Landmark study proves that magnets can control heat and sound

[singular_me]

since the bible reads: in the beginning was the Word... all sciences should give the study of electromagnetism and electricity an absolute priority
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Researchers at The Ohio State University have discovered how to control heat with a magnetic field.

In the March 23 issue of the journal Nature Materials, they describe how a magnetic field roughly the size of a medical MRI reduced the amount of heat flowing through a semiconductor by 12 percent.

The study is the first ever to prove that acoustic phonons—the elemental particles that transmit both heat and sound—have magnetic properties.

"This adds a new dimension to our understanding of acoustic waves," said Joseph Heremans, Ohio Eminent Scholar in Nanotechnology and professor of mechanical engineering at Ohio State. "We've shown that we can steer heat magnetically. With a strong enough magnetic field, we should be able to steer sound waves, too."

People might be surprised enough to learn that heat and sound have anything to do with each other, much less that either can be controlled by magnets, Heremans acknowledged. But both are expressions of the same form of energy, quantum mechanically speaking. So any force that controls one should control the other.

"Essentially, heat is the vibration of atoms," he explained. "Heat is conducted through materials by vibrations. The hotter a material is, the faster the atoms vibrate.

"Sound is the vibration of atoms, too," he continued. "It's through vibrations that I talk to you, because my vocal chords compress the air and create vibrations that travel to you, and you pick them up in your ears as sound."

The name "phonon" sounds a lot like "photon." That's because researchers consider them to be cousins: Photons are particles of light, and phonons are particles of heat and sound. But researchers have studied photons intensely for a hundred years—ever since Einstein discovered the photoelectric effect. Phonons haven't received as much attention, and so not as much is known about them beyond their properties of heat and sound....
http://phys.org/news/2015-03-landmark-magnets.html

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y1MDOerruDU


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VhaYLnjkf1E

[aeondaze]

since the bible reads: in the beginning was the Word... all sciences should give the study of electromagnetism and electricity an absolute priority
"Essentially, heat is the vibration of atoms," he explained. "Heat is conducted through materials by vibrations. The hotter a material is, the faster the atoms vibrate.

"Sound is the vibration of atoms, too," he continued. "It's through vibrations that I talk to you, because my vocal chords compress the air and create vibrations that travel to you, and you pick them up in your ears as sound."

The name "phonon" sounds a lot like "photon." That's because researchers consider them to be cousins: Photons are particles of light, and phonons are particles of heat and sound. But researchers have studied photons intensely for a hundred years—ever since Einstein discovered the photoelectric effect. Phonons haven't received as much attention, and so not as much is known about them beyond their properties of heat and sound....
http://phys.org/news/2015-03-landmark-magnets.html

WRONG!

Phonons are NOT particles, they are considered quasi-particles. Photons though, ARE particles.

BIG DIFFERENCE.

See, this is where your rudimentary understanding of science gets you into trouble. You don't know if what you're reading is correct or not.

See for yourself....


It all started in his theory of Fermi’s Liquid which was originally invented to study the liquid, Helium-3. Since the system that he studies is a stochastic system (you can view it as chaos or arbitrary system), he came into the idea on studying that system in simpler model that has the characteristic of actual system which is known as Mean-Field Theory (MFT).

However even in this MFT, the behaviour of the system for Fermi’s liquid he cannot avoid confronting particle-like object. He knows that it cannot be a particle since he already statistically outlines all the particle exists in that model but the particle seems to collide with a virtual particle that should not exist in the first place! Since it is not a particle, but behaves like one, he simply coined it as quasi-particle. Quasi semantically mean ‘seemingly; apparently but not really’ and by combining word quasi and particle, it is not hard for us to see that the ‘object’ which Landau discover are ‘seemingly; apparently but not really a particle’.

http://sciencebuzz.my/en/theory-principles/quasi-particle-is-not-a-particle/Page-2-1#

It acts like a particle, but technically it is NOT a particle.

So what is a phonon....


In physics, a phonon is a collective excitation in a periodic, elastic arrangement of atoms or molecules in condensed matter, such as solids and some liquids. Often referred to as a quasiparticle

Don't even try and argue this point, because I'm right!

The question you want to ask is why would an Eminent Scholar in Nanotechnology and Professor of Mechanical Engineering at Ohio State say this?

Because he is trying to get neophytes interested in science. He is deliberately dumbing it down so that ignorant people like you don't get scared away. This is what is known in the field as "light science digest" I've tried to warn you about this before, but you just refuse to listen.

Suffice to say, scientists have placed a top priority in researching electromagnetism for over a hundred years. You impatiently expect that scientists should know about everything immediately and when they don't then its because there has been a conspiracy to block research into the field. You are deliberately making it impossible for scientists to have ANY credibility.

Besides, the article itself is proof that there is no conspiracy! Here is this guy delving deeply into the nature of heat and sound. Is anyone threatening him? No. Is there a concerted effort to cover up his research? No. Everything is as it should be.

You're ideas about science are simplistic at best and at worst, loaded with false preconceptions, misunderstandings and your very own special brand of outrageous personal bias.

