Executive Order: Donate funds to Snowden- Get ALL your wealth confiscated

[iOWNme]

http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/31443f/donating_to_snowden_is_now_illegal_and_the_us/

https://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2015/04/01/executive-order-blocking-property-certain-persons-engaging-significant-m

"Sec. 2. I hereby determine that the making of donations of the type of articles specified in section 203(b)(2) of IEEPA (50 U.S.C. 1702(b)(2)) by, to, or for the benefit of any person whose property and interests in property are blocked pursuant to section 1 of this order would seriously impair my ability to deal with the national emergency declared in this order, and I hereby prohibit such donations as provided by section 1 of this order.
Sec. 3. The prohibitions in section 1 of this order include but are not limited to:
(a) the making of any contribution or provision of funds, goods, or services by, to, or for the benefit of any person whose property and interests in property are blocked pursuant to this order; and
(b) the receipt of any contribution or provision of funds, goods, or services from any such person."
Sec. 7. For those persons whose property and interests in property are blocked pursuant to this order who might have a constitutional presence in the United States, I find that because of the ability to transfer funds or other assets instantaneously, prior notice to such persons of measures to be taken pursuant to this order would render those measures ineffectual. I therefore determine that for these measures to be effective in addressing the national emergency declared in this order, there need be no prior notice of a listing or determination made pursuant to section 1 of this order."


.. aka, they can take all your stuff without due process instantly if you have "constitutional rights" in the US.

[expat4ever]

the kig has spoken . All hail the king!!!

[7th trump]

http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/31443f/donating_to_snowden_is_now_illegal_and_the_us/

https://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2015/04/01/executive-order-blocking-property-certain-persons-engaging-significant-m

"Sec. 2. I hereby determine that the making of donations of the type of articles specified in section 203(b)(2) of IEEPA (50 U.S.C. 1702(b)(2)) by, to, or for the benefit of any person whose property and interests in property are blocked pursuant to section 1 of this order would seriously impair my ability to deal with the national emergency declared in this order, and I hereby prohibit such donations as provided by section 1 of this order.
Sec. 3. The prohibitions in section 1 of this order include but are not limited to:
(a) the making of any contribution or provision of funds, goods, or services by, to, or for the benefit of any person whose property and interests in property are blocked pursuant to this order; and
(b) the receipt of any contribution or provision of funds, goods, or services from any such person."
Sec. 7. For those persons whose property and interests in property are blocked pursuant to this order who might have a constitutional presence in the United States, I find that because of the ability to transfer funds or other assets instantaneously, prior notice to such persons of measures to be taken pursuant to this order would render those measures ineffectual. I therefore determine that for these measures to be effective in addressing the national emergency declared in this order, there need be no prior notice of a listing or determination made pursuant to section 1 of this order."


.. aka, they can take all your stuff without due process instantly if you have "constitutional rights" in the US.
No, they cant take all your stuff for simply having Constitutional rights.
Look this up
(section 203(b)(2) of IEEPA (50 U.S.C. 1702(b)(2)) to understand what types of blocks these are before making gross misleading allegations that merely having Constitutional rights your property will be confiscated.

Trust me of you can prove to them you have the first 10 amendments...you're above the federal government to take away your property.

This is the perfect example of don't always believe what you read on the internet without doing diligent research first.

[singular_me]

iOWNme, you really have done you best using logic and rationality but most people may never understand the inherent paradox that comes along with power, that the latter only mirrors the escape from self-responsibility. Man has spent his time creating boundaries to eventually resist them... at this game he is the loser as the power factor is exponential.

The brick wall is coming

OP whether true or not, I know that they have done a lot worse and that is all what should matter.

[palani]

This is the perfect example of don't always believe what you read on the internet without doing diligent research first.

Really? Isn't this what I stated in another thread and you didn't agree? Would you get your story straight?

[palani]

they can take all your stuff without due process instantly if you have "constitutional rights" in the US.

You got to read to the bottom line


BARACK OBAMA

THE WHITE HOUSE,
April 1, 2015.

April Fools!!!

[7th trump]

Really? Isn't this what I stated in another thread and you didn't agree? Would you get your story straight?
You might have, but it was already established what you were trying to espouse was negated by proof positive facts.

[BrewTech]

You got to read to the bottom line



April Fools!!!

Ha HAAAAA!

[singular_me]

an april fools among the all real hoaxes.... the comedic element in the tragedy that is playing.

corbet report: How to Worship the State and its hypnotic symbolism.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mtA2n8Wv-P8

Statism: The Most Dangerous Religion (feat. Larken Rose)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N6uVV2Dcqt0



April Fools!!!

[palani]

You might have, but it was already established what you were trying to espouse was negated by proof positive facts.
So in reality it comes down to what the definition of 'it' is?

[7th trump]

So in reality it comes down to what the definition of 'it' is?

I always said you'd make a great politician....you have a talent of slithering you way out of things.
You'd could be a great lawyer as well....they have a knack for word salad tactics like you demonstrate.

[palani]

I always said ....
If you lack standards then what good are you?

[7th trump]

If you lack standards then what good are you?

Whats so hard about it Palani?
I guess your standard is to make up conspiracies when convenient.

[palani]

I guess ...

And that is about the size of it.

[7th trump]

And that is about the size of it.

A person has to guess as you never give a straight up answer....just a bunch of word salad nonanswers from you palani.
How many people on this site have called your silly ass out only to give them more nonanswers?

And they go great with your method of continueing the many conspiracies you beleive in.

[palani]

.... the many conspiracies you beleive in.
I don't believe you can heat your home next winter with two 9v batteries.

[7th trump]

I don't believe you can heat your home next winter with two 9v batteries.

I dont beleive it can be done either.....and I never said I could or will heat a room with two 9v batteries....so why do you play dishonest games that politicians play and suggest I said that?

[palani]

I dont beleive it can be done either.....and I never said I could or will heat a room with two 9v batteries....so why do you play dishonest games that politicians play and suggest I said that?
Could it be because you are conspiring to cheat the law of conservation of energy?

[7th trump]

Could it be because you are conspiring to cheat the law of conservation of energy?

What makes you think that using an inductive heater (75w.....15vdc x 5 amps) to turn some pipe red hot and fitted with a heat exchanger inside and then forcing air through it wont heat up a small room? How about doing that for each room in the house and monitoring each room for super efficiency?
You could probably make an inductive heater for under 10 bucks for each room and last a heck of a lot longer than any conventional gas furnace.....and you could go off grid with dc.
How is that cheating the law of energy conservation?

We both know you're playing your typical bullshit games.........and so does everyone else......but proving you wrong ONCE AGAIN........... it's worth it.
LOL!

[monty]

What makes you think that using an inductive heater (75w.....15vdc x 5 amps) to turn some pipe red hot and fitted with a heat exchanger inside and then forcing air through it wont heat up a small room? How about doing that for each room in the house and monitoring each room for super efficiency?
You could probably make an inductive heater for under 10 bucks for each room and last a heck of a lot longer than any conventional gas furnace.....and you could go off grid with dc.
How is that cheating the law of energy conservation?

We both know you're playing your typical bullshit games.........and so does everyone else......but proving you wrong ONCE AGAIN........... it's worth it.
LOL!


Seriously, can you heat an iron pipe red hot with only 75W Of power? If so why is someone not making a killing marketing inducción furnace space heaters?

[Dogman]

Seriously, can you heat an iron pipe red hot with only 75W Of power? If so why is someone not making a killing marketing inducción furnace space heaters?

