Ohhh California...

[EE_]

why haven't you prepared for this?

California Is Turning Back Into A Desert And There Are No Contingency Plans
Submitted by Tyler Durden on 03/16/2015 22:45 -0400

Submitted by Michael Snyder via The Economic Collapse blog,

Once upon a time, much of the state of California was a barren desert. And now, thanks to the worst drought in modern American history, much of the state is turning back into one. Scientists tell us that the 20th century was the wettest century that the state of California had seen in 1000 years. But now weather patterns are reverting back to historical norms, and California is rapidly running out of water. It is being reported that the state only has approximately a one year supply of water left in the reservoirs, and when the water is all gone there are no contingency plans. Back in early 2014, California Governor Jerry Brown declared a drought emergency for the entire state, but since that time water usage has only dropped by 9 percent. That is not nearly enough. The state of California has been losing more than 12 million acre-feet of total water a year since 2011, and we are quickly heading toward an extremely painful water crisis unlike anything that any of us have ever seen before.

But don’t take my word for it. According to the Los Angeles Times, Jay Famiglietti “is the senior water scientist at the NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory/Caltech and a professor of Earth system science at UC Irvine”. What he has to say about the horrific drought in California is extremely sobering…

As our “wet” season draws to a close, it is clear that the paltry rain and snowfall have done almost nothing to alleviate epic drought conditions. January was the driest in California since record-keeping began in 1895. Groundwater and snowpack levels are at all-time lows. We’re not just up a creek without a paddle in California, we’re losing the creek too.

Data from NASA satellites show that the total amount of water stored in the Sacramento and San Joaquin river basins — that is, all of the snow, river and reservoir water, water in soils and groundwater combined — was 34 million acre-feet below normal in 2014. That loss is nearly 1.5 times the capacity of Lake Mead, America’s largest reservoir.

Statewide, we’ve been dropping more than 12 million acre-feet of total water yearly since 2011. Roughly two-thirds of these losses are attributable to groundwater pumping for agricultural irrigation in the Central Valley. Farmers have little choice but to pump more groundwater during droughts, especially when their surface water allocations have been slashed 80% to 100%. But these pumping rates are excessive and unsustainable. Wells are running dry. In some areas of the Central Valley, the land is sinking by one foot or more per year.
Are you starting to understand why so many experts are so alarmed?

For much more from Famiglietti, check out this 60 Minutes interview.

According to the U.S. Drought Monitor, essentially the entire state is suffering drought conditions right now. And as you can see from the map below, most of the state is currently experiencing either the highest or the second-highest classification of drought…

Nearly 40 million people live in the state of California at the moment.

What are they all going to do when the water is gone?

In some rural areas, reservoirs are already nearly bone dry. And in other areas, the water quality has gone way down. For example, in one Southern California neighborhood black water is now coming out of the taps…

Residents of a Southern California neighborhood are concerned about the fact that the water flowing out of the taps in their homes is the color black. That’s right; the water coming out of their faucets is indeed black — not gray, not cloudy — but black. Inky, opaque black water that the water company says is okay to drink.

Those who live in Gardena, California, are understandably skeptical when asked to consume water that strongly resembles crude oil or something emitted by a squid. The water reportedly also has an “odor of rotten eggs or sewer smell,” according to one resident.
Perhaps you don’t care about what happens to California.

Perhaps you believe that they are just getting what they deserve.

And you might be right about that.

But the truth is that this is a crisis for all of us, because an enormous amount of our fresh produce is grown in the state.

As I discussed in a previous article, the rest of the nation is very heavily dependent on the fruits and vegetables grown in California. The following numbers represent California’s contribution to our overall production…

-99 percent of the artichokes

-44 percent of asparagus

-two-thirds of carrots

-half of bell peppers

-89 percent of cauliflower

-94 percent of broccoli

-95 percent of celery

-90 percent of the leaf lettuce

-83 percent of Romaine lettuce

-83 percent of fresh spinach

-a third of the fresh tomatoes

-86 percent of lemons

-90 percent of avocados

-84 percent of peaches

-88 percent of fresh strawberries

-97 percent of fresh plums

Without the agricultural production of the state of California, we are in a massive amount of trouble.

And of course there are other areas all over the globe that are going through similar things. For instance, taps in Rio de Janeiro and Sao Paolo are running dry as Brazil experiences the worst drought that it has seen in 80 years.

The world simply does not have enough fresh water left at this point, and that is why water is being called “the new oil”. The following comes from CBS News…

It’s been said that the wars of the 21st century may well be fought over water. The Earth’s population has more than doubled over the last 50 years and the demand for fresh water — to drink and to grow food — has surged along with it. But sources of water like rainfall, rivers, streams, reservoirs, certainly haven’t doubled. So where is all that extra water coming from? More and more, it’s being pumped out of the ground.