:)

[7th trump]

Singular,
This is no new understanding. What do you think induction heating is based on? The copper tube induces a frequency (sound, though we humans may not hear it) onto the metal metal tube (vibrating the atoms) almost melting it in a matter of seconds.
You can make one of these induction heaters like you see in the video in your garage with little to no experience with electronics.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ipZ4vdivbU

A speaker couldnt make sound without magnets or magnetism.
A speaker is nothing more than a simple modified solenoid attached to a paper cone that when injected with a signal makes the air compress and decompress.....sound!

You want to be enlightened?
Take an electronics course... electronics will open many doors of understanding.

[singular_me]

I am not saying at all that there is a conspiracy here but encouraging experimentation with magnets based on the bible saying: in the beginning was the Word. Word referring to frequencies

why dont you send what you say here to the university that did the experiment ? instead of resorting to rudeness and/or insults again.

personal bias = unification of sciences and spirituality ??? I LOVE it



Besides, the article itself is proof that there is no conspiracy! Here is this guy delving deeply into the nature of heat and sound. Is anyone threatening him? No. Is there a concerted effort to cover up his research? No. Everything is as it should be.

You're ideas about science are simplistic at best and at worst, loaded with false preconceptions, misunderstandings and your very own special brand of outrageous personal bias.

:)

[singular_me]

I am not following discoveries enough to determine what is completely new data in the field... whether new discovery or not, the point was to discuss how electromanetism and electricity could revolutionize ALL scientific fields alike as a sub tesla topic.

I never believed that the "unexplained phenomenon" video is unexplained, the title is a teaser for utubers... but posted it anyway to show simply the influence of magnets



Singular,
This is no new understanding. What do you think induction heating is based on? The copper tube induces a frequency (sound, though we humans may not hear it) onto the metal metal tube (vibrating the atoms) almost melting it in a matter of seconds.
You can make one of these induction heaters like you see in the video in your garage with little to no experience with electronics.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ipZ4vdivbU

A speaker couldnt make sound without magnets or magnetism.
A speaker is nothing more than a simple modified solenoid attached to a paper cone that when injected with a signal makes the air compress and decompress.....sound!

You want to be enlightened?
Take an electronics course... electronics will open many doors of understanding.

[aeondaze]

why dont you send what you say here to the university that did the experiment ? instead of resorting to rudeness and/or insults again.

personal bias = unification of sciences and spirituality ??? I LOVE it

There is no unification in regard to this.

Why would I contact the University? He/they know a phonon isn't a 'particle'...;)

[mick silver]

for a person that does not need the bible you use it for your needs a lot . see it in a lot of your post

[singular_me]

the interpretation of my OP turned out being completely wrong since you erroneously read that I implied there is a conspiracy. LOL

In the beginning was the WORD = frequencies, but it is foolish to even debate that with you since you are an atheist. You'd rather support the CERN's large hadron collider physicists and their insane experiments.

you storming through the door of this thread comes down to: Photons are particles of light, and phonons not being particles as claimed otherwise in the OP ??? LOL


There is no unification in regard to this.

Why would I contact the University? He/they know a phonon isn't a 'particle'...;)

[singular_me]

I was raised a christian and the more I understand sciences, the more see sciences in the bible... but just be fair.. I also use other spiritual references a lot more.

In my view, all religions converge... at some point. Thats why they all contain numbers in their texts/teachings. The facts are there for those who want to decipher them...

How do you understand "Word" in the Bible? Maybe you never thought of it...


for a person that does not need the bible you use it for your needs a lot . see it in a lot of your post

[aeondaze]

so now the all dilemma comes down to: Photons are particles of light, and phonons are particles of heat and sound... and phonons not being particles ?

Yes.

There is no dilemma. What makes you think there is?

Clearly you don't understand the quantum world. Nothing to be ashamed of mind you, most scientist don't understand it either and fereely admit as much.

It is by its nature paradoxical and defies any kind of Newtonian explanation but unfortunately, it is what it is and there is not point pretending anything other.

It isn't a short coming of modern science or a result of our inability to grasp the nature of matter on a subatomic scale, quantum states simply are what they are, or aren't...hahaha :p

[7th trump]

the interpretation of my OP turned out being completely wrong since you erroneously read that I implied there is a conspiracy. LOL

In the beginning was the WORD = frequencies, but it is foolish to even debate that with you since you are an atheist. You'd rather support the CERN's large hadron collider physicists and their insane experiments.

you storming through the door of this thread comes down to: Photons are particles of light, and phonons not being particles as claimed otherwise in the OP ??? LOL

I wouldnt use "frequencies" to equate "WORD".
By doing so you have both sides of your premise completely wrong from the start.
Theres nothing hidden in that scripture to indicate a secret hidden enlightenment singular.

[singular_me]

wait and see... I read some time ago that Dr. Goswami, CERN physicist admitted that "We (physicists) have no f*****g idea what we're doing"...

[singular_me]

thanks for your take. That must be why scholars still argue every day about its interpretation.

It is very sad (and I regard this as an unprecedented human tragedy) that so many have to separate religions and sciences.... but status quo for sure made so many happy until now. The reconciliation will have to occur at some point though.