Same as a 75 watt lightbulb, which we all know will not burn you as bad as a 100 watt bulb!

These guys are funny, and whacky as long as one does not take them seriously! One does have a better understanding of electromagnetic and electronic theory and practice!

Which one?

That is up to the peanut gallery to research and decide! I am just enjoying and keeping my popcorn fresh as these two hack at each other!

In the past I have made my own induction coil/heater to heat and then temper small parts cleanly and quickly!

Lmfao !

;)

[monty]

Same as a 75 watt lightbulb, which we all know will not burn you as bad as a 100 watt bulb!

These guys are funny, and whacky as long as one does not take them seriously! One does have a better understanding of electromagnetic and electronic theory and practice!

Which one?

That is up to the peanut gallery to research and decide! I am just enjoying and keeping my popcorn fresh as these two hack at each other!

In the past I have made my own induction coil/heater to heat and then temper small parts cleanly and quickly!

Lmfao !

;)


True! And you will need 100 amps @ 15V to heat a small room if it is 20º F outside.

My best friend made an induction furnace for a science fair project when we were in high school. It worked great, made from an automobile cylinder sleeve.

this forum would die without the entertainment!

[Dogman]

True! And you will need 100 amps @ 15V to heat a small room if it is 20º F outside.

Double the voltage will cut the amps in half! Etc, etc!

Hoot my popcorn is done!

Back to the show!

;)

And roger about the entertainment, gives a good feel of the others behind their keyboards!

[monty]

Double the voltage will cut the amps in half! Etc, etc!

Hoot my popcorn is done!

Back to the show!

;)

Thereby reducing the wire diameter as well!

[Dogman]

Thereby reducing the wire diameter as well!
Yep!

[monty]

;) lol!

[7th trump]

You get into high voltage and things start to change a bit...the higher the voltage...the better.
Anyway, its not necessarily the voltage as it is the frequency that is a deciding factor with these heating inductor systems.

[7th trump]

Seriously, can you heat an iron pipe red hot with only 75W Of power? If so why is someone not making a killing marketing inducción furnace space heaters?

Monty how these induction heaters work is basically through a fluctuating field. You put metal in this field and eddy currents go back and forth causing friction. The more an object is resistive to these eddy currents the higher the factor of heat....the hotter its going to get.
I can send 75w of electricity all day long on the same metal pipe and its not going to get hot at all....but if you put that same pipe in the fluctuating field and it'll get hot in a quick hurry...just think of a microwave...its almost the same concept.

[monty]

Monty how these induction heaters work is basically through a fluctuating field. You put metal in this field and eddy currents go back and forth causing friction. The more an object is resistive to these eddy currents the higher the factor of heat....the hotter its going to get.
I can send 75w of electricity all day long on the same metal pipe and its not going to get hot at all....but if you put that same pipe in the fluctuating field and it'll get hot in a quick hurry...just think of a microwave...its almost the same concept.¿


Thanks for the explanation.


http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Induction_furnace



An induction furnace is an electrical furnace (http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Furnace) in which the heat is applied by induction heating (http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Induction_heating) of metal (http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metal).[1] (http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Induction_furnace#cite_note-Laughton-1)[2] (http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Induction_furnace#cite_note-Campbell-2)[3]

<snip>
Operating frequencies range from utility frequency (http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utility_frequency) (50 or 60 Hz (http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hertz)) to 400 kHz or higher, usually depending on the material being melted, the capacity (volume) of the furnace and the melting speed required. Generally, the smaller the volume of the melts, the higher the frequency of the furnace used; this is due to the skin depth (http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skin_depth) which is a measure of the distance an alternating current can penetrate beneath the surface of a conductor (http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrical_conductor). For the same conductivity, the higher frequencies have a shallow skin depth—that is less penetration into the melt. Lower frequencies can generate stirring or turbulence in the metal.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/27/Induktionstiegelofen_Schnitt.png/220px-Induktionstiegelofen_Schnitt.png (http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Induktionstiegelofen_Schnitt.png)1 - Melt
2 - water-cooled coil
3 - yokes
4 - crucible


A preheated, one-tonne furnace melting iron can melt cold charge to tapping readiness within an hour. Power supplies range from 10 kW to 42 MW, with melt sizes of 20 kg to 65 tonnes of metal respectively.[7] (http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Induction_furnace#cite_note-7)
An operating induction furnace usually emits a hum or whine (due to fluctuating magnetic forces and magnetostriction (http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetostriction)), the pitch of which can be used by operators to identify whether the furnace is operating correctly or at what power level.

Types

In the coreless type,[8] (http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Induction_furnace#cite_note-8) metal is placed in a crucible (http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crucible) surrounded by a water-cooled alternating current (http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternating_current) solenoid (http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solenoid) coil. A channel-type induction furnace has a loop of molten metal, which forms a single-turn secondary winding through an iron core.[9] (http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Induction_furnace#cite_note-9)[10] (http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Induction_furnace#cite_note-10)

See also



http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7a/Nuvola_apps_kcmsystem.svg/28px-Nuvola_apps_kcmsystem.svg.png (http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Nuvola_apps_kcmsystem.svg)
Engineering portal (http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portal:Engineering)





Electric arc furnace (http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electric_arc_furnace)—for another type of electric furnace, used in larger foundries and mini-mill steelmaking operations


References



^ (http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Induction_furnace#cite_ref-Laughton_1-0) Laughton, M. A.; Warne, D.F. (2002). Electrical Engineer's Reference Book, 16th Ed. (https://books.google.com/books?id=5jOblzV5eZ8C&pg=SA9-PA18&dq=solenoid+%22induction+furnace%22&hl=en&sa=X&ei=c6UUVfPSGI3loATQkIL4DA&ved=0CC0Q6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=solenoid%20%22induction%20furnace%22) Newnes. pp. 17–19. ISBN (http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Standard_Book_Number) 0080523544 (http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:BookSources/0080523544).
^ (http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Induction_furnace#cite_ref-Campbell_2-0) Campbell, Flake C. (2013). Metals Fabrication: Understanding the Basics (https://books.google.com/books?id=MbhpBAAAQBAJ&pg=PA64&dq=%22induction+furnace%22). ASM International. pp. 63–65. ISBN (http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Standard_Book_Number) 162708018X (http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:BookSources/162708018X).
^ (http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Induction_furnace#cite_ref-Bauccio_3-0) Bauccio, Michael (1993). ASM Metals Reference Book, 3rd Ed. (https://books.google.com/books?id=9ohkDUryVZ0C&pg=PA50&dq=%22induction+furnace%22) American Society for Metals. p. 50. ISBN (http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Standard_Book_Number) 0871704781 (http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:BookSources/0871704781).
^ (http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Induction_furnace#cite_ref-4) "Technical basics and applications of induction furnaces" (https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=cache:zRYFdPBKpdYJ:www.uie.org/webfm_send/391+&hl=en&gl=in&pid=bl&srcid=ADGEESijYgzf4BC5rdfUZFHl0RVreIG3FB3B49CwujkV 9b7TssRZpST0r07pMkNXNz-HtDtHvwRw7d_GYGtWuJn9s0rikz4qGM4tT14lDpRLqkIEpb8OI avyj3PvBpe7hamaNBmMGb33&sig=AHIEtbQQOYe5rh3IqwIpFSGaPUPxcKe5AA).

