch.

So understanding gamma rays isn't all that difficult knowing what I learned in high school about gamma rays in science class...and today we have the internet full of educational material of just about any subject when touching up on a topic. All opinion. Little fact.

I believe I've been in the law a hell of a lot longer than you as well...at least I study the statutes to understand the operation and jurisdiction of them....where as you? Well its self-evident you don't! I don't subscribe to that tribe. Why would I need to know their customs?

[7th trump]

You have been programmed. Try to overcome what you have been taught rather than using it as a crutch.
All opinion. Little fact.
I don't subscribe to that tribe. Why would I need to know their customs?

Theres that word again..."fact"!


It must be ok for you to use that word but for the rest of us....it means "evil".
Bahahahahahahaha..............you're a hoot Palani.
Again .....you are one sided

[palani]

.you are one sided
The view from one dimensional space:

http://www-ee.stanford.edu/~hellman/playground/hyperspheres/one_bit.jpg

You, on the other hand, are in FLATLAND.

[Neuro]

Are photons the problem? If they were sunblock 500 would probably work.
For gamma-rays? ;D Yes if it is leadbased and you apply a layer a few feet thick maybe...

[Neuro]

Yes photons are the problem....they collide with electrons causing gamma rays.

Gamma rays are made up of high energy photons, it's there essence schmuck!

[Dogman]

Gamma rays are made up of high energy photons, it's there essence schmuck!

I wonder what is out there that we cannot measure, gammas are on the top of our charts!

But I do wonder?

[Neuro]

I wonder what is out there that we cannot measure, gammas are on the top of our charts!

But I do wonder?
The energy level of Gamma Rays goes to infinity, beyond what we could measure they are still gamma rays.

[Horn]

I kinda like gamma rays myself, doesn't everyone?

Anyway you should side with them if encountered naturally they could be as common or rare as getting struck by lightning.

Consider yourself blessed by them.

[7th trump]

Gamma rays are made up of high energy photons, it's there essence schmuck!

Yes I know.
But when they collide with other subatomic particles they tend to generate more gamma rays.
How do you think laser light is made?
My point was the belts, just going through them, would generate more gamma rays.
Get it now or will I have to further explain it to you as if you are a child you really are?

Some moderator you are?
Are you going to ban me now for questioning your abilities.....you know you want to.

[palani]

Are you going to ban me now

I vote for no ban. This user is truly useful in instructing how to deal with delusional people.

[Neuro]

I vote for no ban. This user is truly useful in instructing how to deal with delusional people.
Indeed he is. A beginners training ground.

[Neuro]

Yes I know.
But when they collide with other subatomic particles they tend to generate more gamma rays.
How do you think laser light is made?
My point was the belts, just going through them, would generate more gamma rays.
Get it now or will I have to further explain it to you as if you are a child you really are?

Some moderator you are?
Are you going to ban me now for questioning your abilities.....you know you want to.
LOL! Gamma rays colliding with other subatomic particles is actually very rare, and if they do they generate photones of lesser energy. So far there is nothing suggesting you know what you are talking about, but keep on going. It is entertaining! ;D

[singular_me]

Published on Nov 30, 2014

This clip looks into a new plasma field in space as well as the Van Allen plasma belts. I ask – How is it possible for metal space craft, astronauts and satellites to pass through these plasma fields? How is it possible that we have sent endless vehicles into space including the Apollo missions and never known about this “GLASS PLASMA WALL” located 7,200 miles away? How is it possible to send radio signals through plasma belts back to earth? My conclusion is that it is not possible and we have been lied to about space and our human abilities to go into space or send remote vehicles.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RH4IvQorjGA


VERY INTRIGUING

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0mi0w8bLtUM

his channel
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCW4k9vXjgOSDcYq6Ge9hWWg

[ximmy]

Yes I know.
But when they collide with other subatomic particles they tend to generate more gamma rays.
How do you think laser light is made?
My point was the belts, just going through them, would generate more gamma rays.
Get it now or will I have to further explain it to you as if you are a child you really are?

Some moderator you are?
Are you going to ban me now for questioning your abilities.....you know you want to.

