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Ares
16th May 2015, 11:22 AM
Apart from documents that have outlined supposed terrorist threats, like Al-Qaeda, and their connection to US intelligence agencies, like the CIA, there are a number of whistleblowers that have come out adding more fuel to the fire. Because not many are even aware of these documents, letting people know about a truth that can be hard for people to accept, let alone ponder the possibility is very important. It’s just one aspect of the veil that’s been blinding the masses for quite some time now.

The latest whistleblower is David Steele, a 20-year Marine Corps intelligence officer, and the second-highest-ranking civilian in the U.S. Marine Corps Intelligence. He is a former CIA clandestine services case officer, and this is what he had to say:

“Most terrorists are false flag terrorists, or are created by our own security services. In the United States, every single terrorist incident we have had has been a false flag, or has been an informant pushed on by the FBI. In fact, we now have citizens taking out restraining orders against FBI informants that are trying to incite terrorism. We’ve become a lunatic asylum.”

What Is A “False Flag Attack?”A great example of a false flag attack is 9/11, something that many people believe to be a creation of US intelligence agencies, or some entity above the government (one that controls what Eisenhower called “the military industrial complex”). The idea is that these so called terrorist attacks are created by this group, in order to justify the infiltration of other countries, and to justify a heightened state of “national security.” As a result, in the eyes of the citizenry, war and mass murder are justified, when the intentions behind these actions are something the citizenry has no idea about. This is why we see a false sense of patriotism programmed into many people, especially in the United States. Men and women join this massive military machine with good hearts, thinking that they are serving their country and fighting terrorism, when they are doing the complete opposite. They are only participating in a fabricated war based on lies and misinformation.

“The truth is, there is no Islamic army or terrorist group called Al-Qaeda, and any informed intelligence officer knows this. But, there is a propaganda campaign to make the public believe in the presence of an intensified entity representing the ‘devil’ only in order to drive TV watchers to accept a unified international leadership for a war against terrorism. The country behind this propaganda is the United States.” – Former British Foreign Secretary, Robin Cook

Today, we might be seeing the same thing with ISIS. Although there are no verified documents like there are when it comes to Al-Qaeda, given what that information shows us, combined with Wikileaks documents and statements from insiders, we could be looking at the same thing.

Not long ago, FBI whistleblower stated that:

“The US is reviving terror scare with ISIS to promote the terror war industry.”

You can read more about that story here (http://www.collective-evolution.com/2014/10/21/u-s-is-reviving-terror-scare-to-promote-the-terror-war-industry-fbi-whistleblower/)

Again, 9/11 is a great example and you can find out more information about that here. (http://www.collective-evolution.com/?s=9%2F11)

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=ac7_1431761932#o8OQceBDm0WbJDMx.99

Shami-Amourae
16th May 2015, 11:43 AM
I've known this for a long time without knowing all the facts. You couldn't tell anyone this around you though. Everyone would think you were nuts.

EE_
16th May 2015, 12:01 PM
The Christian population is the most duped of all. They keep hearing on their beloved Fox News that ISIS is killing Christians...this makes them want war and death on all and any Muslims. They will gladly send each other's sons and daughters (not their own) to die in this phony war for Israel, created by their own Jewish controlled government.
What's even worse, I believe the bible has been subverted by the Jews a long time ago. These phony Christians believe they are worshiping the Jews and will do anything to protect them. They will pay for this ignorance.

Ares
16th May 2015, 12:16 PM
What's even worse, I believe the bible has been subverted by the Jews a long time ago. These phony Christians believe they are worshiping the Jews and will do anything to protect them. They will pay for this ignorance.

Gods chosen people :rolleyes:

gunDriller
17th May 2015, 04:50 AM
The Christian population is the most duped of all. They keep hearing on their beloved Fox News that ISIS is killing Christians...this makes them want war and death on all and any Muslims. They will gladly send each other's sons and daughters (not their own) to die in this phony war for Israel, created by their own Jewish controlled government.
What's even worse, I believe the bible has been subverted by the Jews a long time ago. These phony Christians believe they are worshiping the Jews and will do anything to protect them. They will pay for this ignorance.

perhaps the "Gideon's" bible that they put in motel rooms is an example of the Jew-edited Bible ?


i have the general impression that King James (KJ 1629 ?) version is closer to the real, Jew-free version of the Bible ?

