Nomi Prins – People Don’t Have Any Money

[singular_me]

Nomi Prins – People Don’t Have Any Money
Tuesday 17th March 2015



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ARHyKCbSrNY

[EE_]

I don't think people understand what has happened. The facts are, most people no longer have value to society...the good jobs have mostly left this country.

The people that don't have any money do not matter to the people that run things, those that have money. They can run their own economies just fine by themselves.

There is a lot of money sloshing around in the economy. The people that have it are buying up everything they see as having value...prime real estate, rental properties, art, classic cars, etc. and they are driving up the prices of those things.

So, to the people that don't have money, quit thinking you are somehow important to anyone but yourselves. Those that have money, don't give a shit if you rot away and die. In fact, I think they are hoping you will.

[singular_me]

at least on 1 thing she was right on....

https://scontent-lax.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/10411182_727937640658690_6853665976624027466_n.jpg ?oh=aeedb0bd334ff53429b28867714ec68b&oe=55BB0E87

[Ponce]

Not only do people spend more than what they earn but then they use credit to buy junk.........if you don't have it, don't spend it.

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[palani]

Money was outlawed in 1933. That is a well known fact. It also transformed reality into this colorable imaginary plane where you have the appearance of having private property but in fact everything is owned by this trust called 'government'. There is no need to complain about it because it has been in place for the lifetime of most of the people here.

You must like this system or else you would do something about it.

[7th trump]

No, money wasn't outlawed in 1933...only a fool believes this internet conspiracy.....it was the gold standard that was suspended in 1933.
You forget palani.......the US Treasury still issues US coins to this day.
Coins come from the US Mint ordered by the Treasury....not from the federal reserve system.

Where does it say in the US Constitution that the government can only use precious metal (gold and silver) as money?
HINT: it doesn't!!!

In the beginning of this country there was coinage from all over the world used in the states and the territories and it was all accepted as money.
The US picked the Spanish dollar as a standard of weights and measures when using gold and silver to newly mint its coinage. Which was the norm pretty much across the field for most countries.

[palani]

No, money wasn't outlawed in 1933...only a fool believes this internet conspiracy.....it was the gold standard that was suspended in 1933.
Money is inherently FUNGIBLE. Fiat on the other hand are coupons handed out by the mill owner to his employees and useable only at his company store.

[7th trump]

Money is inherently FUNGIBLE. Fiat on the other hand are coupons handed out by the mill owner to his employees and useable only at his company store.

FRN's are obligation of the US government used to pay for just about anything...so what about FRN's that's not fungible?
They function no different than any Treasury note or coin.......and get this Palani (hold onto your britches)...they are still the worlds reserve currency...hows that for fungibility?

So tell us Palani where are FRN's not accepted as fungible money?
Or are we going to get the standard bullshit deflective answer from you?

[palani]

what about FRN's that's not fungible?

I don't accept them.

[7th trump]

I don't accept them.

Really...what about your retirement SS check?
Are you saying you do not accept your Social Security check?

[palani]

Really...what about your retirement SS check?
Are you saying you do not accept your Social Security check?

How is one going to apply for a benefit such as retirement without having a social (in)security number?

[midnight rambler]

money was outlawed in 1933. That is a well known fact. It also transformed reality into this colorable imaginary plane where you have the appearance of having private property but in fact everything is owned by this trust called 'government'. There is no need to complain about it because it has been in place for the lifetime of most of the people here.

you must like this system or else you would do something about it.


qft

[midnight rambler]

No, money wasn't outlawed in 1933



Are you really that dense??

It is NOT possible to 'pay' a debt with a debt!* One can only PAY (i.e. extinguish) a debt with substance/value, i.e. gold or silver coin.

*only a complete fucking moron thinks it's possible to pay a debt with a debt

[midnight rambler]

The facts are, most people no longer have value to society...the good jobs have mostly left this country.


