Louisiana Makes It Illegal To Use Cash For Secondhand Sales

[singular_me]

Louisiana Makes It Illegal To Use Cash For Secondhand Sales
Wednesday 8th April 2015

One of the good features of cash is the fact that it can be used anonymously. It’s no surprise that the government hates that, but would you ever expect the government to actually outlaw the use of cash?

Down in Louisiana, a recently passed law completely outlaws the use of cash in transactions for secondhand goods. When I read the story, I thought it was so crazy that it had to be a misunderstanding. I looked up the bill, and the original version of the bill actually does not have this clause.

Instead, it requires that anyone selling secondhand goods make a detailed recording of any cash transaction. But somewhere along the way, that bill was amended, and the final version (embedded below) does, in fact, appear to ban cash transactions:’

A secondhand dealer shall not enter into any cash transactions in payment for the purchase of junk or used or secondhand property. Payment shall be made in the form of check, electronic transfers, or money order issued to the seller of the junk or used or secondhand property and made payable to the name and address of the seller. All payments made by check, electronic transfers, or money order shall be reported separately in the daily reports required by R.S. 37:1866.

I do wonder if that's even legal. Our cash clearly says that "This note is legal tender for all debts, public and private." While businesses may have the right to refuse cash, can a government outlaw the use of cash? That seems pretty extreme.

The state representative behind the bill, Rickey Hardy, seems to think it's no big deal, admitting that this is purely to make life easier for law enforcement in response to criminals who steal stuff and then sell it off:

"It's a mechanism to be used so the police department has something to go on and have a lead," explains Hardy.

You can understand why law enforcement wants that, but just because law enforcement wants details of your private transactions, it doesn't mean you should be blocked from using cash. And people wonder why there was so much interest in Bitcoin (even if Bitcoin itself is rather flawed).

https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20111019/17424316421/louisiana-makes-it-illegal-to-use-cash-secondhand-sales.shtml

also
http://www.inquisitr.com/152479/it-is-now-illegal-to-use-cash-in-louisiana-to-buy-second-hand-goods/
http://dailyreckoning.com/louisiana-law/
http://crooksandliars.com/nicole-belle/wtf-louisiana-bans-cash-second-hand-t
http://www.infowars.com/insane-ban-on-cash-transactions-in-louisiana/


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yrGMgsJQGUE

[palani]

Need a court of first impression.

What happened to LEGAL TENDER FOR ALL DEBTS PUBLIC AND PRIVATE?

Anyone in Louisiana might want to check out 12 USC 411 and start using lawful money rather than cash.

'Course Louisiana is the only civil law state in the union so that might be they want a test case in this environment. In common law states you only need an injury and not a statute. In civil law countries the statute must precede the crime so they have to be much more explicit.

[midnight rambler]

"It's a mechanism to be used so the police department has something to go on and have a lead," explains Hardy.

So how do you geniuses at the state legislature expect your thugs with badges to develop leads from a USPS money order where all the info is excluded expect the payee blank?

[7th trump]

Need a court of first impression.

What happened to LEGAL TENDER FOR ALL DEBTS PUBLIC AND PRIVATE?

Anyone in Louisiana might want to check out 12 USC 411 and start using lawful money rather than cash.

'Course Louisiana is the only civil law state in the union so that might be they want a test case in this environment. In common law states you only need an injury and not a statute. In civil law countries the statute must precede the crime so they have to be much more explicit.

12usc 411 is obsolete, as far as redeeming is concerned, since the gold standard has been suspended.

[ximmy]

America. Making criminals of its citizens, one state at a time.

[palani]

12usc 411 is obsolete, as far as redeeming is concerned, since the gold standard has been suspended.
You presume that the executive branch can override any legislation by executive order?

And try to find me a definition of lawful money. There is none. I presume gold and silver specie (non-fungible) are forms of lawful money and they are definitely forms of constitutional money and constitutional money I presume is lawful money but I suspect there are other forms of lawful money that I might not know about. That is why I need a definition of "What is lawful money?" that is full, complete,non-circular and that describes non-lawful money (as FRNs obviously are... fungible).

[Santa]

How could they enforce such a bullshit law? Send a cop out to every garage sale, or every flea market table or craigslist ad?

[hoarder]

Laws like these are passed under the pretense of thwarting thieves. It's supposed to prevent them from selling their plunder. Similar local laws have been passed forcing PM dealers to record the name of anyone selling PM's to them. Missoula has such a law. I remember Austin, Tx had a similar law.

Of course in those cases the real purpose of the law is to thwart honest money.

[7th trump]

You presume that the executive branch can override any legislation by executive order?