I wouldnt use "frequencies" to equate "WORD".
By doing so you have both sides of your premise completely wrong from the start.
Theres nothing hidden in that scripture to indicate a secret hidden enlightenment singular.

[aeondaze]

wait and see... I read some time ago that Dr. Goswami, CERN physicist admitted that "We (physicists) have no f*****g idea what we're doing"...

I've been waiting sometime for all these obscure predictions you make to come to fruition, haven't seen anything as of yet!

Hey, here's an idea, PM when you are onto something definitive.

Context, context, context.

You need to take what people say into context. What he really means is "they have no idea what they're going to find" Clearly they do have a clue what they're doing or they wouldn't build the most expensive scientific apparatus in the history of mankind.

To think otherwise is beyond foolish.

Its a statement made by an excited scientist, not a defeated fool who confesses ignorance of his actions. To the contrary actually.

But of course, you would take his statement literally because it fits your narrow minded and warped view of modern science.
:cool:

[singular_me]

wait and see, aeon...

[aeondaze]

wait and see, aeon...

For what?





Wish in one hand, spit in the other and see which one fills up first

[aeondaze]

Still waiting.....:rolleyes:

I guess you're just full of shit then, but I already knew that. :D

[singular_me]

.. so you cannot delete what you just wrote. Aeon, I think you may have neurotic issues. have a little chat with yourself now

in my view the one who insults has already lost the debate.


Still waiting.....:rolleyes:

I guess you're just full of shit then, but I already knew that. :D

[aeondaze]

.. so you cannot delete what you just wrote. Aeon, I think you may have neurotic issues. have a little chat with yourself now

in my view the one who insults has already lost the debate.

Haha, I'm not the one who shows definitive signs of being bipolar unfortunately, that is the preserve of your good self :(

Your views aren't worth a dime.

So, where were we....you were saying "wait and see" and I rationally asked "for what?"

....still waiting?

I think you are having one of your manic turns again

:eek:

[singular_me]

you are just mad because you didnt read me well, in no way I was speaking of conspiracy theory in the OP, what caused your rant in the fist place - and now you have to be in verbal aggressive mode to make it up. Very sad.

OP:
The study is the first ever to prove that acoustic phonons—the elemental particles that transmit both heat and sound—have magnetic properties.

drop a note to the website, it will help managing your anger http://phys.org/

[aeondaze]

you are just mad because you didnt read me well, in no way I was speaking of conspiracy theory in the OP, what caused your rant in the fist place - and now you have to be in verbal aggressive mode to make it up. Very sad.

Me mad?

I think your confused again, it must be a symptom of your bipolarity.

I stand by my statements about your paranoia in regards to the so called conspiracy in the scientific community.

You have stated time and time again that the 'NWO' has been suppressing secret technology along with many and varied accusation about cover ups.

Its easy for one to perceive your views on this subject are in the same light,

Don't try and pretend that you don't think science and for that matter EVEN math, has been deliberately 'corupted' as you like to say.

[singular_me]

Me mad?

I think your confused again, it must be a symptom of your bipolarity.

I stand by my statements about your paranoia in regards to the so called conspiracy in the scientific community.

You have stated time and time again that the 'NWO' has been suppressing secret technology along with many and varied accusation about cover ups.

Its easy for one to perceive your views on this subject are in the same light,

[B]Don't try and pretend that you don't think science and for that matter EVEN math, has been deliberately 'corupted' as you like to say.

ooh I see, now you are invoking past threads as a whole.

to name a few:
big pharma deception, geo/bio engineering fraud, banking fallacies, FDA regulations hoaxes, dumbing down educational system, military complex, global collectivism/social science corruption, mass media brainwashing, etc...and academia misguiding intentionally research therefore.

take your pick:
1) all those PhDs are just stupid enough to follow NWO orders
2) math and philosophy alike deliberately corrupt at core by the NWO
3) you dont you see anything wrong

conclusion: is most of we know wrong or everything is just fine as it is?

[aeondaze]

Nice try. Dodge, bob, weave anything but actually backing up your bogus assertions.

Still waiting for this so called prediction of yours...?

The longer you take the more it just prove how fill of shit your are...:rolleyes:

[singular_me]

got ya... bye aeon... my pick is #2

wait and see for everything to crumble down...


Nice try. Dodge, bob, weave anything but actually backing up your bogus assertions.

The longer you take the more it just prove how fill of shit your are...:rolleyes:

[aeondaze]

got ya... bye aeon... my pick is #2

wait and see for everything to crumble down...

Yeah I thought so, #2 is the "your full of shit" one right?

:cool:

[Shami-Amourae]

Can't resist:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-agl0pOQfs

[aeondaze]

Can't resist:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-agl0pOQfs

Yeah fair enough :cool:

[palani]

What do you think induction heating is based on? The copper tube induces a frequency (sound, though we humans may not hear it) onto the metal metal tube (vibrating the atoms) almost melting it in a matter of seconds.

Hey buddy ... you better go back to school if this is the depth of your understanding.