As palani correctly pointed out, the people were stripped of value in their lives in 1933, specifically on March 9. There's been no money in circulation since then. It really has very little to do with "the good jobs have mostly left this country."

[ximmy]

As palani correctly pointed out, the people were stripped of value in their lives in 1933, specifically on March 9. There's been no money in circulation since then. It really has very little to do with "the good jobs have mostly left this country."

http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user5/imageroot/2012/08/Executive_Order_6102_0.jpg

[Horn]

Hmmm March 9th 1933. Where's Neuro so we can make this thread sacred?

[7th trump]

Are you really that dense??

It is NOT possible to 'pay' a debt with a debt!* One can only PAY (i.e. extinguish) a debt with substance/value, i.e. gold or silver coin.

*only a complete fucking moron thinks it's possible to pay a debt with a debt

I think you are the dense one here.
Show me where a bill is still outstanding of payment after being paid in FRN's?
I bet you cant find one example.

I can still purchase chicken from the local super market with FRN's and I never get any notice of delinquency of payment. And I'm never charged with theft either.
Why is that?

[7th trump]

As palani correctly pointed out, the people were stripped of value in their lives in 1933, specifically on March 9. There's been no money in circulation since then. It really has very little to do with "the good jobs have mostly left this country."

Stripped of their value....what!!!

So if a mortgage had 15 years left out of 30 on April 5 1933 and the person paid off the last 15 years with FRN's does he still get the mortgage note ripped up?
Or does he perpetually owe 15 years on the mortgage?

[7th trump]

qft

Since Palani cant procure any evidence that FRN's means paying a debt with a debt.....can you?
Show me any legal document that says paying something with FRN's doesn't mean its paid off.

Hey show any proof that private property belongs to this "trust" that Palani cant seem to find either. Hes mistaken and you're a fool if you think not paying your property taxes is proof. Property taxes is a whole different animal that starts with the property listed on the "CITY" assessors books.

Now you crawled into this like the jack ass you are....lets see if your smart enough to get yourself out of it.
You got two choices.
1. Show the proof or-
2. Admit you're a fool for following a fool blindly.

The stage is yours midnight so get to it.

[palani]

I can still purchase chicken from the local super market with FRN's and I never get any notice of delinquency of payment. And I'm never charged with theft either. Why is that?
Because your MASTER is responsible. You, as a SLAVE, are ENTITLED to be IRRESPONSIBLE.

[palani]

Since Palani cant procure any evidence that FRN's means paying a debt with a debt.....can you?
Show me any legal document that says paying something with FRN's doesn't mean its paid off..

http://www.usdebtclock.org/

Those are your 'purchases' that they are showing.

[7th trump]

http://www.usdebtclock.org/

Those are your 'purchases' that they are showing.
Really..........which clock show purchases?

Did you forget something Palani or did you deliberately leave it out?
It also show debt being paid off..........................funny you don't bring that up.

Seriously, how insanely one-sided are you?

[palani]

Really..........which clock show purchases?
Pick an account. You are in there somewhere.


It also show debt being paid off..........................funny you don't bring that up.
How? By printing more paper?

[palani]

Use of lawful money that actually belongs to you means you have legal title to anything you purchase. Equity and law have been at odds for many centuries and the way the system handles the difference between law and equity is trusts. If you have both legal and equitable title to something you own it, you control it, it is private property, it is yours. What happens when you use a FRN is the Federal Reserve retains legal title to anything purchased using their credit. You end up with equitable title. The thing you purchase is not yours. You simply have a right to use of the thing. When you park illegally and your car is towed it is not theft of private property. One trust is taking the res (the thing) and depriving you of the use of the thing and you don't have a leg to stand on in a court of law when you claim theft.

[Horn]

http://www.usdebtclock.org/

Those are your 'purchases' that they are showing.

I have to side with palani in this round, his chin appears bigger from this angle.

