Move to Hawaii?

[messianicdruid]

Wondering if it is still the tropical paradise or has fukashima had any impact in the islands.

Thinking about a move, via boat!

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[Shami-Amourae]

What color are you?

[milehi]

Beat me to it.

[Cebu_4_2]

What color are you?

What am I missing?

[Shami-Amourae]

What am I missing?

The Natives hate White people. They target them if they aren't tourists.

A family member of mine lived there and told me he left since it was so bad.

[Cebu_4_2]

The Natives hate White people. They target them if they aren't tourists.

Same with most tourist destinations.

[milehi]

I went to the big Island for a downhill mountain bike race a couple years ago. The local competition was cool but after dark in Kona, it was best just to stay inside. I drove from Kona to Volcano National Park and picked up a white kid who was hitch hiking. During the 100 mile ride, he told me he had to fight everyday at school.

[singular_me]

considering seriously... poison is everywhere however... just wont go swim in the ocean nor eat fish.

up here in NM chemtrails are just terrible... not to mention the alamos threat

[messianicdruid]

considering seriously... poison is everywhere however... just wont go swim in the ocean nor eat fish.

up here in NM chemtrails are just terrible... not to mention the alamos threat
Have people quit surfing? Are they eating locally caught fish? Are the coconuts still falling on people's heads? Is there enough food grown on the islands to feed the islands? I can eat sheep showers and catch panfish.

[singular_me]

I just notice now your "sator" square...

well first, I am going to go work part time on a farm that grows all sorts of fruits ... for logging and board, many even give good weekly stipends there. Then look for opportunities, get to know the area and take it from there. But dont think i can do more than 2 years on a island that so far away from everything.

I dont think many people have stopped surfing... lake fish is better than from rivers as they end in the ocean.

There are interesting and out of the box people in hawaii.




Have people quit surfing? Are they eating locally caught fish? Are the coconuts still falling on people's heads? Is there enough food grown on the islands to feed the islands? I can eat sheep showers and catch panfish.

[expat4ever]

Wow, WTF is going on. A friend just move there and I know several others who are in the process of moving there. I'm selling the house and moving there as soon as it sells. Just seems strange all of a sudden so many are looking at moving there.

[Horn]

I'd never live anywhere I haven't stayed long enough to get a haircut from the local barber to check it out.

Or break in a pair of shoes.

[singular_me]

actually it might be one of the best places for when the SHTF, more upsides than downsides.

Many libertarians live there


Wow, WTF is going on. A friend just move there and I know several others who are in the process of moving there. I'm selling the house and moving there as soon as it sells. Just seems strange all of a sudden so many are looking at moving there.

[Shami-Amourae]

Hawaii is one of the worst places for SHTF actually.
http://s1.postimg.org/52xrfbhxr/hawaii1.jpg

http://s1.postimg.org/r3e3vy0lr/hawaii2.jpg

http://s1.postimg.org/5ef7s2ydr/hawaii3.jpg

[EE_]

5 UNCOMFORTABLE TRUTHS ABOUT LIVING IN HAWAII

BY LIANNE YU MARCH 12, 2015

1. Paradise is one of the most expensive places to live in the US.
If you want to live in Honolulu, the cosmopolitan hub of the islands, be prepared to pay as much for a home as you might in San Francisco or New York City. The limited amount of developable land and the desirability of the island lifestyle mean that the majority of homes are financially beyond the reach of people with an average income. Even Hawaii’s middle class families struggle to own their own homes.

The higher cost of living doesn’t stop there. Because Hawaii currently imports so much of its food, groceries cost about 50% more than the national average. And because it is the most oil-dependent state in the US, utilities are close to 70% more than what mainland residents are used to. Everything from driving a car to eating at a restaurant to buying milk at the store costs more in paradise.

2. Hawaii has a brain drain problem.
Tourists flock to Hawaii to experience the white sand beaches, aloha spirit, and laidback lifestyle. It can be hard for them to understand why anybody would ever want to leave. But for young people just getting out of school, lucrative and meaningful jobs are in short supply. Hawaii’s economy has, for many decades, been dependent on tourism, the military, and the government. For cutting-edge careers in science, technology, and business, young people acknowledge that they need to leave the state. Families who can afford to do so typically send their kids to colleges on the Mainland, with the hope that their children can have greater opportunities for advancement than they can back home in Hawaii.

The state government has recognized this brain drain problem, and is trying to diversify its economy to be more attractive to young people. “Startup Paradise” is one initiative, aimed at fostering an entrepreneurial ecosystem in order to keep Hawaii’s brightest from fleeing.

3. The food economy is screwed up.
Visitors to Hawaii assume that because of the lush, tropical environment, everybody eats locally-grown food all of the time. And while you can find papaya, banana, and avocado trees everywhere, the reality of Hawaii’s food system is a far cry from the common perception. Today, 90% of the food eaten in the state is imported. Go into any Safeway, and you will find bananas and avocados, but for the most part, these are from Mexico or Central America. The fish and shrimp aren’t caught offshore, but rather, frozen and flown in from as far away as Thailand and the Philippines.

