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EE_
27th March 2015, 10:58 PM
So this is what was really dumped into the ocean right after the accident. Sounds like quite a bit more then anyone knew?
Gov’t Report: Plutonium at 1,000,000 Bq/m3 was detected in ocean off Fukushima — “Contaminated waters will be transported rapidly to east” across Pacific — This is “the most important direct liquid release of artificial radioactivity into sea ever known” — Scientists: “Remember, its not just cesium that’s released”
Published: March 27th, 2015 at 12:37 pm ET
By ENENews
Comparison between modelling and measurement of marine dispersion, environmental half-time and 137Cs inventories after the Fukushima Daiichi accident, Pascal Bailly du Bois (IRSN), Pierre Garreau (IFREMER), Philippe Laguionie (IRSN), Irène Korsakissok (IRSN), 2014: Contamination of the marine environment following the accident at the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant (FDNPP) represents the most important influx of artificial radioactivity released into the sea ever recorded… The direct liquid releases from FDNPP represent the largest influx of artificial radioactivity into the sea ever occurring over a short period of time on a small spatial scale… Although controlled releases of liquid effluent from the Sellafield reprocessing plant can be compared in terms of total quantities, they have occurred over several years (1970-1980) instead of days, weeks and months as in the case of the FDNPP accident… [W]hatever the detailed current direction at the time of the accident is, water mass fluxes were governed by the generally strong Kuroshio and Oyashio currents that are stable at this scale… Contaminated waters will be transported rapidly to the east… Contamination of the marine environment following the accident at the FDNPP represents the most important direct liquid release of artificial radioactivity into the sea ever known…
Supplementary material for study: Database of seawater measurements (.xls spreadsheet) http://enenews.com/govt-report-1000000-bqm3-plutonium-detected-ocean-fukushima-contaminated-waters-transported-rapidly-east-across-pacific-fukushima-crisis-important-direct-liquid-release-artificial-radioactivity
palani
28th March 2015, 05:24 AM
https://books.google.com/books?id=J90PQpnE5l4C&pg=PA1168&lpg=PA1168&dq=1,000,000+Bq/m3&source=bl&ots=SbOEUkbDXD&sig=OUPuEomtDh8c592sGDITbAfWcwc&hl=en&sa=X&ei=TZwWVcH-JIvgoASgkYCICg&ved=0CD0Q6AEwBg#v=onepage&q=1%2C000%2C000%20Bq%2Fm3&f=false
http://s22.postimg.org/eirmw29db/radon.jpg
JohnQPublic
28th March 2015, 11:07 AM
Not trying to minimize this, but a banana contains about 130 Bq/kg (http://truenorthreports.com/facts-and-information-about-radiation-exposure). An average shipment of bananas is 10,000,000 pounds (http://community.plu.edu/~bananas/economic/) or 4,500,000 kg. This means if a banana ship sank, it would pollute the ocean (whichever) with 590,100,000 Bq of radiation (though not plutonium). Or conversely, the 1,000,000 Bq is about 7700 kgs of bananas.
palani
28th March 2015, 11:16 AM
Not trying to minimize this, but a banana contains about 130 Bq/kg (http://truenorthreports.com/facts-and-information-about-radiation-exposure). An average shipment of bananas is 10,000,000 pounds (http://community.plu.edu/~bananas/economic/) or 4,500,000 kg. This means if a banana ship sank, it would pollute the ocean (whichever) with 590,100,000 Bq of radiation (though not plutonium). Or conversely, the 1,000,000 Bq is about 7700 kgs of bananas.
If you could squeeze that shipload of banana's into one meter cubed then you might actually achieve a banana smoothie called COLD FUSION.
JohnQPublic
28th March 2015, 11:19 AM
If you could squeeze that shipload of banana's into one meter cubed then you might actually achieve a banana smoothie called COLD FUSION.
No, just call it Fruision. If you pack the bananas in a wheat binder, then in addition to energy you get banana bread!
expat4ever
28th March 2015, 03:48 PM
We dont need any oceans anyway, Cant drink salt water so whats it good for.
Spectrism
29th March 2015, 08:04 AM
Not trying to minimize this, but a banana contains about 130 Bq/kg (http://truenorthreports.com/facts-and-information-about-radiation-exposure). An average shipment of bananas is 10,000,000 pounds (http://community.plu.edu/~bananas/economic/) or 4,500,000 kg. This means if a banana ship sank, it would pollute the ocean (whichever) with 590,100,000 Bq of radiation (though not plutonium). Or conversely, the 1,000,000 Bq is about 7700 kgs of bananas.