[7th trump]

Use of lawful money that actually belongs to you means you have legal title to anything you purchase. Equity and law have been at odds for many centuries and the way the system handles the difference between law and equity is trusts. If you have both legal and equitable title to something you own it, you control it, it is private property, it is yours. What happens when you use a FRN is the Federal Reserve retains legal title to anything purchased using their credit. You end up with equitable title. The thing you purchase is not yours. You simply have a right to use of the thing. When you park illegally and your car is towed it is not theft of private property. One trust is taking the res (the thing) and depriving you of the use of the thing and you don't have a leg to stand on in a court of law when you claim theft.

You're actually dumb enough to beleive that what you use to purchase something with determines if its yours or not?
Just becuase you own a car and park it in a place you arent supposed to be parked at in the first place and gets towed away....doesnt by any means suggest you have a mere right to use said car.

If my neighbor parked his truck in my yard causing damage.............are you telling me I dont have any right to move his truck off my property at his cost because he owns the truck?
I have a bridge to sell you Palani.

Has it never accured to you the "debt" side of money is how it is created and not how it is used?
if what you say even has any resemblence of truth...then you'd see it in statutory form in title 12....but thats not the case is it Palani?

Heres what the government has to say about FRN's:


Federal reserve notes, to be issued at the discretion of the Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System for the purpose of making advances to Federal reserve banks through the Federal reserve agents as hereinafter set forth and for no other purpose, are authorized. The said notes shall be obligations of the United States and shall be receivable by all national and member banks and Federal reserve banks and for all taxes, customs, and other public dues. They shall be redeemed in lawful money on demand at the Treasury Department of the United States, in the city of Washington, District of Columbia, or at any Federal Reserve bank.


See anything in there about having a mere right to use what ever was purchased?
Nope......it says for public dues and customes.....AKA debt.
And being that they are obligations of the United States...they act no different than any Treasury note, copper clad, gold and silver coin ever printed or minted by the United States.....they are obligations of the United States....period!
Not obligations of the federal reserve system, but obligations of the United States......do you understand or you going make some shit up again?

FRN's are just a medium of exchange.
So if I went and sold 100 cattle (my cattle as they were all born on my land and werent purchased) and received cash for these cattle in the form of FRN's that what I purchased with said notes I no longer have title to it but a meres right to use it?
So it mysteriously goes from me owning the cattle (full title of ownership) and turning the cattle into cash at sale to using said cash to purchase lumber for a new cattle barn that I only have a "right" to use the barn?
Bahahahahahahahaha.......!

See how you make yourself sound like a silly conspiracy fool?
And i bet you wont be able to explain this either without going into another silly conspiracy tale.

[7th trump]

I have to side with palani in this round, his chin appears bigger from this angle.

That clock counts both debt and payment of debt.........theres no way of determining debt when purchasing with cash...its untraceable.

Watch what Palani says....hes full of little tricks and doesnt say everything thats involved.
Besides he has no way knowing all purchases are on that clock.

[7th trump]

Use of lawful money that actually belongs to you means you have legal title to anything you purchase. Equity and law have been at odds for many centuries and the way the system handles the difference between law and equity is trusts. If you have both legal and equitable title to something you own it, you control it, it is private property, it is yours. What happens when you use a FRN is the Federal Reserve retains legal title to anything purchased using their credit. You end up with equitable title. The thing you purchase is not yours. You simply have a right to use of the thing. When you park illegally and your car is towed it is not theft of private property. One trust is taking the res (the thing) and depriving you of the use of the thing and you don't have a leg to stand on in a court of law when you claim theft.

So explain this to me Palani...it seems you dont ever do any REAL research.
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Hmmmmm....where did we see that before?
Ohhh yeah...right here of course
12usc 411....you beloved statute that you beleive makes all FRN's something they are not.