What Hawaii does grow — macadamia nuts, pineapples, and coffee — is mostly exported. Yes, Hawai’i Island is home to Parker Ranch, one of the biggest cattle ranches in the US. But once the cows are weaned from their mothers, they are shipped off to the Mainland in order to be raised on corn. And then they make their way back to Hawaii as — you guessed it — beef imported from the Mainland.

Locals are becoming increasingly aware of the need for food sovereignty. This has resulted in a resurgence of interest in locally-grown foods, and an expanding farm-to-table movement.

4. Some islands have limited access to healthcare.
Ask anyone where they would like to retire, and warm places by the beach top their lists. Despite the perception of Hawaii as an ideal place to spend one’s golden years, the fact is that access to healthcare can get spotty once you’re outside of Oahu, the main island for government, commerce, and tourism.

For example, residents on the Big Island suffer from limited access to primary, mental, and specialized care. I can personally attest to this. When I first moved to the island, I wanted to find a female primary care physician, but the only one taking patients was 90 minutes away by car. My 80-year-old neighbor has to fly to Honolulu regularly to receive specialized care.

While Hawaii is often ranked as one of the healthiest states in the nation, due to the high percentage of people who swim, surf, run, and bike all year round, the reality is more complicated. The state has one of the highest rates of diabetes in the nation, and the problem is especially acute among the native Hawaiian population. Hawaii also has one of the highest rates of crystal methamphetamine abuse in the country.

5. The struggle for Hawaiian sovereignty is alive and well.
Americans take for granted the fact that Hawaii is a state. We can fly there without a passport. We see familiar stores, such as Starbucks and Target. We can get on the internet. Our mobile phones work. Despite the exotic, tropical atmosphere, we immediately know we’re still in the good ol’ US of A.

But Hawaii’s statehood is, in fact, a contested area, and Hawaiian sovereignty movement groups have gained momentum in the last few decades. They argue that the United States illegally overthrew Hawaii’s sovereign queen in 1893, beginning a military occupation that culminated in the islands becoming the 50th US state in 1959. Although the sovereignty groups don’t agree on all points, they generally view the US as an occupier or colonizer of the islands. Many advocate for self-determination and self-governance, either for Hawaii as an independent nation or for people with native Hawaiian ancestry as a nation within a nation.

While it is unclear what the outcomes of this movement will be, it is important for all of us who visit Hawaii or call it our home to be respectful of the grievances of the Hawaiian people, and to recognize the violent history that made it possible for us to, for better or worse, enjoy our soy lattes on the beach.

[Dogman]

Linky.

http://matadornetwork.com/notebook/5-uncomfortable-truths-living-hawaii/

[Shami-Amourae]

I've said this many times, but if you post on this forum, you're a certain type of person. This type of person would work best to relocate to the American Redoubt since it has the highest concentration of people like us in the world. The most Liberty friendly region is the American Redoubt:

http://survivalblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/redoubt.jpg

There are several forum members who live in The American Redoubt. There's a bunch in Wyoming and a few in Idaho.

[palani]

it is important for all of us who visit Hawaii or call it our home to be respectful of the grievances of the Hawaiian people, and to recognize the violent history

Rather than visiting The State of Hawaii you could always opt to pay a diplomatic visit to the Kingdom of Hawaiʻi. Your declarations determine where you choose to be and nothing forces anyone to recognize a rump body politic. This concept is true on the mainland as well.

[Horn]

Go into any Safeway, and you will find bananas and avocados, but for the most part, these are from Mexico or Central America

That is beyond fucked up, sounds like the people themselves never had any take on the farming lands there.

[singular_me]

thanks for the info, I will have to probe a lot more it seems but the 3 people whose friends live in hawaii were a lot more island friendly

also my neighbor down the dirt road (yes I am not living in the city but up in the mountains in the middle of the wilderness) has spent the last 3 years going to hawaii during the winter(her sister lives there) and now wants to relocate.

[Heisenberg]

The Natives hate White people. They target them if they aren't tourists.

A family member of mine lived there and told me he left since it was so bad.
I think whites should leave. And take their skills, technology, money and wits with them. Then we should sell Hawaii to the Chinese for 4 trillion dollars and let them go in and tell the natives what to do.

[expat4ever]

If the house sells this summer then I'll be on my way. If I dont like it there's always Cuba.

[Horn]

If the house sells this summer then I'll be on my way. If I dont like it there's always Cuba.

Quite the contrast there, expat...

[singular_me]

I would for sure not go to Honolulu...

but there are many people growing food just like my neighbor which gets most of world issues, she goes to kauai though.

[expat4ever]

Quite the contrast there, expat...Other than language issues there isnt to much difference, not in my lifestyle anyway. Of course there arent any volvanoes in Cuba that I am aware of anyway.

[Horn]

I've never been to Cuba, but I picture it in my head much like Nicaragua though.

Public opinion of outsiders can turn on a dime in either, you gotta be well insulated and away from the general populace. or have a real good support network there first of friends and acquaintances.