Spectrism
17th May 2015, 05:38 AM
Don't start talking about the bible being perverted and contorted unless you can prove it. The bible makes it very clear who and what the devil's minions are. It is only the false teachers of today who pervert the truth. I can read the bible and see perfectly well that the nation Israel is as anti-Christ as all other nations. And I can see the global controllers playing the games of deception. You throw out the bible and you have abandoned the only life raft available in this sea of sharks.

Ares
17th May 2015, 08:43 AM
Don't start talking about the bible being perverted and contorted unless you can prove it.

Council of Nicea - Voted by committee what to put in the Bible by Emperor Constantine. Not to mention the countless contradictions in the bible.

God good to all, or just a few?

PSA 145:9 The LORD is good to all: and his tender mercies are over all his works.

JER 13:14 And I will dash them one against another, even the fathers and the sons together, saith the LORD: I will not pity, nor spare, nor have mercy, but destroy them.


War or Peace?

EXO 15:3 The LORD is a man of war: the LORD is his name.

ROM 15:33 Now the God of peace be with you all. Amen.

Who is the father of Joseph?

MAT 1:16 And Jacob begat Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus, who is called Christ.

LUK 3:23 And Jesus himself began to be about thirty years of age, being (as was supposed) the son of Joseph, which was the son of Heli.

Is Jesus equal to or lesser than?

JOH 10:30 I and my Father are one.

JOH 14:28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.

Which first--beasts or man?

GEN 1:25 And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
GEN 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

GEN 2:18 And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him.
GEN 2:19 And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof.

How many stalls and horsemen?

1KI 4:26 And Solomon had forty thousand stalls of horses for his chariots, and twelve thousand horsemen.

2CH 9:25 And Solomon had four thousand stalls for horses and chariots, and twelve thousand horsemen; whom he bestowed in the chariot cities, and with the king at Jerusalem.


Is it folly to be wise or not?

PRO 4:7 Wisdom is the principal thing; therefore get wisdom: and with all thy getting get understanding.

ECC 1:18 For in much wisdom is much grief: and he that increaseth knowledge increaseth sorrow.

1CO 1:19: "For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent."

Human vs. ghostly impregnation

ACT 2:30 Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne;

MAT 1:18 Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost.

The sins of the father

ISA 14:21 Prepare slaughter for his children for the iniquity of their fathers; that they do not rise, nor possess the land, nor fill the face of the world with cities.

DEU 24:16 The fathers shall not be put to death for the children, neither shall the children be put to death for the fathers: every man shall be put to death for his own sin.

Whom did they see at the tomb?

MAT 28:2 And, behold, there was a great earthquake: for the angel of the Lord descended from heaven, and came and rolled back the stone from the door, and sat upon it.
MAT 28:3 His countenance was like lightning, and his raiment white as snow:
MAT 28:4 And for fear of him the keepers did shake, and became as dead men.
MAT 28:5 And the angel answered and said unto the women, Fear not ye: for I know that ye seek Jesus, which was crucified.

MAR 16:5 And entering into the sepulchre, they saw a young man sitting on the right side, clothed in a long white garment; and they were affrighted.

LUK 24:4 And it came to pass, as they were much perplexed thereabout, behold, two men stood by them in shining garments:

JOH 20:12 And seeth two angels in white sitting, the one at the head, and the other at the feet, where the body of Jesus had lain.
God change?

MAL 3:6
JAS 1:17
1SA 15:29
JON 3:10
GEN 6:6
Destruction of cities (what said was jeremiah was zechariah)

MAT 27:9 Then was fulfilled that which was spoken by Jeremy the prophet, saying, And they took the thirty pieces of silver, the price of him that was valued, whom they of the children of Israel did value;

ZEC 11:11-13 (Note: There is nothing in Jeremiah remotely like this.)
Whose sepulchers

ACT 7:16
GEN 23:17,18
When second coming?

MAT 24:34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.

MAR 13:30 Verily I say unto you, that this generation shall not pass, till all these things be done.

LUK 21:32 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass away, till all be fulfilled.

(See also 1TH 4:15-18)
Solomon's overseers

1KI 9:23 550
2CH 8:10 250
The mother of Abijah:

2CH 11:20 Maachah the daughter of Absalom

2CH 13:2 Michaiah the daughter of Uriel
When did Baasha die?

