The Principle: A couple of interesting reviews

[JohnQPublic]

The Liberal Media’s War on a Film About the Cosmos (http://townhall.com/tipsheet/cortneyobrien/2015/04/24/the-liberal-medias-war-on-a-film-about-the-cosmos-n1989993)Cortney O'Brien (http://townhall.com/tipsheet/cortneyobrien/) | Apr 24, 2015

“The greatest power in the world is to tell the creation story,” said writer and producer Rick Delano. Yet, it is this same story the liberal media is trying to silence. ‘The Principle (http://www.theprinciplemovie.com/),’ Delano’s latest film project, challenges the Copernican principle, the notion that humans are just an insignificant speck in the universe. Interviews with cosmologists, in depth studies and surveys will leave viewers wondering whether we are indeed a unique species. Yet, it seems this is exactly what liberal academics and the mainstream media don’t want.


“There’s no question at all that this film clearly threatens some very powerful people,” Delano told Townhall. “When I made this film, one of the things that became really apparent to me was, when you really look at the history of modern civilization, it really begins with Copernicus. The idea that we’re not the center. It’s such a powerful change in the way we view ourselves. Of course it had tremendous implications in terms of the relative power of the church versus the academy. It is this change that really brings the modern world into existence…If we construct a worldview based on the fact that we are the center of creation, and that the entire reason and existence of this universe is us, you’re going to have a certain kind of civilization that flows from that assumption.”


Some specific ways the media targeted the film was by contacting the cast and other people involved in the production and convincing them they had been tricked.


“First of all, the actual media assault was the result of an attempt to call these guys up out of the clear blue and say, ‘Hey, do you know you just got duped into making a movie with a bunch of crazed geocentrists who made you sound like you believe in geocentrism?’ If you put yourself in the position of these guys getting these calls, it would be highly embarrassing for them.”


Despite the media firestorm, a conservative grassroots effort has been building to get the film to as many theaters as possible.


“That was nothing other than our determination not to allow the film to be buried,” Delano explained. “It’s been an incredible experience. We were able to secure a passionate base of supporters who were willing to go out there and find an audience for us.”


They chose areas where they had the most support and launched a limited release. So far, the film has arrived in ten cities and has been met with a positive reception.


“The overwhelming response we’ve received from people who have actually seen the film is tremendous,” he said. “We have been absolutely vitiated in the mainstream media and it’s clear that’s never going to change. It’s sort of like a culture war. But, so many of the people who have reviewed the film have written amazing reviews of the film. Our entire audience is people who have heard about the film through word of mouth or who have come in contact with it through our Facebook page or website and have gone to see it and told their friends, ‘You’ve got to see this.’”


Facing a ruthless media goliath and a lack of resources isn’t stopping ‘The Principle’ team from trying to expand its audience.


“We don’t have the money, we don’t have the connections, we don’t have the media support to expect this thing to go to wide theatrical release, but let’s go as far as we can.”


‘The Principle’ DVD is set to come out midsummer. You can find more information on the film here (http://townhall.com/tipsheet/cortneyobrien/2014/10/23/cosmological-film-the-principle-asks-are-we-significant-n1909100).

[JohnQPublic]

Crossing Enemy Lines (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/betsy-chasse/crossing-enemy-lines_b_7112166.html)
Betsy Chasse (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/betsy-chasse/) Filmmaker, author, speaker


A funny thing happened after I made the BLEEP -- for a while I found dogma. I found righteousness. I found the right road to heaven replete with the perfectly enlightened pair of yoga pants and incense to burn, I was set and for a while I walked that path... all aglow in the pure light of the crystals that surrounded me until I fell into a deep pit of despair, damn that place was dark. Some would call it a loss of faith, for me it was more like the ultimate butt burn.


It was then that I began to wonder, is it possible any of us holds the bag of truth? Is it possible that anyone here in this crazy reality has any of the answers we seek? My rigidity began to soften as I looked into the faces of those I used to mock for being asleep and realized they were searching just like me and while they searched all they wanted was a safe place to sleep, some food and maybe a laugh or two along the way. I looked deeply into my heart and I saw that what I truly loved was the stories we told and that in each story there was a small bit, a tiny grain of similarity. We were all seeking and all of us wanted to be safe while we dug and prodded and questioned everything we saw, and heard and tasted and you know what all those senses we have do. I found my calling to be a story teller and in the modern sense for me that was being a writer and a filmmaker, the lens and the pen my tools for looking deep into the crevices of the human experience. For a while I played it safe by hanging with my so-called new age tribe, focusing only on people and topics that agreed overtly with my new-found "spirituality".