And try to find me a definition of lawful money. There is none. I presume gold and silver specie (non-fungible) are forms of lawful money and they are definitely forms of constitutional money and constitutional money I presume is lawful money but I suspect there are other forms of lawful money that I might not know about. That is why I need a definition of "What is lawful money?" that is full, complete,non-circular and that describes non-lawful money (as FRNs obviously are... fungible).

I would imagine that minted US coins (the dime, pennies, quarters and nickles) are lawful money....by your definition.
The federal reserve doesnt mint these coins....the US mint does, therefore constituting as this "lawful money".

I'll garantee you Palani using copper clad or even silver and gold US coins, even though minted by the US Mint, will be seen as illegal by the Lousiana state government for use as second hand transactions.
Its not a matter of lawful money, frns or coins....its a matter of exactly what the Lousiania state government stated the illegality of second hand transactions is about.

States and local governments pass legislation all the time that dont quite pass the constitutional test so people file a complaint to reverse the action of the law, but somehow you think "lawful money", which you do not know the definition of, is the magical silver bullet.
Why is theres always a magic or silver bullet or a conspiracy with you palani.

[palani]

I would imagine...

And why would I concern myself with your fantasies?

[7th trump]

Laws like these are passed under the pretense of thwarting thieves. It's supposed to prevent them from selling their plunder. Similar local laws have been passed forcing PM dealers to record the name of anyone selling PM's to them. Missoula has such a law. I remember Austin, Tx had a similar law.

Of course in those cases the real purpose of the law is to thwart honest money.

There is no clause in the US Constitution or any state Constitution that says "money" must be made of precious metal..............there is no such thing.

What is "honest money"?
Do you know what "honest money" is
If you do please tell us.

The closest I can get to honest when it comes to money...is the over sight of weights and measures.....however, a dollar is equal to 100 pennies...and a silver dollar is 100 pennies as is any gold dollar or a Treasury note or a frn.
As far as cents.....all paper, copper clad, and precious metal US minted coins are valued by the amount of cents....the 1 cent penny....and none of these have changed. The $1 hasnt changed from 100 cents.....and the .25 cent quarter is still worth 25 cents.
They removed the gold standard in 1933 and the silver in 1971.....but the US dollar is still worth 100 cents.....the "measure" hasnt changed and neither has the "weight"........."weight" no longer has any legal meaning as the gold and silver standards are suspended...it no longer applies.

[7th trump]

And why would I concern myself with your fantasies?

If you want to call it a fantasy go right ahead....but dont forget its your conspiracy.....US minted coins arent "lawful money".....they are not printed or minted by the federal reserve banks, but by the US government itself.
I have no doubt you are a fool as you just called the "lawful money" theory that you cling to....a fantasy.

Ive been calling LM a fantasy for many years and anyone who beleives that crap a fool.

[Jewboo]

Laws like these are passed under the pretense of thwarting thieves.




http://media.lehighvalleylive.com/bethlehem_impact/photo/alexs-lemonade-stand-8ec1c4e50e90f858.jpg


Alex could be dealing crack from under his counter. Or child porn. All goyim street sellers of lemonade should have Homeland Security background checks and be licensed.

http://crushzion.k0nsl.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/ben-garrison-police-search-big-brother-jew.jpg

[Hitch]

How could they enforce such a bullshit law? Send a cop out to every garage sale, or every flea market table or craigslist ad?

Book beat me too it, but remember when the cops shut down those kid's lemonade stands? Kids were crying and such. If cops can do that, shutting down a garage sale or flea market should be easy for them. All they have to do is shut down a few of them for an example, and most sheep (people) will fall in line.

[Shami-Amourae]

I see a lot of kid-run carwashes and lemonade stands pop up all the time here in the Magic Valley, and never saw one get shut down. One of my neighbors is 13, and he has his own lawn-mowing business. He also has an AK-47, but that Idaho for you.

:D

[mick silver]

A Government of Wolves: The Emerging American Police State

[palani]

If you want to call it a fantasy go right ahead ... You were the one who stated you were using your imagination to come up with c*r*a*p. Isn't your imagination a fantasy land?


but dont forget its your conspiracy.....US minted coins arent "lawful money".....they are not printed or minted by the federal reserve banks, but by the US government itself.
BFD. The U.S. government is foreign except for those domestic relations established by their constitution.


you just called the "lawful money" theory that you cling to....a fantasy.
Actually congress came up with the concept of lawful money but they did so without defining it. I have my own definition. Lawful money is a fungible object that comes to me with no additional strings attached. So congress made the offer and I have merely accepted their offer. If you don't spot a contract in here somewhere then you are likely blind as well as stupid.

[7th trump]

You were the one who stated you were using your imagination to come up with c*r*a*p. Isn't your imagination a fantasy land?
What I said was a suggestion based on your beleif that lawful money is money printed or coined by the US treasury.