[monty]

Monty how these induction heaters work is basically through a fluctuating field. You put metal in this field and eddy currents go back and forth causing friction. The more an object is resistive to these eddy currents the higher the factor of heat....the hotter its going to get.
I can send 75w of electricity all day long on the same metal pipe and its not going to get hot at all....but if you put that same pipe in the fluctuating field and it'll get hot in a quick hurry...just think of a microwave...its almost the same concept.

Are you telling me you can input 75W and with the heat generated by the induced eddy currents I can boil water, make steam and drive a generator and generate as much or more power than the 75W input? :confused:

[palani]

Are you telling me you can input 75W and with the heat generated by the induced eddy currents I can boil water, make steam and drive a generator and generate as much or more power than the 75W input? :confused:

Hint ... He also doesn't believe induction involves transformer principles .... or that a straight conductor in space carrying a current can act as a one turn primary 'coil'. If the current is DC then a hall effect device is needed to detect the magnetic field.

[mick silver]

http://www.abc.net.au/radionational/image/3987928-3x2-340x227.jpg

[7th trump]

Hint ... He also doesn't believe induction involves transformer principles .... or that a straight conductor in space carrying a current can act as a one turn primary 'coil'. If the current is DC then a hall effect device is needed to detect the magnetic field.

Thats right Palani...I dont....because a bar of steel isnt a coil of wire.
Heres some words of wisdom.......the induction heater is just a coil that is part of a tank circuit. You put any metal device within the coil and that device acts like the core of a transformer as thats where you find the problem of eddy currents and hence why the core is laminated............thats it nothing else.
In order for the induction heater to be a tranfsformer there needs to be a second coil....and well there isnt a second coil in the induction heater other wise you couldnt heat anything up with it.

If anything an induction heater is a transducer....not a transformer.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transducer

[Neuro]

Same as a 75 watt lightbulb, which we all know will not burn you as bad as a 100 watt bulb!

These guys are funny, and whacky as long as one does not take them seriously! One does have a better understanding of electromagnetic and electronic theory and practice!

Which one?

That is up to the peanut gallery to research and decide! I am just enjoying and keeping my popcorn fresh as these two hack at each other!

In the past I have made my own induction coil/heater to heat and then temper small parts cleanly and quickly!

Lmfao !

;)
Yes the lightbulbs were banned as a lighting source, because about 90% of the energy was transfered into heat. I very much doubt induction heating could be much more efficient than a lightbulb, that wastes several percents of energy into the visible light spectra. Let's say that it is 10% more efficient, still you wouldn't expect to be able to heat a room with an 83W lightbulb, but who knows maybe 7th Trump has managed to find a way of channelling heat from hell fire through copper tubing. He just needs to think of Ximmy, and he gets all hot and sweaty even in freezing temperatures...

[7th trump]

Yes the lightbulbs were banned as a lighting source, because about 90% of the energy was transfered into heat. I very much doubt induction heating could be much more efficient than a lightbulb, that wastes several percents of energy into the visible light spectra. Let's say that it is 10% more efficient, still you wouldn't expect to be able to heat a room with an 83W lightbulb, but who knows maybe 7th Trump has managed to find a way of channelling heat from hell fire through copper tubing. He just needs to think of Ximmy, and he gets all hot and sweaty even in freezing temperatures...

Showing your true colors I see Neuro....doesnt surprise me at all after seeing many posters left GSUS when they found out you became a moderator.
Anyway...be all the negetive you want to be on the subject of induction heaters, but heres a video that proves you wrong.
With a bit more power one can make a larger coil and drive it with DC to heat water well past the boiling point to radiate heat.
If my memory is correct I dont think the heat exchanger in a gas furnace gets red hot to prevent cracking, but this screw driver gets red hot in seconds.
Isnt that something neuro....heck why am I talking to you.......you're not an honest person either.
Some moderator.....you take sides of the trolls........your blatant actions remind me of Eric Holder.

My wood stove doesnt get red hot and i cant keep my hand up close to the blowers for much more than a second or two.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pVYMLnXW9uo.

I dont think a light bulb can heat up a screw driver to a point of being red hot.....but then again a light bulb doesnt produce eddy currents....so you really dont have aclue about induction to make a comment...you dont qualify is what i'm saying....just another useless armchair observer.

another video of a larger coil...but nonetheless is run off DC
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TI94QE12iFU

Could two 100w light bulbs heat these up to red hot in a matter of seconds?
Nope.....but a 150w induction heater does
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2kuJ-FZBnok

[Neuro]

Yes the screwdriver got red hot, so what if you heat a few grams of steel up in half a minute? You really have no clue about thermodynamics do you? He put that red hot screwdriver in a glass of water, did the water in that glass get hot? Not really, maybe a couple of degrees, a small room may contain 30 m3 of air at about 2kg/m3, that is 60 kg of air you need to heat up, after seeing how that screwdriver heated up the water (probably about 0.2 kg of water). It is funny to see you accuse others of not having a clue of things you yourself really don't have a clue about. You really are a troublemaker, and I would have perma banned you a long time ago if it hadn't been because you're such a lightweight. You are only kept here for your entertainment value! ;)

[7th trump]

Yes the screwdriver got red hot, so what if you heat a few grams of steel up in half a minute? You really have no clue about thermodynamics do you? He put that red hot screwdriver in a glass of water, did the water in that glass get hot? Not really, maybe a couple of degrees, a small room may contain 30 m3 of air at about 2kg/m3, that is 60 kg of air you need to heat up, after seeing how that screwdriver heated up the water (probably about 0.2 kg of water). It is funny to see you accuse others of not having a clue of things you yourself really don't have a clue about. You really are a troublemaker, and I would have perma banned you a long time ago if it hadn't been because you're such a lightweight. You are only kept here for your entertainment value! ;)

So it was a screw driver...very observant captian obvious........the thermodynamics isnt what I was getting at grasshopper.
You're a lot like Palani...always dodging the obvious and trying to change the point....I could give a rats butt what your arguement is...its meaningless.
I was making a point that a small wattage of electricity is able to heat metal faster and more efficient than flame which takes a lot more energy to do the same work and energy you can generate yourself instead of being dependent to the energy company's.

Can you keep up and follow along?

[Neuro]

http://gold-silver.us/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=7475&stc=1
What makes you think that using an inductive heater (75w.....15vdc x 5 amps) to turn some pipe red hot and fitted with a heat exchanger inside and then forcing air through it wont heat up a small room? How about doing that for each room in the house and monitoring each room for super efficiency?You could probably make an inductive heater for under 10 bucks for each room and last a heck of a lot longer than any conventional gas furnace.....and you could go off grid with dc.How is that cheating the law of energy conservation?Your 75 Watts heats up a few grams of iron which you then believe will heat up the air in a room? LOL

Above is a pic of my fire place just taken now... It heats a large room. Do you even understand why it does this and your red hot tiny iron pipe won't? Sure if your induction heater uses 10 times as much electricity as you stated then yes it would heat up a small room, but it won't give off more energy than you put in...

[7th trump]

http://gold-silver.us/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=7475&stc=1Your 75 Watts heats up a few grams of iron which you then believe will heat up the air in a room? LOL

Above is a pic of my fire place just taken now... It heats a large room. Do you even understand why it does this and your red hot tiny iron pipe won't? Sure if your induction heater uses 10 times as much electricity as you stated then yes it would heat up a small room, but it won't give off more energy than you put in...

LOL...you don't listen.
I don't care about your thermodynamic yapping....that's you changing the subject.
My point is, and you're not refuting, is that a little electricity is heating the steel up red hot vs those who dont think the same 75w that lights up a bulb cant make a steel nail red hot.