Water experts say groundwater is like a savings account — something you draw on in times of need. But savings accounts need to be replenished, and there is new evidence that so much water is being taken out, much of the world is in danger of a groundwater overdraft.
And if scientists are right, what we are experiencing right now may just be the very beginning of our problems. In fact, one team of researchers has concluded that the Southwestern United States is headed for a “megadrought” that could last for decades…

Scientists had already found that the Southwestern United States were at great risk of experiencing a significant megadrought (in this case meaning drought conditions that last for over 35 years) before the end of the 21st century. But a new study published in Science Advances added some grim context to those predictions.

Columbia University climate scientists Jason Smerdon and Benjamin Cook, and Cornell University’s Toby Ault were co-authors on the study. They took data from tree rings and other environmental records of climate from the Southwest and compared them to the projections of 17 different climate models that look at precipitation and soil moisture. When they made the comparison between past and future, they found that all the models agreed: the next big megadrought is coming, and it will be way worse than anything we’ve seen in over 1,000 years–including droughts that have been credited with wiping out civilizations.
Needless to say, along with any water crisis comes a food crisis.

Virtually everything that we eat requires a tremendous amount of water to grow. And at this point, the world is already eating more food than it produces most years.

So what is going to happen to us as this water crisis gets even worse?
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-03-16/california-turning-back-desert-and-there-are-no-contingency-plans

[Shami-Amourae]

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[Neuro]

It was just a mirage...

[madfranks]

http://teapartyeconomist.com/2015/03/14/rationing-the-bureaucrats-solution/

Water Rationing: The Bureaucrat’s Solution

California does not get much rain these days. Rain has been getting less and less, year after year.

The residents need to consume less water. But which residents? Living where? Cities? Farms?

There is a solution: raise prices. Then let people decide how much they are willing to consume. Those who are willing to pay for more water will be allowed to. Use the higher revenues to develop solutions.

The experts reject this idea. That would mean that poor people will compete with rich people. The horror!

Here is an expert’s opinion. He is on the state’s payroll: a state university professor. He calls for rationing by officials.

Rationing is the knee-jerk reaction of water experts everywhere: increase the power of bureaucrats over all people.

There is a plan. It is of course titled “Sustainable” — the Sustainable Groundwater Management Act. Note: “sustainable” is a code word for “environmentalism forever.”

Several steps need be taken right now. First, immediate mandatory water rationing should be authorized across all of the state’s water sectors, from domestic and municipal through agricultural and industrial. The Metropolitan Water District of Southern California is already considering water rationing by the summer unless conditions improve. There is no need for the rest of the state to hesitate. The public is ready. A recent Field Poll showed that 94% of Californians surveyed believe that the drought is serious, and that one-third support mandatory rationing.

I see. Two-thirds of the voters do not support mandatory rationing; therefore, the state should impose mandatory rationing. This is democracy, as understood by bureaucrats.

Second, the implementation of the Sustainable Groundwater Management Act of 2014 should be accelerated. The law requires the formation of numerous, regional groundwater sustainability agencies by 2017. Then each agency must adopt a plan by 2022 and “achieve sustainability” 20 years after that. At that pace, it will be nearly 30 years before we even know what is working. By then, there may be no groundwater left to sustain.

I see. Lifetime rationing. Lifetime planning. We know the drill. “A crisis is a terrible thing to waste.”

Total water storage in California has been in steady decline since at least 2002 … while groundwater depletion has been ongoing since the early 20th century.

Let me understand this. Supply is falling. Demand is increasing. What might solve this? Rationing!

Then there is need for a task force. There is always a need for a task force. The phrase “task force” is bureaucratese for “study group appointed by the governor.”

Third, the state needs a task force of thought leaders that starts, right now, brainstorming to lay the groundwork for long-term water management strategies. Although several state task forces have been formed in response to the drought, none is focused on solving the long-term needs of a drought-prone, perennially water-stressed California.

“Thought leaders” means “senior bureaucrats who favor expanding the power of state bureaucracies.”

How long will this control last? For as long as the future is “harrowing.” The key word here is “perennially.” It means “permanently.”

Our state’s water management is complex, but the technology and expertise exist to handle this harrowing future. It will require major changes in policy and infrastructure that could take decades to identify and act upon. Today, not tomorrow, is the time to begin.

Note: “expertise” means “an entire career spent on the state’s payroll.”

The public must take ownership. Note: “public” means “voters,” as distinguished from “property owners.” Also, “take ownership” means “surrender control.”

Finally, the public must take ownership of this issue. This crisis belongs to all of us — not just to a handful of decision-makers. Water is our most important, commonly owned resource, but the public remains detached from discussions and decisions.

This process works just fine when water is in abundance. In times of crisis, however, we must demand that planning for California’s water security be an honest, transparent and forward-looking process. Most important, we must make sure that there is in fact a plan.