And then I met a guy named Ben Fama Jr. who made a film called A Virus Called Fear and at first I thought I had found a patriot of the truth (at least my truth). Until I realized that he was an atheist and a skeptic and pretty much despised like with the white-hot intensity of a thousand suns despised everything I held dear. Oops...he wasn't my tribe, now what. Well I could either turn around and run like hell back to the safety of my meditation cushion, or, I could do something crazy and cross enemy lines and get to know this enigma, this anti everything being who pushes every button I have so carefully cultivated on my "spiritual path" and so I did...and guess what...what I found is someone just like me, a seeker at heart, a wanderer of this reality looking for any shred of truth we could find. And although we walked on different roads, we asked different questions and maybe sometimes used different lenses at our heart we desired nothing more than to share this quest for answers through film. And with this I found my tribe.


I began to explore others who's love of story telling took them deep into the places forbidden by the faithful, those who asked the questions most wouldn't dare and I found courageous, insightful, intelligent and most importantly loving people who only want to shed some light, share our human experience, ways to make it brighter, happier, ways to change and to expand our world view.


I began working with another filmmaker who made The Principle Movie, a film that questions everything we think we know about our universe...talk about ballsy, a film that (Like BLEEP) that looks at science and spirituality and wonders could they finally get on the same page? It was brave to make this film, the press has not been kind (brutal actually) and as usual their brutality had nothing to do with the actual film, it was aimed directly at the people who made the film. A group of individuals from multiple sides of the fence, some outright religious, some from the new age/new thought world and a few who probably didn't really care either way. A group, that for all intensive purposes should not be playing in the same sand box, and yet they did because they new at their core they had one thing in common a desire to ask questions, a willingness to listen to as many perspectives as possible and the bravery to put them all together in one film.


"I chose to direct The Principle because Rick DeLano came to me and was passionate about the subject of "what is our place in the cosmos?" We chose the route of doing
more radical cosmology questions because we believed that there needed to be more questions asked about recent discoveries that had not hit the mainstream yet," says Ktee Thomas, director of The Principle Movie.


"Filmmaking is not one sided. Filmmaking is starting a conversation. That's really what it is. We always want to start conversations with a film. I do not believe you should answer all the questions in a film. I think you should walk away from a film with questions and be able to sit down and discuss with people, that you never would have thought would come and watch your film. People from all different walks of life." This is from Ktee, but any filmmaker could have said it -- it's our mantra.
Ktee and I went to Sedona to screen The Principle Movie, the mecca of all things New Age and found, oddly enough, time to sit down to dinner with the skeptic and atheist Ben Fama Jr. who happens to live in Sedona (how's that for crossing enemy lines!). There we are -- 3 filmmakers who each made an impactful film exploring multiple ideas, to say that our table was loud is an understatement. We were passionate about many things, but the most important was that we needed to support each other and our films.
"I may not agree with your film, I can sit here and argue most of the science and you know what, I am so grateful I can, this is what films should do, bring people together to explore each others ideas, and when I support your film, I support my own and vice versa," says Ben Fama Jr.


Each of us has found as we screen our films that there is a strong hunger for films that allow an audience to have an opinion, to be presented with ideas without having to have it all wrapped up in a nice bow for them, to leave them room for coffee and a healthy, lively (and hopefully respectful) debate.
This is what the world needs more of. Everyday people willing to walk across the road, sit down with their "enemy" and talk and listen and see for themselves, we're all really the same at heart, just humans, trying to survive while we explore this crazy reality.

[aeondaze]

You know JQP, I just have one question that intrigues me in relation to this concept.

How can we be the center of the universe, when we're not even the center of our galaxy or for that matter our solar system?

http://qph.is.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-2c4bda9942b655aaca6ca31716877f29?convert_to_webp=t rue

http://www.domgannon.com/images/jpg/mw_sun_position.jpg

http://ecology.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/earthat-a-glance1.jpg

[JohnQPublic]

You know JQP, I just have one question that intrigues me in relation to this concept.

