Legalese is a foreign language

[midnight rambler]

No different than any other foreign language. Only members of the B.A.R. are capable of comprehending it or are allowed to use it.

http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=legalese&allowed_in_frame=0

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/legalese

[Glass]

thats right. which is why you need a dictionary like blacks or bouviers. You also need a gasp of grammar. Intent is often determined/conveyed by grammar.

[palani]

You also need a gasp of grammar.

Grammar, logic and rhetoric .. aka 'the trivium'. These things turn the masses off which leads to losses on one side and occupations on the other.... If God hadn't wanted them to be sheared why would he have made them sheep?

[BrewTech]

No different than any other foreign language. Only members of the B.A.R. are capable of comprehending it or are allowed to use it.

http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=legalese&allowed_in_frame=0

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/legalese

A while back when I had some reason to be in a courtroom, a guy told the judge he wanted to represent himself. The judge told him he must follow exact procedures and "use the proper terminology", or the judge wouldn't accept his defense.

[midnight rambler]

A while back when I had some reason to be in a courtroom, a guy told the judge he wanted to represent himself. The judge told him he must follow exact procedures and "use the proper terminology", or the judge wouldn't accept his defense.

The clowns in the black gowns do their very best to con folks into surrendering to an officer of the court (i.e. retaining a shyster) so they are then in no position to challenge jurisdiction.

[palani]

a guy told the judge he wanted to represent himself.
If you actually could represent yourself (there is a clear conflict of interest here) then you become fungible. While the term fungible has been applied mostly to commodities (when you sell a bushel of corn your can deliver any bushel not a specific bushel) it really means that one thing can be substituted for another. When you are 'permitted' to represent yourself you substitute a person for a man (or woman).

Money is the only intrinsically fungible item and a Federal Reserve Note is NOT fungible. What does this tell you?

[7th trump]

If you actually could represent yourself (there is a clear conflict of interest here) then you become fungible. While the term fungible has been applied mostly to commodities (when you sell a bushel of corn your can deliver any bushel not a specific bushel) it really means that one thing can be substituted for another. When you are 'permitted' to represent yourself you substitute a person for a man (or woman).

Money is the only intrinsically fungible item and a Federal Reserve Note is NOT fungible. What does this tell you?

Any evidence frn's are not fungible?
I bet there are too many examples proving you a conveyor of cow manure!

For example:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fungibility

Fungibility is the property of a good or a commodity whose individual units are capable of mutual substitution. That is, it is the property of essences or goods which are "capable of being substituted in place of one another."[1] For example, since one ounce of gold is equivalent to any other ounce of gold, gold is fungible. Other fungible commodities include sweet crude oil, company shares, bonds, precious metals, and currencies. Fungibility refers only to the equivalence of each unit of a commodity with other units of the same commodity. Fungibility does not relate to the exchange of one commodity for another different commodity

That was easy proving you're a conveyor of cow manure

[7th trump]

The clowns in the black gowns do their very best to con folks into surrendering to an officer of the court (i.e. retaining a shyster) so they are then in no position to challenge jurisdiction.

No...the clowns in the black gowns are looking for you to get the best possible representation.
99.9% of the population doesnt have a clue how to address the court for the court to recognize you. A simple paralegal could easily cut down any goon trying to represent himself with no prior experience in legal land.

Take a look at palani's nonsense for perfect examples. He doesnt even read law, but yet he beleives hes an expert.
And if you ask any question about what he talking about.........he runs away by dodging the questions.
He'd rather beleive in lies than any truth.

[palani]

Any evidence frn's are not fungible?

I don't accept them. I might handle them as an agent for a principal but not for any uses of my own.

Things that are fungible may be substituted.


He doesnt even read law, but yet he beleives hes an expert.
I claim to be expert of my own law. Of foreign law I must claim ignorance. Your law is foreign law.

[7th trump]

I don't accept them. I might handle them as an agent for a principal but not for any uses of my own.

Things that are fungible may be substituted.


I claim to be expert of my own law. Of foreign law I must claim ignorance. Your law is foreign law.

Sorry...just because you don't use FRN's isn't sufficient to say they aren't fungible. Your opinion doesn't apply to the public domain
Your law has no standing in any court............real or imaginary.

[palani]

Sorry...just because you don't use FRN's isn't sufficient to say they aren't fungible.
Don't you think I am the ultimate judge of this? Or are you going to take responsibility for my actions?

