Nine Dead After Biker Gang Shootout In Waco, Texas, Restaurant

[Shami-Amourae]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zft_JYm0tjQ

http://www.ibtimes.com/trouble-twin-peaks-nine-dead-after-biker-gang-shootout-waco-texas-restaurant-1926086

UPDATE: 6:14 p.m. EDT: A total of 18 people were injured with two transferred to the hospital in a street fight in Waco, Texas, in which nine people died, KCEN-TV, Waco, reported. Previous reports suggested no bystanders had been injured in the fight and only members of the two biker gangs involved in the fracas sustained injuries. The names of the people injured were not immediately released.

Nine people are dead and several are injured after an apparent fight among members of two rival biker gangs at the Twin Peaks Restaurant in Waco, Texas, turned into a shootout Sunday afternoon.
“A lot of innocent people could’ve been hurt today,” police told local reporter Grant Hermes, who tweeted (https://twitter.com/GrantHermesTV/status/600038536440455168) the statement. “There may have been more that could’ve been done by a business.” Guns weren’t the only part of the fight, according to a report from KCEN-TV (http://www.kcentv.com/story/29086186/fatal-shooting-at-central-texas-marketplace), Waco, which reported combatants also used chains, knives, bats and clubs as well as firearms.
Local police say several people were killed during the fight that started around noon inside the restaurant and later spread to the parking lot. One person was pronounced dead at the hospital. The melee occurred as other patrons were eating lunch outside at the nearby Don Carlos Mexican Restaurant.



BREAKING: Shooting at Twin Peaks Restaurant in Waco. Police say it's between 2 motorcycle gangs.
— Kristianna Gross (@KXXV_Kristianna) May 17, 2015

(https://twitter.com/KXXV_Kristianna/status/599998968249061377)

“We crouched down in front of our pick-up truck because that was the only cover we had,” said one man who had just finished eating lunch with his family when the gunfire broke out, according to KWTX-TV (http://www.kwtx.com/home/headlines/Waco-Shooting-Near-Twin-Peaks-In-Waco-304043711.html), Waco.
No officers were reported injured though police did say they were on the scene when shooting started. Police said the area is now secure, but warned (http://www.kcentv.com/story/29086186/fatal-shooting-at-central-texas-marketplace) residents to avoid it.
"Please avoid the Central Texas Market Place as the area is NOT safe," the Waco Police Department wrote on its Facebook page Sunday evening. "Officers are continuing to arrest individuals coming to the scene with weapons. This is not the time to sight see as we are dealing with very dangerous individuals."




Please avoid the Central Texas Market Place. Officers are working a shooting at Twin Peaks and the area is not safe.
#WacoPolice (@WacoPolice) May 17, 2015

(https://twitter.com/WacoPolice/status/600018932792037376)


Some officials in the area said they have feared trouble at Twin Peaks for some time. McLennan County District Attorney Abel Reyna had previously told local reporters (http://www.kwtx.com/home/headlines/Waco-Shooting-Near-Twin-Peaks-In-Waco-304043711.html) the restaurant was a concern, especially on Thursdays, the restaurant's weekly "Biker Night."


Police had known that the gangs were meeting at the restaurant and were on the scene when the fight occurred, the Associated Press reported. (http://www.chron.com/news/texas/article/Multiple-injuries-reported-from-Texas-biker-gang-6269297.php)

[palani]

I like biking. So peaceful. So quiet on the road. The fresh air. Sunlight. Freedom.

Hours of boredom punctuated by these moments of pure TERROR!!!!

[Dogman]

I am fairly certain that all the scooter trash were in Waco for the Brazos Biker Bash!

http://www.brazosbikerbash.com/

Some groups are highly explosive around each other and can detonate over nothing.

[Hitch]

Took a bit to find, but reports say it was the Banditos MC and the Cossaks MC fighting. They say both gangs have re enforcements coming from all over to Texas to battle it out again.