Induction heating is a transformer pure and simple. I have worked on them from 6 khz to 20 khz and to 500 kw. A coil with the work in the middle is excited which creates an electro-magnetic field. That field induces a rather large current to flow in the work and eye squared arrrrr takes over from there. The higher the frequency the closer the current stays to the surface which might leave the core cold and the outside of the work red hot.

The semiconductor induction furnaces are the harder ones to work on. They are less reliable than the old electrical driven high frequency mechanical generators (Gleasons) and much more expensive to repair.

[singular_me]

Tnx palani for this additional input.

I merely posted this to spread awareness about (electro)magnetism research, as it the *very first time* phonons are given so much attention. And I do trust the OP on that: it is the first ever that acoustic phonon are proven in a experiment, besides I prefer to rely on Walter Russells theories .... in my view, the rest is secondary. Especially rants about a particle vs quasiparticle definition.

[7th trump]

Hey buddy ... you better go back to school if this is the depth of your understanding.

Induction heating is a transformer pure and simple. I have worked on them from 6 khz to 20 khz and to 500 kw. A coil with the work in the middle is excited which creates an electro-magnetic field. That field induces a rather large current to flow in the work and eye squared arrrrr takes over from there. The higher the frequency the closer the current stays to the surface which might leave the core cold and the outside of the work red hot.

The semiconductor induction furnaces are the harder ones to work on. They are less reliable than the old electrical driven high frequency mechanical generators (Gleasons) and much more expensive to repair.

Yeah....I know!
Electro-magnetic field.............hello?
Is anybody home Palani?
And no, its not a transformer either...its a coil. Transformers are two coils wrapped next to each other to either step up or step down a voltage where current is inversely proportional to the voltage.

Induction heating is this:

Induction heating is the process of heating an electrically conducting object (usually a metal) by electromagnetic induction, through heat generated in the object by eddy currents (also called Foucault currents).
If it was a transformer then why doesn't a transformer get red hot in seconds?
Sure you find eddy currents in transformers but induction heating isn't a transformer.....its a coil!

KHz...huh?
Isnt that sound frequency?
Sound, magnetics and heat....all wrapped up into one..........did you just wake up from a drunken stupor?
Or you just trying another attempt at proving me wrong...kinda like your root means square thingy you really fucked up about a year ago...pretty embarrassing for you wasn't it.

[palani]

Tnx palani for this additional input.

I merely posted this to spread awareness about (electro)magnetism research, as it the *very first time* phonons are given so much attention. And I do trust the OP on that: it is the first ever that acoustic phonon are proven.... in my view, the rest is secondary. Especially particles vs quasiparticles.

Frequently people use electrical and electronic terms in a completely different context that what these were intended for. Particles vs quasi-particles? Quasi means NOT. Sort of gets back to the wave vs particle argument. Scientists are still puzzling over how the presence or absence of an observer can alter the outcome of an experiment. They have not made certain connections concerning the relationship between the mind and the universe. The book THE MASTER KEY SYSTEM describes this connection.

As to magnetism I have used it several times in ways doctors would not understand. Once a strong magnet reduced a polyp in my sinus to something more manageable and while still there it has never grown to the size it previously was. A magnet on a minor burn instantly took away the pain and the burn did not develop a boil. I sit on a strong north pole magnet while driving to prevent prostate problems and I sleep in a 20 gauss magnetic field because the earth's magnetic field has declined to .4 gauss.

[palani]

Yeah....I know!
Electro-magnetic field.............hello?

You really want to discuss electrical theory with an electrical engineer?

[Cebu_4_2]

You really want to discuss electrical theory with an electrical engineer?

Should talk to my kid.

[singular_me]

well it gives some relief to read this on here now as many members into it are gone. Such a topic should be approached a lot more because the Knowledge is out there and theorized. I know of the "absence of an observer" factors as well that screw up experiments. Will be looking for the book as I always like a compelling read about true science.

I am also glad to read that you practice the use of magnets to improve your health.



Scientists are still puzzling over how the presence or absence of an observer can alter the outcome of an experiment. They have not made certain connections concerning the relationship between the mind and the universe. The book THE MASTER KEY SYSTEM describes this connection.

[7th trump]

You really want to discuss electrical theory with an electrical engineer?

An electrical engineer huh?
What ever.......

Doesn't understand root means square.......and now trying to tell me the coil in an induction heater is a transformer.
Did it occur to you why they are using a copper tube in the video I link?

[palani]

Doesn't understand root means square. Do you mean ROOT MEAN SQUARE as in RMS?



now trying to tell me the coil in an induction heater is a transformer.
If you have a clamp on AC ammeter you have a transformer with a one turn primary. If you want to increase the sensitivity of it make several wraps around the probe.


Did it occur to you why they are using a copper tube in the video I link? Didn't watch any video but frequently there is a lot of heat from eye squared arrrr so water is passed through these conductors to keep them from melting down. Tubes are ideal for passing water through.

[Horn]

Next they will tell us this was the hidden factor in global warming debate, and we need be very diligent on our path, so when the Sun resumes a normal cycle the gains will not be instant.

I might have assumed a field that large would have some effect on a small heat source. What other relevance can be obtained?