[Cebu_4_2]

I've never been to Cuba, but I picture it in my head much like Nicaragua though.

Public opinion of outsiders can turn on a dime in either, you gotta be well insulated and away from the general populace. or have a real good support network there first of friends and acquaintances.

Or hired goons for a dollar a day.

[singular_me]

intervention has always been a failure... but too often (90% of the time) it was meant to fail


I think whites should leave. And take their skills, technology, money and wits with them. Then we should sell Hawaii to the Chinese for 4 trillion dollars and let them go in and tell the natives what to do.

[palani]

Hawaii? No remedy there.

I worked with a guy for 15 years who always wanted to move to Hawaii. He was a scuba diver and went there on vacation every year. Finally he moved there to open up a yogurt shop (this would be the late '80s). I googled his name (a less than common one) and found his obit from 2003 in Hawaii, no cause of death. While he did have 15 years living in paradise he was only 58 years old when he passed.

There should be a lesson here.

[Horn]

There should be a lesson here.

Yogurt doesn't make you live as long as promised?

[singular_me]

somebody moving in an area where he knows he will be dealing with natives directly should first analyze the culture

I wouldnt mind going back to sri lanka if I could get a 1 year visa i will always remember my guide (while there) who invited me to meet with his shaman (jungle doctor as he called him) deep in the jungle. Luckily there was a dirt road and we arrived there by foot after a 30mins walk. The shaman offered us tea in dirty cups... and also told me that I was welcome in his hut whenever I wanted

[expat4ever]

Steve Jobs was a billionaire and lived in Ca. Died at age 56. Whats the lesson your implying?
There's danger everywhere. Cuba is probably one of the safer countries to live in but there are risks with that as well. Plus the internet sucks and you guys would miss me. :). For the most part its a pretty quiet place. especially in the campo.
If your an asshole you'll find problems anywhere. If your going to go someplace to exploit the people it will come back on you. Go someplace and be a part of a community and you will all work together to make life enjoyable.
Hawaii? No remedy there.

I worked with a guy for 15 years who always wanted to move to Hawaii. He was a scuba diver and went there on vacation every year. Finally he moved there to open up a yogurt shop (this would be the late '80s). I googled his name (a less than common one) and found his obit from 2003 in Hawaii, no cause of death. While he did have 15 years living in paradise he was only 58 years old when he passed.

There should be a lesson here.

[Heisenberg]

somebody moving in an area where he knows he will be dealing with natives directly should first analyze the culture

dexcept everybody and their uncle from the third world that thinks we should analyze (worship) their "culture" here in America

[palani]

Whats the lesson your implying?

It's possible that nobody reading his obit in Hawaii would really care one way or another. Just another Haole to compost.

[osoab]

... and also told me that I was welcome in his hut whenever I wanted

I'm sure any lady that was willing to walk 30 minutes to his hut was always welcome...

[singular_me]

good one...


I'm sure any lady that was willing to walk 30 minutes to his hut was always welcome...

[singular_me]

I see your point... but I am referring to a voluntary mindset when traveling that I have.


except everybody and their uncle from the third world that thinks we should analyze (worship) their "culture" here in America

[Horn]

Speaking on Volcanoes.. bigun in Chile'


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=juwtnTB1RCU

[Glass]

there's a lot of activity everywhere at the moment.


Recent Earthquakes in Hawaii
While looking at the recent quakes in Nepal and Papua New Guinea, as well as the submerged volcano off of Washington State, it is worth observing that the Big Island here in Hawaii is showing increased geologic activity, with the level of lava inside Kilauea rising to record heights, and along with it, a swarm of quakes inside Kilauea itself, down along Chain of Craters Road, and a new set moving southwest from Kilauea.

A lot of attention has been focused on the fragile nature of the west flank of the Cumbre Vieja volcano on Las Palmas, in which a large slab of mountain has slipped downward indicating a fracture zone inside the mountain itself. It is feared that a major eruption could dislodge that mass of rock and debris and plunge it into the Atlantic, causing a massive tsunami to strike the east coast of North America. More than a few TV shows have focused on this.

Lesser known is that Hawaii has a similar situation on the south flank of the Big Island, in which a fissure has opened up and the land south of it has moved towards the ocean. Admittedly slight, and with little recent movement, it does indicate a weakness.
http://hvo.wr.usgs.gov/seismic/volcweb/earthquakes/

[Spectrism]

What could be wrong with Hawaii? It is volcanic islands in a sea of Fuku-radiated water. When things go bad, an island cluster like that will be cannibal city assuming you are not burned by volcanic emissions or washed away by a tsunami.

Whenever I look at a coastline or a river flood plain, I think of where the water can and will go. Same for fires in grassy or forested areas. Number one rule is stay away from volcanic areas and coastlines. Hawaii is about as bad as it can get. Next, have the ability to bug out if your home can no longer be held. That means the ability to travel with limited resources away from harm. An island limits that option since populated areas will take your boat by force.