In short, a commonly owned resource, meaning state-owned, must be separated from the price system. A task force of experts can then formulate a plan to hand over permanent control — sustainable — over the resource to permanent committees. This is what the public — one third of the voters — want.

Meanwhile, the public has only only one option to rationing: pray for rain. Not on the water table: a price system.

California has no contingency plan for a persistent drought like this one (let alone a 20-plus-year mega-drought), except, apparently, staying in emergency mode and praying for rain.

For a bureaucrat, there are two choices: pray or submit to lifetime bureaucracy. The price system is never an option.

If the price system is not an option, then I recommend prayer rather than bureaucracy. A prayer might be answered with abundance. With bureaucracy, abundance is never an option.

[Cebu_4_2]

Couldn't have anything at all to do with all the spraying and geo manipulation... didn't think so.

[aeondaze]

Rationing, once implemented will not be there forever.

Where I live during 2007 we had the lowest dam levels in history. It was getting to the point where people were talking that a major city of 3 million was going to be a ghost town if something was not done. Fast forward four years to 2011 when we had MAJOR flooding in the same city because of controlled releasing as the dams levels were getting dangerously high from a prolonged and serious rain event.

It takes just one of these events to fill the dams, aquifers though are a different story.

When the water rationing began the first thing that the private water companies did was raise prices. When the rationing ceased what remained were higher prices.

[EE_]

http://teapartyeconomist.com/2015/03/14/rationing-the-bureaucrats-solution/

Water Rationing: The Bureaucrat’s Solution

California does not get much rain these days. Rain has been getting less and less, year after year.

The residents need to consume less water. But which residents? Living where? Cities? Farms?

There is a solution: raise prices. Then let people decide how much they are willing to consume. Those who are willing to pay for more water will be allowed to. Use the higher revenues to develop solutions.

The experts reject this idea. That would mean that poor people will compete with rich people. The horror!

Here is an expert’s opinion. He is on the state’s payroll: a state university professor. He calls for rationing by officials.

Rationing is the knee-jerk reaction of water experts everywhere: increase the power of bureaucrats over all people.

There is a plan. It is of course titled “Sustainable” — the Sustainable Groundwater Management Act. Note: “sustainable” is a code word for “environmentalism forever.”

Several steps need be taken right now. First, immediate mandatory water rationing should be authorized across all of the state’s water sectors, from domestic and municipal through agricultural and industrial. The Metropolitan Water District of Southern California is already considering water rationing by the summer unless conditions improve. There is no need for the rest of the state to hesitate. The public is ready. A recent Field Poll showed that 94% of Californians surveyed believe that the drought is serious, and that one-third support mandatory rationing.

I see. Two-thirds of the voters do not support mandatory rationing; therefore, the state should impose mandatory rationing. This is democracy, as understood by bureaucrats.

Second, the implementation of the Sustainable Groundwater Management Act of 2014 should be accelerated. The law requires the formation of numerous, regional groundwater sustainability agencies by 2017. Then each agency must adopt a plan by 2022 and “achieve sustainability” 20 years after that. At that pace, it will be nearly 30 years before we even know what is working. By then, there may be no groundwater left to sustain.

I see. Lifetime rationing. Lifetime planning. We know the drill. “A crisis is a terrible thing to waste.”

Total water storage in California has been in steady decline since at least 2002 … while groundwater depletion has been ongoing since the early 20th century.

Let me understand this. Supply is falling. Demand is increasing. What might solve this? Rationing!

Then there is need for a task force. There is always a need for a task force. The phrase “task force” is bureaucratese for “study group appointed by the governor.”

Third, the state needs a task force of thought leaders that starts, right now, brainstorming to lay the groundwork for long-term water management strategies. Although several state task forces have been formed in response to the drought, none is focused on solving the long-term needs of a drought-prone, perennially water-stressed California.

“Thought leaders” means “senior bureaucrats who favor expanding the power of state bureaucracies.”

How long will this control last? For as long as the future is “harrowing.” The key word here is “perennially.” It means “permanently.”

Our state’s water management is complex, but the technology and expertise exist to handle this harrowing future. It will require major changes in policy and infrastructure that could take decades to identify and act upon. Today, not tomorrow, is the time to begin.

Note: “expertise” means “an entire career spent on the state’s payroll.”

The public must take ownership. Note: “public” means “voters,” as distinguished from “property owners.” Also, “take ownership” means “surrender control.”

Finally, the public must take ownership of this issue. This crisis belongs to all of us — not just to a handful of decision-makers. Water is our most important, commonly owned resource, but the public remains detached from discussions and decisions.

This process works just fine when water is in abundance. In times of crisis, however, we must demand that planning for California’s water security be an honest, transparent and forward-looking process. Most important, we must make sure that there is in fact a plan.

