Lake Mead breaks record!

[EE_]

LAKE MEAD HAS DROPPED TO ITS LOWEST LEVEL EVER
LESS WATER, LESS ELECTRICITY
By Mary Beth Griggs Posted April 28, 2015

http://www.popsci.com/sites/popsci.com/files/2828724211_3991a9c323_o.jpg
Lake Mead
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California isn't the only one having a water crisis. Yesterday, Lake Mead sank to its lowest level yet. The watery behemoth created by the construction of the Hoover Dam in the 1930s was reduced to a mere 1,080.07 feet above sea level, minimally smaller than the previous record of 1,080.19 set last August.
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The difference of 1.44 inches might seem small, but it has a lot of people worried. With an incredibly dry summer anticipated out west, experts fear that the lake could sink to a water level of 1,073 feet. For comparison, the highest water level in the lake was 1225.85 feet, recorded back in 1983.

Millions of people in the region rely on Lake Mead for water and electricity generated at Hoover Dam. Unfortunately, as water levels fall, it gets more difficult for the dam's turbines to produce electricity. Engineers at the dam are installing turbines that could extend the ability of the dam to produce power, even if the water levels fall to 950 feet, but that's a worst case scenario.

To address the decreasing water supply to communities in the region, engineers are also working on a much deeper intake point, the Third Straw, ensuring that a thirsty Las Vegas will be able to suck water from the bottom of the lake even as the surface level falls.

Read our feature on how the fortunes of Las Vegas will rise and fall with Lake Mead from our 2014 Water Issue.
http://www.popsci.com/lake-mead-just-hit-its-lowest-level-yet

[Ares]

It's been a pretty wet year here in the Carolinas. I give Nevada and California a minimum of 5 with these conditions before we start seeing a max exodus.

[EE_]

It's been a pretty wet year here in the Carolinas. I give Nevada and California a minimum of 5 with these conditions before we start seeing a max exodus.

There may be a quiet exodus going on right now? Where will they go?
No one wants to be the last one out. They're the biggest losers.

[madfranks]

There may be a quiet exodus going on right now? Where will they go?
No one wants to be the last one out. They're the biggest losers.

They're all coming to Colorado. Housing values here are up almost 10% in the last year.

Colorado home prices rising at fastest rate in country (http://www.denverpost.com/business/ci_27867166/colorado-home-prices-rising-at-fastest-rate-country)

[Dogman]

And Texas, Dammit !

Already have more than enough Yankees and wetbacks moving here!


They're all coming to Colorado. Housing values here are up almost 10% in the last year.

Colorado home prices rising at fastest rate in country (http://www.denverpost.com/business/ci_27867166/colorado-home-prices-rising-at-fastest-rate-country)

Your increase could also be linked to the weed laws, what more than one want, great views and great smoke!

[BrewTech]

There may be a quiet exodus going on right now? Where will they go?
No one wants to be the last one out. They're the biggest losers.

The eyes of most people here glaze over when you point out the impending reality of massive drought. They are still in denial, under the belief that "someone" will magically fix the problem before they ever have to worry about it. The idea of being "the last one out" hasn't even registered on their radar yet; at least that's been my experience so far.

[Horn]

Good news there is a snow pack in Colorado now, and the omnipresent high pressure that was positioned over S. california has evacuated.

Its sitting in the crosshairs for streamers from the pacific's equator, concerned when it does rain (and it will) the entire state will be washed offshore.

[Ponce]

I know that we are getting "water refugees" from CA here in OR.......we will have a very dry summer and I know that there will be a water war...the main users will be the marijuana growers.

V

[Ponce]

I know that we are getting "water refugees" from CA here in OR.......we will have a very dry summer and I know that there will be a water war...the main users will be the marijuana growers.

V

[Neuro]

I know that we are getting "water refugees" from CA here in OR.......we will have a very dry summer and I know that there will be a water war...the main users will be the marijuana growers.

V
I thought Marijuana or hemp was very water efficient crops... ;)

[EE_]

The eyes of most people here glaze over when you point out the impending reality of massive drought. They are still in denial, under the belief that "someone" will magically fix the problem before they ever have to worry about it. The idea of being "the last one out" hasn't even registered on their radar yet; at least that's been my experience so far.