How can we be the center of the universe, when we're not even the center of our galaxy or for that matter our solar system?

http://qph.is.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-2c4bda9942b655aaca6ca31716877f29?convert_to_webp=t rue

http://www.domgannon.com/images/jpg/mw_sun_position.jpg

http://ecology.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/earthat-a-glance1.jpg

We appear to be at or near the center of the universe. The Milky Way is very small compared to the universe. No one has really said we are at the very exact geometrical center of the universe.

[EE_]

You know JQP, I just have one question that intrigues me in relation to this concept.

How can we be the center of the universe, when we're not even the center of our galaxy or for that matter our solar system?

http://qph.is.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-2c4bda9942b655aaca6ca31716877f29?convert_to_webp=t rue

http://www.domgannon.com/images/jpg/mw_sun_position.jpg

http://ecology.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/earthat-a-glance1.jpg

Maybe you didn't zoom out far enough to see it?
Zoom out far enough until you see our galaxy/solar system as the size of an atom...then tell us where we're at in the universe.

[singular_me]

that the Universe is fractal is fact today, so every cell (planet/galaxy) within it can be proven as the center of it. The theory in the Principle is just another way to acknowledge this... all the rivers lead to the ocean. I'd attend a screening in my area for sure

PS:
sacred geometry comes to the same conclusion (Fractal Universe), repeated mathematical patterns ad Infinitum

many links out there...

[aeondaze]

We appear to be at or near the center of the universe. The Milky Way is very small compared to the universe. No one has really said we are at the very exact geometrical center of the universe.
.
Then what are talking in relation to? It kind of seems superfluous to me anyway. :rolleyes:


Maybe you didn't zoom out far enough to see it? Zoom out far enough until you see our galaxy/solar system as the size of an atom...then tell us where we're at in the universe.

Do you have that kind of perspective to show me, you know a pic you can post that enlightens the subject a little?

[aeondaze]

the Universe is fractal above all, so every cell (planet/galaxy) within it can be proven as the center of it. The theory in the Principle is just another way to acknowledge this... all the rivers lead to the ocean.
PS:
sacred geometry comes to the same conclusion (Fractal Universe), endless repeated mathematical patterns

Please, we're having a sensible discussion, please don't attempt to de-rail it. Your point has been well noted previously, now lets move on...

[osoab]

You know JQP, I just have one question that intrigues me in relation to this concept.

How can we be the center of the universe, when we're not even the center of our galaxy or for that matter our solar system?

http://qph.is.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-2c4bda9942b655aaca6ca31716877f29?convert_to_webp=t rue

http://www.domgannon.com/images/jpg/mw_sun_position.jpg

http://ecology.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/earthat-a-glance1.jpg


Aren't those "artist impressions"?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cQt9vq3sdtQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cQt9vq3sdtQ

[aeondaze]

Aren't those "artist impressions"?

Dunno, are they?

My point is, it doesn't change much, I just don't get what all the fuss is about even if it were the case.

The physical laws we observe on Earth haven't changed one iota. :)

[osoab]

Dunno, are they?

My point is, it doesn't change much, I just don't get what all the fuss is about even if it were the case.



Do we have satellites millions of light years away to take images of the Milky Way at different angles? I don't really know what is or is not changing, when I really don't have a point of reference.


The physical laws we observe on Earth haven't changed one iota. :)

Agree with a caveat. Maybe we haven't been told or don't completely understand what exactly is the driving force of the laws.

[aeondaze]

Do we have satellites millions of light years away to take images of the Milky Way at different angles? I don't really know what is or is not changing, when I really don't have a point of reference.

Agreed, clearly these images aren't photographic. They're a 3D simulation from compiled radio-telemetry images. They're the astronomical equivalent of a 3D photo mosaic which has then chosen a perspective that is counter to where the images were originally taken. For the most part they aren't 'artistic impressions'.


Agree with a caveat. Maybe we haven't been told or don't completely understand what exactly is the driving force of the laws.

It doesn't matter what we're told. We can deduce all of the Newtonian physical laws for ourselves by observation and these haven't changed. :rolleyes:

I still can't understand what relevance this makes even if it were to be true.

[singular_me]

dont derail it... the fractal universe is a theory onto itself and I see it fit here. Think Mandelbrot

meaning that I could agree more with The Principle than I previously thought.


Please, we're having a sensible discussion, please don't attempt to de-rail it. Your point has been well noted previously, now lets move on...

[Spectrism]

Dunno, are they?

My point is, it doesn't change much, I just don't get what all the fuss is about even if it were the case.

The physical laws we observe on Earth haven't changed one iota. :)

The speed of light changed.
Time rate changed.