[Horn]

Schwartz be with u


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-6hosFAObI

[Glass]

palani, what method do you use to sleep in a magnetic field?


Geopathic Stress: Why You Want to Avoid the Spot Your Cat Sleeps In
Cats, ants and termites have an unusual characteristic in common; they’re all attracted to geopathic stress zones.
Geopathic stress is natural radiation that rises up through the earth (http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2008/06/12/should-you-protect-yourself-from-earth-radiation.aspx) and becomes distorted by weak electro-magnetic fields, created by subterranean running water, certain mineral concentrations, fault lines, and underground cavities.
Electropathological energy created by modern technology such as high and low frequency energy from telecommunication towers, electricity pylons, transformers, radar and radio towers can also contribute to geopathic stress.

cats are very particular where they sleep but I detect it as seeking a cubby hole. Maybe not.

[singular_me]

very interesting video which I learned about "post materialistic science" from, another growing trend that surely favors bridging spirituality and sciences... it really deserves an epic thread on its own when I have read enough on the topic.


Schwartz be with u


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-6hosFAObI

[7th trump]

Do you mean ROOT MEAN SQUARE as in RMS?



If you have a clamp on AC ammeter you have a transformer with a one turn primary. If you want to increase the sensitivity of it make several wraps around the probe.

Didn't watch any video but frequently there is a lot of heat from eye squared arrrr so water is passed through these conductors to keep them from melting down. Tubes are ideal for passing water through.

Only one problem....we arent talking about an AC ammeter are we?
We are talking about a circuit producing a specific frequency thats run through an amplifier circuit and then to the copper tubing.
You can put a solid piece of metal in the coil and it'll heat up instantly, give it a few more seconds and its red hot...a few more seconds and its melting.
Thats unheard of for in the garage tinkering.

Look it up Palani there are some people using bread boards with 555 timers to generate the frequency and some simple matching NPN and PNP mosfet amps to melt steel in seconds.

If you think about it a person could come up with a system that runs solely on DC to heat a home......fairly cheap and be completely off grid and easily maintained on a small circuit board no bigger than a pack of cigs.
These induction heaters you see being built in the garage (youtube) by someone with little no no experience opens doors to unlimited possibilities....water can be heated on demand with these circuits.

[palani]

what method do you use to sleep in a magnetic field?

https://magneticosleep.com/

300 lb mattress (comes in four pieces at 75 lbs each) between the box spring and the mattress. Canadian outfit called MAGNETICO. If i take a compass I get 90 degree deflection from North about 15 feet away from the mattress. A crt TV 5 feet away has rainbow colors from the electron beam deflection due to the magnetism.

Also ... only use North pole and never South. North pole is healing and calming and alkaline forming while south pole is the opposite.

[palani]

we arent talking about an AC ammeter are we?
If you are talking frequency you are talking AC ... I use the clamp on Amprobe as an example of a single turn transformer.

I am sure you are aware of CT's too. These are the same as those Amprobes with a single turn primary (the wire they are clamped on) and a multi-turn secondary. The power type CT's are all rated 5 amp secondary. So say you have a 1,000 amp circuit and a 5 amp secondary on the CT. That means the turns ratio is 200:1. Now when you transform the current down this far you are also transforming the voltage UP. So if this was a 480 vac branch the secondary voltage on the CT would be 200 x 480 = 96,000 volts. This amount of voltage can cause a serious POP!!! All CT's are designed to work into zero ohms impedance. They do this by connecting an ammeter across them.






We are talking about a circuit producing a specific frequency thats run through an amplifier circuit and then to the copper tubing.
You can put a solid piece of metal in the coil and it'll heat up instantly, give it a few more seconds and its red hot...a few more seconds and its melting.
Thats unheard of for in the garage tinkering.

Look it up Palani there are some people using bread boards with 555 timers to generate the frequency and some simple matching NPN and PNP mosfet amps to melt steel in seconds.

If you think about it a person could come up with a system that runs solely on DC to heat a home......fairly cheap and be completely off grid and easily maintained on a small circuit board no bigger than a pack of cigs.
These induction heaters you see being built in the garage (youtube) by someone with little no no experience opens doors to unlimited possibilities....water can be heated on demand with these circuits.

Far out, man. You obey statutes yet are perfectly willing to violate the law of conservation of energy. Personally I think if you need to heat your house grab those statutes and throw 'em in the furnace. They might be useful then.

[7th trump]

If you are talking frequency you are talking AC ... I use the clamp on Amprobe as an example of a single turn transformer.

I am sure you are aware of CT's too. These are the same as those Amprobes with a single turn primary (the wire they are clamped on) and a multi-turn secondary. The power type CT's are all rated 5 amp secondary. So say you have a 1,000 amp circuit and a 5 amp secondary on the CT. That means the turns ratio is 200:1. Now when you transform the current down this far you are also transforming the voltage UP. So if this was a 480 vac branch the secondary voltage on the CT would be 200 x 480 = 96,000 volts. This amount of voltage can cause a serious POP!!! All CT's are designed to work into zero ohms impedance. They do this by connecting an ammeter across them.