In short, a commonly owned resource, meaning state-owned, must be separated from the price system. A task force of experts can then formulate a plan to hand over permanent control — sustainable — over the resource to permanent committees. This is what the public — one third of the voters — want.

Meanwhile, the public has only only one option to rationing: pray for rain. Not on the water table: a price system.

California has no contingency plan for a persistent drought like this one (let alone a 20-plus-year mega-drought), except, apparently, staying in emergency mode and praying for rain.

For a bureaucrat, there are two choices: pray or submit to lifetime bureaucracy. The price system is never an option.

If the price system is not an option, then I recommend prayer rather than bureaucracy. A prayer might be answered with abundance. With bureaucracy, abundance is never an option.


I thought I'd elaborate a little more on the authors definitions...

Government terminology definitions:

Water Rationing
A government law enforced with threat of death.

Bureaucrat
A government employee that implements government policy on people by deciding where to send enforcers to use threat of death.

Sustainable
Government control enforced by threat of death.

Agency
A group of government employees that enforce policy law, and informs thugs to use of threat of death.

Task Force
Government goons called by the agency to go out to enforce laws with the threat of death.

Thought Leaders
Government employees that tell Bureaucrats where to enforce laws, by threat of death.

Perennially
It means permanently in government control, under threat of death.

Expertise
Government parasites that spend all their time thinking of new ways to implement threats of death.

Public
Useless eaters that are to be controlled by threat of death.

Commonly Owned Resource
Government owned resource. If the public thinks they have a stake in a commonly owned resource, they will be shown they don't, by threat of death.

[Ponce]

And it looks to me that Oregon will be next.........we haven't had one iota of snow this year, or last year, the mountains are bare of any snow...this tells me that is going to be a very dry summer and that there will be water wars, specially with those who are growing marijuana.................In 2014 more illegals moved to the state of Oregon than to any other state in the US (even California), the first two month of 2015 more people moved to seven states in the US with Oregon being one of them.

The problem here not what will happen when we are low on water but rather where will all this people will be going to WTSHTF, I am afraid that they will be coming in this direction, towards my small town........city hall refuses to hear me out and unless we make plans today then there will be no tomorrow.

V

[chad]

And it looks to me that Oregon will be next.........we haven't had one iota of snow this year, or last year, the mountains are bare of any snow...this tells me that is going to be a very dry summer and that there will be water wars, specially with those who are growing marijuana.................In 2014 more illegals moved to the state of Oregon than to any other state in the US (even California), the first two month of 2015 more people moved to seven states in the US with Oregon being one of them.

The problem here not what will happen when we are low on water but rather where will all this people will be going to WTSHTF, I am afraid that they will be coming in this direction, towards my small town........city hall refuses to hear me out and unless we make plans today then there will be no tomorrow.

V

if they stopped giving the big ag companies hugely discounted water rates, this problem would fix itself inside of 1 week.

[madfranks]

if they stopped giving the big ag companies hugely discounted water rates, this problem would fix itself inside of 1 week.

Exactly. Let honest bidding drive the price of water to realistic rates, and people will adjust their consumption accordingly.

[EE_]

Exactly. Let honest bidding drive the price of water to realistic rates, and people will adjust their consumption accordingly.

It's really a tough situation. If rates get too high, only the rich will be able to afford water.

If it's a tiered system...every person gets an allotted amount, after that the price jumps again and again.
Say each person in a home gets 1,000 gallons a month, a Mexican home gets 25,000 gallons a month and a white family gets 2,000 to 5,000 a month. Then the Mexican family buys a water tank to put on their pickup truck, fills it with their allotment and sells it on the street.

How do you allot water to business. Some businesses require a lot of water and some hardly any.

Doesn't seem any fair way?

[Cebu_4_2]

it's really a tough situation. If rates get too high, only the rich will be able to afford water.

If it's a tiered system...every person gets an allotted amount, after that the price jumps again and again.
Say each person in a home gets 1,000 gallons a month, a mexican home gets 25,000 gallons a month and a white family gets 2,000 to 5,000 a month. Then the mexican family buys a water tank to put on their pickup truck, fills it with their allotment and sells it on the street.

How do you allot water to business. Some businesses require a lot of water and some hardly any.

Doesn't seem any fair way?

lmao!

[EE_]

lmao!

Funny you laugh, but thats just what will happen! :)

Recreational use of water should be taxed at the highest rate.
Water parks and golf cources should be shut down, or they can buy their water from the roadside Mexican water sellers.

[ximmy]

quantitative easing (For the wealthy). The wealthy buy up the land, rent it back to the peasants. Understand?

posted in wrong thread. goes over here ---> http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?82561-What-s-wrong-with-this-picture

[madfranks]

It's really a tough situation. If rates get too high, only the rich will be able to afford water.