Can you imagine if 7th Trump was a forum moderator. He would be banning members the way he sends them to hell.
So gracious a man indeed.

[Glass]

haven't watched the first one. The Lunar Wave is something completely new to me. My immediate reaction was that it is the CCD refresh rate that they are seeing, however they sometimes come in from the top corners and go to the other corner. for CCD refresh you would expect the process to start from the top edge and run to the bottom edge of the CCD.

So it looks like something that is happening to the moon itself.

Can it be seen with the eye through the telescope or is it only when captured to video that it can be seen?

So turn that around 180 degrees and say it is still an image refresh even but it is the image of the moon that is being refreshed.

And then he makes mention of the question I have raised a couple times, here and I think in the other thread: These objects are either very very small or they are far far away.

new video from 03/28/15: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BVF8xZ5naKM
Some answers to critics who say its shopped.

And this one says that MIT have stated there is a glass barrier around the earth at 7200 miles? Now that is interesting.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=RH4IvQorjGA

[singular_me]

your video link is even more intriguing.... although the possibility of the footage being photoshopped, the guy sounds pretty genuine, IMHO.

In this one he says that there an hologram covers the moon so we cannot see what is going on.
UPDATED Moon Hologram - The Moon is Not What You Think
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_3axPn65MGM

The only question I have if there is an hologram: who is behind it ???

David Icke - The TRUTH about the MOON
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5pfl4prGZIY

[7th trump]

Can you imagine if 7th Trump was a forum moderator. He would be banning members the way he sends them to hell.
So gracious a man indeed.

I see you're drinking from the bottle once again...................troll.

[Glass]

your video link is even more intriguing.... although the possibility of the footage being photoshopped, the guy sounds pretty genuine, IMHO.

In this one he says that there an hologram covers the moon so we cannot see what is going on.
UPDATED Moon Hologram - The Moon is Not What You Think
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_3axPn65MGM

The only question I have if there is an hologram: who is behind it ???

David Icke - The TRUTH about the MOON
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5pfl4prGZIY

So this Crow777 guy says that the movement in the video is him panning his camera, not him panning the video segment. So the panning is not in "post production" but is during the actual filming.

I would love to see some other object there in the blackness so we could see if this refresh line goes across that object too. You can't see in the blackness so we can't conclude from that video that the refresh does not continue out for the whole of the field of view to the edges of the cameras capture area.

but he does have some other videos which show the refresh going at an angle to the square image, captured by the camera. hmmmm. That also suggests it is not something in our atmosphere.

[ximmy]

I see you're drinking from the bottle once again...................troll.

http://memecrunch.com/meme/87LL/tmigitw-on-sending-people-to-hell/image.jpg?w=400&c=1

[Horn]

My conclusion is that it is not possible and we have been lied to about space and our human abilities to go into space or send remote vehicles.

Soon there will be as many hits on Youtube channels, as there are stars in the night sky...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JzYOkbABKQc


The Rad Brad

http://gold-silver.us/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=7467&stc=1

$137,000-$1.38 million (http://socialblade.com/youtube/user/theradbrad) estimated yearly income after YouTube's 45% cut.
2.32 million total subscribers.
756 million total views.
Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/richest-youtube-stars-2014-3?op=1#ixzz3W7QkPLA2

[Glass]

Russians talking about a hologram around the moon/satellite what ever it is.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MKMy9kKGzj0

He got an anonymous email with some links in Russian. Anyone here read Russian?
http://lit.lib.ru/h/hatybow_a_m/lunak.shtml

Lots of angles and pythagerous, pyramids, 3 different races with different genomes. Regular earthikins have 42, the moon people have 43, the sun people have 44.

Interesting stuff on that page. In RED There are a number of statements about conditions of humans on earth during phases of the moon. Apparently women all menstruate at the same time. I've heard the wives tale of women getting in sync when living under the same roof. Chances are it's always like this but because they are living in the same place they notice, compare notes or something.

Also there was these two statements:

Vaccinations under the full moon is doomed to failure

When the full moon worsen lung disease, whooping cough, allergy

For the past several weeks we have had a huge beat up about whooping cough after some child allegedly died from it and was un-vaccinated. Because you can't vaccinate a child under 6 months.