This analogy has erroneously been proffered to minimize the reality of the Fuku situation. There is a big difference in energy levels between banana potassium and Ce134/137.
You could say that getting shot by 100 rounds of 7.62 is the same as 100 hits by a BB gun.... but it is not the same.
Horn
29th March 2015, 08:40 AM
If you could squeeze that shipload of banana's into one meter cubed then you might actually achieve a banana smoothie called COLD FUSION.
You can do anything if you're the center of yur universe.
Why though do complete groups vanish from time to time?
http://enenews.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/BdB_2014_SM.gif
palani
29th March 2015, 08:49 AM
You can do anything if you're the center of yur universe. Anything within the limits of the mind.
Why though do complete groups vanish from time to time?
To answer this question you need to find out why they appear to begin with. The Roman's handled this concept quite easily:
De non apparentibus et non existntibus eadem est ratio. The
reason is the same respecting things which do not appear, and
those which do not exist.
Horn
29th March 2015, 09:00 AM
The
reason is the same respecting things which do not appear, and
those which do not exist.
By this reasoning, we should be able to round the last 0 off of each and every result then call them more precise.
palani
29th March 2015, 09:26 AM
By this reasoning, we should be able to round the last 0 off of each and every result then call them more precise.
Are you rounding UP or DOWN?
Horn
29th March 2015, 09:47 AM
Are you rounding UP or DOWN?
I'm rounding them off completely by removing them, cause they're all 0s except one result of cs136 @ 11.
Neuro
29th March 2015, 09:51 AM
If you could squeeze that shipload of banana's into one meter cubed then you might actually achieve a banana smoothie called COLD FUSION.
I think at 7.7 g/cm3 it would be a very tough smoothie. In some areas of Sweden following the Chernobyl accident in 1986, they measured radioactivity in wildlife (like elk and reindeer meat), upwards to about 50,000 Bqs/kg, in areas where it rained a couple of days after the meltdown, they did a follow up a few years ago looking for increased rates of cancer in these particularly exposed areas, on epidemiological data, but they couldn't find any difference. Sweden was the country in Western Europe who got most exposed from Chernobyl.
I think there is this propensity among some to overestimate the dangers of radiation!
JohnQPublic
29th March 2015, 10:00 AM
This analogy has erroneously been proffered to minimize the reality of the Fuku situation. There is a big difference in energy levels between banana potassium and Ce134/137.
You could say that getting shot by 100 rounds of 7.62 is the same as 100 hits by a BB gun.... but it is not the same.
The analogy was intended to put the measurement into perspective. When an article talks about 1,000,000 Bq of radiation it sounds very scary (WOW! a million), but the truth is that 1 Bq is very, very, very tiny (one disintegration per second). The measurement is not insignificant, but it is not some harbinger of death of the earth either. My feeling is that very few people actually have an intuitive feeling about the meaning of radiation doses in any units (Bq, Curies, Rad, etc.), myself included. For instance, 1 curie is 37,000,000,000 Bq. It helps to put the numbers into perspective.
JohnQPublic
29th March 2015, 10:13 AM
I think at 7.7 g/cm3 it would be a very tough smoothie. In some areas of Sweden following the Chernobyl accident in 1986, they measured radioactivity in wildlife (like elk and reindeer meat), upwards to about 50,000 Bqs/kg, in areas where it rained a couple of days after the meltdown, they did a follow up a few years ago looking for increased rates of cancer in these particularly exposed areas, on epidemiological data, but they couldn't find any difference. Sweden was the country in Western Europe who got most exposed from Chernobyl.
I think there is this propensity among some to overestimate the dangers of radiation!
The scariest thing about the reported measurement is really not the radiation level, but rather it is the fact that the radiation originated from plutonium (according to the article). Radiation at 1 MM Bq is probably not a big deal (I would not want to be measuring it, for sure), but the fact that they found 1 sample of plutonium of that size randomly probably indicates there are a hell of a lot more samples out there, and that is indicative of a lot of plutonium floating around the ocean. Of course, I suspect it does not even come close to the plutonium put out by atmospheric nuclear weapons tests.
Spectrism
29th March 2015, 10:29 AM
There are two concerns about this. Plutonium is emitting more energetic radiation than many common environmental sources. A measurement at one point says nothing for overall quantity.
EE_
29th March 2015, 10:35 AM
Do you think we got dosed with plutonium after the nuclear explosion? Could it be in the ocean and everywhere else?