If it's a tiered system...every person gets an allotted amount, after that the price jumps again and again.
Say each person in a home gets 1,000 gallons a month, a Mexican home gets 25,000 gallons a month and a white family gets 2,000 to 5,000 a month. Then the Mexican family buys a water tank to put on their pickup truck, fills it with their allotment and sells it on the street.

How do you allot water to business. Some businesses require a lot of water and some hardly any.

Doesn't seem any fair way?

The fair way is for people to pay for the water they use.

[mick silver]

how about not growing grass in the desert ....... fixed it didn't i

[EE_]

The fair way is for people to pay for the water they use.

These people are willing to pay...they only need their 3 million gallons a month. Screw the rest of ya!

http://luxport.s3.amazonaws.com/11302/660%2BHot%2BSprings%2BRd%2BSanta%2BBarbara%2BCA%2B USA%2B385981_001_S.jpg

[EE_]

how about not growing grass in the desert ....... fixed it didn't i

But the people that matter, need the grass...

http://livemontereypeninsula.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/120/2014/09/PebbleBeach.jpg

[madfranks]

The surefire way to increase supply is to let the prices rise. This will attract entrepreneurs of all sorts to figure out ways to make money by increasing supply. Or you can put politicians in charge to ensure their friends have all the water they want, with pittance rationing for the common folk.

[EE_]

The surefire way to increase supply is to let the prices rise. This will attract entrepreneurs of all sorts to figure out ways to make money by increasing supply. Or you can put politicians in charge to ensure their friends have all the water they want, with pittance rationing for the common folk.

Entrepreneurs are too busy creating iPhone aps...guess they'll have to go with option 2.

[Horn]

Entrepreneurs are too busy creating iPhone aps...guess they'll have to go with option 2.

The good ole boy mafia will shoot anyone who tries to entrepanure in their water manure.

[madfranks]

Entrepreneurs are too busy creating iPhone aps...guess they'll have to go with option 2.

If they can make more money figuring out how to increase water supply, they'll do that instead. This isn't rocket science, what people value most, the most people will work to create. The fact that water prices are so heavily distorted on the downside is what's keeping people from figuring out ways to provide more.

[zap]

We got 9 1/2 inches this year, normal for our season's 9 to 13 inches ...

I'm not sweating it to much, yet ... though we aren't wasting any water. :)

[milehi]

20.77 so far

[Jerrylynnb]

What about the great lakes? I'm not trying to be a smart ass, but that seems like a hell of a lot of drinkable water - no? Has something gone wrong with it? And how about Niagra Falls - isn't all that roaring falls drinkable water just swimming down to mix with the salt water of the lower Hudson?

Sure we always got pockets of drought, for years and decades now, but, were there to be a national approach to water, wouldn't most of the US of A be green and flourishing?

Just asking.

[aeondaze]

What about the great lakes? I'm not trying to be a smart ass, but that seems like a hell of a lot of drinkable water - no? Has something gone wrong with it? And how about Niagra Falls - isn't all that roaring falls drinkable water just swimming down to mix with the salt water of the lower Hudson?

Sure we always got pockets of drought, for years and decades now, but, were there to be a national approach to water, wouldn't most of the US of A be green and flourishing?

Just asking.

Straight off the bat, I'm no "greenie" by any measure. But there are two things I dislike immensely and that is habitat destruction and mismanagement of waterways.

The Snowy River was dammed here in the 50's to make hydroelectricity to give the nations capital Canberra a renewable and cheap source of power.

Two things happened, the artificial lake (Lake Jindabyne) provided a heat catchment and the Alpine regions suffered from increased temps during the winter/lower precipitation and the rivers that flowed east which were once surging white water habitats were diverted west into the Murray system for irrigation and dried up into intermittent creeks where algae blooms lowered oxygen levels and the habitat suffered severely. It is only being addressed now with better allocations to the east but its going to take decades to even return it to a mere shadow of its former glory.

FWIW, humans mess with waterways and catchments at their own peril. Short term planning for short term gains eventually ends up destroying natural environs and in time everybody suffers.

When we had a water shortage there was talk about creating a new dam, I did some calculations and the estimated cost / unit volume was three times as much as what it would take to install the same volume in water tanks on household roofs. If you want to future proof suburbia install water tanks. You don't have to drink it but if you use it to wash clothes and flush toilets and shower with you will reduce your potable water consumption by about 75%.

Its win/win situation. The cost of installation can be recouped in a couple of years, then you are only paying 25% of your water bill AND you get to preserve the water catchments, aquifers and the associated habitat. Centralised governments hate this approach, it gives the consumer independence, but they will support it in desperate times if they want to preserve their revenue, else the cities turn into ghost towns. It the lesser of two evils in their mind.