You're probably closest to reality. People never really care about anything until it affects them directly. So, as long as water comes out of the faucet, all is well!

[madfranks]

I know that we are getting "water refugees" from CA here in OR.......we will have a very dry summer and I know that there will be a water war...the main users will be the marijuana growers.

V

It won't be marijuana growers, but the agricultural growers. Weed doesn't need much water at all.

[Neuro]

It won't be marijuana growers, but the agricultural growers. Weed doesn't need much water at all.
A friend of mine who told me he grew two plants in a mini grow house, had to go away for three weeks during midsummer period, he knew about the trip beforehand, so he had planted the plants directly in the soil instead of keeping them in pots, he gave the plants a good shower before going, and three weeks later he came back. He said the plants looked and smelled fantastic, despite not getting any water, and it was really hot in the greenhouse. He said he got a good high from these plants, apparently it was some special seeds a friend had given him from Amsterdam, which had been feminized.

Thats what he told me!

[Horn]

A friend of mine who told me he grew two plants in a mini grow house, had to go away for three weeks during midsummer period,

Thats what he told me!

Guy I know on the internet has a vineyard in Turkey, then travels back to Sweden on trips like that.

[milehi]

There may be a quiet exodus going on right now? Where will they go?
No one wants to be the last one out. They're the biggest losers.

I've sold my house and some cars. I'm winding down my business then moving to Idaho.

[expat4ever]

I know a farmer out there who pumps 2500 gallons an hr to gro =w alfalfa. Says he has rights going way back and after Ca screwed the farmers in 76 or so they got all the rights back then some. Something like that. He also says the water table is very high where he is so apparently its not affecting everyone or everything yet.

[Neuro]

Guy I know on the internet has a vineyard in Turkey, then travels back to Sweden on trips like that.
What are the odds? That sounds like me almost!

[Hitch]

There may be a quiet exodus going on right now? Where will they go?
No one wants to be the last one out. They're the biggest losers.

The economy is booming here in CA, at least in the SF Bay Area, home prices are high, stock market is up, plenty of jobs, etc. People won't leave unless, like you said, the water stops coming out of the taps. If that happens, there will be a mass of "biggest losers." Think epic collapse, looting, rioting, etc.

Me, I'm staying. I'm living where I want to live and finally found a small town that feels like home. If it comes to a point of survival, I will untie and sail south. Costa Rica sounds nice.

[Shami-Amourae]

The economy is booming here in CA, at least in the SF Bay Area, home prices are high, stock market is up, plenty of jobs, etc. People won't leave unless, like you said, the water stops coming out of the taps. If that happens, there will be a mass of "biggest losers." Think epic collapse, looting, rioting, etc.

Me, I'm staying. I'm living where I want to live and finally found a small town that feels like home. If it comes to a point of survival, I will untie and sail south. Costa Rica sounds nice.

That's good. I hope people stay.

[BrewTech]

I've sold my house and some cars. I'm winding down my business then moving to Idaho.

I'm probably right behind you.

[Hitch]

That's good. I hope people stay.

Well, based upon this thread, you'll be getting the good ones such as Brewtech and Milehi.

I'll be stuck dealing with turds here, unfortunately. Costa Rica is sounding better and better.

[Shami-Amourae]

I've sold my house and some cars. I'm winding down my business then moving to Idaho.

Which part?

Here's the basic rundown on Idaho:
http://s14.postimg.org/ww4rc5ju9/Idaho1.jpg
http://s12.postimg.org/68gsl9nil/Idaho2.jpg
http://s22.postimg.org/8slc40b01/Idaho3.jpg