What makes you think I'm violating the law of energy conservation?
Did you even look up what that is?
If I'm voiolating the law of conservation then those people using homemade induction heaters are too, but the video's arent faked.

How much energy do you think it takes to run a small induction heater to heat up a iron rod to the melting point like in the video?
They are heating up the iron rod to a red hot temp with a 120v source (which is converted to a dc) in 3 seconds........it'll take far more natural gas to do the same.

So wheres the violation of energy conservation being committed?







Far out, man. You obey statutes yet are perfectly willing to violate the law of conservation of energy. Personally I think if you need to heat your house grab those statutes and throw 'em in the furnace. They might be useful then.


Thats a real nice example of you displaying you understand a transformer...big freaken deal!
Many other people understand them as well.
But your problem is we arent talking about how an ammeter works....we're talking about a coil. A coil you said was a transformer which it is not. Transformers have two or more coils. The induction heater uses only one (1) coil. This induction coil happens to be a tube and is used as the choke in a resonating circuit that generates the fluctuating magentic field that for a better word heats up the metalic object within the coil.

Who ever said I obey statutes?
I learn the statutes to avoid them....and you know this.
This is how reversed engineered the Title 26 Chapter 24 statutes to stop volunteering myself into Social Security...but again you know this ...so why are you being dishonest?

[palani]

The induction heater uses only one (1) coil. This induction coil happens to be a tube and is used as the choke in a resonating circuit that generates the fluctuating magentic field that for a better word heats up the metalic object within the coil.
The name 'induction' comes about because one coil induces a voltage or current in another coil. What you fail to recognize is that a straight conductor in a magnetic field is a coil. I expect you imagine a coil has to have a big label on it that says this thing is a coil



Who ever said I obey statutes?
I learn the statutes to avoid them....and you know this.
This is how reversed engineered the Title 26 Chapter 24 statutes to stop volunteering myself into Social Security...but again you know this ...so why are you being dishonest?
Statutes of any form shape or fashion is a benefit. You use ANY of them and you are now subject to them by your own actions. If you ignore them after accepting the benefit then you class yourself a criminal.

[7th trump]

The name 'induction' comes about because one coil induces a voltage or current in another coil. What you fail to recognize is that a straight conductor in a magnetic field is a coil. I expect you imagine a coil has to have a big label on it that says this thing is a coil



Statutes of any form shape or fashion is a benefit. You use ANY of them and you are now subject to them by your own actions. If you ignore them after accepting the benefit then you class yourself a criminal.

Hmmmmm.....so with these new induction cook tops coming out on the market......I guess by your logic a fry pan and pot are coils huh?
So why dont the secondary coils in a tranformer heat up and melt down?

I'm curious........does logic skip every other generation in you family tree?


Funny you say that about statutes..........none of the IRS or Social Security statutes apply to me.....atleast none of the IRS statutes dealing "employment".

Heres an article you need to read about how induction heaters work......and no your thesis on induction heaters is wrong...the rod is not a coil...but an "object" that is induced the magnetic field to produce the eddy currents within the area of the coil....the object will take the physical place of a secondary coil....but its not a coil.

How Does Induction Heating Work?


When a magnetic field changes near a metal or other conductive object, a flow of current (known as an eddy current) will be induced in the material and will generate heat. The heat generated is proportional to the current squared multiplied by the resistance of the material. The effects of induction are used in transformers for converting voltages in all sorts of appliances. Most transformers have a metallic core and will therefore have eddy currents induced into them when in use. Transformer designers use different techniques to prevent this as the heating is just wasted energy. In this project we will directly make use of this heating effect and try to maximise the heating effect produced by the eddy currents.

If we apply a continuously changing current to a coil of wire, we will have a continuously changing magnetic field within it. At higher frequencies the induction effect is quite strong and will tend to concentrate on the surface of the material being heated due to the skin effect. Typical induction heaters use frequencies from 10kHz to 1MHz.

At 12vdc drawing 6 amps to heat up a piece of iron red hot in seconds is very effient and cheaper than using a gas furnace.
You get more effient if you use a material that is more resistive to current to heat faster using less energy.
Design a one room induction heater for each room in the house and you could heat a house quite efficiently with better management of temperature...no more duct work through the house. Just a little duct in the wall to suck the cold air from the floor up inside a wall to the heater unit in the attic and circulated back into the same room. A simple temp sensor in each room can control each room. Cheap and easy....and dc!

You reading this Ponce?

[palani]

Hmmmmm.....so with these new induction cook tops coming out on the market......I guess by your logic a fry pan and pot are coils huh? Easy enough question to put to rest. Go ask a salesman if corning ware can be used on an induction stove.



why dont the secondary coils in a tranformer heat up and melt down? It is called 'design'. When you exceed the design likely they will melt down.

Now why didn't you ask why the core doesn't melt down in a transformer? The reasons are several. First they use laminations and electrically isolate those laminations to keep eddy current losses low (eye squared arrrr again). Next the iron content might be sintered rather than laminated. Also the MMF (magneto motive force) and reluctance are both designed so that saturation in the core is avoided. Should you find a saturated core you will find that inductance no longer limits primary current and the primary IR drop is the only factor used to keep primary current from going skyward.