So they have been going all out to gie "FREE" vaccinations to PREGNANT women. Another thing you CANNOT DO with vaccinations. Seems it can be an opportune time to get the most damage done to the unborn is vaccinate the mother during a full moon.

This is going to take some time to decipher. I'm doing it line by line or sentence at a time to make sure it's not getting messed up too much.

[ShortJohnSilver]

Just a note, Intel and many others, sell radiation hardened CPUs. However with NASA's likely push to use everything COTS (off the shelf hardware) it is not likely that they will design custom hardware at that level, as they used to.

Not a great article but it gives an overview:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radiation_hardening

I am on the fence about the Moon landings... just providing add'l info here.

[singular_me]

Glass, seems like you are giving more attention than I, I am glad you enjoy. This is an excellent channel.

small correction, yes most women menstruate at the same time when they dont take any contraceptive pill. ;) planet's energy fields in our solar system (and beyond) influence earth and human's body and psyche. There is a reason as why astrotheology was banned centuries ago. Today it is sciences, epigentic prominent figure Bruce Lipton proves it. One of the major pitfalls of biology is that it has seriously neglected what Lipton calls the "Field". Ayurveda works according to 5 elements' energy and has solid track records of success.

at the end of this video, he says that his next one will address the manipulation of the calendar.... I have subscribed to make sure I wont miss that one. Or maybe it this one: The Encoded Sun... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJPN9687Evs




Russians talking about a hologram around the moon/satellite what ever it is.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MKMy9kKGzj0

He got an anonymous email with some links in Russian. Anyone here read Russian?
http://lit.lib.ru/h/hatybow_a_m/lunak.shtml

Lots of angles and pythagerous, pyramids, 3 different races with different genomes. Regular earthikins have 42, the moon people have 43, the sun people have 44.

Interesting stuff on that page. In RED There are a number of statements about conditions of humans on earth during phases of the moon. Apparently women all menstruate at the same time. I've heard the wives tale of women getting in sync when living under the same roof. Chances are it's always like this but because they are living in the same place they notice, compare notes or something.

Also there was these two statements:



For the past several weeks we have had a huge beat up about whooping cough after some child allegedly died from it and was un-vaccinated. Because you can't vaccinate a child under 6 months.

So they have been going all out to gie "FREE" vaccinations to PREGNANT women. Another thing you CANNOT DO with vaccinations. Seems it can be an opportune time to get the most damage done to the unborn is vaccinate the mother during a full moon.

This is going to take some time to decipher. I'm doing it line by line or sentence at a time to make sure it's not getting messed up too much.

[cheka.]

I thought they blew up the landing site a few years ago when NASA shot missiles at the moon, you know, for science.

it was nukes, no?

here's another classic n-ass-a

http://www.reuters.com/article/2009/07/16/us-nasa-tapes-idUSTRE56F5MK20090716

(Reuters) - The original recordings of the first humans landing on the moon 40 years ago were erased and re-used, but newly restored copies of the original broadcast look even better, NASA officials said on Thursday.

NASA released the first glimpses of a complete digital make-over of the original landing footage that clarifies the blurry and grainy images of Neil Armstrong and Buzz Aldrin walking on the surface of the moon.

[Glass]

at the end of this video, he says that his next one will address the manipulation of the calendar.... I have subscribed to make sure I wont miss that one. Or maybe it this one: The Encoded Sun... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJPN9687Evs

I heard him talk about the calendars. I have a hard time following. I'd like to know more. can you update here when he posts it please?

[Neuro]

Cebu_4_2 - am I logged in wrong? I don't see any link or any photo.

For the whole time I programmed on the Apollo program, I had NO DOUBTS at all. But, then, I only got to watch on TV like everybody else, so I couldn't say for sure anything you could hang your hat on.

The first time I had a teeny little doubt, was during the months AFTER Apollo - I got assigned to do some programming for a project called, "The Van Allan Radiation Belt Studies". That project was going to include several launches with life-forms that would travel a few thousand miles up and back, and have all kinds of test equipment to measure the effects of the radiation on the various life forms. It wasn't till I was well into the programming that it dawned on me that this project was the horse behind the cart - we'd already sent several life forms (astronauts) back and forth, so why hadn't they taken those measurements then? And, I wondered, why didn't they do these tests BEFORE sending astronauts back and forth?

