California water crisis,housing collapse, mass exodus of climate refugees

[singular_me]

and a domino housing collapse throughout the country

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Why the California water crisis will lead to a housing collapse, municipal bankruptcies and a mass exodus of climate refugees
Sunday 10th May 2015

‘The only proof you need that many Californians are still living in a water fairy tale is the fact that California real estate prices haven’t yet collapsed. Even as the California Governor has declared a state of emergency — and emergency water rationing is under way — there are still people purchasing commercial and residential real estate in precisely the areas that will be hardest hit by that rationing.

What is the value of a home or business that has no functioning connection to a water system? Essentially ZERO.

How many California homes and businesses are headed for a zero-water future? Many millions.’
http://www.naturalnews.com/049630_California_water_crisis_climate_refugees.ht ml

[EE_]

I think California is years away from any kind of collapse. For all we know, it could rain cats and dogs next year.

For the time being, California having such a corrupt government, they will find a way to survive and maybe even prosper off the drought. Like California housing, water should go to the highest bidder.

One day there may be water trains that transport clean water from Canada and other states, to the rich. This drought is no problem for them.

Taxes on the consumers will be raised and poor quality water, (oil companies waste water mixed with pooh and urine will become the norm) will be pumped to their homes for a higher price.

People, I mean "consumers" in California don't really care about the drought, as long as something comes out of their tap.

http://www.chicagolandplumbing.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/full-glass-of-dirty-water.jpg

[Heisenberg]

and a domino housing collapse throughout the country

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Why the California water crisis will lead to a housing collapse, municipal bankruptcies and a mass exodus of climate refugees
Sunday 10th May 2015

‘The only proof you need that many Californians are still living in a water fairy tale is the fact that California real estate prices haven’t yet collapsed. Even as the California Governor has declared a state of emergency — and emergency water rationing is under way — there are still people purchasing commercial and residential real estate in precisely the areas that will be hardest hit by that rationing.

What is the value of a home or business that has no functioning connection to a water system? Essentially ZERO.

How many California homes and businesses are headed for a zero-water future? Many millions.’
http://www.naturalnews.com/049630_California_water_crisis_climate_refugees.ht ml
Desal plants are expensive but doable...there is no way people are leaving the coastal areas. It's not happening.

[milehi]

I pay $75 every three months for water. No matter how much I use. Seems like a good deal to me. I still conserve because my parents didn't raise a dirtbag.

[Hitch]

I pay $75 every three months for water. No matter how much I use. Seems like a good deal to me. I still conserve because my parents didn't raise a dirtbag.

I don't pay any extra for water, or power, either. I'm doing my part to conserve as well. My parents, where they live, people can't seem to even buy houses anymore. As soon as a house goes on the market, it's a bidding war, and the big investment companies buy it. That's how completely insane the housing market is in some places out here. The housing market will collapse here, drought or no drought. My parents hope to sell and move to the mountains in a few years. Hopefully it won't collapse until they cash out.

[milehi]

I bought in early 2012 for 95 and just sold for 230 here in the mountains. Right now I'm renting a 700 square foot place before I eject to Idaho. I like it here though. I'm above the trees and can be at 10K in a short hike.

[singular_me]

something to chew on?

the problem I see is the "velocity of fiat money" created by debt black holes
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FROM THE OP

As property taxes collapse, California cities and towns will plunge into bankruptcy
Property taxes are the primary revenue sources that keep cities financially afloat. Because cities can't print their own money like the Fed, they can't create money from nothing and spend it to run their corrupt fiefdoms.

Sure, cities can issue bonds, but those bonds have to be repaid. And you can't repay the bonds if you don't have the cash flow to do it. Cash flow comes from property taxes which will plummet. Do you see the problem here?

This situation is made far worse by the fact that many of California's cities and towns are already in a state of near-bankruptcy. The California lifestyle, led by delusional Democratic lawmakers who simply refuse to follow sustainable economics, has always been one of "consuming more than is sustainable." So California governments have been big spenders on social programs. But those social programs now exist as giant anchors around the necks of all California taxpayers, which is why California is one of the very worst tax states in the union.

As real estate valuations collapse, property taxes will fall. To make up the difference, California will refuse to cut social programs (because that would offend their entitlement voters) and instead will hike other forms of taxation to unprecedented levels. Business taxes, sales taxes and possibly even taxes on sunlight (solar taxes) will become the new norm as California desperately tries to stave off total financial collapse.

This, in turn, will cause an acceleration of the exodus of California taxpayers who finally conclude, "I'm outta here!" Many Californians have already realized they can move to places like Texas where taxes are low, real estate is relatively affordable, and the state isn't led by psychopathic socialists. (Sadly, Californians are now transforming Austin into another high-tax socialist police state with endless traffic jams and a corrupt city council, but that's another story.)