This is far from over.

http://beforeitsnews.com/alternative/2015/05/biker-war-erupts-in-waco-texas-9-dead-18-wounded-reinforcements-arriving-to-continue-battle-from-across-the-state-3157118.html

Summary:

• 10 dead
• 24 injured (2 extremely critical)
• 2-5 bike gangs
• 200+ bikers
• 100+ guns recovered

A biker gang war has erupted in Waco, Texas. A shootout at the Twin Peaks Restaurant in Waco, Texas has left 9 bikers dead and a further 18 wounded. Dozens of police are now holding all the bikers there at gunpoint. The gangs used guns, knives, chains, clubs and bats in the brawl. Word has it that reinforcements for both sides are arriving in the area from all over the state of Texas. The 2 gangs involved were the Bandidos MC and Cossacks MC.

[midnight rambler]

I wonder how many bikers ended up getting shot by the cops 'cause they wouldn't drop their guns quick enough when the cops drew down on 'em.

[Hitch]

The restaurant the fight began at, Twin Peaks...

Hmm.

7562

[midnight rambler]

I am fairly certain that all the scooter trash were in Waco for the Brazos Biker Bash!

http://www.brazosbikerbash.com/

Some groups are highly explosive around each other and can detonate over nothing.

The Brazos Biker Bash is three months out, not now. The RoT Rally is happening next month. I take it that the Brazos Biker Bash is the XXX rated version of the RoT rally.

http://www.rotrally.com/

[Glass]

so the restaurant has a regular biker night? Sounds like it is popular.

I just want to check, this was an actual thing?

[midnight rambler]

so the restaurant has a regular biker night? Sounds like it is popular.

I just want to check, this was an actual thing?

Apparently the management of that Twin Peaks is not very bright.

[Glass]

apparently


Preliminary findings indicate a dispute broke out in a bathroom and then spilled into the restaurant, where it escalated to include knives and firearms.
Police say there were 150 to 200 gang members inside the restaurant, part of a national chain that features scantily clad waitresses.

Police were aware of the meeting in advance, and at least 12 Waco officers in addition to state troopers were outside the restaurant when the fight began.

Swanton said that the restaurant's operators were also aware of the meeting in advance and would not cooperate with authorities.

"Apparently the management (of Twin Peaks) wanted them here and so we didn't have any say-so on whether they could be here or not," Swanton said.

Three armed gang members were later arrested when they attempted to enter the shooting scene to retaliate against rival members, he said.

link (https://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/world/a/28062933/us-biker-shootout-kills-9-injures-18/)

[monty]

Apparently the management of that Twin Peaks is not very bright.

Another possibility is the managment of that Twin Peaks is affiliated with one of the gangs since they were aware of the meetings and wouldn't co-operate with authorities.

[EE_]

So there were 3 MC's and one 'gang' in blue there in the shoot out.
The Bandidos are 1%ers

What Biker Gangs Were Involved in the Waco, Texas Shootout?
Published 8:39 pm EDT, May 17, 2015 Updated 9:59 pm EDT, May 17, 2015

A Waco police officer leads a biker away from the scene of a shooting that left at least 9 dead and several others wounded. (Waco Police photo)

Police say at least 5 biker gangs were involved in a bloody shootout with each other and police in the parking lot of a Waco, Texas restaurant on Sunday that left at least 9 dead and 18 wounded.

The biker gangs haven’t been publicly identified, but photos and video from the scene show the bikers “flying their colors.” Three gangs have been observed there, the Cossacks Motorcycle Club, the Scimitars Motorcycle Club and the Bandidos Motorcycle Club.

Law enforcement sources told the Waco Tribune that the Cossacks and the Bandidos were at the center of the incident.

The Scimitars could be seen among the Cossacks during the aftermath of the shooting.

The rivalry between the Cossacks and the Bandidos in Texas goes back to at least 2013.

According to the BigCountryHomePage.com, the president of the Abilene, Texas chapter of the Bandidos, Curtis Jack Lewis, was arrested in November 2013 on charges that he stabbed two members of the Cossacks during a fight outside a restaurant.