BFD. The U.S. government is foreign except for those domestic relations established by their constitution.
Thats still doesnt negate your interpretation of 12usc 411...which is grossly wrong.


Actually congress came up with the concept of lawful money but they did so without defining it. I have my own definition. Lawful money is a fungible object that comes to me with no additional strings attached. So congress made the offer and I have merely accepted their offer. If you don't spot a contract in here somewhere then you are likely blind as well as stupid.
Yep Congress did and the courts have also said frn is "lawful money".
And your definition means nothing as its frivolously based not in the law....but conspiracy and tales.
All money is fungable...even US treasure notes are fungible.............I dont have to use any form of any medium of exchange (money)....anybody can barter........A gallon of milk for a dozen eggs.

That offer of redeeming is suspended when the gold standard was suspended.....,.there is no contract what so ever. Ask any fool who redeems frn at banks and see what they get in return..................more frn's.
Being blind has nothing to do with being a fool. I know many fools who arent blind.

[palani]

Yep Congress did and the courts have also said frn is "lawful money".
I am not disputing that a FRN MIGHT be lawful money. After all, my definition says that lawful money must come to me with no additional strings attached. And while one miracle might be to convert water to wine another might be to demand lawful money and be presented with just that in the form of a FRN. Don't you git it? Both are 'miracles' but without the action of demanding lawful money you might be a wino having to learn to drink water.



Ask any fool who redeems frn at banks and see what they get in return..................more frn's.
See my comments above. Without knowing the proper way to perform a miracle (conversion of a FRN to lawful money) then all you are going to get is something fungible.

[7th trump]

I am not disputing that a FRN MIGHT be lawful money. After all, my definition says that lawful money must come to me with no additional strings attached. And while one miracle might be to convert water to wine another might be to demand lawful money and be presented with just that in the form of a FRN. Don't you git it? Both are 'miracles' but without the action of demanding lawful money you might be a wino having to learn to drink water.



See my comments above. Without knowing the proper way to perform a miracle (conversion of a FRN to lawful money) then all you are going to get is something fungible.

Awesome!!!!!!

So.......let me get this straight.
A frn when redeemed isn't a frn?
And once redeemed you then can use these redeemed frn's to pay off debt, not off set debt, but to pay off debt...........did I get that right Palani?
This just begs the question.................how do the banks and creditors know those frn in your pocket are now "lawful money" and to pay off the debt instead of off setting the debt?
And how does the next guy who receives those same redeemed frn's know those particular frns are lawful money?
Seriously if you went and redeemed a bunch of frn's and went t othe gas station and filled up on gasoline...how does the cashier know?
That cashier would put them in the cash drawer for the next guys change.

See how silly your lawful money conspiracy tale is palani?
None of your lawful money crapola ever passes the muster test of common sense.

And don't give me this crap the debt is redeemed from the frn's either. 12usc 411 says the physical frn's is redeemed.

Hahahaha...this will be a good one watching palani explain this bullshit tale.
Come on palani...lets hear this lie.

[palani]

So.......let me get this straight.
A frn when redeemed isn't a frn?
An FRN is non-fungible. It isn't money.
An FRN that is lawful money is fungible.
So outwardly they appear to be the same. They are not though.

once redeemed you then can use these redeemed frn's to pay off debt, not off set debt, but to pay off debt...........did I get that right I have never had anyone refuse them even though they don't carry the same attributes. People generally have an appalling lack of interest it seems.

.how do the banks and creditors know those frn in your pocket are now "lawful money" and to pay off the debt instead of off setting the debt? My servants haven't filled me completely in on the mechanisms they use. Neither do I ask my janitors how they manage to keep the floors clean. When I fly I don't question the flight engineer on his job either. Do you?

[7th trump]

An FRN is non-fungible. It isn't money.
An FRN that is lawful money is fungible.
So outwardly they appear to be the same. They are not though.
I have never had anyone refuse them even though they don't carry the same attributes. People generally have an appalling lack of interest it seems.
My servants haven't filled me completely in on the mechanisms they use. Neither do I ask my janitors how they manage to keep the floors clean. When I fly I don't question the flight engineer on his job either. Do you?

Fungibility has nothing at all to do with anything with money in the sense you put it.


Fungibility is the property of a good or a commodity whose individual units are capable of mutual substitution. That is, it is the property of essences or goods which are "capable of being substituted in place of one another."[1] For example, since one ounce of gold is equivalent to any other ounce of gold, gold is fungible. Other fungible commodities include sweet crude oil, company shares, bonds, precious metals, and currencies. Fungibility refers only to the equivalence of each unit of a commodity with other units of the same commodity. Fungibility does not relate to the exchange of one commodity for another different commodity.

Seems frn's are fungible palani......redeeming is fungible.
If you redeem a frn for a treasury note as it were prior to 1913....isn't that fungible?