Federal reserve notes, to be issued at the discretion of the Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System for the purpose of making advances to Federal reserve banks through the Federal reserve agents as hereinafter set forth and for no other purpose, are authorized. The said notes shall be obligations of the United States and shall be receivable by all national and member banks and Federal reserve banks and for all taxes, customs, and other public dues. They shall be redeemed in lawful money on demand at the Treasury Department of the United States, in the city of Washington, District of Columbia, or at any Federal Reserve bank.

You going to tell me otherwise?
FRN's act no different than any paper money printed by the US Treasury (Lawful money).

[monty]

The Federal Reserve System seems to agree with 7th Trump that their debt instrumento are lawful money. Until about 1964 those silver certificates were redeemable for silver coins, dollars, halves, quarters or dimes at face value. Then in 1964 Uncle Sam devalued our coins and allowed people who held silver certificates to redeem them for a bag of silver pellets, one bag for a one dollar certificate, five bags for a five dollar silver certificate. However you could not redeem a Federal Reserve note for the bag of silver. My self, I believe FRNs are just a promise. They may be legal tender, but they are not "Dollars".
What is lawful money? How is it different from legal tender?"Lawful money" is a term used in the Federal Reserve Act (http://www.federalreserve.gov/aboutthefed/fract.htm), the act that authorizes the Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System to issue Federal Reserve notes. The Act states that Federal Reserve notes "shall be obligations of the United States and shall be receivable by all national and member banks and Federal reserve banks and for all taxes, customs, and other public dues. They shall be redeemed in lawful money on demand at the Treasury Department of the United States, in the city of Washington, District of Columbia, or at any Federal Reserve bank." The Act did not, however, define the term "lawful money," but up until 1913, the only currency issued by the United States that was legally recognized as "lawful money" was various issues of "demand notes" (subsequently known as "old demand notes") and "United States notes" authorized by Congress during the Civil War.
At the time, some currency was not considered legal tender, although it could be used by national banking associations as "lawful money reserves." Thus, the term "lawful money" had a broader meaning than the term "legal tender."
In 1933, Congress changed the law so that all U.S. coins and currency (including Federal Reserve notes), regardless of when issued, constitutes "legal tender" for all purposes. Federal and state courts since then have repeatedly held that Federal Reserve notes are also "lawful money." Milam v. U.S., 524 F.2d 629 (9th Cir. 1974), is typical of the federal and state court cases holding that Federal Reserve notes are "lawful money." In Milam, the United States Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit reviewed a judgment denying relief to an individual who sought to redeem a $50 Federal Reserve Bank Note in "lawful money." The United States tendered Milam $50 in Federal Reserve notes, but Milam refused the notes, asserting that "lawful money" must be gold or silver. The Ninth Circuit, noting that this matter had been put to rest by the U.S. Supreme Court nearly a century before in the Legal Tender Cases (Juilliard v. Greenman), 110 U.S. 421 (1884), rejected this assertion as frivolous and affirmed the judgment.
http://www.federalreserve.gov/faqs/currency_15197.htm

[monty]

If a person who help a silver certificate did not redeem It for silver in the alloted time frame he was out of luck, it became just another paper note.

[midnight rambler]

Are you gonna believe those lying turds at the Fed when the US Code VERY CLEARLY states otherwise?

ETA: I refuse to waste my time arguing with retards who refuse to comprehend plain English and the historical definition of words and terms (as opposed to the Satan worshipers' morphed, twisted, and duplicitous definition of words and terms).

[monty]

I don't believe them, The statute 7th posted clearly states you can exchange one one of their notes for lawful money at at The Us Treasury or at any Federal Reserve Bank. If it is lawful money why would It be necessary to exchange it for lawful money. They are contradicting themselves.

[palani]

You're actually dumb enough to beleive that what you use to purchase something with determines if its yours or not? If you happen to be a slave (which you are because of your ignorance) then your purchases are for your MASTER.