The Waco police department’s spokesman, Sgt. Patrick Swanton, was clear about who the bikers are after a reporter said one of the bikers claimed that they are clubs, not gangs.

Members of the Bandidos Motorcycle Club were among 5 gangs involved in a shootout in Waco, Texas that left 9 dead and 18 injured.

“They are a biker gang. We know exactly who they are,” Swanton said at a televised news conference. “A bunch of criminal element biker members that came to Waco and tried to instill violence into our community and unfortunately did just that.”

“This is not a bunch of doctors and dentists and lawyers riding Harleys,” he said. “These are criminals on Harley-Davidsons.”

Police said there were at least 100 bikers at the scene and at least five gangs involved. Swanton said the argument started over a parking issue.

More than 100 weapons were recovered at the scene.

The restaurant, Twin Peaks, had been known as a hot spot for bikers, and police had asked for help in controlling the issue, but said the restaurant’s local management was cooperative.

Watch video below of the Cossacks motorcycle club in Waco in September 2014:
http://heavy.com/news/2015/05/what-biker-gangs-were-involved-in-waco-texas-shootout-banditos-scimitars-cossacks-motorcycle-club-gang-shooting-victims-rivals-photos-video-gang-names/

[Cebu_4_2]

Harley-Davidsons

Blatant attack of an Americana company.

Just MSM propaganda.

[Hitch]

This is big news, the worst MC gang fight in history. Much worse than the bikie massacre in Milperra, Australia.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/waco-shootout-worst-motorcycle-gang-violence-article-1.2225944

[midnight rambler]

Classic biker fight...what I found interesting about this movie is that the cops show up at one point and tell the bikers, "You're all coming down to the station with us for questioning" at which point all of the bikers voluntarily and peacefully crammed into the police cars without being forced to or even restrained with handcuffs.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wwB_Mrnwr_8

[Alcibiades]

$10 says that angel dust was involved.

[Glass]

This is big news, the worst MC gang fight in history. Much worse than the bikie massacre in Milperra, Australia.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/waco-shootout-worst-motorcycle-gang-violence-article-1.2225944

The event was a catalyst for significant changes to gun laws in New South Wales.

This was why I asked if this was a real thing. We have had regular media blitz's on "Outlaw Motorcycle Gangs" and it has ramped up just recently. They are using biker incidents to implement laws that limit people associating with other people. They claim it is targeted at motorcycle gangs but it applies to everyone. They have also been saying that the "Gangs" are not actually into motorcycles any more and are just crime gangs. They are using the motorcycle theme as cover apparently.

Not unlike the police I guess, who use policing as a cover for drug trafficking.

[midnight rambler]

Another possibility is the managment of that Twin Peaks is affiliated with one of the gangs since they were aware of the meetings and wouldn't co-operate with authorities.

And in which case I still assert that the management of that Twin Peaks is not very bright.

[Tumbleweed]

Another possibility is the managment of that Twin Peaks is affiliated with one of the gangs since they were aware of the meetings and wouldn't co-operate with authorities.

That would be my guess too. A few years ago when I was driving truck I'd get up and go pick up a load between 1 and 2 am. I'd have to drive past a strip joint to pick up my load. The area was always crawling with cops and they were always busy at closing time.

The strip joint was owned by members of one of the gangs mentioned here in this article. I'd heard some pretty negative things about the goings on there and I steered clear of the place. So I'm guessing this place where they had the shoot out was biker club owned. As long as no innocents were harmed I'd let them fight it out to the finish and get their quarrel settled.

[midnight rambler]

Local teevee news is reporting that armed bikers turned their guns on cops and cops and bikers got into a gun battle with each other.

[Tumbleweed]

Local teevee news is reporting that armed bikers turned their guns on cops and cops and bikers got into a gun battle with each other.

If that's the case the bikers are going to have to do a lot more practicing with their guns.

[Glass]

so does this mean the dead were killed by police?

[midnight rambler]

so does this mean the dead were killed by police?