[osoab]

Agreed, clearly these images aren't photographic. They're a 3D simulation from compiled radio-telemetry images. They're the astronomical equivalent of a 3D photo mosaic which has then chosen a perspective that is counter to where the images were originally taken. For the most part they aren't 'artistic impressions'.

So, if someone collects these "images", compiles them together, adds any rendering in the 3D simulation for effect, and decides which perspective to show how is that not "artistic interpretation". (should have used interpretation to begin with)




It doesn't matter what we're told. We can deduce all of the Newtonian physical laws for ourselves by observation and these haven't changed. :rolleyes:

I still can't understand what relevance this makes even if it were to be true.

I think it is relevant, because we are told how the universe works. However, we really cannot "see" the universe work. What we are shown is someone's "artistic interpretation".

The math can always work out when we are given a stacked set of data.

[aeondaze]

So, if someone collects these "images", compiles them together, adds any rendering in the 3D simulation for effect, and decides which perspective to show how is that not "artistic interpretation". (should have used interpretation to begin with)

I do get your point, but its hardly an impressionistic interpretation either.


I think it is relevant, because we are told how the universe works. However, we really cannot "see" the universe work. What we are shown is someone's "artistic interpretation". The math can always work out when we are given a stacked set of data.

Sure, but you can gather your own data. Its what science undergraduates do every day. They aren't given stacked data to interpret, they purposefully collect their own and when you do that, lo and behold, Newtonian physics remains.

I still don't understand the importance of this even if it were proven to be true. The physical laws we experience are still the same.

[Neuro]

Dunno, are they?

My point is, it doesn't change much, I just don't get what all the fuss is about even if it were the case.

The physical laws we observe on Earth haven't changed one iota. :)
The geocentric view was central dogma to the Catholic Church until
Copernicus and Galileo came and destroyed everything. Some could never get over it... I think central to their hypothesis is that there appears to be a minute difference in background radiation according to earths plane of motion around the sun. I think it is an effect created by Earths/Suns magnetic field... :)

[Horn]

Its the duty of modern science (and its followers) to name capitol forces as constant,

then stamp them with a Mason's G for Gravity, ignoring any other variables within the force itself.

[aeondaze]

The geocentric view was central dogma to the Catholic Church until
Copernicus and Galileo came and destroyed everything. Some could never get over it... I think central to their hypothesis is that there appears to be a minute difference in background radiation according to earths plane of motion around the sun. I think it is an effect created by Earths/Suns magnetic field... :)

Yea I understand Galileo and Copernicus' heresy. And I've heard all the kerfuffle in regards to this infinitesimally small change in the MB. It has been mapped and it is in no way even across the universe, so this is no big surprise.


Its the duty of modern science (and its followers) to name capitol forces as constant,

then stamp them with a Mason's G for Gravity, ignoring any other variables within the force itself.

"G" is not a force, its a gravitational constant dick head. g is the accepted symbol for gravity. They are affectionately known as 'big G' and 'little g'.

Go back to school..:D

[Horn]

They are affectionately known as 'big G' and 'little g'.

As mentioned previously duty is first, then love and affection.

All you need is Love and affection to power your centrist universe.

http://www.universetoday.com/13690/the-pioneer-anomaly-a-deviation-from-einstein-gravity/

[singular_me]

looks like mainstream academics are haunted by question marks



http://www.universetoday.com/13690/the-pioneer-anomaly-a-deviation-from-einstein-gravity/

[Horn]

March 20, 2002, electrical theorist (http://www.holoscience.com/news.php?article=0yfteeje), author (http://www.thunderbolts.info/resources.htm) and speaker Wal Thornhill wrote (http://www.holoscience.com/news/mystery_solved.html):

“After launch, a spacecraft accepts electrons from the surrounding space plasma until the craft’s voltage is sufficient to repel further electrons. Near Earth it is known that a spacecraft may attain a negative potential of several tens of thousands of volts relative to its surroundings. So, in interplanetary space, the spacecraft becomes a charged object moving in the Sun’s weak electric field. Being negatively charged, it will experience an infinitesimal “tug” toward the positively charged Sun. Of most significance is the fact that the voltage gradient, that is the electric field, throughout interplanetary space remains constant. In other words, the retarding force on the spacecraft will not diminish with distance from the Sun. This effect distinguishes the electrical model from all others because all known force laws diminish with distance. The effect is real and it will have a fundamental impact on cosmology and spacecraft navigation because…Pioneer 10 has confirmed the electrical model of Stars!”


http://www.thunderbolts.info/wp/2012/10/16/the-pioneer-anomaly/


Space Charge

http://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2001/ast13nov_1sidebar/

[aeondaze]

looks like mainstream academics are haunted by question marks

Haunted? You really are stupid. Thats the VERY reason they exist!