I never got an answer, and I mostly forgot about it, but, then later, what with all these doubting Thomases, I remembered that out-of-place project, so, my doubts got revived. They will all be easily put to rest when they show us a really good, independently verifiable, photo of that flag on that pole at that site ON THE MOON!
Wow! You were an actual programmer at the Apollo missions? What part was it you were programming? I think what you told about only seeing the mission on TV-screens, like everyone else, does suggest that probably +99% of those involved with the mission couldn't know either way, whether it was real or faked. But as you said doing the life form survivability test of the Van Allen Radiation Belts AFTER the lunar missions is putting the cart before the horse. Please let us know if you remember any other anomaly re the Apollo missions...

Thanks a lot for sharing!

[singular_me]

lying about the moon landing, the paramount that should motivate not only all inquiries about the moon but mars too... I really like this guy's investigations.

Mars - How Long Can The Truth Be Hidden?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a2OASPsCr2s




I heard him talk about the calendars. I have a hard time following. I'd like to know more. can you update here when he posts it please?

[Norweger]

http://www.panoramas.dk/fullscreen3/apollo_lm.jpg

Seems legit.

[Neuro]

http://www.panoramas.dk/fullscreen3/apollo_lm.jpg

Seems legit.
Looks like a science high school project...
first you have that charred foil, just beneath the quad control rockets in the middle of the lunar lander. One of the rockets if used would surely rip it apart immediatelly... Then you have the metal sheets covering the lunar module, very buckled and ill fitting. What is the purpose of those? They look like they let more in than contain and protect. Next a small thing, but if you look at the space suit of the astronaut above his right boot. It is torn! Then of course you don't see any evidence of a blast from the main rocket, no sand on the feet of the lunar lander, how is that possible?...

[7th trump]

Looks like a science high school project...
first you have that charred foil, just beneath the quad control rockets in the middle of the lunar lander. One of the rockets if used would surely rip it apart immediatelly... Then you have the metal sheets covering the lunar module, very buckled and ill fitting. What is the purpose of those? They look like they let more in than contain and protect. Next a small thing, but if you look at the space suit of the astronaut above his right boot. It is torn! Then of course you don't see any evidence of a blast from the main rocket, no sand on the feet of the lunar lander, how is that possible?...

I dont beleive the quad control rockets used combustian as a propulsion..... I believe its conpressed air nossles to guide the craft to dock properly.
That doesnt look to be a rip in the suit, but a shadow from a wrinkle.
Again I dont think they used combustion to land the lander. I believe the main rocket is to escape moon gravity and slow down way before final contact when landing on the moon.

But then again I'm not infected with conspiracies either like most on this site.

[ximmy]

But then again I'm not infected with conspiracies either like most on this site.

You're infected with bad religion.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/a/a8/Bad_Religion_Infected.jpg

[Neuro]

You're infected with bad religion.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/a/a8/Bad_Religion_Infected.jpg
For that his God will allow him to torture you in hell for many year!

[Dogman]

For that his God will allow him to torture you in hell for many year!

For him to torture someone he would need to be in the same place as the victim, so if one is in hell the other must be also!

Sounds fitting, considering the background shown so far!

Maybe they lit Ponce's cake in doors!

;)

[Jerrylynnb]

I was assigned to an effort called the "Ground Support Simulation Computer" (GSSC), which consisted of about 100 mainframe assembler and fortran programmers. Our job was to drive the telemetry parameters for the many simulations (called "SIMS") so as to train the scores of mission controllers at NASA. I was never part of the mission programmers. The SIMS we programmed for were big deals, costing lots of money, and were essential to train the controllers. We spent over half of the effort programming for what we called "fault scenarios", which were imagined failures of one or more components, designed to train the mission controllers on how to react to something going wrong during a mission. NASA reviewed, and made suggestions concerning, the multitude of fault scenarios we would program for, which would then be invoked during the many SIMS.