Just becuase you own a car and park it in a place you arent supposed to be parked at in the first place and gets towed away....doesnt by any means suggest you have a mere right to use said car. Here is an ANALOGY (that means something similar although not the same). Two hundred years ago you had a horse. It was your horse. You parked it in front of the general store and went in. Five minutes later you came out and the horse was missing. Horse theft? Or did the horse have a license plate that named it STATE property? Well that is nonsense. You notify the marshal, he tracks down the horse thief and after a quick trial he is found guilty and HUNG by the neck until his spirit leaves. Now why do you suppose taking your horse might be fatal but towing your car is not?

.it says for public dues and customes.....AKA debt.
You left out the 1860's issues that stated on the reverse side that it was NOT to be used to pay INTEREST. So I presume you must not count interest as debt?

FRN's are just a medium of exchange.
Also a medium of ACCOUNT. But then you have to buy into them before you can use them. You have obviously bought into them. I have not. Therein lies the rub.

So if I went and sold 100 cattle (my cattle as they were all born on my land and werent purchased) and received cash for these cattle in the form of FRN's that what I purchased with said notes I no longer have title to it but a meres right to use it? Did you CREATE that FRN?

another silly conspiracy tale.
Too bad you never studied LOGIC when you got your electronics degree.

[7th trump]

If you happen to be a slave (which you are because of your ignorance) then your purchases are for your MASTER.
Here is an ANALOGY (that means something similar although not the same). Two hundred years ago you had a horse. It was your horse. You parked it in front of the general store and went in. Five minutes later you came out and the horse was missing. Horse theft? Or did the horse have a license plate that named it STATE property? Well that is nonsense. You notify the marshal, he tracks down the horse thief and after a quick trial he is found guilty and HUNG by the neck until his spirit leaves. Now why do you suppose taking your horse might be fatal but towing your car is not?

You left out the 1860's issues that stated on the reverse side that it was NOT to be used to pay INTEREST. So I presume you must not count interest as debt?

Also a medium of ACCOUNT. But then you have to buy into them before you can use them. You have obviously bought into them. I have not. Therein lies the rub.
Did you CREATE that FRN?

Too bad you never studied LOGIC when you got your electronics degree.

Just more deflection from you palani.
As far as the not paying interest part....what does that have to do with FRN's, being obligation of the US government, having the same purpose as Treasury notes for paying debt?

So a license plate indicates "state" property?
It does?
Do you have any proof of this?
As far as I knew the license plate was related to commerce....not ownership. You register the vehicle for commerce.
Answer me something Palani....if the state owns the vehicle (your tale...not mine) then why do they need to go through a shit ton of paper work to confiscate a vehicle out of private ownership?
Come on Palani cant you keep your conspiracy tales straight and separate?
And how can the "state" make a claim of property when the state didn't make one iota payment?

None of your conspiracy tales make any sense...you cant even bring them together.
And the state actually owned the vehicles while not making the payments there'd be lawsuits flying all over the place....but guess what....there isn't.

And I'm still waiting for an answer on that question about the neighbor parking his truck in my yard and I cant do anything for it because he owns the truck.
Should I be holding my breath waiting for your answer?

[palani]

As far as the not paying interest part....what does that have to do with FRN's, being obligation of the US government, having the same purpose as Treasury notes for paying debt? Original issue greenbacks were prohibited from paying interest. You brought greenbacks up when you posted pictures of them.

So a license plate indicates "state" property? The license plate IS state property. When you attach it to the car they also claim the car.

Do you have any proof of this? I have seen the trust report in the Tipton Conservative with regards to the trust that these vehicles are donated to. Try this. Take an old vehicle and have the county issue a junk certificate on it. The junk certificate will be valued at the original price of the car.

why do they need to go through a shit ton of paper work to confiscate a vehicle?
Dunno what world you live in. They hire a private contractor to tow the car. The car sits in a private yard for 30 days or so before the storage charges eat up the value of the vehicle and then they get auctioned off. Like a storage auction. You don't pay the freight they sell the bailment and the buyer is PRESUMING he is buying the car. He comes by this presumption because the state is going to issue him a (fake) title.

how can the "state" make a claim of property when the state didn't make one iota payment? Because you didn't get the Manufacturers Certificate of Origin. They did.