1KI 16:6-8 26th year of the reign of Asa

2CH 16:1 36th year of the reign of Asa
How old was Ahaziah when he began to reign?

2KI 8:26 22

2CH 22:2 42
The differences in the census figures of Ezra and Nehemiah.
What was the color of the robe placed on Jesus during his trial?

MAT 27:28 scarlet

JOH 19:2 purple
What did they give him to drink?

MAT 27:34 vinegar

MAR 15:23 wine with myrrh

This is just a handful of the glaring contradictions that are found within the bible. The bible USED to be the word of god. Now it's just another control mechanism used to control those among us who are religious in a different way.

The first people who will voluntarily fight and die for this wretched country and that of Israel are Christians. The controllers use the bible to get voluntary compliance for taxation (render unto Caesar what is Caesars. (never question the purpose apparently)), war, and murder. All the while they do not believe a single word of it and use the masses who do.

I've met plenty of great Christian men and woman living here in the South. But they are hopelessly lost in their delusions of right and wrong.

Heisenberg
17th May 2015, 10:39 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7QG234o3LHA

singular_me
17th May 2015, 11:10 AM
I like her a lot... the problem is what happens to the new testament if one takes down the old one?

the bible holds many universal truths but the fate of all abrahamic religions are so intrinsically linked that if one of them ever falls apart, the others will follow suit.

The christ consciousness is for real and should be cultivated within... but letting go a monopoly will never hurt.




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7QG234o3LHA

EE_
17th May 2015, 12:02 PM
Christ Was Not A Jew

Jesus Christ Was Not A Jew: Does this shock you? We certainly hope it does. For it is time that Christians woke up to the fact that they have been brainwashed by the Jews with the "big lie technique" to the falsehood that Christ was a Jew.

We ask you now, to set aside all prejudice in the matter and as God states in the Bible, "Come let us reason together." (Isaiah 1:18)

There are two ways that a person can be a Jew; racially (which means a cross between the descendants of Esau and True Israelites ‑ There is Edom [Esau is called Edom in Genesis 36:8. And Edom is in 'Modern Jewry' Jewish Encyclopedia, 1925 edition, Vol. 5, p. 41) or religiously. Let us now see whether Christ fits either of these categories.

Ninety‑five percent of the people that we know as Jews today, are mongrels; they are a product of the amalgamation of many races. The majority of the Jews are Asiatics, of Mongolian, stock, the descendants of the tribes of Khazars of Russia who accepted Judaism in 740 A.D.

They are the descendants of Cain; No racial Jew is an Israelite. That's right, we repeat, NO RACIAL JEW IS AN ISRAELITE. The Bible itself identifies the Jews as the seed of Cain thereby identfying Satan as their father. (John 8:44)

Christ said to the Jews, in the 23rd chapter of Matthew, verses 33‑35: "You serpents, you generation (race) of vipers, how can you escape the damnation of hell? Wherefore behold I send you a prophet, wise men and scribes and some of them you shall kill and crucify and some of them yuo shall scourge in your synagogues and persecute them from city to city that upon you may come all the righteous blood that has ever been shed upon the earth from the blood of righteous Abel" (Note that carefully).

Here Christ is saying to the Jews that they are guilty of the murder of Abel. Jesus could not have said this unless the Jews were/are the descendants of Cain. Christ goes on to say: "Unto the blood of Zacharias, son of Brachias who you slew between the temple and the alter." It's very plan! And it's in your Bible.

Christ said to the Jews "You are guilty of the death of righteous Abel because you rfather Cain murdered him." It is also well for you to note here that Jesus further blames these Jews for all the deaths of righteous people from the beginning of time right down to this day. This is not a statement of man but of our Redeem, our King, our Savior.

Christ never lied and spoke only the truth; every word contained in the sixty‑six books of the Bible is the Word of Almighty God. Are the Jews then God's Chosen People as some "fogbound, lying, deceiving, Judeo‑Chrisian Clergy" would have us believe? Far from it! Rather than being God's Chosen People, they are Satan's Children! Let us turn for proof of this, to the eighth chapter of John the 42nd verse. The Jews have just said to Christ, we are God's Chosen People, God is our Father. Christ did not answer the Jews the way ninety‑nine percent of our Judeo‑Christian preachers would do today. Rather, He said in the 42nd vers, "If God were your Father you would love me for I proceeded forth and came from God. Neitherdid I come of myself, but He sent Me. Why is it that you do not understand my speech. It is because yuo cannot hear my words." (Read carefully the 44th verse) where Christ said to the Jews, "Ye are of your father the devil and the lusts of your father you will do. He was a murderer from the beginning and abode not in the truth because there is no truth in him. When he speaks oa lie, he speaks of his own for he is a liar and the father of it."