During this time, I would have scoffed at any such outlandish notion that the whole moon landing was fake - there was humongous amounts of money being spent and we could all see that Saturn V rocket lying on its side on our way to NASA for the many meetings we attended. One of my co-workers got a free trip to the Cape to witness a launch (good worker award or something like that). There were engineers from all over the world - it is ridiculous to think the whole thing was a fake. But, I have to admit, none of us could really tell what exactly was INSIDE the command module when it lifted off the Cape. But I never questioned it, not even for a minute.

It was much later, when I saw, on the 'net, the ideas of the doubting Thomases, that I had to think back and I decided the best way to shut these doubters up was to just take a photo of that FLAG! I was pretty sure someone at NASA would do just that - it was only after realizing that no such photo had been made, and, the example they put out was an obvious blurred phony, that I began to wonder what was wrong. Why wouldn't they just photograph the FLAG? It seemed to me like that ought to be very simple, and it would put to shame anyone still doubting the lunar missions. So, the only basis I really have for any doubts, is due to the absence of a verifiable later photo of the FLAG.

Rather than go on speculating endlessly, I'll just wait to see - sooner or later, somebody (Japan, China, Russia, ???) will have a lunar satellite pass by and give us all a good photo of that site - then we'll all know for sure - that event will be decisive: No flag? - no men on the moon. Flag? - men really went to the moon.

[Cebu_4_2]

I have a bunch of Apollo glasses that I want to put on ebay. I wont say that they never made it though.

[Horn]

I wont say that they never made it though.

If you believe there's nothing up their sleeves, Then nothing is cool.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lf6vCjtaV1k

[Horn]

http://www.moon.com.co/photo/titanium_map.jpg

Chinese scientists unveil most detailed moon map yet

http://159.226.88.30:8080/CE2release/cesMain.jsp

[Glass]

they have apollo 11 (Tranquility Base, 12, 14 & 16 landing sites pinned on their map there. Can't see a flag though. Not enough resolution to see any objects left behind.

[Serpo]

but but but but I saw it on TTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVV

[Norweger]

Looks like a science high school project...
first you have that charred foil, just beneath the quad control rockets in the middle of the lunar lander. One of the rockets if used would surely rip it apart immediatelly... Then you have the metal sheets covering the lunar module, very buckled and ill fitting. What is the purpose of those? They look like they let more in than contain and protect. Next a small thing, but if you look at the space suit of the astronaut above his right boot. It is torn! Then of course you don't see any evidence of a blast from the main rocket, no sand on the feet of the lunar lander, how is that possible?...

It's possible because it's all a giant scam. Most people are in deep denial about all this. I'd say the moonlanding hoax is protected even more than the holohoax.

Ever notice how if you don't believe in something the broad masses believe to be true some pleb will come out and say: "oh yeah? maybe you don't believe in the moon landing as well?"

That thing we are looking at is just an aluminum frame, paper, mylar and some tubes. It's a prop.

[singular_me]

it is obvious that the "green screen" hadnt been invented yet


http://www.panoramas.dk/fullscreen3/apollo_lm.jpg

Seems legit.

[Neuro]

http://www.moon.com.co/photo/titanium_map.jpg

Chinese scientists unveil most detailed moon map yet

http://159.226.88.30:8080/CE2release/cesMain.jsp
Fascinating that almost all titanium oxide ended up on the close side of the moon, close to the equator. I thought it was odd, as titanium is a very light metal, but the titanium oxide weighs in at 4.3g/cm3... http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Titanium_dioxide

The map gave me an idea though, compare the chemical composition of the dust samples collected at the landing sites with the chemical composition of this new Chinese map, it shouldn't differ too much...

[Neuro]

Lemme start da instigation!http://www.eng.auburn.edu/~dbeale/ESMDCourse/img2F.gif
here da moon man:
http://science.nasa.gov/media/medialibrary/2005/07/01/11jul_lroc_resources/landingsites_600.jpg

[Neuro]

Just eyeballing the map I would say it looks likely that Apollo 16 would be in an area of low concentration of TiO2, and the rest of the missions in medium or high concentrations of TiO2. And the Apollo sample data seems to confirm this...