Learn more: http://www.naturalnews.com/049630_California_water_crisis_climate_refugees.ht ml#ixzz3Zl6liu5L

[Hitch]

Milehi, I've been thinking about Idaho too. It's been cold here and I'm couped up inside. I've been dragging my feet on making a career change. If I do pursue it, I would be away working for 45 days, then I would have 45 days off to be free. I could live anywhere with that schedule. The job would pay enough for a cabin like this one maybe, right alongside a river. Beautiful.

http://www.landwatch.com/Camas-County-Idaho-House-for-sale/pid/314446948

[Horn]

Is well documented that property in California has become the 'international' buy. Whatever the case currently, the international dollar is always far and away the velocity winner by a landslide. when compared to any other.

With all the major blockades to get a dollar back into the U.S. system. Property is the loophole afforded to it. No "cost" is too high. Until it simply stops. Which it will someday not too far off. Its the fat of the entire planet, and is burning like pig fat under a castle wall.

[Horn]

Milehi, I've been thinking about Idaho too. It's been cold here and I'm couped up inside.

lol, goto Idaho for a more permanent cold couping.

If u like snow in june u'll be alright.

[Hitch]

lol, goto Idaho for a more permanent cold couping.

If u like snow in june u'll be alright.

It's the coastal foggy cold that seems to go right to the bone.

Mark Twain has a great quote. "The coldest winter I've ever spent was a summer in San Francisco."

[Horn]

It's the coastal foggy cold that seems to go right to the bone.

Mark Twain has a great quote. "The coldest winter I've ever spent was a summer in San Francisco."

Mark Twain never spent winter in drybone iowa, apparently. U have no idea of dry cold, it'll rattle your bones in under 2 minutes. and you'll physically start to convulse.

You're just feeling crampy like a middle aged woman going thru menopause there in San Francisco currently. :)

[Hitch]

Mark Twain never spent winter in drybone iowa, apparently. U have no idea of dry cold, it'll rattle your bones in under 2 minutes. and you'll physically start to convulse.

You're just feeling crampy like a middle aged woman going thru menopause there in San Francisco currently. :)

Respectfully disagree. I lived for years in Colorado and have climbed 14,000 foot mountains during the winter.

The coldest I think I've personally ever been, was bow watch, in the fog, on the SF bay.

[Horn]

Colorado's mountain heights have an ample reflective surface with the snow, and u the only colored heat sink available.

Iowa's brown and dried crops will suck the heat from yur very bone marrow, and leave you hoppin like a scarecrow.

[Horn]

Respectfully disagree. I lived for years in Colorado and have climbed 14,000 foot mountains during the winter.

The coldest I think I've personally ever been, was bow watch, in the fog, on the SF bay.

Respectfully, the fact is you were able to actually tolerate and exist the outdoors in the 'S.F. bay fog". had you been in either Iowa or Idaho, you would have turned around and gone right back inside near the fire. Or if no permanent fire available packed up yur horse drawn carriage and gone to San Francisco to stay for the winter. Dry heat or cold will trump anything with a normal relative humidity in most cases.

[Heisenberg]

I pay $75 every three months for water. No matter how much I use. Seems like a good deal to me. I still conserve because my parents didn't raise a dirtbag.my grass is brown...the tomato and onions still get watered

[Shami-Amourae]

lol, goto Idaho for a more permanent cold couping.

If u like snow in june u'll be alright.

It doesn't snow much where I live. It only snows a few times a year and typically melts after a few days. The longest span we had was 2.5 weeks before the snow melted.

I honestly prefer the weather here over Southern California. Sure the snow sucks, but the the Fall and Spring have perfect 60-70 Degree weather and mild Summers. I love it in comparison to the endless hot days in California.

Then again I don't do to well in heat.

[Horn]

Then again I don't do to well in heat.

What do you do inside your house for heat, not well in there?

Recently the northern tear has done well with advanced higher solar cycle in millennium. I'll give you ten years at this present cycle and you'll be near glaciated again

[Hitch]

Respectfully, the fact is you were able to actually tolerate and exist the outdoors in the 'S.F. bay fog". had you been in either Iowa or Idaho, you would have turned around and gone right back inside near the fire. Or if no permanent fire available packed up yur horse drawn carriage and gone to San Francisco to stay for the winter. Dry heat or cold will trump anything with a normal relative humidity in most cases.

Firefighters know of a term, steam burn. When you put water on a fire, it turns to steam, and suffocates the fire. If you put too much water on it while in the burning room, that steam falls down on you like a blanket. It goes right through all the firefighter protective gear, and burns you. It's happened to me, and it hurts like hell, you fee like you are on fire.

Fog has that same effect. When there's fog, there's usually no wind. But, on the bow of a boat going 10 mph through it, that fogs just goes through whatever you are wearing. Dry cold, you can bundle up to protect against it.

[Horn]

Dry cold, you can bundle up to protect against it.

Reason humans are more populace in coastal regions are not only because its cooler, but also cause its warmer. Water/humidity is your friend in any case when it comes to extreme weather. I've spent winters in Iowa were it was simply impossible to function outside. Yes, firefighters there would've welcomed any chance to get outdoors and into a fire. You were unable to stand ontop of a fire inside the house to retain heat, heat can be dealt with, cold is a different story.