The Word "Jew"

A Jew is a person whose religion is Jew‑dah‑ism (Judaism). The word Jew is not found in the original texts of the Scriptures, but in many English Bibles the word is an incorrect rendering of the latin word Judaeus, the Greek word Ioudaios, and the Hebrew word Yehudi. Although not found in either the Hebrew or the Greek Scriptures, the word Jew is an English rendering most often incorrectly translated from Yahudah, that is, referring to one belonging to one of the tribes of Israel (Yisrael) called Yahudah (Judah), a Yahudite. The word Jews, the plural of the word Jew, is incorrectly translated most often from the word Yahudim (descendants of the tribe of Yahudah).

The letter 'J' was not in general use until after the 17th century as used in many Bibles for the word 'Jew' to substitute for the correct word Yahudite, or Yahudim. In some English Bibles we have received the word Juda, also an error in translation because the word derives from the Greek Iudaios, which in the English would be Judaios. Judaios was none other then a Greek diety (see W.H. Roscher's lexicon of mythology).

As used in the Scriptures, the word 'Jew' is sometimes translated to refer to a Yudean (Judean) a native or inhabitant (which includes many diverse races and people groups living in the region) of Yudea (Judea). As the word 'American' includes many diverse peoples living in the Country called 'America'. The word very often refers to an advocate or adherent to the religion of the Yahudim, (Judaism), or it may in a few cases refer to a literal descendant of Abraham, Issac, Jacob/Israel, one of the descent of the tribe of Yahudah (Judah).

In present day generic usage, the word has no relationship to the Hebrew or the Greek translated words in the Old or New Covenant Scriptures, and is associated primarily through an adherent or advocate of Jew‑dah‑ism (Judaism) the religion, but not through ethnics or race. Basically, a Jew is anyone who decides to call himself/herself a Jew. Within Jewish Circles, there are two other official ways one can become a Jew. One can be born from a mother who calls herself a Jew, or one can 'convert' to become a Jew. (A convert is called a ger which literally means stranger). Being born a Jew is pretty simple. If one's mother is Jewish (of the Jewish religion) then he/she is considered a Jew, if one's mother is not of the Jewish religion, then neither is the child officially a Jew. (It doesn't matter what the father is).

Modern Jew‑dah‑ism began about 1000 AD, and is traced to Rabbenu Gershon of Mainz, Germany the 'Father' of the Ashkenazi Jews, which constitute approximately 90% of the worlds Jews. Modern Jew‑dah‑ism is not the Scriptural worship system of the Yahudim of the Scriptures.

Jews do not actively encourage conversion; to a large degree they discourage it. This is the reason Jews have never had missionaries trying to convert non‑Jews. They want the convert but the convert must be 100% committed to being a Jew. Discouraging conversion helps to filter out those 'lacking the proper degree' of commitment.

If the non‑Jew still wants to become a Jew, the male is circumcised. After he is healed, he immerses himself in a mikva. A mikva is a special pool of water which is used for many religious purposes in the religion of the Jews. (It must be made according to very specific rules). A female convert only has to immerse herself.

The term 'Jew', has come to be used synonymous with the term 'Israel, Israelite', however, this is error. Scriptural Israelites were never called Jews, (Yahudim), unless they were so associated by their religion. Most modern Jews are not of the tribe of Yahudah (Judah), and are not 'Israelites.' They are called Jew(s) because of their religion, Jew‑dah‑ism (Judaism).