I do think the Magic Valley is the best location in Idaho and the world based on three years of research I did. I love it here. We have mild winters. There is snow here and there in Winter, but it melts after a day or two, and if it doesn't the roads are clear by then. The weather is perfect in Spring and Fall with a temperature around 60-70s. Summers are usually mild too. The Magic Valley is a food mecca since of all of the farms and food production companies are here. We have a ton of Mormons (25%) and a lot of preppers/preparedness. A lot of the real estate here is literally made for preppers in mind so they have larger panties than normal. My landlord explained this to me when I first moved here since they are designed for the Mormon standard of 2 years food storage per family unit. There's a freeze dried company in Twin and the owner goes on Jeff Rense's show sometimes (http://k003.kiwi6.com/hotlink/95jw9y2vsa/Rense.20150416.3of3.mp3). The economy seems good here overall but there are handful of payday loan places here and there (some obvious White poverty.) If you consider the Magic Valley consider a smaller town outside of Twin, (Buhl, Shoshone, Jerome, Kimberly, Hagerman, and so on.) Twin is the hub with all the shopping but its growing too fast so I'd recommend going to a smaller town. Everything is much cheaper in the Magic Valley. Real estate is still cheap but steadily increasing with the growth in population (supply and demand.) Electricity is super cheap since of hydroelectric from the Snake River dam system (it's 1/4th the cost of Southern California I think.)

Idaho Falls/Pocatello is similar to the Magic Valley, but much colder from what I know. You do have to deal with Amerindians since there's a reservation near that, and Amerindians are scumbags you want to avoid.

One problem with Idaho is there aren't many places that sell organic food but there -are- places here (I can share that privately.) Boise you wont have trouble finding that since its a city.

Boise would be better explained by Jewboo but I'm not sure here's around right now. It's a small metro city and the only semi-real airport in the state. Most flights come in from Salt Lake City and are then directed to Boise. I'd avoid Boise since it's a metro area. It has Jews. 'Nuff said.

The Sun Valley has decent access to organic but that's since its a very wealthy area (basically like Aspen, but no one knows about it since it wasn't in a famous movie.) The Sun Valley is a playground of the rich and if you have the money its a nice place to live, but watch out for the wildfires.

Northern Idaho is very nice and has a ton of organized militias. Probably the best trained and organized Constitutional militias in the world. It gets a lot more water and snowfall in the North and its all forest. The prices to live there are expensive. Coeur D'alene is nice but it does border Spokane, Washington which has some -vibrant- diversity bleeding out. Sandpoint is extremely nice, but very expensive.

Lewiston/Moscow is a physically nice looking area, but it's downwind of a nuclear plant in Washington. There's also a higher concentration of Leftists out there.

[BrewTech]

Which part?

I can't speak for milehi, but I figure I will be moving to the beeriest part out of necessity.

[Hitch]

Which part?

Here's the basic rundown on Idaho

Man, it sounds nice up there. I'd like to go up and check out the fly fishing on some of those rivers. I don't suppose there's any jobs for boat captains up there.

I might get a job on offshore tugs, which I would be on the boat for 45 days, but then have 45 days off. I could live anywhere doing that. Pays pretty good too.

[Shami-Amourae]

Man, it sounds nice up there. I'd like to go up and check out the fly fishing on some of those rivers. I don't suppose there's any jobs for boat captains up there.

I might get a job on offshore tugs, which I would be on the boat for 45 days, but then have 45 days off. I could live anywhere doing that. Pays pretty good too.

I have a neighbor who is in his 80s and goes all the time with his friends. He's obsessed with it. Hagerman has the worlds largest fish hatchery (I think.)

There's also the giant sturgeons:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L_Oyql-TCE4

I think like 70-80% of trout come from the Hagerman, Idaho hatchery. It's pretty big:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u-CxQqgaQNM

[Shami-Amourae]

I can't speak for milehi, but I figure I will be moving to the beeriest part out of necessity.

I wouldn't know since I don't drink. You'd probably want to go to an area without many Mormons. That would be my guess. Boise maybe?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jNxY3YjFU6U


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SMRVPzpIDg4

Here's some listings for the state:
http://www.visitidaho.org/breweries/

I don't see any listed in the Magic Valley. That's surprising.

[Hitch]

I have a neighbor who is in his 80s and goes all the time with his friends. He's obsessed with it. Hagerman has the worlds largest fish hatchery (I think.)

