Energenx.................recharge old batteries

[Serpo]

http://energenx.com/



You're Looking at the Problem The average life of a liquid filled battery, depending on usage, is 6 to 48-months. According to a recent study, only 30% of all batteries actually reach the 48-month point.
Sulfation buildup occurs as lead sulphates form on the battery plates during the normal charge and discharge cycles. During this process, some of the sulphates enlarge to the point where they can't electrochemically react so they stay on the plate. Over time these sulphates can build up until efficiency is reduced and the battery dies. This process is the main reason for over 80% of all battery problems and failure. It is a natural by-product of battery operation, and sooner or later it will kill your battery. This is especially true for infrequently-used and stored batteries, but it is also a major problem for frequently-used batteries.
Undercharging and Overcharging
If the battery is not completely recharged after each use, sulfation buildup increases slightly with each charge/load cycle and impedes the battery's ability to be charged and to deliver power. If the battery is overcharged, the battery will heat, causing excessive thermal expansion and contraction of the battery plates as well as excessive shedding of the plate material. This unnecessary stress to the battery's plate structure causes it to fail prematurely. Radiant charging incorporates several innovative design technologies which minimize both undercharging and overcharging problems.







The Solution ENERGENX has recently finished the product development and extensive testing of several new solid-state battery charging systems. These chargers have been designed for a wide range of batteries from small 1.5 V to 24 V rechargeable, 12 V starter batteries to large, heavy-duty batteries such as those used in golf carts and solar homes. The batteries charged with these systems show consistently higher capacity levels than those charged with conventional constant current, constant voltage, or pulsed charging techniques. This is accomplished through a specially designed desulfating process that naturally occurs during the float charging process.
Although there are many different pulse charging systems on the market, all of which claim to provide a better and deeper charge, they still cannot compare to the new proprietary charge technique. The charge can, in many cases, effectively bring back an unchargeable battery, in a highly sulfated condition, to a near new condition. (In some cases charged batteries have even shown capacities higher than they had when they were new.)
A battery plate with good conductivity can be maintained at its optimal performance level with regular use of the charger. In addition to achieving higher energy storage capacities, longer battery lifetimes can be expected when using the our charging process.
ENERGENX will continues to develop products to continue the evolution of this technology.



ImplicationsAs is well known in the industry, a conventionally charged battery, as it ages, spends more time on its charger in increasingly ineffective attempts to charge it. Since the battery with substandard capacity cannot accept the electrical charge delivered to it, a large amount of wasted energy used by this practice shows up as heat in the battery, even further diminishing its capacity. Fully automated radiant chargers shut off when the battery can no longer absorb any more energy, and by doing so, drastically reduce this waste.
Hundreds of millions of dollars are lost every year in battery replacement costs and lost productivity. A huge percentage of this cost can be attributed to the improper charging of batteries by conventional means. A radiant charging system will actually save you money while keeping your battery-powered systems running more powerfully. With increased battery power, the productivity will be easily recognized. Charging down time and wasted energy will be significantly reduced. This could represent a savings of 30% or more of your annual battery replacement and energy costs combined.
Furthermore, radiant charging is environmentally friendly, reducing wasted energy consumption and preventing unnecessary, premature battery recycling.


http://energenx.com/solutions.html





http://pesn.com/2010/02/11/9501613_Bedinis_Tesla_Switch_Solar_Charger_confere nce/

[Glass]

can you recommend this product?

[Serpo]

can you recommend this product?

Well a friend of mine who knows an awful lot more than me on this subject was buying one and I wondered why the charger cost so much.

Apart from that ,no I havnt used one but it is very interesting regardless.

[Dogman]

Nice reading, but there is no way in holy hell would I spend that kind of money on something like that without a proven track record and user reviews.

Some saying comes to mind, something about a fools money...

[Hitch]

Nice reading, but there is no way in holy hell would I spend that kind of money on something like that without a proven track record and user reviews.

Some saying comes to mind, something about a fools money...

Yup! The golf cart battery charger costs $1500. You can buy quite a few golf cart batteries for that price.

[Serpo]

Take solar batteries , they cost a fortune but having something that can recreate an old battery would not be cheap.

[Spectrism]

I think all the solar charge controllers have "new technology". If you look at the website posted, at the bottom of the page you will see:

Copyright © 2001 Energenx, Inc.