Yeah no kidding grasshopper.................I know all about wood burners...I have a wood burner myself...use it every year....not a big deal grasshopper!

As far as your claim you cant get out more than you put in........hmmm...it appears the induction heater is making the nail red hot and white hot if you allow it a few more seconds...and the nail is way thinker than the thin wire element in a bulb. May not have a lot of light....but definitely more heat.
Anyway how much wood do you think is needed to turn a nail red hot?

[Neuro]

LOL...you don't listen.
I don't care about your thermodynamic yapping....that's you changing the subject.
My point is, and you're not refuting, is that a little electricity is heating the steel up red hot vs those who dont think the same 75w that lights up a bulb cant make a steel nail red hot.

Yeah no kidding grasshopper.................I know all about wood burners...I have a wood burner myself...use it every year....not a big deal grasshopper!
I guess you don't remember, but it was you who claimed you could heat up a room with a 75 Watt induction heater. In this thread...

Btw did you ever think about that Tungsten thread in the light bulb getting heated to several thousand degrees (white hot) in less than a second? And it can do that with only a couple of watts...

[7th trump]

I guess you don't remember, but it was you who claimed you could heat up a room with a 75 Watt induction heater. In this thread...

Btw did you ever think about that Tungsten thread in the light bulb getting heated to several thousand degrees (white hot) in less than a second? And it can do that with only a couple of watts...

Yes I think I can heat my bathroom with an induction heater....10x8 room.

Yep.......thought of the tungsten element as well...but its only a few thousands of an inch vs that nail or a 1 inch pipe.

You could put a nail in place of the tungsten element and it will neither project light nor get above ambient room temp.....so what was your point?
The induction heater will do more work than the light bulb having the same power rating.

[palani]

The induction heater will do more work than the light bulb having the same power rating.
If a watt is not a watt then what good is it?

[palani]

Here are some results of passing energy through a coil with the goal in mind of inducing currents in coins. The forces created by the two currents opposing each other then creates shrinkage in conjunction with the molten state of the metal. The coin becomes the secondary of the resulting transformer. The primary gets destroyed by the shot. And yes they do have an example of a 1/2 oz gold coin being shrunken.

http://teslamania.delete.org/frames/shrinkergallery.html

[Dogman]

75 watts power input = 256 btu!

1 btu can heat one pound of water 1 degree

1 gallon of water = 8.34 pounds!

1 pound water x 256 = 256 degree's if there is no loss!

2 pounds = 128 degrees

And so on down the scale!

75 watts is 75 watts no more or less and = 256 BTUs no matter how it is used!

Not much at all for area heating unless super insulation is used no matter what method is used to heat that room, etc,etc.

Nuff said!

;)

[Neuro]

Yes I think I can heat my bathroom with an induction heater....10x8 room.

Yep.......thought of the tungsten element as well...but its only a few thousands of an inch vs that nail or a 1 inch pipe.

You could put a nail in place of the tungsten element and it will neither project light nor get above ambient room temp.....so what was your point?
The induction heater will do more work than the light bulb having the same power rating.
Of course if you put a nail instead of the tungsten filament it will give very little resistance to the current and thus not heat up. This is very basic knowledge, but if you optimize the size of the thread to give off as much heat as possible, as they do in let's say an electric radiator, you'll get more heat out of it than through your induction coil-pipe combo, inevitably you'll get some losses through the magnetic field...

If you don't mind freezing your ass off in your bathroom go ahead and do your induction coil heater. I really don't know what your waiting for as it only will set you back $10, and probably the investment will pay off in a winter of reduced electric bills if it works like you think. Just out of curiosity on how your mind is working. Why do you think no-one else thought of this simple energy saving technology? I mean what you are suggesting isn't even complicated or difficult to wrap your head around, and I was only a mechanical engineer before I got my Master of Science degree in chiropractic...

One good thing about an induction coil iron tube combo though is that it can be made much smaller than a radiator and with a small fan inside the tube you could get a better distribution of the heat you generate in the room, even though you probably generate a bit less heat/watt input...

Actually you should make this Michelin man type suit, and you fill it up with your induction coil heater fan combo, you can probably use 2 9v batteries to power your suit, and you don't need to heat your house at all, apart from your bathroom, where you freeze your ass off...

[7th trump]

You fools are a hoot!
So.......what makes you guys think that 75 watts is one time shot?


LOL...this is great...the minds of amateurs....I don't know if it is just innocence or complete stupidity.
So 75 watts heats up 1lb of water 1 degree...so what makes you think I'm shutting off the induction heater at that point?
Hello people!!!!!!!!
Doesn't your furnace run until the thermostat detects a max temp and shuts down the furnace once reached?
Isnt there a time constant to factor in?

You people crack me the f%^k up!
I guess none of you guys ever thought that maybe if you left the induction heater on longer that 1lb of water will rise in temp.
Its joules per second people...not a one shot!
Everyone of you guys failed...neuro failed ....palani failed.........all of you failed.

[Neuro]

75 watts power input = 256 btu!

1 btu can heat one pound of water 1 degree

1 gallon of water = 8.34 pounds!

1 pound water x 256 = 256 degree's if there is no loss!

2 pounds = 128 degrees

And so on down the scale!

75 watts is 75 watts no more or less and = 256 BTUs no matter how it is used!

Not much at all for area heating unless super insulation is used no matter what method is used to heat that room, etc,etc.

Nuff said!

;)
Exactly! They actually built these experimental 500 sq feet houses in Sweden which had like 3 feet thick super insulated walls, and very small windows area, and they said that the heat generated from the bodies of a couple of people living in it was sufficient to heat it up, even in Swedish winter climate.

[Neuro]

You fools are a hoot!
So.......what makes you guys think that 75 watts is one time shot?


LOL...this is great...the minds of amateurs....I don't know if it is just innocence or complete stupidity.
So 75 watts heats up 1lb of water 1 degree...so what makes you think I'm shutting off the induction heater at that point?
Hello people!!!!!!!!
Doesn't your furnace run until the thermostat detects a max temp and shuts down the furnace once reached?
Isnt there a time constant to factor in?

You people crack me the f%^k up!
I guess none of you guys ever thought that maybe if you left the induction heater on longer that 1lb of water will rise in temp.
Its joules per second people...not a one shot!
Everyone of you guys failed...neuro failed ....palani failed.........all of you failed.
No not at all, you don't think your walls windows and doors let any heat through at all? LOL

[Dogman]

Exactly! They actually built these experimental 500 sq feet houses in Sweden which had like 3 feet thick super insulated walls, and very small windows area, and they said that the heat generated from the bodies of a couple of people living in it was sufficient to heat it up, even in Swedish winter climate.

Yep!

But for those buildings to work total air tight is needed no outside air exchange. Open a outside door and cold air gets in and the reverse heat in summer! To gain back the heat would take time, plus an air tight room / house cannot breath and would be unhealthy! Airlock's on doors would help but there still would be btu loss or gain depending on the season!

Looking at the market , whoever that could make a 75 watt room heater that would keep a room warm in winter where it gets really cold would make a killing and swim in riches!

Think of the energy savings if a 75 watt heater could replace the 1500 watt or so current hearers on the market!

Now on the equator 0 or so latitude give or take a few degrees there maybe a ready market for a 75 watt heater when the temps get into the chilly 70,s every blue moon with a green fringe or so!