Your opinion doesn't apply to the public domain
The public domain is foreign. Did I ever state that I 't expect my opinion to apply there?

Your law has no standing in any court............real or imaginary.
So why should I read their dicta or statutes?

[midnight rambler]

the best possible representation

Only the completely clueless braindead rubes would desire or seek re-presentation (i.e. presenting a legal fiction to have relations with another legal fiction, and of course legal fictions are not real they ARE imaginary).

[7th trump]

Only the completely clueless braindead rubes would desire or seek re-presentation (i.e. presenting a legal fiction to have relations with another legal fiction, and of course legal fictions are not real they ARE imaginary).

So what do you do when you are called up for jury duty?

They pull your ssn which is a fiction....now what smarty pants?

1. Are you going to ignore it? (good luck with that in dealing with another fiction who want answers.)
2. Or show up at the court house?

LFOL......thought you were too stupid to know your asshole from your nose when it comes to legal land.

You're better off just not saying anything at all because you aren't intelligent enough to be a good smart ass.

LFOL....hahahaha...........!

[midnight rambler]

your ssn

NEWSFLASH FOR THE CLUELESS: I DO NOT have a socialist insecurity #, the corporate state issued one to a minor in my case and no party can contract with a minor. And since I haven't been a REGISTERED VOTER in over 25 years I'm outside the view of any state actors with respect to jury duty, as far as they're concerned I don't exist/I'm invisible - which is fine by me.

Someone could stand to expand his horizons. lol

[7th trump]

NEWSFLASH FOR THE CLUELESS: I DO NOT have a socialist insecurity #, the corporate state issued one to a minor in my case and no party can contract with a minor. And since I haven't been a REGISTERED VOTER in over 25 years I'm outside the view of any state actors with respect to jury duty, as far as they're concerned I don't exist/I'm invisible - which is fine by me.

Someone could stand to expand his horizons. lol

Yes you do have a ssn and you use it all the time.
You're too ignorant in understanding how not to use it.

Applying for a ssn or merely having a ssn is not a contract. Contracts have obligations to fulfill. I have a ssn and yet I don't have to use it, as per the law, and having one doesn't mean I must use it.....see no obligation!
Feel free to be as ignorant as Palani is, you're doing great.......and I wont stop you as your actions suggest you prefer ignorance over integrity.

[palani]

having one doesn't mean I must use it.....see no obligation!

Æsop Fables

The Dog and the Wolf



A GAUNT Wolf was almost dead with hunger when he happened to meet a House-dog who was passing by. “Ah, Cousin,” said the Dog. “I knew how it would be; your irregular life will soon be the ruin of you. Why do you not work steadily as I do, and get your food regularly given to you?” 1
“I would have no objection,” said the Wolf, “if I could only get a place.” 2
“I will easily arrange that for you,” said the Dog; “come with me to my master and you shall share my work.” 3
So the Wolf and the Dog went towards the town together. On the way there the Wolf noticed that the hair on a certain part of the Dog’s neck was very much worn away, so he asked him how that had come about. 4
“Oh, it is nothing,” said the Dog. “That is only the place where the collar is put on at night to keep me chained up; it chafes a bit, but one soon gets used to it.” 5
“Is that all?” said the Wolf. “Then good-bye to you, Master Dog.”
“BETTER STARVE FREE THAN BE A FAT SLAVE.”

[7th trump]

Æsop Fables

The Dog and the Wolf



“BETTER STARVE FREE THAN BE A FAT SLAVE.”
Ohhh come now ooohhh wise one!
What is it about having a ssn that makes one a slave?

Like I say I have one....I don't use it on any W4...in fact ohhh wise one....I don't have a W4 on file with the company I work for. I get all my earnings and nothing is reported to the SSA....not even a 1099.

It seems to me its you who is the dog chained up with nowhere to go.
You say a lot of thing that you have never proven.
All you give is the illusion of freedom....excuses why your not free as you never show the door to freedom.....you cant because you're lost in the all the conspiracy.
When are you actually going to be free?

[palani]

What is it about having a ssn that makes one a slave?

The collar is on the mind and not the body. The marks the ssn leaves is on the soul and not the flesh.

[7th trump]

The collar is on the mind and not the body. The marks the ssn leaves is on the soul and not the flesh.

Only for the weak and peasants.

[palani]

Only for the weak and peasants.

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