:rolleyes:

[Shami-Amourae]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Km0geIOk4d4

Vice documentary:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lmUwjk4S3gw

[chad]

What about the great lakes? I'm not trying to be a smart ass, but that seems like a hell of a lot of drinkable water - no? Has something gone wrong with it? And how about Niagra Falls - isn't all that roaring falls drinkable water just swimming down to mix with the salt water of the lower Hudson?

Sure we always got pockets of drought, for years and decades now, but, were there to be a national approach to water, wouldn't most of the US of A be green and flourishing?

Just asking.

i live in wi. ca has been up here for years lobbying politicians in wi and il trying to figure out ways on how to drain the great lakes and ship it to ca. so far, it hasn't materialized. i guess it rubs me the wrong way that you move to somewhere that has historically been a desert, develop it, then when you figure out it's always ben a desert and that you fucked up, your response is to come 1,000 east and try to steal my water. and it is my water. as much as other people crow about the great lakes "belonging to the country," they don't. they belong the the states the border them. we are the states that tax and spend ginormous amounts of money developing and protecting them. you don't just get to ride in with your "rights" and drain the water we've taken care of for decades, especially when you have a track record of being a giant dumbass in the arena of water management. i alone donated $500 last year to lake superior watershed preservation. people from ca, GTFO.

[Twisted Titan]

2/3 of this planet is covered by water and yet people will die of thirst.

The irony is not lost.

The true crisis is that the present chokehold on how water is distributed is threatened and the old power mongers are fearful they will lose their feifdom to a more cunning tribe.

Only a gubbermint could convince the masses their is no water when it is sloshing about your feet and falling out the sky about every 5 to 7 days since the dawn of time.

[Shami-Amourae]

i live in wi. ca has been up here for years lobbying politicians in wi and il trying to figure out ways on how to drain the great lakes and ship it to ca. so far, it hasn't materialized. i guess it rubs me the wrong way that you move to somewhere that has historically been a desert, develop it, then when you figure out it's always ben a desert and that you fucked up, your response is to come 1,000 east and try to steal my water. and it is my water. as much as other people crow about the great lakes "belonging to the country," they don't. they belong the the states the border them. we are the states that tax and spend ginormous amounts of money developing and protecting them. you don't just get to ride in with your "rights" and drain the water we've taken care of for decades, especially when you have a track record of being a giant dumbass in the arena of water management. i alone donated $500 last year to lake superior watershed preservation. people from ca, GTFO.

Well if they pay for the water rights that's money for your state. What's wrong with that?

Also it keeps the Mexicans from coming to your state.

[EE_]

The solution to California's water problem

1. Let the problem become a major crisis.
2. Request emergency Federal funding.
3. Federal government has all US tax payers pay for California's lack of preparation.
4. California gets to enjoy their lifestyle while 'we' all pay for 'their' lack of planning.

[chad]

Well if they pay for the water rights that's money for your state. What's wrong with that?

Also it keeps the Mexicans from coming to your state.

that's how it started, about 7 years ago shami. we were supposed to be all excited to "get money." lots of us here decided we'd rather have our salmon fisheries, etc. now, the ca people have switched to "the law." when we didn't take the money, they switched to "we have a right to the great lakes water, it's a national watershed." nothing against you because i know you live out there, GoD as well, but the state of ca is a giant, fucking locust. you guys live next for to an ocean, why don't you figure out desalinization if you want to live in the desert? what's with the need to go 1,000 mile east and try to start suing states that "won't give you stuff?" i know we will lose eventually (there's huge legal things going on as we speak, il will be the one to cave and start draining lake michigan). they'll lower the lakes by 20 feet or something, ruin the fisheries, destroy the local marina economies here, etc. but at least ca will get "their water."

[aeondaze]

Here something to ponder.

Between 50 and 60% of rain water in large cities goes down the storm water and straight out to sea. Its the way our cities have been designed. In the past this would sodden the earth before flowing into streams, then rivers or finding its way into aquifers.

Paving and sealing vast swathes of land and then channeling the runoff into the storm-water which goes out to sea tends to do this. :rolleyes:

[Shami-Amourae]

that's how it started, about 7 years ago shami. we were supposed to be all excited to "get money." lots of us here decided we'd rather have our salmon fisheries, etc. now, the ca people have switched to "the law." when we didn't take the money, they switched to "we have a right to the great lakes water, it's a national watershed." nothing against you because i know you live out there, GoD as well, but the state of ca is a giant, fucking locust. you guys live next for to an ocean, why don't you figure out desalinization if you want to live in the desert? what's with the need to go 1,000 mile east and try to start suing states that "won't give you stuff?" i know we will lose eventually (there's huge legal things going on as we speak, il will be the one to cave and start draining lake michigan). they'll lower the lakes by 20 feet or something, ruin the fisheries, destroy the local marina economies here, etc. but at least ca will get "their water."

I heard from some locals here in Idaho that California wanted to take water from the Snake River (I live right on it basically.) We have our own water problems here, but they aren't even remotely bad as California.