Everything in the east comes to the west, by air or by water.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nw2Aw3komgc
About 29% of San Francisco’s pollution comes from China
APRIL 2, 2014
While some governments may be more environmentally conscious and apply strict environmental policies, other are not. It’s important, however, that the whole world reaches some form of common ground. After all, we’re all breathing the same air – more or less. Just so you get a finer picture, just take note of the fact that 29% of the pollution in the San Francisco Bay Area comes from China, according to a study published in the Environmental Science and Technology.
http://www.rdmag.com/sites/rdmag.com/files/ChinaPollution-250.jpg
Made in China for us: Air pollution as well as exports
Study finds blowback causes extra day per year of ozone smog in LA
Chinese air pollution blowing across the Pacific Ocean is often caused by the manufacturing of goods for export to the U.S. and Europe, according to findings by UC Irvine and other researchers published today in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences.
The study is the first to quantify how much of the pollution reaching the American West Coast is from the production in China of cellphones, televisions and other consumer items imported here and elsewhere.
“We’ve outsourced our manufacturing and much of our pollution, but some of it is blowing back across the Pacific to haunt us,” said UC Irvine Earth system scientist Steve Davis, a co-author. “Given the complaints about how Chinese pollution is corrupting other countries’ air, this paper shows that there may be plenty of blame to go around.”
Los Angeles experiences at least one extra day a year of smog that exceeds federal ozone limits because of nitrogen oxides and carbon monoxide emitted by Chinese factories making goods for export, the analysis found. On other days, as much as a quarter of the sulfate pollution on the U.S. West Coast is tied to Chinese exports. All the contaminants tracked in the study are key ingredients in unhealthy smog and soot.
China is not responsible for the lion’s share of pollution in the U.S. Cars, trucks and refineries pump out far more. But powerful global winds known as “westerlies” can push airborne chemicals across the ocean in days, particularly during the spring, causing dangerous spikes in contaminants. Dust, ozone and carbon can accumulate in valleys and basins in California and other Western states.
Black carbon is a particular problem: Rain doesn’t easily wash it out of the atmosphere, so it persists across long distances. Like other air pollutants, it’s been linked to a litany of health problems, from increased asthma to cancer, emphysema, and heart and lung disease.
The study authors suggest the findings could be used to more effectively negotiate clean-air treaties. China’s huge ramp-up of industrial activity in recent years, combined with poor pollution controls, has unleashed often fierce international debates.
“When you buy a product at Wal-Mart,” noted Davis, an assistant professor, “it has to be manufactured somewhere. The product doesn’t contain the pollution, but creating it caused the pollution.”
He and his fellow researchers conclude: “International cooperation to reduce transboundary transport of air pollution must confront the question of who is responsible for emissions in one country during production of goods to support consumption in another.”
http://news.uci.edu/press-releases/made-in-china-for-us-air-pollution-as-well-as-exports/
Neuro
29th March 2015, 10:37 AM
The scariest thing about the reported measurement is really not the radiation level, but rather it is the fact that the radiation originated from plutonium (according to the article). Radiation at 1 MM Bq is probably not a big deal (I would not want to be measuring it, for sure), but the fact that they found 1 sample of plutonium of that size randomly probably indicates there are a hell of a lot more samples out there, and that is indicative of a lot of plutonium floating around the ocean. Of course, I suspect it does not even come close to the plutonium put out by atmospheric nuclear weapons tests.
Definetely Plutonium is bad news in any quantity, and of course you would have Plutonium released from several reactors melting down. But this was only one measurement close to the discharge channel. It is enough to get one speck of plutonium in the sample to get this result. But it doesn't really tell how much was released in totality...
Neuro
29th March 2015, 10:43 AM
There are two concerns about this. Plutonium is emitting more energetic radiation than many common environmental sources. A measurement at one point says nothing for overall quantity.
Well done, you said it better in fewer words, than I did, before I did! :)
expat4ever
29th March 2015, 12:34 PM
I dont know squat about radiation. Should I cross Hi off my list of vacation destinations?
EE_
29th March 2015, 01:25 PM
I dont know squat about radiation. Should I cross Hi off my list of vacation destinations?
Forgetting Fukushima Radiation?
Posted by Dr Sircus on September 3, 2014 | Filed under World News
Everyone wants to forget all about Fukushima for who wants to remember their worst nightmares? I have written approximately fifty essays on the subject and live in the southern hemisphere and I too would rather forget and do not like to be reminded of the nuclear sore that remains on the surface of our once beautiful and pristine planet. That sore continues to fester and is only getting worse casting a giant shadow on our race and particularly on our children who are ten to twenty times more sensitive to radiation harm than us adults.