;)

[7th trump]

No not at all, you don't think your walls windows and doors let any heat through at all? LOL

Interior walls..all 4 walls of my bathroom are interior walls.
Even if I had exterior walls the heat generated from a 1 inch pipe red hot for 3 inches and air blown through it is more heat than the walls let out.
Now install a heater in each room of the house.

I installed a 220v electric heater in a friends 12x 12 shed that has 4 wires as the heating element about 1ft long. I wonder the area covered by these wires takes up the same space as a 1 inch pipe x 3 inches long.
And that heater did a wonderful job of keeping the shed comfortable while being 8 degrees outside.

Heres a comparison...a dryer heating element.......nothing but wires that get red hot...so why does it dry wet clothes but you can tell me that a 1 inch pipe 3 inches long cant heat a room?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/3403585-HEATING-ELEMENT-W-FUSE-KIT-FOR-WHIRLPOOL-KENMORE-ROPER-ESTATE-/231364322347?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item35de63642b
LOL....you guys are a hoot as it matters not how much power is needed to make coils get hot....just as long as they get red hot!
I would go for the 75w induction heater doing the job easier and more efficient over 240v at 22 amps coils to do the same job.

[ximmy]

Interior walls..all 4 walls of my bathroom are interior walls.
Even if I had exterior walls the heat generated from a 1 inch pipe red hot for 3 inches and air blown through it is more heat than the walls let out.
Now install a heater in each room of the house.

I installed a 220v electric heater in a friends 12x 12 shed that has 4 wires as the heating element about 1ft long. I wonder the area covered by these wires takes up the same space as a 1 inch pipe x 3 inches long.
And that heater did a wonderful job of keeping the shed comfortable while being 8 degrees outside.

Heres a comparison...a dryer heating element.......nothing but wires that get red hot...so why does it dry wet clothes but you can tell me that a 1 inch pipe 3 inches long cant heat a room?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/3403585-HEATING-ELEMENT-W-FUSE-KIT-FOR-WHIRLPOOL-KENMORE-ROPER-ESTATE-/231364322347?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item35de63642b
LOL....you guys are a hoot as it matters not how much power is needed to make coils get hot....just as long as they get red hot!
I would go for the 75w induction heater doing the job easier and more efficient over 240v at 22 amps coils to do the same job.

Do you just make this stuff up as you type, or do you actually use your three or four working brain cells, to think about it first?

[Jewboo]

I installed a 220v electric heater in a friends 12x 12 shed that has 4 wires as the heating element about 1ft long. I wonder the area covered by these wires takes up the same space as a 1 inch pipe x 3 inches long. And that heater did a wonderful job of keeping the shed comfortable while being 8 degrees outside.





http://www.sunjournal.com/files/imagecache/medium/2011/08/29/82811FIRECOLEPONDRD.OXFORD3.JPG


:rolleyes:

[Neuro]

If your four walls are interior, you shouldn't need a heater at all, unless your ceiling or floor is cold. But if you can heat it with a 75 Watt induction coil, you could heat it up with a 75 Watt light bulb, where you 'lose' 90% of the effect in heat... Attach the light bulb to a thermostat and when the room has the correct temp it turns the light bulb off...

The tube won't get red hot if you let cold air through it by the way... :)

[ximmy]

I just reread this thread and am beginning to understand 7th trumps super efficient high energy low cost heating system...

7ht trump understands and exploits gaps in scientific understanding...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A25FRpkbDxU

[Dogman]

I just reread this thread and am beginning to understand 7th trumps super efficient high energy low cost heating system...

7ht trump understands and exploits gaps in scientific understanding...
YouTube Link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A25FRpkbDxU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A25FRpkbDxU)

Hoot!

Worth a grin!

[7th trump]

do you just make this stuff up as you type, or do you actually use your three or four working brain cells, to think about it first?

lol!

[7th trump]

If your four walls are interior, you shouldn't need a heater at all, unless your ceiling or floor is cold. But if you can heat it with a 75 Watt induction coil, you could heat it up with a 75 Watt light bulb, where you 'lose' 90% of the effect in heat... Attach the light bulb to a thermostat and when the room has the correct temp it turns the light bulb off...

The tube won't get red hot if you let cold air through it by the way... :)
I dont know who's more intelligent...Ximmy or Neuro?

You could take away the bulb leaving the element intact and slide the element inside the pipe. Turn on the element and it still wont get the surrounding pipe red hot like the induction heater does.
Just admit it neuro...everyone with two brain cells knows you're defeated. Your logic doesn't compute...and you know it.
Your light bulb is nothing but a transducer designed to emit light at 50/60 hz. The induction heater is up in the mhz and is taking advantage of those eddy currents.
It more efficient over the light bulb.
You're bulb at best produces enough heat to work as an "easy bake" childrens toy oven.
The same wattage induction heater turns iron pipe/rod/ect...........white hot.

You lost neuro!
It was fun playing with you.

[ximmy]

I dont know who's more intelligent...Ximmy or Neuro?

You could take away the bulb leaving the element intact and slide the element inside the pipe. Turn on the element and it still wont get the surrounding pipe red hot like the induction heater does.
Just admit it neuro...everyone with two brain cells knows you're defeated. Your logic doesn't compute...and you know it.
Your light bulb is nothing but a transducer designed to emit light at 50/60 hz. The induction heater is up in the mhz and is taking advantage of those eddy currents.
It more efficient over the light bulb.
You're bulb at best produces enough heat to work as an "easy bake" childrens toy oven.
The same wattage induction heater turns iron pipe/rod/ect...........white hot.

You lost neuro!

You are such a plagiarizing hypocrite. When I called you out as a liar, you immediately started calling palani a liar, now I said you have a few brain cells, and you use my finely tailored wit toward neuro. Admit it 7th trump, you lost!

[Hitch]

Admit it 7th trump, you lost!

7th, think you've lost this one buddy. Dogman's right about the BTU's and heat. Neuro's correct as well. Ximmy's quick wit is there too. Science is science after all. You are probably heating that bathroom with your anger.

[7th trump]

You are such a plagiarizing hypocrite. When I called you out as a liar, you immediately started calling palani a liar, now I said you have a few brain cells, and you use my finely tailored wit toward neuro. Admit it 7th trump, you lost!

You never proved me a liar...why is that?

Why as an atheist do you take the scriptures out of context to prove me wrong?
That's like driving a Ford across the country to prove Dodge is a good truck...it don't make any sense at all.
I've forgotten more about the Bible than you'll ever know or understand ximmy!

Plagiarizing huh?
I've been calling Palani a liar for at least a few years on all his conspiracies...way before you decided to act like a man.

[7th trump]

7th, think you've lost this one buddy. Dogman's right about the BTU's and heat. Neuro's correct as well. Ximmy's quick wit is there too. Science is science after all. You are probably heating that bathroom with your anger.

Sorry dude...but a light bulb doesn't heat up an iron pipe or rod red hot like the induction heater does...the video's I provided proves this beyond any doubt.
Ximmy doesn't have any wit...just anger.
She couldn't wit her way out a whiskey soaked paper bag.


"Popular Mechanics" estimates that an electric heating element uses 320 watt-hours of electricity to boil 2 liters of water, compared to just 225
And that's with a flat coil...and not a helical coil where its even more efficient like the coils in the video's.