[Neuro]

it is obvious that the "green screen" hadnt been invented yet
I just saw that the shadow of the lunar lander almost went to the Horizon. And since all landing sites were pretty much around the middle of the solar facing part of the moon, the only reason for a shadow reaching to the horizon is if you land close to a steep ridge on a mountainside. Which I believe they consciously tried to avoid doing for technical reasons. The other option is that it was taken in a studio, and the shadow went all the way to the wall almost...

[Horn]

That thing we are looking at is just an aluminum frame, paper, mylar and some tubes. It's a prop.

A prop would've been better looking. Shoddy lightweight's a preflight parameter, and the individual bent ugliness deliberate much the same as blow away armor on a modern tank. A good homemade sling shot should escape lunar gravity.

http://gold-silver.us/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=7474&stc=1
Evolution (or in this case intelligent design) of the Lunar Module (Image credit:NASA)

http://www.armaghplanet.com/blog/nasas-lunar-module-everything-you-need-to-know.html

[jimswift]

http://www.panoramas.dk/fullscreen3/apollo_lm.jpg

Seems legit.

First thing about this pic to me is that the horizon falls off quick, like the moon isn't very large.

Then, the moon dust looks like it's extremely fine and would make a hellacious mess if disturbed. Why isn't it on every F'n thing?

I've seen one of these things in the Smithsonian when I was a kid, and I remember back then thinking 'how did this thing make it?...it's all chintzy foil and square'.

[Horn]

They shot a bullet up there to examine dust, possibly it has some means of electro-static transport to the darkside's horizon.

No atmosphere to support it, but clingon.

[Cebu_4_2]

http://www.panoramas.dk/fullscreen3/apollo_lm.jpg

Seems legit.

The televits was still a pretty new invention back then, the race to the Moon was broadcast and in print everywhere. People were excited and totally brainwashed then as they are now. There was no clue of disinformation, no clue what that even was. I watched it and that was the same time they did the last commercials for cigarettes. Those commercials were on during the televised lunar landings every break, so the people watching were seeing the landings and walk on the moon along with pro and negative tobacco commercials. Bombarded with conflicting issue with the added lunar walk could blind almost anyone at the time. I was there watching this shit on my parents televitz. It was real then and still lives in my memory.

[singular_me]

the next hoax?

ISS Hoax - The International Space Station Does Not Exist!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S5d7tXEVW9o



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kgt3V-2xPFU

[ximmy]

the next hoax?

ISS Hoax - The International Space Station Does Not Exist!


Although I am very skeptical about any manned moon landing, there have been many amateur astronomers who have photographed something like the ISS up there.

http://media.techeblog.com/images/amateur_astronomer.jpg


In honor of the Shuttle Discovery undocking from the ISS today (scheduled for 15:53 Eastern time), I present to you Ralf Vandebergh (http://alpo-j.asahikawa-med.ac.jp/kk09/o090320z.htm), who is a very skilled astrophotographer. How skilled? Yeah, this skilled:


http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/files/2009/03/iss_fromground.jpg (http://alpo-j.asahikawa-med.ac.jp/kk09/o090320z.htm)


That shot, taken on March 20, shows the Space Shuttle Discovery docked with the International Space Station… taken from the ground. Vandebergh used a 25 cm telescope with a video camera to get this shot; he tracked the telescope by hand using an ordinary finder ‘scope mounted on the side.
Although the image is fuzzy — the placement of the Shuttle and ISS in the sky wasn’t optimal — the detail is incredible. I found a diagram on the NASA site with a drawing of the Shuttle docked to the ISS. Though it’s not perfect, the angles approximate what Vandebergh got, and you can identify structures:
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3630/3383429028_d2dec2a103.jpg

http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/03/25/shuttle-and-station-imaged-from-the-ground/#.VR9Nh-FQBpA (http://www.flickr.com/photos/badastronomy/3383429028/sizes/o/)

[singular_me]

in the 1st vid at 57mins it is said that ISS could be a blue beam hologram. Many valid points are raised, definitely a must watch


Although I am very skeptical about any manned moon landing, there have been many amateur astronomers who have photographed something like the ISS up there.

http://media.techeblog.com/images/amateur_astronomer.jpg

[ximmy]

in the 1st vid it is said that ISS could be blue beam hologram. Many valid points are raised, definitely a must watch

I watched most of both vids...
2nd vid say's it is probably up there, but empty. :(??