.does logic skip every other generation in you family tree? Electricians have no understanding of logic. They merely know how to strip insulation and land wires on terminals.



none of the IRS or Social Security statutes apply to me.....atleast none of the IRS statutes dealing "employment". Jail bait. The only reason you have avoided them so far is they don't bother with little fish.


Heres an article you need to read about how induction heaters work......and no your thesis on induction heaters is wrong...the rod is not a coil...but an "object" that is induced the magnetic field to produce the eddy currents within the area of the coil.

You couldn't recognize a transformer if one came up and bit you in the a$$

[Jewboo]

Canadian outfit called MAGNETICO. If i take a compass I get 90 degree deflection from North about 15 feet away from the mattress. A crt TV 5 feet away has rainbow colors from the electron beam deflection due to the magnetism. Also ... only use North pole and never South. North pole is healing and calming and alkaline forming while south pole is the opposite.




http://liveto110.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/Screen-Shot-2014-10-25-at-6.45.26-PM.png


:rolleyes: typical Goldissima new age "science" thread...lol.

[palani]

typical Goldissima new age "science" thread...lol.
[/CENTER]

You can get cheap ones from Japan if you don't mind destroying your body. The cheap ones alternate N and S poles and you get as much bad energy as you get good.

[7th trump]

Easy enough question to put to rest. Go ask a salesman if corning ware can be used on an induction stove.
Do you think a secondary coil made of corning glass will conduct?

It is called 'design'. When you exceed the design likely they will melt down.
Very good

Now why didn't you ask why the core doesn't melt down in a transformer? The reasons are several. First they use laminations and electrically isolate those laminations to keep eddy current losses low (eye squared arrrr again). Next the iron content might be sintered rather than laminated. Also the MMF (magneto motive force) and reluctance are both designed so that saturation in the core is avoided. Should you find a saturated core you will find that inductance no longer limits primary current and the primary IR drop is the only factor used to keep primary current from going skyward.

Electricians have no understanding of logic. They merely know how to strip insulation and land wires on terminals.
Really.......I have 6 years in the class room plus countless months taking update courses.


Jail bait. The only reason you have avoided them so far is they don't bother with little fish.
Jail Bait my ass.....its the Social Security Administration who collects the "employment" (W3 information) and updates the IRS database. I earn -0- "wages".
I couldnt file a 1040 if I wanted to.
The IRS has no "income" data to assess the Section 1 tax.


You couldn't recognize a transformer if one came up and bit you in the a$$
It appears you cant recognize a coil from a transformer. Transformers have two or more coils wrapped together around a single core. A coil can be wrapped around a core or air....but theres only one (1) coil...not two or more like a transformer.

[ximmy]

You really want to discuss electrical theory with an electrical engineer?


It appears you cant recognize a coil from a transformer. Transformers have two or more coils wrapped together around a single core. A coil can be wrapped around a core or air....but theres only one (1) coil...not two or more like a transformer.


You are defeated time and again in lots of threads, but continue to battle on, exposed for all to see. You are fooling no one.

Have you ever heard of the term "repentance?" It might do you some good.

[palani]

Do you think a secondary coil made of corning glass will conduct?
In your world does glass conduct?


I have 6 years in the class room plus countless months taking update courses.
I am sure you spent many years understanding the NEC. They don't teach electricians how to design and math is limited to the number of fingers and toes they can get to.




IRS has no "income" data to assess the Section 1 tax.
Didn't I say SMALL FISH? Do you not understand this concept?


you cant recognize a coil from a transformer.
Good luck heating your house with a 9 volt transistor battery.

[7th trump]

You are defeated time and again in lots of threads, but continue to battle on, exposed for all to see. You are fooling no one.

Have you ever heard of the term "repentance?" It might do you some good.

Apparently you're a bigger dumb ass than you portray yourself to be.
Why do you drop in a thread and make a stupid comment on a subject you have no idea about?

I'll bite Ximmy.....whats a transformer and whats a coil.
Do you know the difference from each?
If you do ...please enlighten Palani...he seems to have no idea.

[7th trump]

In your world does glass conduct?


I am sure you spent many years understanding the NEC. They don't teach electricians how to design and math is limited to the number of fingers and toes they can get to.




Didn't I say SMALL FISH? Do you not understand this concept?


Good luck heating your house with a 9 volt transistor battery.

A degree in avionics.......with 3 years of credits from the IBEW...not counting the years of continueing education classes at the IBEW.

And you're the one who didnt understand "root mean square"....hahahahahaha....what was it?
Ohhh yeah......tried to say RMS applies to DC.
RMS applies to AC to calculate the equivalent DC......Bahahahahaha!
Yep some engineer you are!
Now you're trying to say a single coil is a transformer.

Only you would say a single solid rod of iron 2 inches in length is a coil..........LOL!

[JohnQPublic]

aeondaze- I have no issue with you being critical in your arguments, but do you think you could do it without resorting to insults?

[JohnQPublic]

Explained: Phonons (http://newsoffice.mit.edu/2010/explained-phonons-0706)

When trying to control the way heat moves through solids, it is often useful to think of it as a flow of particles.