Jew, Ashkenazi (Franco‑German, Eastern and Central European Jews)

After the Northern Kingdom of Israel was conquered by the Assyrian King Shalmaneser V, in 745‑722 BCE, (for their sin before Yahweh), the Israelites were exiled into (Assyria), 2 Kings 17:5‑7. They prospered during the years in Assyria, and became a huge number of people. Outgrowing the land area they eventually migrated North through the 'Caucasus Mountains', and into central and Western Europe forming the European Nations, and are known as Caucasians 'whites.' As these Israelites migrated they influenced many people groups, no longer having an organized religious priesthood, and not having a nation or national identity, these migrating people, descendants of Jacob/Israel nevertheless passed on their bits and pieces of the ancient Scriptural worship system which was corrupted through their many years of captive living in pagan Assyria. During the 7th century A.D. these bits and pieces of the corrupt worship system became a form of Jew‑dah‑ism and was embraced by the Khazar King, his court, and the Khazar military class, who are descendants of Ashkenaz. This new religion of Jew‑dah‑ism, became the religion of the Khazars, and forms most of modern cultic European Jewry.

In common parlance the present day 'Jew' is synonymous with the 'Ashkenazi Khazar Jew'. Scripture refers to the Ashkenaz in Gen. 10:3, and in I Chron. 1:6, as one of the sons of Gomer, who was a son of Japheth, son of Noah. Ashkenaz is also a brother of Togarmah (and a nephew of Magog) who the Kazars, according to King Joseph, (of the Kazars) claimed as their ancestor. The people who refer to themselves as Ashkenazi Jews are not Israelites, and they are not Semites because they do not descend from Noah's son Shem. They are Ashkenazi Khazar Jews, who descend from Noah's son Japheth. Approximately 85‑90 percent of the Jews in the world call themselves Ashkenazi Jews.

Present‑day Jew‑dah‑ism, was formally formed into it's basic cultic form about 1,000 years ago, (according to the Jews), when ‑ Rabbenu Gershon of Mainz, Germany, published a ban on bigamy. This marks the recorded beginning of the Ashkenazi Jews*, and Franco‑German halachic** creativity. The word 'Ashkenazi' is not Hebrew for the word Germany, although the name has become 'associated' with Germany because many Ashkenazi Jews organized in Russia, Eastern Europe and Western Mongolia.

*Ashkenazi ‑ (Franco‑German, Eastern and Central European Jews). **halachic ‑ loose 'interpretations' of Old Testament laws

Jew, Sephardim (Spanish Jews)

After the Northern Kingdom of Israel was conquered by the Assyrian King Shalmaneser V, in 745‑722 BCE, (for their sin before Yahweh), The Israelites were exiled into (Assyria), 2 Kings 17:5‑7. The King then imported people groups from his country (Assyria) to replace the exiled Israelites to maintain and control the land of the exiles. The Sepharvaim were one of these people groups, along with Cuthahites, Arrahites, 2 Kings 17:24. They mingled with each other, along with Edomites, who had migrated Northward from Idumea (field of Edom), after Israel and the Yahudim (Judeans) were exiled. Adad and Anu were ancient gods of Babylonia and were also the gods of these pagan Sepharvaim people. The Sephardim Yudeans (Judeans) are a mongrel people whose descent is directly from a mixture of this Assyrian people group and the remnant of escaped Yudeans (Judeans) along with Edomites who had migrated into the land originally occupied by the Kingdom of Israel and the kingdom of Yahudah (Judah). This made their religion also of mixed character, 2 Kings 17:24‑41.

The people known as "Spanish Jews," are descended from the Canaanites, the people who colonized Carthage. Following its sack by Rome, they adopted this Sepharvaim, or Sephardim name for deceptive purposes and constitute 5% of world Jewry today. The Sephardim Jews speak Latino, a mixture of Spanish and Hebrew. The Sephardim Jews migrated West through Egypt, then North into Spain from Judea and Samaria before, during, and after the destruction of Jerusalem by the Romans in 70 CE,. This migration became known as the "Jewish 'Sephardim' Diaspora". Today, these Sephardim Jews are still using their ancient adopted name Sephardim (the spelling is a transliteration into English and not of significance). They settled in Spain, Portugal, the Eastern Mediterranean, Italy, the Balkans, Salonica and Macedonia, eventually emigrating into France and England, and Western Europe.

The Sepharviam Yudeans (Judeans) were known as Samaritans during the time of Messiah, because they were living in Samaria, which was the area from which Israel was removed by the Assyrian King Shalmaneser V. The twelve apostles during the time if Messiah, were instructed not to enter the cities of the Samaritans, Matt. 10:5. Although the True Israelites of tribal descent, living in Samaria did received the witness of Yahshua and the message of redemption from the apostles, Acts, 1:8. Some of the mixed Samaritans also became proselytes to the Christian faith, Acts 8:4‑25.