[Shami-Amourae]

What do you do inside your house for heat, not well in there?

Recently the northern tear has done well with advanced higher solar cycle in millennium. I'll give you ten years at this present cycle and you'll be near glaciated again

Well I have an electric heater and electricity is 1/4th the price here so its not a big deal. I personally prefer cooler temperatures so can keep the temperature at around 60 degrees and wear thermal underwear. I only need to heat the room one or two times up a day and it stays warm the whole time, even when it's snowing out.

The buildings here are designed to retain heat. The thermostats have no off switches. Just a minimum 40 degrees.

[Horn]

Well I have an electric heater and electricity is 1/4th the price here so its not a big deal.

I predict an exponential rise to electric prices in Idaho when Hitch arrives and the temperature drops due to solar variation.

[Hitch]

Shami, what about fresh veggies? Do you guys get fresh produce up there? Such as onion, lettuce and tomato.

[Jewboo]

Do you guys get fresh produce up there?




http://cdn2-b.examiner.com/sites/default/files/styles/image_content_width/hash/6d/fa/1336063614_farmers%20market%202.jpg?itok=RVuOGBUb

Treasure Valley farmers market guide (http://www.examiner.com/article/treasure-valley-farmers-market-guide)

:) Many neighbors also grow in their backyards

[Shami-Amourae]

Shami, what about fresh veggies? Do you guys get fresh produce up there? Such as onion, lettuce and tomato.

I've talked about this in previous threads.

The thing is many people go off to the boonies in various states, and they find the only source of food is some corner thrift type store that only sells month old GMO food/veggies.

I learned this lesson when I went out to Newcastle, Wyoming which is really out there in the middle of nowhere.


To get access to real food (organic) you need to be in an area near a population center. You just can't get away from that. Twin Falls here doesn't have any stores that are dedicated to organic, but there is one store that should cover most organic needs. It's a bit of a food desert if it weren't for this one store. The good news is this store has expanded its organic selection each year and I've talked with employees and they've told me it's a booming business for that since they've captured the market. The thing is a lot of Red State/Republicans think organic food is gay so it's usually only something driven by Leftists sadly. When you go to the one store you'll find the highest concentration of Leftists in the region. You may see the faggots with the big black studs in their ears, the tattoo kids, ladies with green hair, stuff like that. Basically a lot of the college crowd from the local community college. You don't see that anywhere else in town.


What I'm getting at is one of the biggest thing preparedness type people miss when moving to rural areas is where they will source their organic food. Saying you will just grow your own is a bit naive since you may grow only a handful of crops but won't have your apples, your kale, your grass fed beef, and so on.

That's one of the reasons I like the Magic Valley. It's one of the smallest population centers where you can find everything you need and want really, and the Mecca of preparedness.


Now about getting "fresh" veggies the local Farmers Market is open 6 months of the year from May to October. I would call those the fertile months since we might get nightly freezing temperatures that freeze crops outside that window. If I go to the Farmers Market now there's not as much veggies/fruit available but there probably will be in a couple weeks or so since it just isn't the right time for farmers to catch up with the seasons. This is the prime area to get local organic food and you can make friends with farmers and make more direct deals.

In the off cold seasons most of the organic foods at the grocery store with organic food (and bullets LOL) we will get organic food from California generally and (sadly) Mexico, so you really don't know if that's organic. It's better than the other shit I guess.


Boise definitely has a higher selection of organic foods, but it's a larger metro area. They have only only dedicated organic grocery store in the entire state, a single Whole Foods. The Magic Valley has one store that sees that there is a large food desert in the region so has modified their store to accommodate the growing niche.


Conclusion:
Most of the Magic Valley produces GMO potatos and sugar beets. Those are the chief crops. Most organic food comes from Oregon and California it seems from the grocery store but you'll find plenty of local stuff at the Farmers Market when its open. The soil is enriched from the ancient volcanoes that used to be here. What's known as the Yellowstone Caldera used to be under the Magic Valley and it blew up millions of years ago so the soil is very unique and prime for agriculture. We do have vineyards coming in and the Idaho wine business is booming, so I do believe that we will soon be known for more besides potatoes and sugar beets.

@0.50:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HGH1RatMe8s

[EE_]

North Carolina has the largest farmers markets I've seen anywhere in the US
Almost every city has one, not counting the smaller roadside markets.
The one in Raleigh is on 75 acres and has 225,000 square feet of covered, climate controlled, all season retail and wholesale spaces.
Everything grows here except kiwi, avocado, bananas and citrus.

Buildings with red roofs in upper right of picture
http://d.lib.ncsu.edu/adore-djatoka/resolver?rft_id=0052056&svc.level=5&svc_id=info%3Alanl-repo%2Fsvc%2FgetRegion&svc_val_fmt=info%3Aofi%2Ffmt%3Akev%3Amtx%3Ajpeg200 0&url_ver=Z39.88-2004