Unclear at this time, but my guess is definitely some were if they engaged the cops who had ARs and other long arms (saw a photo of one cop with a FN P90)

[midnight rambler]

First 40 seconds of video report linked below tells of shootout between cops and bikers -

http://kxan.com/2015/05/17/fatal-shooting-at-twin-peaks-in-waco/

[Glass]

yeah ok. so 9 people murdered by police then.


While five different gangs are believed to be involved in the fight, officers on scene said it appeared some of the gangs appeared to be in alliance with one another.

When the po po turned up and opened fire?? Not too surprising.

[midnight rambler]

yeah ok. so 9 people murdered by police then.



When the po po turned up and opened fire??

Unlikely. The cops probably saved a lot of lives by immediately taking out anyone (that wasn't in the gang with the badges) discharging a gun in the area.

[midnight rambler]

More info from local station, very informative report. I'm thinking the Bandidos were the instigators.

http://www.kwtx.com/home/headlines/Waco-Shooting-Near-Twin-Peaks-In-Waco-304043711.html

[gunDriller]

$10 says that angel dust was involved.

it would be interesting to hear all the Drugs and all the Calibers that were used.

[Dogman]

Just announced that 192 arrest warrants have been issued so far.

[BrewTech]

http://freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=176897

Ladies and Gentlemen, today we wish to reflect on the horrible incident in Waco Texas this last weekend, the murder of nine and the injury of eighteen more. In retrospect we can see a single common denominator of this vicious act of wanton murder. I'm speaking of course of the Harley Davidson motor cycle.


Many weapons were used at Waco, but every one of those criminals rode a Harley. The Harley Davidson motorcycle therefore is the problem. If we think back on every single act of motorcycle gang violence in our country for over a century, we see that in every incident the perpetrators rode a Harley Davidson motorcycle. To any thinking person the solution is simple, ban Harley Davidson motorcycles.


Anyone can see that no one needs one-hundred and two cubic inches of motor as many of these motorcycles of mass destruction have. Motors that large are not needed to commute to ones every day job, or pick up groceries at your local supermarket. Motors that size can only be good for one thing, inciting murder and mayhem in our streets.

Banning them therefore, must be done for our children's sake. What would happen if these monster motorcycles are allowed to continue on the highways, streets, and roads of America? It will be a disaster. Men, women, and children cowering in terror as these mammoth motorcycles roam the cities and villages of America causing wanton destruction. Blood will run in our streets.

Now we don't want to ban all motorcycles, just these Harley Davidsons. We don't care if you want a Honda, or a Kawasaki, or even a Vespa motorscooter. These have a purpose. Hondas are ridden in almost all motocrosses. Kawasakis are also well represented in sports. Harley's have no sporting purpose. They're too big and loud to run a motocross, or a trials race. They can't compete, they have no use except terrorizing innocent people.


Now we realize how difficult it will be to ban these monsters outright. So what we propose is tapered ban. To that end we have partnered with your local supermarket to have a Harley Davidson buy back program. We will give a one-hundred dollar gift certificate for rich, healthy organic food to anyone turning in a Harley Davidson motorcycle, no questions asked.


We don't care if it's a brand new two thousand sixteen V-Rod Harley, or an old nineteen sixty-one pan head. Bring it in and get your certificate. We'll even give you the gift certificate if you bring in a 1930s Harley Davidson knuckle head engine that is not running! We need desperately to rid our nation of this plague.

We are also today asking Senators Diane Banstein and Upchuck Scummer to immediately introduce legislation to permanently ban these horrible machines in our nation.
A march will be held in Washington D.C. on July 12 led by a motorcade of Vespa motorscooters and Honda mopeds to demonstrate our commitment to ridding ourselves of this menace. Please join us. And please donate to our cause. Our website is www.ban-all-scary-things.dum

[Dogman]

The Waco twin peaks restaurant has just lost its national franchise, so it should be history soon.

http://www.kcentv.com/story/29092795/twin-peaks-corporate-revokes-waco-franchise

[Cebu_4_2]

The Waco twin peaks restaurant has just lost its national franchise, so it should be history soon.

http://www.kcentv.com/story/29092795/twin-peaks-corporate-revokes-waco-franchise

==============================

WACO -- Twin Peaks corporate has revoked the franchise agreement for the restaurant in Waco.