[ximmy]

She couldn't wit her way out a whiskey soaked paper bag.



http://gold-silver.us/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=7476&d=1428113786

[Jewboo]

I've forgotten more about the Bible than you'll ever know or understand ximmy!




http://img0.joyreactor.com/pics/post/funny-pictures-auto-404528.jpeg


:rolleyes:

[monty]

You can build your very own DIY induction heater here!


http://www.rmcybernetics.com/projects/DIY_Devices/diy-induction-heater.htm

[Neuro]

I dont know who's more intelligent...Ximmy or Neuro?

You could take away the bulb leaving the element intact and slide the element inside the pipe. Turn on the element and it still wont get the surrounding pipe red hot like the induction heater does.
Just admit it neuro...everyone with two brain cells knows you're defeated. Your logic doesn't compute...and you know it.
Your light bulb is nothing but a transducer designed to emit light at 50/60 hz. The induction heater is up in the mhz and is taking advantage of those eddy currents.
It more efficient over the light bulb.
You're bulb at best produces enough heat to work as an "easy bake" childrens toy oven.
The same wattage induction heater turns iron pipe/rod/ect...........white hot.

You lost neuro!
It was fun playing with you.
Obviously since your toilet is in the middle of the house, you're not going to freeze your ass off. And this gives you the luxury of believing you can get more heat than 75 Watts out of your induction coil than 75 Watts. I really don't care what you believe, but it is pretty obvious to anyone with only a rudimentary UNDERSTANDING of physics that you are under the influence of magical thinking, common among 4 year olds. What is interesting in your case is that it is combined with a knowledge of proper terminology, and that you are around 40 years old allegedly working as an electrician!

;D LMFAO!

[7th trump]

Obviously since your toilet is in the middle of the house, you're not going to freeze your ass off. And this gives you the luxury of believing you can get more heat than 75 Watts out of your induction coil than 75 Watts. I really don't care what you believe, but it is pretty obvious to anyone with only a rudimentary UNDERSTANDING of physics that you are under the influence of magical thinking, common among 4 year olds. What is interesting in your case is that it is combined with a knowledge of proper terminology, and that you are around 40 years old allegedly working as an electrician!

;D LMFAO!

Apparently you wish to remain to be stupid and blind.
The video I provided confirms your ignorant of magnetism. The video proves 75w heats up a pipe red hot with fluctuating magnetic fields in seconds.
Hey neuro....why cant you provide any evidence that a 75w light bulb can heat up a nail red hot..................ohhh that's right..........because a transducer design to emit light cant.

Yes I can understand physics...and its the eddy currents produced by the tank circuit coil that heats up the nail when inserted within the coil magnetic field.
As far as the room being in the middle of the house doesn't give me the belief that I can get more heat out of 75w. 75w is 75w......however what it does allow is the heat from the red hot pipe to not dissipate as fast......you know, well maybe you don't know...having a room in the middle of the house is like having 3 pane windows where the air space in between the glass acts as insulation from the outside.

Accept your defeat neuro....go home and lick your wounds instead of being an obnoxious hateful moderator because the 75w fluctuating magnetic field heats up any metal object with eddy currents.
The 75w light bulb analogy was a piss poor analogy and you gulp it down hook, line and sinker......nice demonstration of intelligence you got there?

[cheka.]

catch and detain pack of criminals = get outrageous charges piled on you....including being forced to register as sex offender

http://www.texaspolicenews.com/default.aspx?act=Newsletter.aspx&category=News+1-2&newsletterid=52558&menugroup=Home

GRAND RAPIDS, Mich. (CN) - A marijuana grower who duct-taped a group of boys to chairs when he caught them trying to rob him must register as a sex offender, a Michigan appeals court ruled.

It is undisputed that Vincent Bosca did not have sex on his mind when on June 13, 2011, he lay in wait to catch the thieves who had broken into his Sterling Heights house days earlier and stolen marijuana from his grow operation.

The plan mostly worked, with Bosca and his associates, armed with a gun and a hatchet, catching three would-be thieves who turned out to be minor teenage boys, according to a ruling last week by the Michigan Court of Appeals.

Apparently Bosca's son had held some of the boys to break into the house a few days before to steal marijuana, which Michigan licensed Bosca to grow under the state's Medical Marihauna Act.

Bosca and his associates duct-taped the boys to chairs and tried to coerce them into bringing back a fourth boy who escaped, as well as any others involved in the prior heist.

Two more boys arrived, only one of whom Bosca and his men managed to catch and duct-tape with the others.

"The new arrival was able to call 911 before defendant smashed his phone; as punishment, defendant broke the sheath of his sword over the teen's head," the ruling states.

By the time police responded to that 911 call, some of the boys had been held captive for at least three hours. In addition to duct-taped boys, blood, a sword, pliers and other weapons, officers also found Bosca's 1.27 pounds of marijuana and marijuana plants.
Of the 87 confiscated plants, 78 were identified as marijuana, and a professor who testified at Bosca's trial called it unlikely that plants like those seized, infested with mold, spider mites and eggs, could be used for medical marijuana.

A jury ultimately convicted Bosca was convicted of extortion, unlawful imprisonment, assault with a dangerous weapon, possession of a firearm during the commission of a felony, delivery and manufacture of marijuana, and maintaining a drug house.

In addition to a prison sentence of about five years, plus restitution, the Macomb Circuit Court found that the unlawful-imprisonment conviction required Bosca to register as a sex offender with the Michigan Sex Offender Registry (SORA).

Though Bosca complained that such registration violates his Eighth Amendment rights, a three-judge panel with the Michigan Court of Appeals affirmed on March 26.

Citing the 2011 decision in People v. Fonville, the court held that "SORA registration requirement does not constitute cruel and unusual punishment even when the underlying offense has no sexual component."

The registration requirement serves as a way to protect the public from offenders, and not as a punishment, the court found. It is "a remedial regulatory scheme furthering a legitimate state interest," Judge Mark Boonstra wrote for the panel.

Boonstra did, however, note "there ... remains something troubling about the fact that defendant, while an offender who may properly and constitutionally be required to register in furtherance of the purpose of SORA, is deemed a 'sex offender' even though the offenses of which he was convicted, including the offenses for which he is required to register, as well as the conduct underlying them, were wholly non-sexual in nature."

Since SORA's short title and use of the undefined the term "sex offender" includes nonsexual crimes against minors, however, the court urged the Michigan Legislature "to eliminate its vagueness and ambiguity, and any resulting misperceptions."

[Neuro]

Apparently you wish to remain to be stupid and blind.
The video I provided confirms your ignorant of magnetism. The video proves 75w heats up a pipe red hot with fluctuating magnetic fields in seconds.
Hey neuro....why cant you provide any evidence that a 75w light bulb can heat up a nail red hot..................ohhh that's right..........because a transducer design to emit light cant.

Yes I can understand physics...and its the eddy currents produced by the tank circuit coil that heats up the nail when inserted within the coil magnetic field.
As far as the room being in the middle of the house doesn't give me the belief that I can get more heat out of 75w. 75w is 75w......however what it does allow is the heat from the red hot pipe to not dissipate as fast......you know, well maybe you don't know...having a room in the middle of the house is like having 3 pane windows where the air space in between the glass acts as insulation from the outside.

Accept your defeat neuro....go home and lick your wounds instead of being an obnoxious hateful moderator because the 75w fluctuating magnetic field heats up any metal object with eddy currents.
The 75w light bulb analogy was a piss poor analogy and you gulp it down hook, line and sinker......nice demonstration of intelligence you got there?
No you can't understand physics! LOL! Hateful? Plagiarizing Ximmy again? ;D

[7th trump]

No you can't understand physics! LOL! Hateful? Plagiarizing Ximmy again? ;D

Spoken like a real moderator huh?
I get it neuro.....you like playing games.
Cant say it isn't obvious what you are doing.....a 6 year old can see the game you're playing.
Plagiarizing Ximmy....really?
Grow up neuro!