There's also the giant sturgeons:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L_Oyql-TCE4

That sturgeon is well over 100 years old, a lot older than us.

What is the women situation like up there ? Any single gals? I wonder if one of us should marry Ximmy and take her up there.

[Shami-Amourae]

That sturgeon is well over 100 years old, a lot older than us.

What is the women situation like up there ? Any single gals? I wonder if one of us should marry Ximmy and take her up there.

Can't comment since I generally avoid relationships (and people.)

There are a lot of hot, young White women though. More of the Western flare than the beach girl type. A lot of farm and cowgirls. I actually find that hot myself.

From a local rodeo in Shoshone:
https://www.facebook.com/LincolnCountyFairRodeo

https://scontent-sea.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/s720x720/11136692_807870585974830_6848655284830323354_n.jpg ?oh=23cf1d660422f734c74da39e1c63072e&oe=55E35241

I went shooting with her before:
https://a4-images.myspacecdn.com/images03/18/200cc5499ac047a7b65d16f0fc1e4bd9/600x600.jpg

[Hitch]

Can't comment since I generally avoid relationships (and people.)

There are a lot of hot, young White women though. More of the Western flare than the beach girl type. A lot of farm and cowgirls. I actually find that hot myself.

I find that hot as well, but like you I'm happy without the drama of relationships.

I'd like to check it out up there. I'm thinking road trip in the fall perhaps to explore.

[milehi]

Which part?

Here's the basic rundown on Idaho:
http://s14.postimg.org/ww4rc5ju9/Idaho1.jpg
http://s12.postimg.org/68gsl9nil/Idaho2.jpg
http://s22.postimg.org/8slc40b01/Idaho3.jpg


I do think the Magic Valley is the best location in Idaho and the world based on three years of research I did. I love it here. We have mild winters. There is snow here and there in Winter, but it melts after a day or two, and if it doesn't the roads are clear by then. The weather is perfect in Spring and Fall with a temperature around 60-70s. Summers are usually mild too. The Magic Valley is a food mecca since of all of the farms and food production companies are here. We have a ton of Mormons (25%) and a lot of preppers/preparedness. A lot of the real estate here is literally made for preppers in mind so they have larger panties than normal. My landlord explained this to me when I first moved here since they are designed for the Mormon standard of 2 years food storage per family unit. There's a freeze dried company in Twin and the owner goes on Jeff Rense's show sometimes (http://k003.kiwi6.com/hotlink/95jw9y2vsa/Rense.20150416.3of3.mp3). The economy seems good here overall but there are handful of payday loan places here and there (some obvious White poverty.) If you consider the Magic Valley consider a smaller town outside of Twin, (Buhl, Shoshone, Jerome, Kimberly, Hagerman, and so on.) Twin is the hub with all the shopping but its growing too fast so I'd recommend going to a smaller town. Everything is much cheaper in the Magic Valley. Real estate is still cheap but steadily increasing with the growth in population (supply and demand.) Electricity is super cheap since of hydroelectric from the Snake River dam system (it's 1/4th the cost of Southern California I think.)

Idaho Falls/Pocatello is similar to the Magic Valley, but much colder from what I know. You do have to deal with Amerindians since there's a reservation near that, and Amerindians are scumbags you want to avoid.

One problem with Idaho is there aren't many places that sell organic food but there -are- places here (I can share that privately.) Boise you wont have trouble finding that since its a city.

Boise would be better explained by Jewboo but I'm not sure here's around right now. It's a small metro city and the only semi-real airport in the state. Most flights come in from Salt Lake City and are then directed to Boise. I'd avoid Boise since it's a metro area. It has Jews. 'Nuff said.

The Sun Valley has decent access to organic but that's since its a very wealthy area (basically like Aspen, but no one knows about it since it wasn't in a famous movie.) The Sun Valley is a playground of the rich and if you have the money its a nice place to live, but watch out for the wildfires.

Northern Idaho is very nice and has a ton of organized militias. Probably the best trained and organized Constitutional militias in the world. It gets a lot more water and snowfall in the North and its all forest. The prices to live there are expensive. Coeur D'alene is nice but it does border Spokane, Washington which has some -vibrant- diversity bleeding out. Sandpoint is extremely nice, but very expensive.

