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Ares
9th April 2015, 05:07 PM
I RECANT.

I'm using this Facebook post to make a couple of personal confessions.

In one way or another, we are all victims of our past. I was schooled in certain persuasions that have taken 3/4 of a lifetime to overcome. But when I made a conscious decision to pursue and follow truth--no matter where it led me--many years ago, my mind and heart have been liberated with the illumination of truth time and time again. I personally believe that only people who, in their hearts, are sincerely open to truth will ever find it.

I will not make these issues a test of fellowship with those who disagree with me (although, I'm sure many of them will). I, myself, believed differently for all of my adult life. And these conclusions have not been made overnight. It has taken years of study and research to bring me to the conclusions I am sharing with you in this post.

Obviously, this forum will not allow me to go into detail about the conclusions I'm going to share. That must be reserved for another day and another forum. But, for the sake of the folks--especially those Christian folks--who follow my work, I believe I need to be honest and straightforward regarding these conclusions.

So, here we go:

1. I recant the dogmatism of a belief in a pre-millennial rapture.

That doesn't mean that I DON'T believe in a Rapture. It just means that I am no longer dogmatic about it; and neither do I think that it matters to a tinker's dam regarding my personal duty to God. The Lord is going to fulfill His divine will regarding prophetic events in His time. Quite frankly, I am convinced that, for the most part, it is not for us to know the things God has reserved unto Himself. (Acts 1:6, 7)

For too long, many of our pre-millennial friends have been using a belief in the Rapture as an excuse to sit back on their blessed assurance and do nothing. Even if the doctrine is true, the way it is being used as an excuse to not engage the liberty fight is downright shameful.

2. I recant the position that the modern state of Israel is the same as the prophetic Israel of the Bible.

The nation of Israel rejected their Messiah and God destroyed their nation, their capital city, and their temple in 70 AD. Spiritually, the children of Israel have been in a state of blindness ever since. With the advent of the New Testament Church, we are NOT Jews or Gentiles, Greeks or Barbarians, etc.: we are all ONE IN CHRIST. God's people today are the blood-washed saints of all races, ethnicities, nationalities, etc. Again, we are ONE IN CHRIST.

Accordingly, I am convinced that the modern state of Israel is NOT the prophetic fulfillment of the future redeemed nation of Israel. NOT IN ANY SHAPE, MANNER, OR FORM. I further conclude that the misapplication of applying prophetic scriptures to the modern state of Israel is producing nothing but perpetual war, the demise of liberty at home, the rise of a Police State, and the facilitation of a devilish New World Order.

So, there you have it. I RECANT.

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osoab
9th April 2015, 08:17 PM
Is he selling a new book?

Cebu_4_2
9th April 2015, 08:38 PM
I can not find anything about jewish anywhere. Another off shoot of hope and dreams.

Jewboo
9th April 2015, 10:23 PM
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I knew my post regarding Israel would bring out the liveliest of discussion. I wasn't disappointed. smile emoticon And with the exception of a small handful, the debate was mostly cordial. I am REALLY happy to see that. The hateful spirit of many so-called "Christians" is epidemic. I was refreshed at the overall respectfulness of the posts. And I could not help but notice how some people were quick to jump to unfounded conclusions as to what I said about Israel. This is un...

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:(?? gotta log into Facebook to read the SEE MORE...what did he say?

Shami-Amourae
9th April 2015, 10:29 PM
:(?? gotta log into Facebook to read the SEE MORE...what did he say?


I knew my post regarding Israel would bring out the liveliest of discussion. I wasn't disappointed. smile emoticon And with the exception of a small handful, the debate was mostly cordial. I am REALLY happy to see that. The hateful spirit of many so-called "Christians" is epidemic. I was refreshed at the overall respectfulness of the posts.

And I could not help but notice how some people were quick to jump to unfounded conclusions as to what I said about Israel. This is un...fortunate; but it also demonstrates the lack of personal study of the issue. Many people simply must pigeon-hole everybody into some "camp" or label. That is the result of forming one's opinions based on someone else's study and not their own. Some people have a difficult time trying to fathom independent conclusions that do not comport with their idea of a traditional belief system. Sadly, this is a mark of people who are seldom able to think for themselves.

Agree or disagree, my conclusions are the result of my personal study, research, and prayer. Furthermore, I am not afraid to admit that I may have been mistaken in what I used to believe or what I had been formerly taught. And let me also add that agree or disagree on this, and many other subjects, if we are "in Christ" we are brothers in the Lord; we need to always remember that. smile emoticon

Anyway, if anyone wants to hear a more complete explanation of what I believe the Bible teaches regarding Israel (past, present, and future), I have a four-message DVD entitled "The Church And Israel" that I recently delivered to the folks at Liberty Fellowship. I invite you to watch it.

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