Then looking under chargers:


Revolutionary New Charging Process

Our innovative new process now makes it possible for you to recover these unchangeable batteries


I would call BS on this. Looking at the "info" for their charger/ rejuvenator:
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EX-10A12 Battery Charger/Rejuvenator

The newly improved EX-10A12 has an advanced circuit design for superior charging capability on lead acid batteries. This powerful 10 -Amp charger will charge and recover most batteries in the range of 50 to 200 amp hour ranges. Extensive testing has shown that this charger outperforms any of the rival competition in its class. It will easily charge highly sulfated, un-chargeable batteries and maintain good batteries at their peak performance levels.
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A 10 amp charger is not enough unless you have a small battery. Here is what I use:

http://sunelec.com/charge-controllers/mppt-controllers/schneider-mppt-60-150-charge-controller.html

When I visited a battery expert, they said the only way to get a battery properly charged is to have high amperage. This will burn off sulfation or make new electrical paths onthe plates. If you want an AC powwered charger, I would get something like this:

http://www.quickcharge.com/select-a-charge-portable-chargers.html

[Dogman]

Most wet cell rechargeable battery's have a weakness and that is part of the battery is consumed in use, usually the plates and in use the plate material sloughs off as a sludge and ends up on the bottom of the cell and then shorts it out. There are techniques that (may) extend their life, but they will in time fail beyond redemption.

There is only one secondary cell battery that I know of that seems to be able to last longer than most if not all on the market and that is the nickle iron battery ( Edison cell) but it has its drawbacks also but for dam sure some that are dam near if not older than 100 years old are still working.

Dry cell rechargeable battery's are in the same boat, in every charge cycle part of the battery is consumed (changed) until they are as useless as tits on a boar hog and nothing can be done to save them.

My near perfect setup would be a solar cell setup using Edison battery's with what ever charge controller that can handle them, system like that would beat the crap out any solar/lead acid battery setup as far as system lifetime before replacements needed.

[Spectrism]

The cost of nickel iron batteries puts them into a hard-to-reach category. If you have plenty of extra cash with no place to go, that would be the best choice.

[Dogman]

The cost of nickel iron batteries puts them into a hard-to-reach category. If you have plenty of extra cash with no place to go, that would be the best choice.

Yes!

[monty]

Most wet cell rechargeable battery's have a weakness and that is part of the battery is consumed in use, usually the plates and in use the plate material sloughs off as a sludge and ends up on the bottom of the cell and then shorts it out. There are techniques that (may) extend their life, but they will in time fail beyond redemption.

There is only one secondary cell battery that I know of that seems to be able to last longer than most if not all on the market and that is the nickle iron battery ( Edison cell) but it has its drawbacks also but for dam sure some that are dam near if not older than 100 years old are still working.

Dry cell rechargeable battery's are in the same boat, in every charge cycle part of the battery is consumed (changed) until they are as useless as tits on a boar hog and nothing can be done to save them.

My near perfect setup would be a solar cell setup using Edison battery's with what ever charge controller that can handle them, system like that would beat the crap out any solar/lead acid battery setup as far as system lifetime before replacements needed.


Ma Bell used some batteries in glass cases you could remove the top and plates as a unit and clean the sludge out.



Edit: Those of you to young to remember, Ma Bell was Bell Telephone Company. They had repeater stations along the lines every so many miles. The equipment was DC powered by banks of single cell glass cased lead acid batteries. This was in the vacuum tube days.


Years ago my father had an old 4 cylinder Buda Diesel engine on an irrigation pump. It had a 32 volt starting/charging system. He would buy 6 6V batteries from the Sears Roebuck catalogue. The cells in batteries then were sealed in the case with tar. They were connected with lead straps. When a battery failed my father saved it. When he had several failed batteries he would drill the lead connecters connecting the cells and remove them. Then he dug the tar out from between the cells and lifted them out of the case. He would then clean the sludge from the case and put 3 good cells in, then solder the drilled out lead connectors back onto each cell. Next he melted the tar and resealed the cells. On average he usually got one more year from his reconditioned batteries.

[Dogman]

Ma Bell used some batteries in glass cases you could remove the top and plates as a unit and clean the sludge out.



Edit: Those of you to young to remember, Ma Bell was Bell Telephone Company. They had repeater stations along the lines every so many miles. The equipment was DC powered by banks of single cell glass cased lead acid batteries. This was in the vacuum tube days.


Years ago my father had an old 4 cylinder Buda Diesel engine on an irrigation pump. It had a 32 volt starting/charging system. He would buy 6 6V batteries from the Sears Roebuck catalogue. The cells in batteries then were sealed in the case with tar. They were connected with lead straps. When a battery failed my father saved it. When he had several failed batteries he would drill the lead connecters connecting the cells and remove them. Then he dug the tar out from between the cells and lifted them out of the case. He would then clean the sludge from the case and put 3 good cells in, then solder the drilled out lead connectors back onto each cell. Next he melted the tar and resealed the cells. On average he usually got one more year from his reconditioned batteries. Rail road right a ways and the gillion telegraph and phone wires with glass insulators.