Lewiston/Moscow is a physically nice looking area, but it's downwind of a nuclear plant in Washington. There's also a higher concentration of Leftists out there.

McCall

[Shami-Amourae]

I find that hot as well, but like you I'm happy without the drama of relationships.

I'd like to check it out up there. I'm thinking road trip in the fall perhaps to explore.

Come before mid-October. The Farmers Market is open from early May to late October, which is considered the warm growing season. There's a ton of people from out of town in October since of hunting season and to beat the snow. Look at all the RVs parked in grocery store parking lots during this month.

[Shami-Amourae]

McCall

Make sure you can source some organic food somehow. That's a way out there.

Here's your GMO grocery selection:
http://pauls.net/weeklyAd

Actually there may be some organic foods:
http://www.yelp.com/biz/huckleberry-garden-mccall?osq=grocery+stores
http://www.huckgarden.com/
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Huckleberry-Garden-Health-Food-Store/196507377043267


That's the problem with remote small towns. If you don't mind that, and you don't mind crappy Internet service (they typically won't have Cable,) then go for it.

Did some more snooping. You may be onto something. There's definitely a network of Organic and Alt-Health stuff going on up there. Looks pretty good.
https://www.facebook.com/events/1421837051431194/
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Holistic-Health-Healing/277983428924660?ref=stream

[milehi]

I gotta have my outdoor recreation. All work and no play... My wife (I went and got married) is a master grower so veggies are covered.

[BrewTech]

I find that hot as well, but like you I'm happy without the drama of relationships.

I'd like to check it out up there. I'm thinking road trip in the fall perhaps to explore.

If you do that let me know. Seriously. I think at least going and checking it out is something I REALLY need to do.

[Horn]

Q. How do you know the toothbrush was invented in Idaho?

If it was invented anywhere else, it would have been called a teethbrush.

source: http://www.jokes4us.com/miscellaneousjokes/worldjokes/idahojokes.html

[BrewTech]

source: http://www.jokes4us.com/miscellaneousjokes/worldjokes/idahojokes.html

I noticed this ^ site's "ethnic" joke section didn't include any jokes involving blacks, mexicans, or jews, but "rednecks", french and irish are fair game.

On a more relevant note, I just came across Sierra Nevada's latest Harvest series beer. It's a single hop IPA. The hop variety? An experimental called "Idaho 7".

Coincidence?

[Hitch]

If you do that let me know. Seriously. I think at least going and checking it out is something I REALLY need to do.

I promise I will let you know if/when I could make this trip. It would be a fun road trip. Work might not let me take it, but I would like to.

[Horn]

May Snowfall Record Broken: 40 cm (16″) of Fresh Snow ! (Southern Colorado, May 9-10, 2015) (https://allegedlyapparent.wordpress.com/2015/05/10/may-snowfall-record-broken-40-cm-16-of-fresh-snow-southern-colorado-may-9-10-2015/)



Almost a half meter of snow in May? 10 May 2015 – Snow Records broken on the slopes of the Sangre de Cristo mountain range in Southern Colorado.

Record for May 9 and 10, 2015, also for the month of May:
16 inches (40 cm) of snow overnight!

Almost a half meter of snow in May? Here on the slopes of the Sangre de Cristo Mountains in the Crestone/Baca area of Southern Colorado, at around 8200 feet altitude, over 16 inches fell, or a whopping at least 40 centimeters of fresh snow fell overnight.

“(Weather statement updated at 220 AM MDT on May 10, 2015)Three weather records were broken at the Crestone/Baca weather station on Saturday, May 9. First, a record snowfall occurred, with 15.9 inches falling, not only breaking the record snowfall for the date (which was 3.0 inches, set in 2013), but this amount also breaks the all time record (for now) for the entire month of May, which was 15.0 inches, set in 2001. But of the time of this report, another 1.8 inches has fallen past midnight (standard time – which all weather data is based on) on Sunday, May 10, with light snow still falling. The record snowfall for May 10, was only a trace, so a record snowfall for this date has already been broken too, with another round of snow showers possible later this afternoon.

