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palani
12th May 2015, 07:49 AM
people got gout. Then doctors figured out that the problem was due to a hyperactive thyroid. Fluoride was found to reduce these hyper active thyroid activities and a plan was devised to add fluoride to the water to prevent rich people from getting gout with a cover story that it would prevent tooth decay. This is fortunate for rich people but not so fortunate for people who do not have a diet of rich foods; i.e., poor people.

When confronted with fluoride in the drinking water a normal thyroid now becomes hypo active (aka "sluggish") and the result is an obese poor population. This comes about because in the conversion of T3 to T4 where iodine is necessary fluoride in excess substitutes for the iodine. T4 does not act like a normal thyroid secretion sending messages to the rest of the body. The metabolism of food slows down and fat is produced.

Funny this article identifies fluoride as a problem but doesn't address WHY it is a problem. Iodine is not mentioned once in the entire article.

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2015/05/12/fluoride-overdose.aspx?e_cid=20150512Z1_DNL_art_1&utm_source=dnl&utm_medium=email&utm_content=art1&utm_campaign=20150512Z1&et_cid=DM74659&et_rid=949268635

US Government Admits Americans Have Been Overdosed on Fluoride




The US government has finally admitted they've overdosed Americans on fluoride and, for first time since 1962, are lowering its recommended level of fluoride in drinking water.1,2,3

About 40 percent of American teens have dental fluorosis,4 a condition referring to changes in the appearance of tooth enamel—from chalky-looking lines and splotches to dark staining and pitting—caused by long-term ingestion of fluoride during the time teeth are forming.

In some areas, fluorosis rates are as high as 70-80 percent, with some children suffering from advanced forms.

The former recommendation called for a fluoride level of 0.7 to 1.2 milligrams per liter (mg/L) of water. The new upper limit set by the US Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) is 0.7 mg/L, to prevent these visible signs of toxic overexposure.

Why Is a Drug Added to Water When the Dose Cannot Be Controlled?

It's quite clear that when you add fluoride to drinking water, you cannot control the dose that people are getting, and fluoride is in fact not only a non-essential mineral but a toxic drug. This alone is one of the reasons why fluoride shouldn't be added to drinking water at any level.

If a doctor somehow managed to force a patient to take a drug with known toxic effects and failed to inform them of the dosage and frequency, and never monitored their health outcome, they would be medically negligent and liable to legal and medical board action.

Yet water utilities administer this drug without a prescription, at the behest of the government, without any idea of who will get what dose and for how long, and without monitoring for side effects.

Fluoride is added to drinking water to, in theory, prevent a disease (tooth decay), and as such becomes a medicine by FDA definition. While proponents claim this is no different than adding vitamin D to milk, fluoride is not an essential nutrient. Moreover, fluoride isn't even approved by the FDA for the prevention of cavities.

We now know that at a limit of 0.7-1.2 mg/L causes a great many people to overdose on the drug. Will an upper limit of 0.7 mg/L protect everyone forced to drink fluoridated water?

Considering the fact that people also get fluoride from toothpaste, dental rinses, processed foods, and beverages, the chances of overexposure are still present, even at this lowered level.

Many Will Still Be at Risk for Overexposure at Lowered Fluoride Level

At the previous level, 40 percent of US teens became "collateral damage." What will the allowable damage be at the new level? The HHS said it will evaluate dental fluorosis rates among children in 10 years to assess whether they were correct about this new level.

Let's say dental fluorosis goes down to 20 percent. Is 20 percent an acceptable level of harm? How about 10 percent? Who decides what the acceptable level of collateral damage is?

Remarkably, the Sacramento Bee5 reports that: "Recent unpublished federal research found there's no regional differences in the amount of water kids drink. So it makes sense for the same levels to be used everywhere, health officials said."

I'd be very curious to review that study, because I have a hard time imagining that kids everywhere drink the same amount of water!

It's also a ludicrous assumption unless every single child is also exposed to the same amount of fluoride from other sources besides drinking water... and weighs the same... and has the same health status... and we know that's simply not the case.