The Snake River has a ton of Hydro-Electric Dams that produce a ton of cheap power. My power bill here is almost 1/4th of what it was in California. The Magic Valley once was a desert but was turned green by an ingenious system of aqueducts by Ira Burton Perrine.
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From Wikipedia (this man is amazing):
Ira Burton Perrine
(May 7, 1861 - October 2, 1943) was an Idaho (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idaho) farmer, rancher and businessman. Perrine is generally credited as the founder of Twin Falls (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twin_Falls,_Idaho) and other towns in the Magic Valley (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_Valley) region.

Perrine was born in Delaware, Indiana (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delaware,_Indiana), a son of George and Sarah Burton Perrine, and a descendant of Daniel Perrin (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Perrin), "The Huguenot (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Huguenot)."[citation needed (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Citation_needed)] He moved to Idaho Territory (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idaho_Territory) in 1884 and established a farm and ranch operation in the Snake River Canyon (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snake_River_Canyon_%28Idaho%29) near present-day Jerome (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerome,_Idaho). Perrine was a successful farmer and rancher who among other things received a gold medal for his fruit display at the 1904 Louisiana Purchase Exposition (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louisiana_Purchase_Exposition) in St. Louis (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._Louis,_Missouri). The ranch remained in the Perrine family until 1964, when it was sold and became part of Blue Lakes Country Club (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Country_Club).[1]

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I._B._Perrine#cite_note-1)

Although Perrine's operation in the canyon received plenty of water, the surrounding area could not be easily irrigated and was therefore largely unproductive. Beginning in 1893 Perrine worked to convince private financiers to build a dam on the Snake River (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snake_River) along with a corresponding canal system to irrigate the area. This work culminated in the 1900 founding of the Twin Falls Land and Water Company and the subsequent completion of Milner Dam (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milner_Dam) in 1905.
After Twin Falls was founded in 1904, Perrine served as a bank president and owned a hotel in the new city.


Perrine is buried near his former ranch in Jerome County (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerome_County,_Idaho). Perrine Bridge (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perrine_Bridge) and I. B. Perrine Elementary School in Twin Falls are named after him.


http://bloximages.chicago2.vip.townnews.com/magicvalley.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/1/27/12799dc7-075c-5896-9e3c-3adae0106597/54d130867e5f4.preview-620.jpg

[aeondaze]

The solution to California's water problem

1. Let the problem become a major crisis.
2. Request emergency Federal funding.
3. Federal government has all US tax payers pay for California's lack of preparation.
4. California gets to enjoy their lifestyle while 'we' all pay for 'their' lack of planning.

5. Take personal responsibility of the problem and install rain water tanks. Don't leave it up to centralised planners!

[EE_]

that's how it started, about 7 years ago shami. we were supposed to be all excited to "get money." lots of us here decided we'd rather have our salmon fisheries, etc. now, the ca people have switched to "the law." when we didn't take the money, they switched to "we have a right to the great lakes water, it's a national watershed." nothing against you because i know you live out there, GoD as well, but the state of ca is a giant, fucking locust. you guys live next for to an ocean, why don't you figure out desalinization if you want to live in the desert? what's with the need to go 1,000 mile east and try to start suing states that "won't give you stuff?" i know we will lose eventually (there's huge legal things going on as we speak, il will be the one to cave and start draining lake michigan). they'll lower the lakes by 20 feet or something, ruin the fisheries, destroy the local marina economies here, etc. but at least ca will get "their water."

Once you let a state like California stick a straw into your pond, you can be sure they'll never take it out!
Once California gets at your water source, it will be a huge boost to the California economy. Home prices will keep rising ($2 million for a crap shack), business will flourish, city and state employees will get to keep their heafty pensions...and you'll be left with a stagnant pond covered in algae scum.

The good news for giving your water to CA...your local and state government upper level workers/politicians will get larger salaries, bigger bonuses and better pensions.
Guess what the citizens/people will get?

https://www.nwtoxicalgae.org/images/content/ExampleAlgaeScum9.jpg

[chad]

Once you let a state like California stick a straw into your pond, you can be sure they'll never take it out!
Once California gets at your water source, it will be a huge boost to the California economy. Home prices will keep rising ($2 million for a crap shack), business will flourish, city and state employees will get to keep their heafty pensions...and you'll be left with a stagnant pond covered in alge scum.

yep, spot on. the other group were are constantly on guard against here in wi is nestle. they come back year after year in some different part of the state wanting to pay this or that town for access to artisan wells. about 12 years ago, they got caught on mic at a town meeting basically admitting that if approved, a whole trout tributary would be dried up and destroyed. they don't care, anything for another year.

[Silver Rocket Bitches!]