Just north of Colorado: almost all of Wyoming is covered in snow:


https://allegedlyapparent.files.wordpress.com/2015/05/ims2015129_usa.gif?w=640

https://allegedlyapparent.wordpress.com/2015/05/10/may-snowfall-record-broken-40-cm-16-of-fresh-snow-southern-colorado-may-9-10-2015/

[madfranks]

May Snowfall Record Broken: 40 cm (16″) of Fresh Snow ! (Southern Colorado, May 9-10, 2015) (https://allegedlyapparent.wordpress.com/2015/05/10/may-snowfall-record-broken-40-cm-16-of-fresh-snow-southern-colorado-may-9-10-2015/)



https://allegedlyapparent.wordpress.com/2015/05/10/may-snowfall-record-broken-40-cm-16-of-fresh-snow-southern-colorado-may-9-10-2015/

Yeah, we had a freak snowstorm here over the weekend. I was working in my office, watching the rain outside turn to snow Saturday evening. So much snow that broke dozens of tree branches around the neighborhood. But on Sunday the sun came out and melted most of it. Now the big worry is flooding.

[Horn]

Mountain Town News: Swollen Colorado rivers run wild and dangerous

http://www.summitdaily.com/csp/mediapool/sites/dt.common.streams.StreamServer.cls?STREAMOID=DgpGE YnjWGQt9oyjOrQ77M$daE2N3K4ZzOUsqbU5sYtG5NRBN9C_edP AXq0wy3evWCsjLu883Ygn4B49Lvm9bPe2QeMKQdVeZmXF$9l$4 uCZ8QDXhaHEp3rvzXRJFdy0KqPHLoMevcTLo3h8xh70Y6N_U_C ryOsw6FTOdKL_jpQ-&CONTENTTYPE=image/jpeg



RED CLIFF, Colo. – It was called the May miracle in Colorado. After a ho-hum winter, it looked certain that the creeks and rivers would deliver a runoff that walked, not ran, that murmured instead of shouted.

In March, the weather became so hot that something happened in the Gore Range that usually doesn’t occur until June. The couloirs on the Grand Traverse, the 13,000-foot ridge overlooking Vail, became so saturated with melted snow that they slid to the ground. It’s called a climax slide, and it rarely happens before June.

“It was the most crazy thing I’ve ever seen,” said Darryl Bangert, who has been studying snow and river runoff in the Vail area since 1976.

Then, in mid-May, it started snowing — again and again. And when it didn’t snow it rained, continuing into June.

Last week, that snow and rain was evident as Colorado’s rivers became as crowded as a Chinese train station on a holiday. The rivers thrashed, they gnashed, they splashed in a hurry to get out of the mountains. There have been longer runoffs and higher runoffs, but it was impressive nonetheless.

http://www.summitdaily.com/news/16962143-113/mountain-town-news-swollen-colorado-rivers-run-wild

[gunDriller]

America just illustrates the meaning of the term idiot-o-cracy.


2000 years ago the Romans had these things called AQUEDUCTS.


the US is too stupid to collect water in states with extra water (AKA "Floods")

and so on.

(it involves looking up the word, "canal".)


the US is also a Prime Example of Judeo-Fascism.


wonder if there's a connection.


i would say the primary thing the US has a shortage of is, Cooperation Skills.

[Tumbleweed]

Man, it sounds nice up there. I'd like to go up and check out the fly fishing on some of those rivers. I don't suppose there's any jobs for boat captains up there.

I might get a job on offshore tugs, which I would be on the boat for 45 days, but then have 45 days off. I could live anywhere doing that. Pays pretty good too.

Lewiston, Idaho does have a seaport. I've hauled grain out of Montana to Lewiston to be loaded on ships and sent to other countries. They had huge hydraulic lifts that would pick the whole eighteen wheeler up and pour the grain out of the back of dry vans. Pretty country up that way.

a link to information on the seaport here. http://portoflewiston.com/

[crimethink]

America just illustrates the meaning of the term idiot-o-cracy.