[palani]

Fungibility has nothing at all to do with anything with money in the sense you put it.
I understand your reading comprehension problems but do try to concentrate upon the following

http://i58.tinypic.com/28hd109.jpg


If you redeem a frn for a treasury note as it were prior to 1913....isn't that fungible?
The non-fungible nature of unlawful money requires congress to step in with 12 USC 411 to provide for that exchange. An exchange would not be possible without 12 USC 411 because a FRN is SPECIAL ... it is only used for exchange between Federal Reserve banks and their agents.

[7th trump]

I understand your reading comprehension problems but do try to concentrate upon the following

http://i58.tinypic.com/28hd109.jpg


The non-fungible nature of unlawful money requires congress to step in with 12 USC 411 to provide for that exchange. An exchange would not be possible without 12 USC 411 because a FRN is SPECIAL ... it is only used for exchange between Federal Reserve banks and their agents.

What is the source?
I'm no fool palani. For all I know what you posted there might be foreign law and if it is it doesn't apply to American law.
So...what's the source.
No you fool.......... frn's do not just exchange between federal reserve banks and their agents....12usc 411 specifically says they are obligations of the US government, and for all taxes, customs and public dues....(money....and the courts have cited that frn's are lawful money.)

12usc 411 is broken up into three (3) sections...each have a purpose unrelated to the other.
Why do you lie?

[Twisted Titan]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yrGMgsJQGUE&feature=youtube_gdata_player

I havent seen pastor dowell in a good while

Man is truly sounding the alarm

Good stuff.

[Cebu_4_2]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yrGMgsJQGUE&feature=youtube_gdata_player

I havent seen pastor dowell in a good while

Man is truly sounding the alarm

Good stuff.

Just hope he wakes some people up. Sounds intelligent, hope his followers keep with him.

[cheka.]

speaking of LA.....here's a slice of life around LSU


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SYJTNTo_Yqg&feature=player_detailpage

[Santa]

Weird...This Louisiana Bill 195 was passed in 2011... that's 4 years ago, and I can't find any online reaction or review by the public as to how such a draconian measure has effected them.
Was it actually ever implemented? Has it held up in court? What's going on with it today in real life?

[Dogman]

Weird...This Louisiana Bill 195 was passed in 2011... that's 4 years ago, and I can't find any online reaction or review by the public as to how such a draconian measure has effected them.
Was it actually ever implemented? Has it held up in court? What's going on with it today in real life?

Same, nothing mentioned on any major m/s or local sites, I live close to the border and catch their news, and I have heard nothing about this!

Knowing Louisianan types if this law exists, it is being totally ignored!

[Santa]

Louisiana Makes It Illegal To Use Cash For Secondhand Sales
Wednesday 8th April 2015

One of the good features of cash is the fact that it can be used anonymously. It’s no surprise that the government hates that, but would you ever expect the government to actually outlaw the use of cash?

Down in Louisiana, a recently passed law completely outlaws the use of cash in transactions for secondhand goods. When I read the story, I thought it was so crazy that it had to be a misunderstanding. I looked up the bill, and the original version of the bill actually does not have this clause.

Instead, it requires that anyone selling secondhand goods make a detailed recording of any cash transaction. But somewhere along the way, that bill was amended, and the final version (embedded below) does, in fact, appear to ban cash transactions:’


The OP article is a 2015 rehash of a 2011 article, but it is implying that the Bill has just recently been amended. I'm not finding any evidence of that. Anyone have evidence?

[Hitch]

speaking of LA.....here's a slice of life around LSU


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SYJTNTo_Yqg&feature=player_detailpage

This is BS. This should be a hate crime. If the races were reversed, if a white guy told a black guy he was in the wrong neighborhood and would not make it out, then beat him up. It would be a hate crime.

[Santa]

Same, nothing mentioned on any major m/s or local sites, I live close to the border and catch their news, and I have heard nothing about this!

Knowing Louisianan types if this law exists, it is being totally ignored!

Yeah, exactly. I'd totally ignore it as well, since it would affect my, um, "hobbies" directly, and I assume there are quite a few folks in Louisiana who are much like myself.

[Twisted Titan]

But thats how it is.....they will toss a draconian law in and it passes and there is nothing more about it.

Then at a hour of their choosing some greaseball prosecutor can pull this outta their ass to hang innocent folk on.


It has happened to many times

[Santa]

But thats how it is.....they will toss a draconian law in and it passes and there is nothing more about it.

Then at a hour of their choosing some greaseball prosecutor can pull this outta their ass to hang innocent folk on.


It has happened to many times

Very true...and it would take many years and personal finances to challenge it through to the State Supreme Magi who would probably find in its favor anyway,
even though everyone knows it's thoroughly corrupt legislation, created to extract more blood and labor from the working chattel.