[Glass]

that comes back to my question about objects. They are either very very small or far far away. Which is it?

I also heard, given the speed of the thing that it could be pretty hard to photograph. I don't know the reality of that. I know that ham radio operators do satellite bouncing and build tracking devices that keep their antenna on it's target. Ham operators also regularly talk with the ISS crew. Assuming the crew is up above us and not somewhere else. The frequency range used which I think is either 2meter or 70cm, tends to indicate the ISS receiver is certainly above the earth.

[singular_me]

havent watched the 2nd yet... empty, that is a good twist too


I watched most of both vids...
2nd vid say's it is probably up there, but empty. :(??

[Horn]

empty, that is a good twist too

https://c2.staticflickr.com/4/3288/2961175776_b341ca0fc5.jpg

[Glass]

it could be a model? is it very very small or far far away?

[Horn]

is it very very small or far far away?

https://c2.staticflickr.com/4/3288/2961175776_b341ca0fc5.jpg

[Glass]

could be a combination of both.

there doesn't seem to be much amateur photography of it. Some but mostly seems to come from observatories.

[ximmy]

http://septclues.com/SPACE%20SHUTTLE/Challenger_flight_51-l_crew.jpg



I would like to invite our readers to assess and evaluate for themselves whether or not it is a realistic possibility that (almost) ALL of the purported victims of the 1986 "Challenger disaster" are still alive and well - by reading the last four pages or so of this thread, starting from here (http://cluesforum.info/viewtopic.php?p=2393699#p2393699) - including this present post, which I submit as a 'summary' of sorts. I find this particular line of research quite interesting, insofar that it may help us all understand the mechanisms of 'psy-op vicsim creation' - as well as the astonishing boldness (or carelessness / arrogance?) with which they are concocted and carried out. To be sure, out of the many topics debated on Cluesforum, this particular investigation has had (as they always should) its fair share of controversies - even within the ranks of our most trusted contributors; I think that this 'check-and-balance-methodology' we keep observing on this forum is all-positive and, in fact, essential to uphold a high level of discourse and objectivity. So thanks to all.

http://www.cluesforum.info/viewtopic.php?t=935&p=2395059

Surprise! The 1986 “Dead Challenger Crew” Still Alive And Well..


Saturday, April 18, 2015 11:51

Let me now take you through the latest findings concerning the “Challenger crew” which supposedly perished back in 1986. So far, we have been concentrating on the two lady “crew members”, Judith Resnik and Sharon ‘Christa’ Mc Auliffe.

We have seen that the two “female NASA martyrs” appear to be still alive and well, both enjoying successful Law University positions and careers – while (astonishingly enough) still using pretty much their own names – i.e. the names & surnames with which they briefly became international celebrities – as the “NASA martyrs of the Challenger disaster”.

So what about the five male members of the “ill-fated crew”?

Well, it so appears that four of them may possibly also still be quite alive and well – but let’s take a look at them, one by one… Read More Here… (http://beforeitsnews.com/r2/?url=http://www.cluesforum.info/viewtopic.php?t=935&p=2395059#p2395059)

[BarnkleBob]

69 miles.... thats as high as man or any of his vehicles can go! PERIOD!

End of story.... DYODD

[Horn]

69 miles....

Bob missed the 66666 vortex thread.. lol

[Ares]

http://septclues.com/SPACE%20SHUTTLE/Challenger_flight_51-l_crew.jpg



I would like to invite our readers to assess and evaluate for themselves whether or not it is a realistic possibility that (almost) ALL of the purported victims of the 1986 "Challenger disaster" are still alive and well - by reading the last four pages or so of this thread, starting from here (http://cluesforum.info/viewtopic.php?p=2393699#p2393699) - including this present post, which I submit as a 'summary' of sorts. I find this particular line of research quite interesting, insofar that it may help us all understand the mechanisms of 'psy-op vicsim creation' - as well as the astonishing boldness (or carelessness / arrogance?) with which they are concocted and carried out. To be sure, out of the many topics debated on Cluesforum, this particular investigation has had (as they always should) its fair share of controversies - even within the ranks of our most trusted contributors; I think that this 'check-and-balance-methodology' we keep observing on this forum is all-positive and, in fact, essential to uphold a high level of discourse and objectivity. So thanks to all.

http://www.cluesforum.info/viewtopic.php?t=935&p=2395059

Surprise! The 1986 “Dead Challenger Crew” Still Alive And Well..