The Sephardim Jews, (or Sepharviam Jews) are not of Israelite blood; they are not of the tribe of Yahudah although they were called Yudeans, 'Judeans', as an inhabitant, i.e. person living in the land originally occupied by the tribe of Yahudah of Israel). Their descent is mixed from Edom/Esau Canaanite stock. The Sephardim Jews, like the Ashkenazi Khazar Jews are not a Semitic people. The word Sephardim is not a Hebrew word for Spain, although the name has become 'associated' with Spain because many Sephardim Jews organized in Spain.

Jew‑dah‑ism, (modern 'Judaism')

Jew‑dah‑ism, is a cultic (ritual‑istic) religion which originated approximately 1000 CE, and is traced to Rabbenu Gershon of Mainz Germany through the publishing of his 'halachic creativity' (interpretation of Old Covenant laws), he thereby established the beginning of the modern cultic religion of Jew‑dah‑ism. Today the religion is also greatly influenced by the Babylonian Talmud, an ancient Pagan ritual‑listic system of various extreme opinions, interpretations, codes, rules, and regulations.

The modern cultic religion of Jew‑dah‑ism has nothing in common with the Scriptural Cultic system of worship which was completely destroyed by Messiah as a religious system in 70 CE at the destruction of Yerushalayim (Jerusalem), Herod's Temple, and through the establishment of the New Covenant through Yahshua Messiah. Christianity, as a religious system of Faith, replaced the ancient system of Cultic (ritual‑istic) sacrificial worship.

Jewish

A term incorrectly applied to reflect anything pertaining to a Yahudite, a descendant of the tribe of Yahudah. In common use, the term 'Jewish' is now applied to things pertaining to the Jews. Scriptural accuracy has no bearing on the use of the modern term 'Jewish'.See also the word 'Israel'

http://israelect.com/reference/WillieMartin/ChristNotAJew.htm

Spectrism
17th May 2015, 12:05 PM
Council of Nicea - Voted by committee what to put in the Bible by Emperor Constantine. Not to mention the countless contradictions in the bible.

I believe that the canonization process was flawed- as in not inspired by the Spirit of God. But there are many writings inspired by the Spirit and we would do well to listen to them. Contradictions? Only in time and understanding. When you look at the translational errors and consider things unknown, they begin to evaporate.



God good to all, or just a few?

PSA 145:9 The LORD is good to all: and his tender mercies are over all his works.

JER 13:14 And I will dash them one against another, even the fathers and the sons together, saith the LORD: I will not pity, nor spare, nor have mercy, but destroy them.


Psa 145:8 Jehovah is gracious and merciful, slow to anger and of great mercy;
Psa 145:9 Jehovah is good to all; and His tender mercies are over all His works.

I can be good to my enemy. When my enemy tries to touch my family I will quickly cut them off.
Mercy is extended to all. Those who refuse are beyond mercy. They reject the goodness offered and will be cut off.



War or Peace?

EXO 15:3 The LORD is a man of war: the LORD is his name.

ROM 15:33 Now the God of peace be with you all. Amen.


Same as above. All who submit to the one true God will find peace. Allah comes along with the same offer but Allah does not ever offer peace beyond words. You have a choice. Choose truth and mercy with wonderful consequences or choosea false god.



Who is the father of Joseph?

MAT 1:16 And Jacob begat Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus, who is called Christ.

LUK 3:23 And Jesus himself began to be about thirty years of age, being (as was supposed) the son of Joseph, which was the son of Heli.

There is a line through the father and a line through the mother. This is a simple custom of family trees. Those who are outside observers saw an child "adopted" as of the two parents. Joseph was the step-father of Yahshuah.



Is Jesus equal to or lesser than?

JOH 10:30 I and my Father are one.

JOH 14:28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.


The writer of these attacks on the bible knows nothing about authority chains... or was just using guile to mislead the simple.


Which first--beasts or man?


GEN 1:25 And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
GEN 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

GEN 2:18 And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him.
GEN 2:19 And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof.

This is getting stupid. It is a matter of translational tense that appears to be off. An unbeliever will not believe no matter what proof is provided.



How many stalls and horsemen?

1KI 4:26 And Solomon had forty thousand stalls of horses for his chariots, and twelve thousand horsemen.