Anyway neuro until you can prove a 75w light bulb can turn a metal object red hot like the video shows the 75w induction heater can and does you don't have much of anything to stand on. And what does that say about you?

Whats funny is when I lost power this last winter.....I lit a candle in the bathroom for light and it maintained the room at a nice and cozy temp.....so I know a 75w induction heater will do even better when heating up a 1 inch pipe red hot with air blowing through it.
I bet if you put a heating element in the coil it'll heat up even hotter than the metal pipe as the heating element is designed to resist current flow...thus an influx in heat....all with the 75w magnetic field.

[Neuro]

Spoken like a real moderator huh?
I get it neuro.....you like playing games.
Cant say it isn't obvious what you are doing.....a 6 year old can see the game you're playing.
Plagiarizing Ximmy....really?
Grow up neuro!

Anyway neuro until you can prove a 75w light bulb can turn a metal object red hot like the video shows the 75w induction heater can and does you don't have much of anything to stand on. And what does that say about you?

Whats funny is when I lost power this last winter.....I lit a candle in the bathroom for light and it maintained the room at a nice and cozy temp.....so I know a 75w induction heater will do even better when heating up a 1 inch pipe red hot with air blowing through it.
I bet if you put a heating element in the coil it'll heat up even hotter than the metal pipe as the heating element is designed to resist current flow...thus an influx in heat....all with the 75w magnetic field.
I'll give you a comparison you probably can't comprehend, thermite has about 1/10th of latent chemical energy, compared to gasolene, still thermite can melt steel while gasoline can't...

[7th trump]

I'll give you a comparison you probably can't comprehend, thermite has about 1/10th of latent chemical energy, compared to gasolene, still thermite can melt steel while gasoline can't...

Well well well....you can understand that but you cant understand eddy currents.

Again a piss poor analogy on your part....and I'm sure I could research thermite and find the reason why...not a big deal...but I'm sure you'll make it into a big deal.
Stick to what you know about what ever it is you know.............and I'll stick to what I know....frequency, current and resistance.

What you don't understand is the rapidly fluctuating magnetic field.....it doesnt take any physical connection to heat something up with eddy currents......AND THATS WHERE YOUR UNDERSTANDING OF THERMODYNAMICS FAIL.
You have no idea or clue how much heat is induced by magnetism per resistive material....you think you do but you don't.
Radar is a good example...stick your arm or leg in front of a radar unit and you'll suffer burns (internal) before you realize it.

And what is heat if your into thermodynamics neuro?
Its the atoms vibrating....what does high frequency magnetic waves do?
Vibrates the crap out of ferrous material at the particular frequency of the magnetic field....pretty efficient don't you think?
What do you think happens when you tune into the resonate frequency of an object?.....tesla knew this trick.

[palani]

THATS WHERE YOUR UNDERSTANDING OF THERMODYNAMICS FAIL
The steam engine did more for the science of thermodynamics than thermodynamics ever did for the steam engine.

https://books.google.com/books?id=bA9Lp2GH6OEC&pg=PA223&lpg=PA223&dq=The+steam+engine+did+more+for+the+science+of+th ermodynamics+than+thermodynamics+ever+did+for+the+ steam+engine.&source=bl&ots=0Hu8YOcEt9&sig=xiz3FN8mWuYRf4b5SCMC1wiAWAg&hl=en&sa=X&ei=1jEhVeWMAcWGsAWO0YHgBA&ved=0CDQQ6AEwAw#v=onepage&q=The%20steam%20engine%20did%20more%20for%20the%20 science%20of%20thermodynamics%20than%20thermodynam ics%20ever%20did%20for%20the%20steam%20engine.&f=false

[7th trump]

The steam engine did more for the science of thermodynamics than thermodynamics ever did for the steam engine.

https://books.google.com/books?id=bA9Lp2GH6OEC&pg=PA223&lpg=PA223&dq=The+steam+engine+did+more+for+the+science+of+th ermodynamics+than+thermodynamics+ever+did+for+the+ steam+engine.&source=bl&ots=0Hu8YOcEt9&sig=xiz3FN8mWuYRf4b5SCMC1wiAWAg&hl=en&sa=X&ei=1jEhVeWMAcWGsAWO0YHgBA&ved=0CDQQ6AEwAw#v=onepage&q=The%20steam%20engine%20did%20more%20for%20the%20 science%20of%20thermodynamics%20than%20thermodynam ics%20ever%20did%20for%20the%20steam%20engine.&f=false

I believe you.

[Neuro]

Well well well....you can understand that but you cant understand eddy currents.

Again a piss poor analogy on your part....and I'm sure I could research thermite and find the reason why...not a big deal...but I'm sure you'll make it into a big deal.
Stick to what you know about what ever it is you know.............and I'll stick to what I know....frequency, current and resistance.

What you don't understand is the rapidly fluctuating magnetic field.....it doesnt take any physical connection to heat something up with eddy currents......AND THATS WHERE YOUR UNDERSTANDING OF THERMODYNAMICS FAIL.
You have no idea or clue how much heat is induced by magnetism per resistive material....you think you do but you don't.
Radar is a good example...stick your arm or leg in front of a radar unit and you'll suffer burns (internal) before you realize it.

And what is heat if your into thermodynamics neuro?
Its the atoms vibrating....what does high frequency magnetic waves do?
Vibrates the crap out of ferrous material at the particular frequency of the magnetic field....pretty efficient don't you think?
What do you think happens when you tune into the resonate frequency of an object?.....tesla knew this trick.
What you obviously fail to understand, is that the 75 Watt of input electricity, into the induction coil, just as the electric input into a 75 Watt Tungsten filament light bulb, can't generate more than 75 Watt of heat, and both probably generate somewhere around 85-95% of heat if the coil is properly calibrated to the Ferrous material. Your idea that the coil can heat a room, will only work if the room doesn't require any significant heating, like your toilet in the middle of your house. The fact that the light bulb can't make a screwdriver red hot, doesn't mean it emits less heat than the red hot screw driver. Just like 10 kg of thermite doesn't emit more heat than 1 kg of gasoline even though the thermite can melt a significant amount of steel while the gasoline can't.

Amateur!

[7th trump]

What you obviously fail to understand, is that the 75 Watt of input electricity, into the induction coil, just as the electric input into a 75 Watt Tungsten filament light bulb, can't generate more than 75 Watt of heat, and both probably generate somewhere around 85-95% of heat if the coil is properly calibrated to the Ferrous material. Your idea that the coil can heat a room, will only work if the room doesn't require any significant heating, like your toilet in the middle of your house. The fact that the light bulb can't make a screwdriver red hot, doesn't mean it emits less heat than the red hot screw driver. Just like 10 kg of thermite doesn't emit more heat than 1 kg of gasoline even though the thermite can melt a significant amount of steel while the gasoline can't.

Amateur!

What you fail in understanding is most of the 75w is in the magnetic field. The 75w has nothing at all to do with the heat generated by the steel.
You don't even know the equation to solve that problem and neither do I, but I don't need to know it....all I need to see is the induction heater in action for proof.
The only thing in the light bulb emitting heat is the little tiny hair thin filament....now turn on the bulb for the same amount of time the induction heater is on and measure just how much heat is generated by both.
I'll guarantee you that the induction heater will out perform the light bulb any day of the week in heating up a chunk of steel.