Saturday, April 18, 2015 11:51

Let me now take you through the latest findings concerning the “Challenger crew” which supposedly perished back in 1986. So far, we have been concentrating on the two lady “crew members”, Judith Resnik and Sharon ‘Christa’ Mc Auliffe.

We have seen that the two “female NASA martyrs” appear to be still alive and well, both enjoying successful Law University positions and careers – while (astonishingly enough) still using pretty much their own names – i.e. the names & surnames with which they briefly became international celebrities – as the “NASA martyrs of the Challenger disaster”.

So what about the five male members of the “ill-fated crew”?

Well, it so appears that four of them may possibly also still be quite alive and well – but let’s take a look at them, one by one… Read More Here… (http://beforeitsnews.com/r2/?url=http://www.cluesforum.info/viewtopic.php?t=935&p=2395059#p2395059)




The black guy has a gap between his front teeth while the NASA astronaut there is no such gap. I'm calling BS.

[Cebu_4_2]

Thanks for sayin what I was thinkin...

[singular_me]

:) waiting

Russians to Investigate Whether America Really Landed on the Moon

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pL4Pq_vaI2s

[Joshua01]

I'm kinda curious myself!
:) waiting

Russians to Investigate Whether America Really Landed on the Moon

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pL4Pq_vaI2s

[madfranks]

:) waiting

Russians to Investigate Whether America Really Landed on the Moon


I have my doubts, but honestly what this will do will cause even more Americans to call even louder for war with Russia. For too many, questioning our most cherished beliefs (which the moon landing is certainly one of) warrants a war like aggressive response.

[Joshua01]

I don't know any Americans screaming for war with Russia. You're not a CNN watcher, are you? You don't strike me as the type. :o ;D

I have my doubts, but honestly what this will do will cause even more Americans to call even louder for war with Russia. For too many, questioning our most cherished beliefs (which the moon landing is certainly one of) warrants a war like aggressive response.

[crimethink]

I don't know any Americans screaming for war with Russia. You're not a CNN watcher, are you? You don't strike me as the type. :o ;D

There are plenty of them. "We cannot allow Russia to control our 'democracy,' and we have to make them pay for their rigging of our election!"

Plenty of supposedly peaceful leftists say that. And not only on FNN.

[Joshua01]

Yep, all in the inner cites. The same cesspools that harbor the degenerates and perverts the jews have created. The good news is they're fairly well concentrated in a relatively few centralized areas. In other words they're surrounded! :)

There are plenty of them. "We cannot allow Russia to control our 'democracy,' and we have to make them pay for their rigging of our election!"

Plenty of supposedly peaceful leftists say that. And not only on FNN.

[madfranks]

I don't know any Americans screaming for war with Russia. You're not a CNN watcher, are you? You don't strike me as the type. :o ;D

Sadly, some of my old church friends on Facebook have turned super liberal over the years, and yes even as proclaimed Christians they want to see Russia pay for "hacking the election." If/when Russia declares their investigation shows the moon landing was fake, these same folks will want Russia to pay even more.

[Joshua01]

There's so much insanity in society...to much to overcome forever. The insanity always seems to take down civilization after civilization and we never learn from past mistakes!
Sadly, some of my old church friends on Facebook have turned super liberal over the years, and yes even as proclaimed Christians they want to see Russia pay for "hacking the election." If/when Russia declares their investigation shows the moon landing was fake, these same folks will want Russia to pay even more.

[singular_me]

when Hollywood speaks the obvious. Not about the belt but the Apollo missions, though I personally believe that they have today the means to travel space, or are getting very close to

The Movie Interstellar released in 2014 | You Don't Believe We went to the Moon Movie Scene

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MpKUBHz6MB4


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MpKUBHz6MB4