2000 years ago the Romans had these things called AQUEDUCTS.


the US is too stupid to collect water in states with extra water (AKA "Floods")

and so on.

(it involves looking up the word, "canal".)


the US is also a Prime Example of Judeo-Fascism.


wonder if there's a connection.


i would say the primary thing the US has a shortage of is, Cooperation Skills.

I can tell you, as a native Northern Californian, many of us aren't too pleased that Los Angeles is sucking us dry via the California Aqueduct and Los Angeles Aqueduct (Owens Canal).

I would not blame those in the Midwest or Alaska at stopping at nothing to block transfer of water to the cities of the Southwest.

Los Angeles, for example, has had decades to plan for droughts, and has an endless supply of water to its immediate west. Rather than invest in desalinization when things were not so difficult, they continued their parasitism on the Sacramento-San Joaquin and Owens river watersheds, since such water was "cheap"(er). Rather than limit sprawl and especially, exponential growth due to illegals, the regimes of this land have merely looked to poach ever-more resources from other areas.

[monty]

I can tell you, as a native Northern Californian, many of us aren't too pleased that Los Angeles is sucking us dry via the California Aqueduct and Los Angeles Aqueduct (Owens Canal).

I would not blame those in the Midwest or Alaska at stopping at nothing to block transfer of water to the cities of the Southwest.

Los Angeles, for example, has had decades to plan for droughts, and has an endless supply of water to its immediate west. Rather than invest in desalinization when things were not so difficult, they continued their parasitism on the Sacramento-San Joaquin and Owens river watersheds, since such water was "cheap"(er). Rather than limit sprawl and especially, exponential growth due to illegals, the regimes of this land have merely looked to poach ever-more resources from other areas.


It is really sad what Los Angeles has done to the Owens River Valley.

Los Angeles Dept. Of Water and Power seems to be more powerful than the government.

[crimethink]

It is really sad what Los Angeles has done to the Owens River Valley.

Los Angeles Dept. Of Water and Power seems to be more powerful than the government.

DWP is the government...most of the California Legislature is from Southern California, a plurality from Los Angeles...what they want, they get.

Understand this, and you understand why State of Jefferson flags are being seen at a rapidly rising rate around here. :)

[gunDriller]

I can tell you, as a native Northern Californian, many of us aren't too pleased that Los Angeles is sucking us dry via the California Aqueduct and Los Angeles Aqueduct (Owens Canal).

I would not blame those in the Midwest or Alaska at stopping at nothing to block transfer of water to the cities of the Southwest.

Los Angeles, for example, has had decades to plan for droughts, and has an endless supply of water to its immediate west. Rather than invest in desalinization when things were not so difficult, they continued their parasitism on the Sacramento-San Joaquin and Owens river watersheds, since such water was "cheap"(er). Rather than limit sprawl and especially, exponential growth due to illegals, the regimes of this land have merely looked to poach ever-more resources from other areas.

they can hoover down de-salinated and re-cycled sewage.


this is the Magic of America. the differences between the states ! / half-sarc :)

California has earthquakes. and drought.

and the magic of Hollywood / major major sarc

[monty]

DWP is the government...most of the California Legislature is from Southern California, a plurality from Los Angeles...what they want, they get.

Understand this, and you understand why State of Jefferson flags are being seen at a rapidly rising rate around here. :)


Sound familiar, just like Las Vegas and Nevada politics.

[crimethink]

Sound familiar, just like Las Vegas and Nevada politics.

And Crook County, Illinois controls the legislature in Springfield.

[Hitch]

Lewiston, Idaho does have a seaport. I've hauled grain out of Montana to Lewiston to be loaded on ships and sent to other countries. They had huge hydraulic lifts that would pick the whole eighteen wheeler up and pour the grain out of the back of dry vans. Pretty country up that way.

a link to information on the seaport here. http://portoflewiston.com/

Thanks Tumbleweed! I'll check that out. You may have given me a destination. I'm hoping to make a trip to Idaho late sept into early october. If there's a seaport, there's boats working....I'll look into what companies might be up there. Very cool!

[Shami-Amourae]

Gonna visit me and Jewboo?