There's no freaken way the light bulb could heat up the same pipe to red hot in the same amount of time as the induction heater....and that's my whole point.
The heat generated by the induction heater is far hotter and greater than the heat of the light bulb using the same amount of energy.
The video proves this beyond a shadow of a doubt.

Induction heating is more efficient and can operate from DC....something anyone can generate quite easily from home....off grid!

If you have a problem wrapping your head around the induction technology then why does an LED 7w bulb put out the equivalent light of a 60w incandescent bulb using far less energy?
You are taking for granted the potential of the magnetic field.

[Neuro]

what you fail in understanding is most of the 75w is in the magnetic field. The 75w has nothing at all to do with the heat generated by the steel.

lol!

[monty]

What you fail in understanding is most of the 75w is in the magnetic field. The 75w has nothing at all to do with the heat generated by the steel. You don't even know the equation to solve that problem and neither do I, but I don't need to know it....all I need to see is the induction heater in action for proof. The only thing in the light bulb emitting heat is the little tiny hair thin filament....now turn on the bulb for the same amount of time the induction heater is on and measure just how much heat is generated by both. I'll guarantee you that the induction heater will out perform the light bulb any day of the week in heating up a chunk of steel. There's no freaken way the light bulb could heat up the same pipe to red hot in the same amount of time as the induction heater....and that's my whole point. The heat generated by the induction heater is far hotter and greater than the heat of the light bulb using the same amount of energy. The video proves this beyond a shadow of a doubt. Induction heating is more efficient and can operate from DC....something anyone can generate quite easily from home....off grid! If you have a problem wrapping your head around the induction technology then why does an LED 7w bulb put out the equivalent light of a 60w incandescent bulb using far less energy? You are taking for granted the potential of the magnetic field.

If you did not have the 75 watts input into the coil you would not have the induced eddy currents when the magnetic fields collapsed because without the 75 watts there would be no magnetic fields colapsing as the current reveresed polarity. The 75 watts has every thing to do with the heat generated.

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[monty]

http://gold-silver.us/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=7480&stc=1The heat is generated in the workpiece, screwdriver in your case. As Palani pointed out to you itje workpiece is the secondary single turn (shorted) coil.

[7th trump]

If you did not have the 75 watts input into the coil you would not have the induced eddy currents when the magnetic fields collapsed because without the 75 watts there would be no magnetic fields colapsing as the current reveresed polarity. The 75 watts has every thing to do with the heat generated.

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Yes you are correct.
However, neuro tried to tell me that the heat generated wont ever get over 75w which is false.
The heat generated is proportional to the size and frequency of the magnetic field...frequency being a more factor. Rub your hands together 3 times in a second and take note of the heat generated and then try it with 7 rubs a second and tell me it didn't get hotter....it will get hotter.
But with induction there is no resistance of two objects rubbing together like your two hands. The resistance is all done by the eddy currents being forced by the magnetic field through the metal object. The more the resistant metal the hotter it will get using the same wattage in the magnetic field.
This is where neuro doesn't grasp the potential of magnetism.

At John Deere Harvester they have a powerhouse. This powerhouse has three early 1900 battle ship generators that uses 120vdc (from lead acid battery banks) to excite the generator fields to produce 13,800vac to run the plant when city power goes down like it did last year when a transformer blue just outside the gates.....does that make any sense if you listen to neuro's logic?
I hope the hell it doesn't.
Neuro may know about thermodynamics...but he sure as hell doesn't know about electricity and magnetism and its relation to each other.

[7th trump]

http://gold-silver.us/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=7480&stc=1The heat is generated in the workpiece, screwdriver in your case. As Palani pointed out to you itje workpiece is the secondary single turn (shorted) coil.

Sorry monty....that bolt is not a coil of wire.
I can and have hooked up the primary of transformers and the secondary coil does not get hot one bit...palani's is pulling your leg.
If anything the bolt acts like the core...not a secondary coil. The reason why the cores on transformers are laminated is to stop the eddy currents....secondary coils aren't laminated....think about it.....the secondary coils usually are wrapped around the core with the primary coil.
And that picture depicts the eddy currents within the bolt (transformer core)

Induction heaters are transducers...not transformers. Induction heaters don't transform electricity they take one form of energy and turn it into another form of energy (heat in this case).

[monty]

The bolt acts as a single turn coil that is shorted. The induced current flows in the bolt (shorted coil) and generates the heat. Transformer manufacturers go to great lenghts to prevent this heating phenomenon from occuring in their products.

The inducción heater works on the same principle as the transformer. Induced current flow.

Edit to add:

Palani isn't the only one "pulling my leg".




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Hmm, won't sticking ferrous metals into the coil change the resonant frequency? Increasing L means decreasing Hz. Thus if you're not careful this thing my over run the transistors with no load.

It tends to the opposite, putting more iron in the field acts as a shorted turn transformer, raising the resonant frequency.

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[monty]

But the whole point of this discusión has been and still is "you cannot get more out than you put in".

[7th trump]

But the whole point of this discusión has been and still is "you cannot get more out than you put in".

Yep I agree....but neuro doesn't know the power factor of magnetism or magnetic fields. And its known that induction is more efficient...thus causing the heat factor to go up!
The video shows a 75w magnetic field turns that metal red hot in seconds.....a 75w light bulb cant do that in minutes.
Neuro's problem is hes trying to say the heat is no different.......but the power is related to the magnetic field not the heat. Its a different factor in the amount of heat generated by the induction (frequency plays a huge role here......just remember the hand rubbing factor). The light bulb is just radiant heat from a small hair thin filament.
The induction heater produces more heat than a light bulb using the same power factor.

So what produces more heat in the same amount of time using the same power rating?
The induction heater does

[7th trump]

The bolt acts as a single turn coil that is shorted. The induced current flows in the bolt (shorted coil) and generates the heat. Transformer manufacturers go to great lenghts to prevent this heating phenomenon from occuring in their products.

The inducción heater works on the same principle as the transformer. Induced current flow.

Edit to add:

Palani isn't the only one "pulling my leg".




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Hmm, won't sticking ferrous metals into the coil change the resonant frequency? Increasing L means decreasing Hz. Thus if you're not careful this thing my over run the transistors with no load.

It tends to the opposite, putting more iron in the field acts as a shorted turn transformer, raising the resonant frequency.

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Yes transformer company's do.......they invest a lot on the core to make it more efficient....not the secondary coil.
The induction heater is not a transformer...its a transducer.


A transducer is an electronic device that converts energy from one form to another. Common examples include microphones, loudspeakers, thermometers, position and pressure sensors, and antenna. Although not generally thought of as transducers, photocells, LEDs (light-emitting diodes), and even common light bulbs are transducers.



Electricity. an electric device consisting essentially of two or more windings wound on the same core, which by electromagnetic induction transforms electric energy from one set of one or more circuits to another set of one or more circuits such that the frequency of the energy remains unchanged while the voltage and current usually change

[Horn]

I'm sorry was this thread in regards to Snowden, or being "snowed in" will have to check later.

[monty]

I think it has been "snowed in"¡

[Dogman]

I think it has been "snowed in"¡

But we have a 75 watt super duper heater that we can melt our way out of it!

;)

[monty]

Snowden might need that to stay warm in Moscow. I understand the winters are mighty cold