California sits on the ocean. Eventually they will have to do what Dubai is doing and build a ton of desalination plants. The only other choice is to close shop and head somewhere else or steal the water from another source. California isn't alone either. Nevada, Arizona, New Mexico..they're all drying up. The western US is returning to its historical dry norm.

[zap]

It would be a hell of alot closer to run a pipeline from Washington State or Oregon for Californians to get water, not WI or Id.

[Neuro]

5. Take personal responsibility of the problem and install rain water tanks. Don't leave it up to centralised planners!
That is what I am doing at my bugout vineyard I am having a big hole dugout in the ground which will keep 25-30 m3 of water, sealed, rain water will be collected on the roofs of my house. I will have a solar powered 12v pump that takes the water from the cistern, up to my water filter, which is basically a barrel of sand, where it filters through to my fresh water tank supplying my house, with fresh drinking water. The filter needs to be kept constantly working, so when the fresh water tank gets full, I'll have an outlet at the top of the tank, with a pipe going back to the cistern.

Clean water for free, and it is a much smaller investment than drilling a well and probably less than what you'ld have to pay to get connected to the water grid at most places, the only drawback is you have to live on what you manage to collect...

[Horn]

As safe distance of 666 miles from either Chernobyl or Fukishima is recommended for cistern installations.

[Neuro]

It would be a hell of alot closer to run a pipeline from Washington State or Oregon for Californians to get water, not WI or Id.
I am not sure! You have to get past the Ponce...

[EE_]

Water-Strapped California Is All Out of Snow
Written by KALEIGH ROGERS
March 18, 2015 // 09:00 AM EST
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The snow that provides about 30 percent of California’s water didn’t fall this winter, which is really bad news as the state faces a likely fourth year of drought. In response, California’s water board has unanimously voted to adopt stricter conservation measures.

The spring runoff from melting snow is “critically important” to California’s water supply, according to Doug Carlson, an information officer with the state’s Department of Water Resources. But the Sierra Nevada snowpack that provides that runoff only has 13 percent of the water content it usually does by this time of year, he said.

Based on sensor readings, the state only has 3.7 inches of snow-water equivalent (the approximate amount of water you would get if you thawed all the snow at once). On average, California has 28.5 inches of snow-water equivalent by this time of year.

“We’re poised to break the all-time record for the least amount of water content in the snow as of April 1,” Carlson told me. Last year and 1977 are tied for the record right now. Those readings were 25 percent of the average.

“Now we’re approximately half of that amount, and there’s just not going to be any major storm that can make up that deficit, so it looks like we’re going to smash the record for the lack of water in the snowpack,” Carlson said.

Meanwhile, the lack of rain since last winter means the state’s reservoirs are also sitting well below average. In years past, a good spring storm could bring levels back up to historic averages, but Carlson said that’s not a possibility at this point.

“We are too far down the drought path for one storm to bring us back,” he told me. “Over the last few years there’s been this high pressure ridge that sits like a barricade over California and diverts any wet weather either north or south. It just isn’t getting through.”

In response to the latest numbers, the DWR went to California’s water board with a list of stricter proposed regulations like prohibiting lawn-watering within 48 hours of a rainfall and only serving water on request in restaurants, rather than by default. The board unanimously approved the proposals.

Some communities in California already had regulations like this in place, but others were working on an honor system, hoping residents would naturally curb their water use in response to the drought. Unfortunately, that wasn’t the case, Carlson explained: Governor Jerry Brown asked the state to cut back its water use by 20 per cent last year, but the state only met that goal one month of the year.

“Californians apparently have to be persuaded [in ways] other than by asking nicely to conserve water,” Carlson said.
http://motherboard.vice.com/read/water-strapped-california-is-all-out-of-snow

[chad]

how can the state agencies not meet their rationing targets? that seems like it would be the easiest thing in the world to achieve.

[EE_]

how can the state agencies not meet their rationing targets? that seems like it would be the easiest thing in the world to achieve.

How do you ration water with these California home owners? Do you know how much water it takes to run homes like these...that probably only have two people living there part time. 1 million gallons a month?

http://outrageousestates.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/beverly-house-los-angeles-calif-50000-square-feet-thumb-550x331.jpg
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http://blogs-images.forbes.com/trulia/files/2012/02/78-million-dollar-luxury-mega-mansion-hits-the-market-in-california-1.png

[madfranks]

Some communities in California already had regulations like this in place, but others were working on an honor system, hoping residents would naturally curb their water use in response to the drought. Unfortunately, that wasn’t the case, Carlson explained: Governor Jerry Brown asked the state to cut back its water use by 20 per cent last year, but the state only met that goal one month of the year.

“Californians apparently have to be persuaded [in ways] other than by asking nicely to conserve water,” Carlson said.


Allow the price of water to rise, and people will naturally use less. "Please use less water, while we keep the prices artificially low." Politicians are retarded.

[expat4ever]

water by request only in restaurants. That should solve the problem. lmao.