If it wasn't for question marks they'd be out of a job

[Neuro]

looks like mainstream academics are haunted by question marksThat's the nature of science actually...

[Neuro]

Haunted? You really are stupid. Thats the VERY reason they exist!

If it wasn't for question marks they'd be out of a job
Good evening Aeondaze!

[aeondaze]

Good evening Aeondaze!

Good evening (err morning!) my good man. Sound like you have a spring in your step! :D

[Neuro]

Good evening (err morning!) my good man. Sound like you have a spring in your step! :D
Likewise! ;D

[singular_me]

it was a tongue in cheek, which you both didnt get.... am surprised that you didnt because I stated so many times my fav theories on here already.



Haunted? You really are stupid. Thats the VERY reason they exist!

If it wasn't for question marks they'd be out of a job


That's the nature of science actually...

[aeondaze]

it was a tongue in cheek, which you didnt get.... because you are all about your newtonian theories...

To be frank, I don't think you have the requisite IQ to attempt sarcasm. :rolleyes:

[singular_me]

so where is your debate now, as nobody seems to agree with you in this thread?


To be frank, I don't think you have the requisite IQ to attempt sarcasm. :rolleyes:

[aeondaze]

so where is your debate now, as nobody seems to agree with you in this thread?

Unlike you I don't lack self esteem and therefore don't need everyone to agree with me. From your post I can safely say that you'd never understand that. :o

[singular_me]

you dont even understand my tongue in cheek despite all the threads which you have opposed for months now...


Unlike you I don't lack self esteem and therefore don't need everyone to agree with me. From your post I can safely say that you'd never understand that. :o

[aeondaze]

you dont even understand my tongue in cheek despite all the threads which you have opposed for months now...

You're a case in point, idiots don't really understand sarcasm. :)

[Hitch]

you dont even understand my tongue in cheek despite all the threads which you have opposed for months now...

Pastor Hitch here. I've been ordained. Please allow me to continue...

Those whom God hath joined together, let no one put asunder. I now pronounce singular and aeon man and wife!

Aeon, please kiss your bride.

[singular_me]

as a matter of fact, the natural laws of polar opposites is proven to be correct. LOL



Pastor Hitch here. I've been ordained. Please allow me to continue...

Those whom God hath joined together, let no one put asunder. I now pronounce singular and aeon man and wife!

Aeon, please kiss your bride.

[aeondaze]

Pastor Hitch here. I've been ordained. Please allow me to continue...

Those whom God hath joined together, let no one put asunder. I now pronounce singular and aeon man and wife!

Aeon, please kiss your bride.

Please

http://www.funnypica.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/Funny-Vomit-people-08-140x140.jpg

[Dogman]

Pastor Hitch here. I've been ordained. Please allow me to continue...

Those whom God hath joined together, let no one put asunder. I now pronounce singular and aeon man and wife!

Aeon, please kiss your bride.

Wait, we need to have a double wedding, 7th and ximmy need to be added to the ceremony! ;)

Edit: If the aron and singular match does not work out , then the Neuro/singular match could be tried!

;)

[Neuro]

it was a tongue in cheek, which you both didnt get.... am surprised that you didnt because I stated so many times my fav theories on here already.
Well you are certainly not haunted by question marks, more like plagued with certainty. ;D

[singular_me]

well, I just adhere to theories that address the Prime Cause of everything instead of focusing on the consequences. I didnt find about the Electric Universe negating gravity, nor the Fractal Universe, nor the Holographic Universe... did I?

einstein is out... who will be next, newton?

so what you are saying is makes no sense... I am just honoring the real out of the box scientists that really challenge the "establishment"

what is wrong with that? It is my prerogative to follow them... new theories have always met a lot of resistance, history is there to prove it. I am just very open to them... and spreading the word as information must circulate for people to make up their minds.

You dont look into those theories... the real issue here is that you prefer to stick to mainstream takes. Not me. And it is your prerogative. Thats okay with me.

and yes The Principle could be another way to look at the same Cause... and the Prime Cause will forever remain a question mark as it is a Life Force that nobody can explain, otherwise by calling it God.