I do not like to think of our darkening future because I have six children the youngest of which is only six. Not only will they have to negotiate the rapidly approaching ice age and a great depression that will last decades, if not longer, and a planet running out of fresh water, good topsoil, and sickening pollution with thousands of chemicals and heavy metals like mercury, cadmium and lead, now we have the heavy hammer of vastly increasing levels of radiation, especially in the northern hemisphere and northern Pacific. Cancer rates are shooting up, especially in the developed northern hemisphere, and will continue to do so. Vast parts of our planet will experience what has been known as the Chernobyl effect.
The Fukushima nuclear plant meltdown disaster “is not over and will never end,” warns Dr. Helen Caldicott, Nobel Peace Prize nominee and holder of 21 honorary doctorate degrees. “Radioactive fallout which remains toxic for hundreds to thousands of years will induce an epidemic of cancer as people inhale the radioactive elements, eat radioactive food and drink radioactive beverages. It is the greatest industrial accident in the Earth’s history.” Dr. Caldicott formerly taught pediatrics at Harvard Medical School and founded the Nuclear Power Research Institute of Washington, D.C. I began this essay when one of my readers on Facebook said that Dr. Caldicott is now telling people to move to the southern hemisphere.
The reason is expressed in the following headlines from writer George Washington: Fukushima Increased Cesium Levels 100 to 1,000 Times Worldwide and 1,000,000 to 10,000,000 Times On the U.S. West Coast.
Hawaii is right in the middle of that horror story that Forbes is saying not to worry about. This is what Leuren Moret has to say about going to Hawaii. “Anyone going to Hawaii now is exposing themselves to horrendous levels of radiation, and in a young female it may cause sterilization and will certainly affect her health history for the rest of her life. Taking her to Hawaii at this young age would be like taking her to Iraq or Afghan, but it is much worse because of nearly 2000 rad isotopes she will be exposed to. The constant releases from Fukushima are getting worse, and those releases are increasing the rad levels in the Pacific Fukushima debris field and the rad levels in the Pacific waters around Hawaii. There is no possibility that it is safe to eat anything now out of the Pacific above the equator, and even south of the equator rad is being reported with people dying in AU and New Zealand from rad levels. Even pets come inside and have detectable radiation dust on their fur in NZ. Cesium in very small amounts kills the heart and even toddlers are having heart attacks as far from Fukushima as the east coast of Canada and the US. I have been collecting obituaries from the Daily Cal and other sources on students and athletes who spent the summer in Hawaii surfing, came back last fall for classes and dropped dead of a heart attack at the age of 20.”
Officials reveal that about 2 Trillion becquerels of Fukushima radioactive material flowed into the ocean every month during 2013 — “Deadly strontium” releases are now more than double cesium — “Strontium gets into your bones… it changes the equation.” Strontium is a potentially lethal alkaline earth metal poses the biggest immediate concern, because, unlike cesium, it doesn’t get trapped in soil and tends to accumulate in bones of fish and animals if ingested. Do not even bother to imagine the horror when it gets into young children’s bones.
Officials wept at prime minister’s office in Tokyo: “I’m sorry, we’ve tried… but we are in a situation beyond our control” at Fukushima — Hours Later: “People’s blood ran cold”… “Huge hole” suspected to have opened up in No. 2 Reactor. “A hell of a lot of radioactive substances could come out,”.said a lead TEPCO worker.
I imagine a lot of people in California are weeping when they read, “California could be reaching ground zero as it bears the brunt Fukushima radiation carried by the Pacific jet stream. Michio Aoyama, senior scientist at the Japanese government’s Meteorological Institute, found that levels of cesium 137 at the surface of the Pacific could potentially be 10,000 times higher that the contamination at Chernobyl, whose nuclear explosion was the worst nuclear accident in the world before the Fukushima disaster.”
The headlines do nothing to reassure unless you keep reading the Forbes article over and over. ‘The Crushing Effects Of Radiation From The Fukushima Disaster On The Ecosystem Are Being Slowly Revealed.’
“A range of scientific studies at Fukushima have begun to reveal the impact on the natural world. Results of these studies are now beginning to reveal serious biological effects of the Fukushima radiation on non-human organisms ranging from plants to butterflies to birds. A series of articles summarizing these studies has now been published in the Journal of Heredity. These describe widespread impacts, ranging from population declines to genetic damage to responses by the repair mechanisms that help organisms cope with radiation exposure.”