According to the HHS, the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) "uses the 90th percentile of drinking water intake for all age groups to calculate the relative contribution for each fluoride source."

What this means is that if you drink more water than the 90th percentile, you are not protected by this reduced level. People most likely to fall into that category include infants receiving formula mixed with fluoridated water, people working outdoors (especially in hot climates), athletes, and diabetics.

Dental Fluorosis Is NOT the Only Risk of Water Fluoridation

Barbara Gooch, a dentist at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) told NPR6 that "The only documented risk of water fluoridation is fluorosis, and it is primarily a cosmetic risk. Fluorosis in the milder form is not a health risk."

This hints at a really deficient understanding of the available science on fluoride's health effects. Dental fluorosis is the most visible form of fluorosis, but it's far from being "just cosmetic" and of no further concern.

It can also be an indication that the rest of your body, such as your bones and internal organs, including your brain, has been overexposed to fluoride as well.

In other words, if fluoride is having a visually detrimental effect on the surface of your teeth, you can be virtually guaranteed that it's also damaging other parts of your body, such as your bones. Skeletal fluorosis, which isn't visible, is very difficult to distinguish from arthritis. Symptoms indicative of early clinical stage skeletal fluorosis include:

Burning, prickling, and tingling in your limbs
Muscle weakness
Chronic fatigue
Gastrointestinal disorders
Reduced appetite and weight loss

The second clinical stage of skeletal fluorosis is characterized by:

Stiff joints and/or constant pain in your bones; brittle bones; and osteosclerosis
Anemia
Calcification of tendons, or ligaments of ribs and pelvis
Osteoporosis in the long bones
Bony spurs may also appear on your limb bones, especially around your knee, elbow, and on the surface of tibia and ulna

All of this has been known since the 1930s, so it's rather disingenuous to proclaim that dental fluorosis is the only documented risk of water fluoridation. If 40 percent of American teens have dental fluorosis, how many people suffer from skeletal fluorosis as a result of chronic fluoride overexposure? In one previous study, bone fracture rates also rose sharply with increasing severity of dental fluorosis. Studies have also demonstrated that fluoride toxicity, caused by overexposure, can lead to:
Increased lead absorption Disrupted synthesis of collagen Hyperactivity and/or lethargy Muscle disorders
Bone cancer (osteosarcoma) Increased tumor and cancer rate Arthritis Skeletal fluorosis and bone fractures
Genetic damage and cell death Damaged sperm and increased infertility Inactivation of 62 enzymes and inhibition of more than 100 Inhibited formation of antibodies, and immune system disruptions

Fluoride Has No Benefit for Teeth When Swallowed

You are beyond naïve if you believe that fluoride somehow selectively goes to your teeth when you swallow it. Rather, it accumulates throughout your body's bones and tissues. What little benefit fluoride may have is achieved through topical application. Both the CDC and the World Health Organization (WHO) have noted that there is no discernible difference in tooth decay between developed countries that fluoridate their water and those that do not.7

The decline in tooth decay the US has experienced over the last 60 years, which is often attributed to fluoridated water, has likewise occurred in all developed countries, most of which do not fluoridate their water. So declining rates of dental decay is not in and of itself proof that water fluoridation actually works. It's also worth noting that well over 99 percent of the fluoride added to drinking water never even touches a tooth; it simply runs down the drain, into the environment, where you can be guaranteed it's doing nothing that is beneficial...
Cavity Rates
Source: KK Cheng et al. BMJ 2007.8 Rates of cavities have declined by similar amounts in countries with and without fluoridation.

HHS Still Ignores Major Safety Concerns

According to Fluoride Action Network9 (FAN), in finalizing its new fluoride recommendation, the HHS has whitewashed a number of safety issues, failing to address recent research showing adverse effects ranging from lowered IQ in children (found in no less than 43 studies), underactive thyroid,10 and ADHD.11

For example, one recent study12 linking fluoridated water to higher prevalence of ADHD created a predictive model showing that every one percent increase in the portion of the US population drinking fluoridated water in 1992 was associated with 67,000 additional cases of ADHD 11 years later, and an additional 131,000 cases 19 years later.