David L. Chandler, MIT News Office
July 8, 2010


For the engineers who design cell phones, solar panels and computer chips, it’s increasingly important to be able to control the way heat moves through the crystalline materials — such as silicon — that these devices are based on. In computer and cell-phone chips, for example, one of the key limitations to increasing speed and memory is the need to dissipate the heat generated by the chips.

To understand how heat spreads through a material, consider that heat — as well as sound — is actually the motion or vibration of atoms and molecules: Low-frequency vibrations correspond to sound, while higher frequencies correspond to heat. At each frequency, quantum mechanics principles dictate that the vibrational energy must be a multiple of a basic amount of energy, called a quantum, that is proportional to the frequency. Physicists call these basic levels of energy phonons.


In a sense, then, “phonon” is just a fancy word for a particle of heat.

Phonons are especially relevant in the behavior of heat and sound in crystals, explains Gang Chen, the Soderberg Professor of Power Engineering at MIT. In a crystal, the atoms are neatly arranged in a uniform, repeating structure; when heated, the atoms can oscillate at specific frequencies. The bonds between the individual atoms in a crystal behave essentially like springs, Chen says. When one of the atoms gets pushed or pulled, it sets off a wave (or phonon) travelling through the crystal, just as sitting down on one edge of a trampoline can set off vibrations through the entire surface.
In practice, most materials are filled with a chaotic mix of phonons that have different frequencies and are traveling in different directions, all superimposed on each other, in the same way that the seemingly chaotic movements of a choppy sea can (theoretically) be untangled to reveal a variety of superimposed waveforms of different frequencies and directions.

But unlike photons (the particles that carry light or other electromagnetic radiation), which generally don’t interact at all if they have different wavelengths, phonons of different wavelengths can interact and mix when they bump into each other, producing a different wavelength. This makes their behavior much more chaotic and thus difficult to predict and control.

Just as photons of a given frequency can only exist at certain specific energy levels — exact multiples of the basic quanta —so, too, can phonons, Chen says. And when working on applied physics relating to the transfer of heat within solids, which is a specific focus of Chen’s research, thinking in terms of phonons has proved to be especially useful.

For example, in the quest for better ways to dissipate heat from computer chips — a key requirement as chips get faster and pack in more components — finding ways to manipulate the behavior of the phonons in those chips, so the heat can be removed easily, is the key. Conversely, in designing thermoelectric devices to generate electricity from temperature differences, it’s important to develop materials that can conduct electricity (the motion of electrons) easily, but block the motion of phonons (that is, heat).

“In some cases, you want strong conduction of phonons, and in some cases you want to reduce their propagation,” Chen says. “Sometimes they’re good guys, and sometimes they’re bad guys.”

[palani]

.tried to say RMS applies to DC.
RMS applies to AC to calculate the equivalent DC
I could explain the concept in a way you could understand if you had a few more fingers and toes.


Only you would say a single solid rod of iron 2 inches in length is a coil..........LOL!
Did I ever say that?

Actually I designed the control system on five induction hardening machines for Deere years ago. The part being hardened was axles for Deere tractors. Each axle is much larger in diameter than 2 inches and the inductor induced currents in the axle that made it pretty much red hot locally in the vicinity of the inductor but the core did not get that hot and the hot area was quenched pretty fast after the inductor traversed by.

Now that axle was the secondary of a pretty serious transformer.

Your failing is you would rather argue than learn. In addition your obnoxious comments are demeaning and insulting.

Goodbye

[7th trump]

I could explain the concept in a way you could understand if you had a few more fingers and toes.


Did I ever say that?

Actually I designed the control system on five induction hardening machines for Deere years ago. The part being hardened was axles for Deere tractors. Each axle is much larger in diameter than 2 inches and the inductor induced currents in the axle that made it pretty much red hot locally in the vicinity of the inductor but the core did not get that hot and the hot area was quenched pretty fast after the inductor traversed by.
Yeah big freaken deal...what does it have to do with anything?

Now that axle was the secondary of a pretty serious transformer.
Wrong.........an axle isn't the secondary of a transformer. What's funny is if you take your illogical theory then the food and plate you put into a microwave is the secondary of a transformer....is that what you are saying?

Your failing is you would rather argue than learn. In addition your obnoxious comments are demeaning and insulting.

Goodbye
What you are saying is any circuit wired to a transformer secondary coil is part of the coil..........that's just plain bullshit.
A steel rod 2 inches long that doesn't touch the induction coil isn't a coil nor does it compose as a secondary on a transformer.
You're confusing the eddy currents you find in a transformer core with the eddy currents induced into the straight metal rod.

[Neuro]

Hey Horn which post was it you reported as "Rude condesending pretencious and belittleing" in this thread?

[Horn]

That's a quasi-particulate question.

http://gold-silver.us/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=7449&stc=1

[singular_me]

I'd think that the letters "JQP" is a good hint

[Horn]

http://gold-silver.us/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=7482&stc=1

[singular_me]

we cant see anything Horn

[singular_me]

we cant see anything Horn