Sheriff is the highest office in a county?

[palani]

Have you heard it said that the office of sheriff is the highest elected office in a county? In a system of checks and balances the sheriff has a boss. That boss is call the coroner. When the office of sheriff is vacant the coroner is the one who performs that office. The office of coroner is a political office and not strictly a medical one. The sheriff does not take his direction from a county attorney. He toes the line to writs received from the coroner.

The office of Coroner is vacant in Iowa county (as it is in most counties in the state).

http://canyouidentifyme.org/iaia

Notice only a medical examiner is listed. The function of a medical examiner is identified here

http://www.iosme.iowa.gov/

Our mission is to establish credibility in death investigation in a system that will operate efficiently and serve the needs of the citizens of Iowa.

In a republic when an office is vacant anyone can step into it and perform the function in a de facto manner until the office is properly filled. Want to straighten the system out?

FILL THE OFFICE!!!!

[7th trump]

I can understand this, if and only if, a republic form of government existed where there was no 14th amendment subjecting individuals under federal jurisdiction.
I dont beleive the coroner or the sheriff is above the organic governor of said state though.
In a republic form of government each individual is above law (his own king if you will) and if one was to end up deceased then a coroner would decide if foal play is the cause of death. If so, then its up to the sheriff to investigate as he is the next inline.

[palani]

I dont beleive the coroner or the sheriff is above the organic governor of said state though.

Every office is one of delimited powers. That includes the chief "magistrate".

lawman (n.)
1530s, "lawyer," from law + man (n.). Meaning "law-enforcement officer" is from 1865. There is an Anglo-Latin lagamannus "magistrate" from early 12c.

[7th trump]

I dont beleive the organic governor is a lawmen. A statemen yes, but not a lawmen. Like you say....different office!
A governor could call up the sheriffs on governor related issues that the govenor has jurisdiction over.

Like wise, I dont beleive the coroner has any jurisdiction in sheriff matters where the operation of law is critical.......again different offices.
I beleive the sheriff only takes orders from the coroner when theres foal play. And I dont think the sheriff can take the place of a coroner....again different offices.

[palani]

I dont beleive the organic governor is a lawmen. A statemen yes, but not a lawmen. Like you say....different office!
A governor could call up the sheriffs on governor related issues that the govenor has jurisdiction over.

Like wise, I dont beleive the coroner has any jurisdiction in sheriff matters where the operation of law is critical.......again different offices.
I beleive the sheriff only takes orders from the coroner when theres foal play. And I dont think the sheriff can take the place of a coroner....again different offices.
Do your research. What you think matters little.

[7th trump]

Do your research. What you think matters little.

Hey better yet...why pussy foot around this and provide the neccessary evidence to back your beleif?
I just happen to know the sheriff of Clinton county (Rick Lincoln) very well....maybe next time I see him I'll ask him if some of your claims have any merit.

A simple google to wikipedia.

Duties[edit]

Duties always include determining the cause, time, and manner of death. This uses the same investigatory skills of a police detective in most cases, because the answers are available from the circumstances, scene, and recent medical records. In many American jurisdictions, any death not certified by the person's own physician must be referred to the medical examiner. If an individual dies outside of his/her state of residence, the coroner of the state in which the death took place issues the death certificate. Only a small percentage of deaths require an autopsy to determine the time, cause and manner of death.


In some states, additional functions are handled by the coroner. For example, in Louisiana, coroners are involved in the determination of mental illness of living persons. In Georgia, the coroner has the same powers as a county sheriff to execute arrest warrants and serve process, and in certain situations where there is no sheriff.,[21] s/he officially acts as sheriff for the county. This is also the case in Colorado.[22] In Kentucky, section 72.415 of the Kentucky Revised Statutes gives coroners and their deputies the full power and authority of peace officers. This includes the power of arrest and the authority to carry firearms. In New York City, the office of coroner was actually abolished in 1915,[23] since before that time, having medical knowledge was not actually a requirement, leading to much abuse of position.[24

I dont see where a coroner replaces a sheriff or has powers above a sheriff.

[palani]

I dont see where a coroner replaces a sheriff or has powers above a sheriff.

Certainly it is easy to not see when you don't bother to LOOK!

Iowa was once Wisconsin Territory. You can go to the last pages of the Iowa code and see Wisconsin Territory laws in a list of laws that cover this area west of the Mississippi.

Here is one such law. There are many other such cites should you unbury your head from your nether regions.

http://s23.postimg.org/ogy134j1l/ACT_5_Wisconsin_Territory.jpg

The State of Iowa has no power or authority to undo these old laws. They remain in effect forever as they apply to Wisconsin Territory. The State of Iowa can decide that these laws no longer apply and ignore them and that is what they appear to be doing.

[7th trump]

Certainly it is easy to not see when you don't bother to LOOK!

Iowa was once Wisconsin Territory. You can go to the last pages of the Iowa code and see Wisconsin Territory laws in a list of laws that cover this area west of the Mississippi.

Here is one such law. There are many other such cites should you unbury your head from your nether regions.

http://s23.postimg.org/ogy134j1l/ACT_5_Wisconsin_Territory.jpg

The State of Iowa has no power or authority to undo these old laws. They remain in effect forever as they apply to Wisconsin Territory. The State of Iowa can decide that these laws no longer apply and ignore them and that is what they appear to be doing.