2CH 9:25 And Solomon had four thousand stalls for horses and chariots, and twelve thousand horsemen; whom he bestowed in the chariot cities, and with the king at Jerusalem.


Where and when? In Jerusalem at the time of 2 chronicles that was true. But did that cover all of Israel? Of course not!



Is it folly to be wise or not?

PRO 4:7 Wisdom is the principal thing; therefore get wisdom: and with all thy getting get understanding.

ECC 1:18 For in much wisdom is much grief: and he that increaseth knowledge increaseth sorrow.

1CO 1:19: "For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent."


Oh my. I can see the one who wrote these is blind to spiritual things. They make perfect sense to me. One who hates God will hate His words.



Human vs. ghostly impregnation

ACT 2:30 Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne;

MAT 1:18 Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost.


So the God who created man out of mud cannot provide the perfect sinless sperm to join with a human female?




The sins of the father

ISA 14:21 Prepare slaughter for his children for the iniquity of their fathers; that they do not rise, nor possess the land, nor fill the face of the world with cities.

DEU 24:16 The fathers shall not be put to death for the children, neither shall the children be put to death for the fathers: every man shall be put to death for his own sin.


Genetic traits are commonly understood today. They pass on certain advantages and hindrances to the children. Wisdom here show that the sin nature of man is given by the father. And it makes sense that Messiah had no human- fallen father, but the Spirit of God.

I am tired and prefer not to go on with this rebutting of lies from the devil. Believe what you want. you will anyway.

Ares
18th May 2015, 06:27 AM
I believe that the canonization process was flawed- as in not inspired by the Spirit of God. But there are many writings inspired by the Spirit and we would do well to listen to them. Contradictions? Only in time and understanding. When you look at the translational errors and consider things unknown, they begin to evaporate.

History has shown that whenever anything has been inspired by man, it's done for a specific purpose and 99.999% of the time its for misdirection or other purposes we are not made aware of.

Like I have said many many times on here and else where. If the bible was the literal word of god then that word would be universal and would NOT be dependent upon man to spread his word and as history has shown spread at the end of a sword.

Yes I will believe what I want too, as will you. The creator gave us free will, I choose to exercise it the way I see fit. Just as you choose to exercise yours as you see fit.

Spectrism
18th May 2015, 06:41 AM
History has shown that whenever anything has been inspired by man, it's done for a specific purpose and 99.999% of the time its for misdirection or other purposes we are not made aware of.

Like I have said many many times on here and else where. If the bible was the literal word of god then that word would be universal and would NOT be dependent upon man to spread his word and as history has shown spread at the end of a sword.

Yes I will believe what I want too, as will you. The creator gave us free will, I choose to exercise it the way I see fit. Just as you choose to exercise yours as you see fit.

The fallen nature of mankind is good evidence to the validity of the biblical account. That mankind taints everything and seeks to serve self is quite clear. But if God is the all-powerful true one, then He has the ability to send truth and purity into the dark places of man. He keeps Himself pure, perfectly righteous and holding all things to perfect judgment. And in His mercy He provided an escape from this death by providing the perfect payment for our corruption.

Are the writings in the bibles (many translations and many "copyrights" for money changers) necessary for salvation? No. They didn't exist in the first century when many hundreds of thoudands believed and were saved. And He provided His Spirit as our guide. He did not obliterate our free will. We still make bad choices even if we think we are doing well. Wouldn't the true God know that and provide the Way for all those who would have it?

Still, He chose man- His assembly- to spread the gospel. Why? It was by man that this world had fallen and it must be by man that the world, at least parts of it, are recovered. The devil tricked man now man must stand against the devil. It is the ultimate test.

And what man leaves others in a house set ablaze? Do we ignore the plight of the inhabitants?

mick silver
18th May 2015, 01:19 PM
but but we are winning the war on Terrorist , with just a few hundred more trillion I know we can win ... I know we can . I know we can . I know we can win ... don't this sound like the shit coming out of DC

Spectrism
18th May 2015, 03:17 PM
but but we are winning the war on Terrorist , with just a few hundred more trillion I know we can win ... I know we can . I know we can . I know we can win ... don't this sound like the shit coming out of DC

The willing corruption in DC shows it is owned by the devil's minions. False flags would be just the deception to get people to do the wrong things.