“Common to all of the published studies is the hypothesis that chronic (low-dose) exposure to ionizing radiation results in genetic damage and increased mutation rates in reproductive and non-reproductive cells. One of the studies documented the effects of radiation on rice by exposing healthy seedlings to low-level gamma radiation at a contaminated site in Fukushima Prefecture. After three days, a number of effects were observed, including activation of genes involved in self-defense, ranging from DNA replication and repair to stress responses to cell death.”
Global Research gives us the 28 signs that the west coast is being fried by radiation from Fukushima citing the many disturbances occurring to our natural resources that have been linked to the radiation.
It has been eight months since my last publication on Fukushima. Out of sight is out of mind and that is exactly what the government, large corporations involved in the nuclear industry, the super-rich elite and mainstream press want. The problem with this is that people are not taking precautions. They are doing nothing to protect themselves and their families when they absolutely should. It is not so difficult to learn to use sodium bicarbonate even with the kids because they can take baths full of this safe and very effective medicine against radiation. Decades ago even the Army knew it could provide protection of the kidneys against Uranium contamination.
Iodine is another essential substance if you care about children. My Natural Allopathic protocol for cancer is also for radiation exposure for anything that treats or prevents cancer treats or prevents radiation contamination and its effects—which is cancer. We have to go out of our way to take care of ourselves and our families and that is no easy job in the 21st Century.
Micho Kaku is worth listening too. Though sometimes he downplays the dangers of radiation he is right on top of the realities at Fukushima. This is an excellent interview with physicist Michio Kaku on the grim realities of the Fukushima disaster, how people are fleeing Tokyo in droves, and, in no uncertain terms, that Obama’s plan to build more nuclear plants is a “Faustian bargain” and a deal with the devil.
The main and most immediate point of my Nuclear Toxicity book is to teach you to heal yourself of the effects of radiation exposure whose levels are increasing significantly all over the northern hemisphere.
For those concerned with radiation on the west coast some interesting comments can be read by Bernard Weiner who has a Ph.D. in government & international relations, and was a writer-editor with the San Francisco Chronicle.
Videos here: http://drsircus.com/world-news/forgetting-fukushima-radiation
JohnQPublic
29th March 2015, 05:03 PM
Definetely Plutonium is bad news in any quantity, and of course you would have Plutonium released from several reactors melting down. But this was only one measurement close to the discharge channel. It is enough to get one speck of plutonium in the sample to get this result. But it doesn't really tell how much was released in totality...
Looking more into it, it appears this is much more about Cs then Pu.
Spectrism
29th March 2015, 06:01 PM
If anyone was expecting to live a long life - another 30+ years here... I have some sad news. It won't happen.
expat4ever
29th March 2015, 07:41 PM
So basically we can stick a fork in the northern Hemisphere. Its done. Since the entire Pacific is going to be contaminated at some point that sort of makes South Africa one of the safer places.
The last time I checked the monitoring stations across the US I didnt see any abnormal activity except in perhaps denver which I attribute to being higher in elevation.
Surely by now someone must be reporting abnormally high levels of radiation in the US. Does anyone know for sure?
expat4ever
29th March 2015, 07:42 PM
If anyone was expecting to live a long life - another 30+ years here... I have some sad news. It won't happen.
I'm only 50 so I figured I had another 80-100 years to go..
Hitch
29th March 2015, 08:26 PM
If anyone was expecting to live a long life - another 30+ years here... I have some sad news. It won't happen.
It's not sad news, it just means were on to the next adventure, a better place thanks to Jesus. Until then, keep marching forward. God is with us every step of the way.
expat4ever
29th March 2015, 08:40 PM
It's not sad news, it just means were on to the next adventure, a better place thanks to Jesus. Until then, keep marching forward. God is with us every step of the way.
except this step where we destroy his creation and he does nothing to step in and help. I'm sure he cant wait to get us on to the next step so we can screw that up as well.
Horn
29th March 2015, 09:46 PM
God is with us every step of the way.
Don't forget to look both ways first, before crossing the street.
http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.117782!/img/httpImage/image.jpg
Cebu_4_2
29th March 2015, 11:48 PM
Don't forget to look both ways first, before crossing the street.
http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.117782!/img/httpImage/image.jpg
Looks like Pete is well off.
expat4ever
30th March 2015, 10:01 PM
Since I am looking into this pretty closely I now have 2 people looking to see what they can find for me. One is at harvard the other is at MIT. Hopefully they have access to studies or readings that they can share.
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