I'm still waiting for an answer on that question about the neighbor parking his truck in my yard and I cant do anything for it because he owns the truck. Who says you cannot do anything? If he abandoned the truck you can seize it and place a legal notice that the owner can have it back when he pays costs. Then you wait 30 days and when YOUR storage costs exceed the value of the truck it becomes yours. Just make sure you document everything WITH WITNESSES.

Should I be holding my breath waiting for your answer? Please do. I would like to see how long before you turn blue.

[7th trump]

Original issue greenbacks were prohibited from paying interest. You brought greenbacks up when you posted pictures of them.
The license plate IS state property. When you attach it to the car they also claim the car.
I have seen the trust report in the Tipton Conservative with regards to the trust that these vehicles are donated to. Try this. Take an old vehicle and have the county issue a junk certificate on it. The junk certificate will be valued at the original price of the car.

Dunno what world you live in. They hire a private contractor to tow the car. The car sits in a private yard for 30 days or so before the storage charges eat up the value of the vehicle and then they get auctioned off. Like a storage auction. You don't pay the freight they sell the bailment and the buyer is PRESUMING he is buying the car. He comes by this presumption because the state is going to issue him a (fake) title.
Because you didn't get the Manufacturers Certificate of Origin. They did.
Who says you cannot do anything? If he abandoned the truck you can seize it and place a legal notice that the owner can have it back when he pays costs. Then you wait 30 days and when YOUR storage costs exceed the value of the truck it becomes yours. Just make sure you document everything WITH WITNESSES.
Please do. I would like to see how long before you turn blue.
So what I brought up green backs...answer the question......what does this have to do with your claim frn's are not lawful money when clearly on the silver cert it says for customs and duties just as 12usc 411 does for frn's?
You do realize your credibility is at stake every time you do not back up your claim.
Are we all to assume you make claims you cannot back up?

Can you prove just putting a license plate on a car the state claims the car property. (I believe this is the second time I asked you to prove it)
How about some documentation Palani?

Yes I realize the car gets towed off and sits in the yard for 30 days....but now you are changing the story....so the tow service owns the car to be able to sell it at auction....not the state?
Is that not what you just said?
I'm confused, as I'm sure others are too.
Sounds to me if the tow service can auction off the car the state never owned it in the first place.

Trust report huh?
So the junk car is valued at original price is proof the car is state property..............huh?
But...But...But you just said the tow service owned it to auction it off.
Do you follow your own logic?
Do you follow any logic?

Manufacturers Certificate of Origin...........the tow service didn't get the Manufacturers Certificate of Origin either....so who owns the car?
The tow service didn't get the Manufacturers Certificate of Origin to auction the car.
And the state didn't auction off the car, the tow service did.

And what makes you think the "Manufacturers Certificate of Origin" is ownership?
That document is a certificate of where it was made....its not a title at all of any kind.

[palani]

ETA: I refuse to waste my time arguing with retards who refuse to comprehend plain English and the historical definition of words and terms (as opposed to the Satan worshipers' morphed, twisted, and duplicitous definition of words and terms).
Quoted for TRUTH!!!!

[7th trump]

Quoted for TRUTH!!!!

Hahahaha....................!

Here you go palani...since you cant research a damn thing...heres a website that offers real MCO's for people who manufacture motorcycles at home or wherever. He has a lot say about what the MCO is used for.

Lets see here...how many conspiracy tales did you spew out today in just this one thread.
Ohhh heck I cant count them all.

http://www.motorcycle-manufacturer-license.org/MCOs-MSOs-information.htm

This didn't take all that long Palani...just a simple search on the web and theres literally hundreds of sites that could help you determine if a tale is truth or a conspiracy.
But I cant make a donkey drink water....only lead the donkey to water.