Thus the most important question mark is here to stay, and I am fine with it. That is the only one that keeps us going in the end. And this is a absolute certainty ;D



Well you are certainly not haunted by question marks, more like plagued with certainty. ;D

[Neuro]

well, I just adhere to theories that address the Prime Cause of everything instead of focusing on the consequences. I didnt find about the Electric Universe negating gravity, nor the Fractal Universe, nor the Holographic Universe... did I?

einstein is out... who will be next, newton?

so what you are saying is makes no sense... I am just honoring the real out of the box scientists that really challenge the "establishment"

what is wrong with that? It is my prerogative to follow them... new theories have always met a lot of resistance, history is there to prove it. I am just very open to them... and spreading the word as information must circulate for people to make up their minds.

You dont look into those theories... the real issue here is that you prefer to stick to mainstream takes. Not me. And it is your prerogative. Thats okay with me.

and yes The Principle could be another way to look at the same Cause... and the Prime Cause will forever remain a question mark as it is a Life Force that nobody can explain, otherwise by calling it God.

Thus the most important question mark is here to stay, and I am fine with it. That is the only one that keeps us going in the end. And this is a absolute certainty ;D
You'ld really honor those scientists if you'ld be able to seriously question their theories, but I realize that would be too much to ask from you... ;D Anyhow I think electric universe theories have a lot going for them, but throwing out Newton? I don't think so... There can be several mechanisms holding universe together... Doesn't need to boil it down to a single one!

[aeondaze]

You'ld really honor those scientists if you'ld be able to seriously question their theories, but I realize that would be too much to ask from you... ;D Anyhow I think electric universe theories have a lot going for them, but throwing out Newton? I don't think so... There can be several mechanisms holding universe together... Doesn't need to boil it down to a single one!

+1000

You mention 'our' ideology as a 'preference', like its some kind of a whim or fancy, and I get that thats how you arrive at your ideologies. But that is not the case for myself and I think Neuro in this regard, we arrive at our conclusions through solid evidence and logical conclusions.

If everyone followed your loose criteria for accepting something as a theory the world would be a very confused place, so lets all be thankful for that!, lol

Most of what you regard as a 'theory' is nothing of the sort.

[Horn]

Pastor Hitch here. I've been ordained. Please allow me to continue...

Those whom God hath joined together, let no one put asunder. I now pronounce singular and aeon man and wife!

Aeon, please kiss your bride.

Some relationships cannot be explained by neither science nor religion, pastor hitch.

These I regard as pandora's box relationships' and better left unopened. You can only study the box they're in.

[singular_me]

gravity is a consequence of Plasma... Plasma is the Prime Cause.

eventually newton will be abandoned... as obsolete.


You'ld really honor those scientists if you'ld be able to seriously question their theories, but I realize that would be too much to ask from you... ;D Anyhow I think electric universe theories have a lot going for them, but throwing out Newton? I don't think so... There can be several mechanisms holding universe together... Doesn't need to boil it down to a single one!

[Neuro]

gravity is a consequence of Plasma... Plasma is the Prime Cause.

eventually newton will be abandoned... as obsolete.
Silly! Gravity is a consequence of mass, many many experiments have confirmed this!

[Dogman]

Silly! Gravity is a consequence of mass, many many experiments have confirmed this!

Never let silly things like facts get in the way of believes !

:)

[singular_me]

newton's gravity vs plasma universe theory...

many experiments confirm too the electric/plasma theory, there are countless professional utube videos and articles out there..

so wait and see, in 5-10 years from now, the winner will be known



Silly! Gravity is a consequence of mass, many many experiments have confirmed this!

[Neuro]

newton's gravity vs plasma universe theory...

many experiments confirm too the electric/plasma theory
Yes, but none of them confirm that plasma is the cause of gravity, silly!

[Horn]

I am expecting and have been waiting you all to drift into causality,


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iR3fSL9WMdg

[singular_me]

when I think of sciences "central banking" comes to mind.. in every field "they" spend most of their time observing phenomenons addressing the consequences. That is why we cannot get rid of the central banking mindset, because the Prime Cause (intrinsic value) is rejected/taught as irrelevant.



I am expecting and have been waiting you all to drift into causality,


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iR3fSL9WMdg

[midnight rambler]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1sONfxPCTU0