Wow...you really are delusional.
That territory was ceded over to form Iowa, a union state. That territory doesn't exist any longer....and it cant go back as a territory either.

So by your own words, Florida, a territory of Spain, in reality, still belongs to Spain?
Do you think the US naval base in Florida will allow the Spanish naval fleet to come in and take possession of that base....how about NASA?
Bahahahahahahahaha...........you're a hoot Palani!
Let me guess you're growing some serious weed in your watershed?

Oh almost forgot.....read that last part of that article again palani!
It sounds as though the clerk is over the coroner.
Bahahahaha......

[palani]

That territory was ceded over to form Iowa, a union state. That territory doesn't exist any longer....and it cant go back as a territory either. The territorial government was a matter of offices rather than land or territory. The government does not dictate to land. They dictate to those people willing to listen (or read).

So by your own words, Florida, a territory of Spain, in reality, still belongs to Spain? Spain is a civil law country. If their laws are similar to those of France (another civil law country) anyone born on land that was once Spanish can claim Spanish nationality by jus soli. The land doesn't belong to anyone but God. He created it and he never ceded it to anyone. Governments claim jurisdiction over people rather than land.

Do you think the US naval base in Florida will allow the Spanish naval fleet to come in and take possession of that base....how about NASA? Why would NASA want a US naval base in Florida?


read that last part of that article again palani!
It sounds as though the clerk is over the coroner.
Your selective intellect at work again. Government offices all have their own checks and balances. If the office of coroner exists there will be a check on his power. While a coroner is an elective office the voters provide the ultimate check.

[7th trump]

The territorial government was a matter of offices rather than land or territory. The government does not dictate to land. They dictate to those people willing to listen (or read).
Spain is a civil law country. If their laws are similar to those of France (another civil law country) anyone born on land that was once Spanish can claim Spanish nationality by jus soli. The land doesn't belong to anyone but God. He created it and he never ceded it to anyone. Governments claim jurisdiction over people rather than land.
Why would NASA want a US naval base in Florida?


Your selective intellect at work again. Government offices all have their own checks and balances. If the office of coroner exists there will be a check on his power. While a coroner is an elective office the voters provide the ultimate check.

And so it never occurred to you that once the territory was partitioned into a union state those territorial offices dissolved just as the territory did?

[palani]

And so it never occurred to you that once the territory was partitioned into a union state those territorial offices dissolved just as the territory did? Does the Hoover Vacuum Company dissolve when the Fuller Brush Company takes over the same territory?

Do you think that once created a thing simply dissolves? Certainly it might fall into disuse but a new creation cannot destroy an old creation. Failure to investigate this concept is typical of your reasoning.

[7th trump]

Does the Hoover Vacuum Company dissolve when the Fuller Brush Company takes over the same territory?

Do you think that once created a thing simply dissolves? Certainly it might fall into disuse but a new creation cannot destroy an old creation. Failure to investigate this concept is typical of your reasoning.

Wow...you really need to get your head checked Palani.
The Hoover and Brush company territory example is one of your dumbest ever.

A companies territory to sell vacuum sweepers somehow equates to governmental territories......huh?
Do you take any medication?

[Glass]

Its a very good example.

The old government was abandoned and a new government was established with new institutions, which often looked like and sounded like the old institutions.

In Australia in 1973 an institution came into existence called the Parliament of Australia. The Constitution of Australia 1901 establishes a Commonwealth Parliament. No where does it say it creates the Parliament of Australia.

Until 1973 the Australian Federal government was called the Commonwealth Parliament. Afterwards it was called the Parliament of Australia. No referendum. No ammendment to the constitution.

So what happened to the old government? It was abandoned. The old parliament building is still standing, abandoned. It's there to be filled with a government. Problem is, no one is available. By available I mean, knows about, is prepared to or even knows that it could be done.

I also think that the Coroner could be the most powerful seat in a democracy society. I had heard that and attempted to investigate the situation here. I did not find anything in writting that states this. i.e. No statute or declaration saying plainly that the Coroner is the most powerful seat. They do seem to have the last word on things though.

It's curious but not impossible when you consider that all "persons" are actually dead. As for the sheriff, the ones we have here are merely bailiffs. They do not take an oath of office and are all private corporations trading as. It's a shame because it means you cannot summon the sheriff to court to arrest judges etc. No power.

[palani]

The old government was abandoned and a new government was established with new institutions, which often looked like and sounded like the old institutions.

Think of the old government as 'the old tribe' and the new government as 'the new tribe'. Nowhere is it written that simply because someone chooses to invent something new that that thing has any application to me. The new tribe has no ability to change the old rules but they can choose to recognize them or not.

A 'new tribe' is created anytime a constitution is amended. It is also created when a notice is given and silently agreed to tacitly. One such old tribe viewed money as either gold or silver. The new tribe recognizes paper as fungible for goods or services. At no time am I required to join the new culture I simply cite the laws of the old tribe and if they don't jibe that just points out that THIS IS NOT MY GOVERNMENT.