[Hitch]

Gonna visit me and Jewboo?

Sure, if you'll have me! Unfortunately it might have to be a short visit though. I'm hoping to take a class to upgrade my license in Oregon. I thought I'd take the scenic route through Idaho on the way back. I may only be able to have a week to explore your state.

[BrewTech]

Sure, if you'll have me! Unfortunately it might have to be a short visit though. I'm hoping to take a class to upgrade my license in Oregon. I thought I'd take the scenic route through Idaho on the way back. I may only be able to have a week to explore your state.

I bet you were gonna conveniently forget to remind me you were going, huh?

Still looking to tag along...

[Hitch]

I bet you were gonna conveniently forget to remind me you were going, huh?

Still looking to tag along...

Nope, this is a recent plan. You up for a road trip? :)

[BrewTech]

Nope, this is a recent plan. You up for a road trip? :) Quite possibly. Getting some tires put on the old man car this week, so it should be good to go!

[Horn]

Flood waters from Brownwood are now pouring into Lake Buchanan. The lake looks much different than a year ago. But it may take a few more days before we will notice the change the water flowing in now will make.
The flood surge, from Lake Brownwood rushed under the HWY 190 bridge near San Saba at day break. The debris rushing downstream crashed into an area known as Flatrock near the community of Bend. It was a sight that brought back memories for longtime resident John Byrd.
Byrd recalls, "Its, well it washed out the old bridge in 1930 something, so it got high."
The muddy water pushed fish into shallow areas and flushed out snakes. For everything and everyone along the river it was a scramble to get out of the way
"I call the old gentleman last night that owns this and told him he better get his stuff out because it was going to crest pretty high, if he don't want it to get wet he better move it."
By midday the water level is expected to be at 30 feet. That is up 28 feet from a few days ago. There wasn’t much water Wednesday in the Colorado. The change from a mostly dry, rocky bed happened in a matter of minutes. There was no giant wall of water and property owners, like Norman Pierce are thankful for that, but there will be a mess to clean up later.
"Every time it does this we get debris, no like said it’s been 4or 5 years we've been debris free, one year we had a pile as big and tall as a house, I mean super debris."
What doesn’t stay stuck along the bend will eventually flow on downstream into Lake Buchannan. Some of the changes are already happening along the shoreline. In anticipation of higher water moving in soon LCRA crews today started cutting back the brush that has grown up in the swimming area for the past several years.


http://www.myfoxaustin.com/story/29513302/flood-water-from-colorado-river-flowing-into-lake-buchanan

[Horn]

http://i.livescience.com/images/i/000/065/618/i02/colorado-river-flow-140501jpg.jpeg?1398966450

A release of water down the Colorado River may not reach the sea, as hoped. But it is visible from space.
A new satellite image from Landsat 8 (http://www.livescience.com/45281-colorado-river-pulse-satellite.html) captured a view of the Colorado on April 16. The river is typically dry by the time it gets to this spot in northern Mexico, its flow diverted to feed thirsty farms both in that country and in the United States. The Colorado River has only rarely reached the sea since 1960.
This spring, however, both countries agreed to release more water than usual (http://www.livescience.com/43868-dam-releases-restore-colorado-river.html) from the Colorado's dams in an effort to restore parched ecosystems, especially the Colorado Delta. This delta was a once-lush connection between the river and the Gulf of California. Before damming of the river began in the 1930s, some 4.9 trillion gallons (18.5 trillion liters) of water moved through the delta each year (http://www.livescience.com/42291-colorado-river-experimental-flood-planned.html).
The loss of that water — and the annual floods that once fed riverbank and delta ecosystems — has desiccated vegetation and left migratory bird populations high and dry. In 2012, the United States and Mexico signed a water treaty which included a provision to send 34 billion gallons (130 billion liters) of water downstream to mimic one of these floods. The pulse is an historical event, as it is designed solely for the benefit of the environment...

http://www.smithsonianmag.com/innovation/twenty-wests-leading-water-managers-raft-colorados-yampa-river-180955618/?no-ist

[Horn]

That diversion above should keep Lake mead at current low levels.