These young whipper snappers (punks) do not have a clue! Fact jack!

Better days back when compared to today in so many ways.

Local exchange used thos battery's you mentioned and in their outstations.


Edit: Met and dated a few local operators at the local exchange over the phone when using directory assistance back when.

GOOD TIMES!

;)

[monty]

Rail road right a ways and the gillion telegraph and phone wires with glass insulators.

These young whipper snappers (punks) do not have a clue! Fact jack!

Better days back when compared to today in so many ways.

Local exchange used thos battery's you mentioned and in their outstations.


Four or five years ago they pulled all the wire off the old phone lines along U.S. 95 from Mexico to Canada. Then the pulled up all the poles, the ones with the glass insulators!

[Dogman]

Four or five years ago they pulled all the wire off the old phone lines along U.S. 95 from Mexico to Canada. Then the pulled up all the poles, the ones with the glass insulators! There are still a few poles with the old insulators still standing here along the RR line in a hit and or miss way, but only in the outer areas that have law crawling. Most of the insulators have been shot off the trees/poles.

In my younger days I do not admit that I sent a .22 at any insulator that may or not blown up!

;)

[monty]

I won't repeat that.

[Dogman]

I won't repeat that.
Statutes of limitations! Your honor ! ;)

But that was back in my young and dumb days, today not so young but still can be dumb, but hay it is a work in progress.

But amazingly there IS a thing called wisdom that glimmers on the horizon if we survive long enough to not repeat the sins of our past actions and or thoughts! It is not inherited nor school learned, other than life's lessons and experience that are taken to heart and noted and heeded. (some here has not learned yet, nor will ever learn)

Peace !

;)

[Serpo]

One of nature’s purest forms of electricity, the Crystal Water Battery. Three basic components are used in this battery, Alum, Copper and Magnesium and when coupled with the proper electronic circuit will produce a bright LED with an endless supply of electricity to power it.
The Crystal Water Battery has been designed for off grid and humanitarian use. By just adding water a chemical reaction begins, and the electrified crystals will begin to grow as they produce electricity, which will power the LED light.
Never Buy Batteries Again
http://energenx.com/images/crystal%20light%201.jpg
Your Crystal Battery Light will perform for many years using just water as its only source of fuel. If your crystals dry out it will not damage the lamp and can sit for many years in this condition until needed. By just adding a few ounces of water around the crystal, it will return to its previous working condition and full brightness.
Your Crystal Light will produce enough light to read a book, use a mini flashlight or nightlight and will last until the crystals run dry. Typically in most conditions The Crystal Light will last for twenty four hours or longer without adding water. When your light dims just add a little water and it will return to full brightness.

[Spectrism]

One of nature’s purest forms of electricity, the Crystal Water Battery. Three basic components are used in this battery, Alum, Copper and Magnesium and when coupled with the proper electronic circuit will produce a bright LED with an endless supply of electricity to power it.
The Crystal Water Battery has been designed for off grid and humanitarian use. By just adding water a chemical reaction begins, and the electrified crystals will begin to grow as they produce electricity, which will power the LED light.
Never Buy Batteries Again
http://energenx.com/images/crystal%20light%201.jpg
Your Crystal Battery Light will perform for many years using just water as its only source of fuel. If your crystals dry out it will not damage the lamp and can sit for many years in this condition until needed. By just adding a few ounces of water around the crystal, it will return to its previous working condition and full brightness.
Your Crystal Light will produce enough light to read a book, use a mini flashlight or nightlight and will last until the crystals run dry. Typically in most conditions The Crystal Light will last for twenty four hours or longer without adding water. When your light dims just add a little water and it will return to full brightness.






What if this is NOT a battery but a crystal antenna? It is possible that it is only collecting EM radiation from radio transmissions. It would be interesting to set this up in a Faraday cage and see if it still works. I watched some videos on these a few weeks back.

If it is just an antenna, then in a grid-down scenario it would be worthless. Any experimenters here? I may try some.

I have not heard any reasonable theory brought into these. If they can't explain it, then they are not close to making it better or practical.

[hoarder]

I haven't been able to find any evidence that battery additives and pulse charging gizmos work. My solar batteries, Trojan T-105's are still showing to be good according to my hydrometer, they're 7 years old. I usually get 5 or six years out of my batteries in my generators, trucks, welding machine etc. unless I really screw up and leave something on and let the battery go completely dead. My ATV batteries only last 2 or 3 years, but they are undersized (small compartment) and subject to much vibration, and charging systems are low capacity.

I have 18 lead acid batteries to take care of and would love to see a way to stretch my battery budget, but I just don't see any unconventional solutions yet.