FAN points out that the HHS even "resorted to deceit" when it dismissed research showing reductions in IQ. The HHS stated that "A recent meta-analysis of studies conducted in rural China... identified an association between high fluoride exposure (i.e., drinking water concentrations ranging up to 11.5 mg/L) and lower IQ scores..." First of all, there are in all 43 studies reporting a relationship between fluoride exposure and reduced IQ. The study mentioned by the HHS only looked at 27 of them.

But more importantly, when you seek to protect an entire population you have to look at the lowest level at which harm becomes apparent, not the highest. By noting only the upper level of the fluoride concentrations found in this study, it appears the HHS was trying to offer misleading reassurance that their recommended level is well beneath any level where risk may be present. But the lowest level at which IQ reductions were noted in that study was 0.88 mg/L, which isn't that far from the new recommended upper limit of 0.7 mg/L.

Add fluoride from other sources, and you may very well get into the range of hazard. Interestingly, a number of studies13,14,15,16 have specifically shown that children who have moderate or severe dental fluorosis score lower on tests measuring cognitive skills and IQ, suggesting that if 40 percent of our kids have fluorosis, the water fluoridation scheme in the US is likely affecting our children's IQ as well. As noted by FAN:

"In addition, in toxicology, it is not the concentration of fluoride (mg/liter) that is the relevant parameter but the dose in mg/day (how much you drink), and such a dose has to be compiled from all sources. In the case of the Chinese children in rural villages in these studies, they did not have two sources that US children commonly have: typically they are not bottle-fed and they do not use fluoridated toothpaste.

So, it is likely that some American children are getting higher doses than some of the Chinese children who had their IQ lowered... Because fluoride is an endocrine disruptor and has the potential to lower IQ in children, FAN urges HHS to adopt the Precautionary Principle and end fluoridation now."

They Got It Wrong—HHS Does Not Consider the Fact That Fluoride Is an Endocrine Disruptor...

According to FAN:

"HHS also stated in its press release that a report on the toxicology of fluoride by the National Research Council of the National Academies (NRC, 200617) 'found no evidence substantial enough to support effects other than severe dental fluorosis at these levels.'

What HHS failed to state is that the NRC report of 2006 stated18 for the first time that fluoride is an 'endocrine disruptor,' which means it has the potential to play havoc with the biology and fate of humans and animals. This is far more significant than severe dental fluorosis."

Dogman
12th May 2015, 08:09 AM
When I lived in West Texas I could not help notice that the natives (born and raised) there almost all of them had discolored teeth that I suspect was dental fluorosis that they got by drinking and using the high mineral water. Some places city tap water was so nasty tasting it was hard to even brush ones teeth with it.

I first noticed teeth like they had because of a local (here) family had a well they used because they lived in the country that had high mineral contact. All ten kids had the same colored teeth, sorta a chalky discoloration.

Even today when I notice people with teeth like that I ask them where they were raised, (not mentioning their teeth) and almost all so far have come from areas that have highly mineralised tap water.

As for gout, not sure about fluoride in the water, my city does not use or puts any in, tho the water here does have natural fluoride in it that is hard to remove.

About two years ago I had my first gout attack with my right big toe and believe me unless you have ever experienced one, stay that way, the pain is a 20 on a 10 to one scale, which is the most intense pain I have ever experienced and I have been trying to figure out what is the trigger for the attacks.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gout

Nothing mentioned about iodine or thyroid ether but lots to say about Uric acid crystals in joints

monty
12th May 2015, 08:47 AM
Many people who grew up around Fallon, Nevada have discolored teeth due to flouride in the water.

Dogman
12th May 2015, 08:57 AM
Many people who grew up around Fallon, Nevada have discolored teeth due to flouride in the water.

That is close to the comstock mines and it looks like the Carson river feeds directly to Fallon, back in the day at the mines they used huge amounts of mercury and other nastys to extract the gold that got dumped into the river and I suspect the Carson river downstream from the mines have huge amounts of fine gold in its banks along with all the nastys that are best left buried but I think leaches into the water tables.

:(

monty
12th May 2015, 09:16 AM
I knew a family from Fallon. Most of the children had stained teeth. I am not sure how close to the Carson River their place was. I was told that the stains were from flouride in the well water. As far as mercury in the Carson River, it is still there.

Dachsie
12th May 2015, 09:28 AM
"As for gout, not sure about fluoride in the water, my city does not use or puts any in, tho the water here does have natural fluoride in it that is hard to remove."

"Calcium Fluoride (CaF2) is compound of calcium and fluorine which occurs naturally as the mineral fluorite – also called fluorspar. Most of the world’s fluorine comes from calcium fluoride. Fluorides in general are toxic to humans, however CaF2 is considered the least toxic, and even relatively harmless due to its extreme insolubility. Moreover, calcium is a well-known antidote for fluoride poisoning. When an antidote exists in combination with a poison, it makes the poison far less toxic to the body. Calcium fluoride is the form of fluoride commonly found in natural, untreated waters."

"Fluorosilicic acid (H2SiF6) is commonly used for water fluoridation. This form of fluoride is a toxic liquid by-product, acquired by scrubbing the chimney stacks of phosphate fertilizer manufacture. Other names for it are hexafluorosilicic, hexafluosilicic, hydrofluosilicic, and silicofluoric acid. The CDC approximates that 95% of our water is fluoridated with fluorosilicic acid. (http://www.cdc.gov/fluoridation/fact_sheets/engineering/wfadditives.htm#1)"

Source"

http://fluoridedetective.com/types-of-fluoride/


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Dr. Masters, a sociology professor, along with Chemistry Ph.D., Dr. Cohen, did a famous fluoride study and showed that hydrofluosilicic acid, the kind they put in our drinking water, caused behavior and learning disbilities, that is, brain damage, in children, especially Black and Hispanic children.

The history of fluoride use is just one of megamaniacal evil and corruption. Our secretary of the Treasury, the original owner of ALCOA aluminum making company, is the one who pushed that the waste of his manufacturing be sold to municipalities to put in their tap water, so as to save his company from having the expense and almost impossible task of properly disposing of this lethal hazardous toxic chemical, hydofluosilicic acid.

Also the history of this bad kind of fluoride being put in our tap water goes back to a study of the people of Kingston, New York, an area with high natural flouride in the water. I cannot remember the particulars, but the story can be found online. Anyway, the study results provided the rationale sought for, under ostensible scientific cover, to allow government policy authorizing municipal water fluoridation.

It might be possible to find the two show recordings of Dr. Stan Monteith's interview of Dr. Roger Masters.

I do not think the connections of fluoride to gout is completely accurate, though there may be some truthful facts scattered in that.

The latest on gout is to eat montmorrisey cherries or cherry juice or buy some kind of cherry juice in bottles sold at Whole Foods. Don't know if that will work though, if one does not change one's diet.

Many people who went on Atkins diet of eating almost exclusiding protein cooked meats and high fat and almost no carbohydrates and vegetables developed gout. Many "poor" people eat diets rich in high fat and protein diets, like Mexicans who eat their barbacoa and charbroiled chicken and beef and goats and wild boar.

We ain't got the whole truth out there yet about fluoride. Maybe never will. Just stop drinking fluoridated tap water and if your area is unusually high in even the "harmless" kind of fluoride, better stop drinking it too.

Hitch
12th May 2015, 10:06 AM
As for gout, not sure about fluoride in the water, my city does not use or puts any in, tho the water here does have natural fluoride in it that is hard to remove.

Dogman, do you use a filter for your drinking water? A berkey or propur gravity system gets rid of the flouride, and other stuff as well. I have a propur, since berkey is not allowed in CA, and I highly recommend it.

Dogman
12th May 2015, 10:10 AM
Dogman, do you use a filter for your drinking water? A berkey or propur gravity system gets rid of the flouride, and other stuff as well. I have a propur, since berkey is not allowed in CA, and I highly recommend it.

At this stage of my life, it does not matter a bit! City water here has always tasted great to me compared to other areas I have lived in! Too late for me to change and will not bother about it, But if I was living elsewhere I would.

Carry on!

:)