Twin Peaks issued this statement on Monday morning:

We are in the people business and the safety of the employees and guests in our restaurants is priority one. Unfortunately the management team of the franchised restaurant in Waco chose to ignore the warnings and advice from both the police and our company, and did not uphold the high security standards we have in place to ensure everyone is safe at our restaurants. We will not tolerate the actions of this relatively new franchisee and are immediately revoking their franchise agreement. Our sympathies continue to be with the families of those who died and are very thankful no employees, guests, police officers or bystanders were hurt or injured.

Just earlier in the day, the Texas Alcohol Beverage Commission issued a seven-day suspension (http://www.kcentv.com/story/29086186/fatal-shooting-at-central-texas-marketplace) for the restaurant's license, and the restaurant would have been closed for a week.

Sergeant Patrick Swanton with the Waco Police Department said the shooting could have been avoided (http://www.kcentv.com/story/29087161/waco-pd-deadly-brawl-could-have-been-avoided) if Twin Peaks management had cooperated with their police department. He stated that his department warned the restaurant about biker gangs months ago, but the restaurant declined to take action.

[Cebu_4_2]

What was the management going to do, turn the bikers away? Close for the evening when they saw bikers rolling in? What would the cops have done, stood guard at the door?

Another article posted above says that management did cooperate with police...

[Dogman]

What was the management going to do, turn the bikers away? Close for the evening when they saw bikers rolling in? What would the cops have done, stood guard at the door?

Another article posted above says that management did cooperate with police... Don't know, do know up the road was the harley shop and a hooters. Plus they all were on a near direct shot to and from the bikers rally/meet being held in axtell tx up the road. Which is why I suspect is why the biker clubs summit was being held. That entire area was/is bandit territory.

[madfranks]

What was the management going to do, turn the bikers away? Close for the evening when they saw bikers rolling in? What would the cops have done, stood guard at the door?

Another article posted above says that management did cooperate with police...

Somebody's got to pay, the restaurant owners simply got stuck in the crosshairs.

[Dogman]

Somebody's got to pay, the restaurant owners simply got stuck in the crosshairs.

One thing that history has taught, the killings have only just began and a MC war started.

There will be some thinning out done.

[Glass]

Do you think the groups were just eating there or were they there for a "meeting of the minds"? Some one got angry but not the way it was reported? Or none of them got angry and something else happened? If the cops were firing that would be because they came under fire wouldn't it?

[Dogman]

One wrong word, said in the wrong place could have set it off!

Between some of those riders/clubs feelings go beyond hate even at the best of times! Especially when color's are being worn in Texas unless you are a bandido you do not wear a Texas rocker your back, and the Texas Cossack MC, did !

Instant war !

http://www.wfaa.com/story/news/crime/2015/05/18/bulletin-tensions-bandidos-cossacks-rival-biker-gangs-texas/27531291/

[mick silver]

looks like anyone who own a HD is a bad person now .... what a load of shit . I like to ride and be left alone with my thought at times ... I'm speaking of course of the Harley Davidson motor cycle.


Many weapons were used at Waco, but every one of those criminals rode a Harley. The Harley Davidson motorcycle therefore is the problem. If we think back on every single act of motorcycle gang violence in our country for over a century, we see that in every incident the perpetrators rode a Harley Davidson motorcycle. To any thinking person the solution is simple, ban Harley Davidson motorcycles.

[Dogman]

looks like anyone who own a HD is a bad person now .... what a load of shit . I like to ride and be left alone with my thought at times ... I'm speaking of course of the Harley Davidson motor cycle.


Many weapons were used at Waco, but every one of those criminals rode a Harley. The Harley Davidson motorcycle therefore is the problem. If we think back on every single act of motorcycle gang violence in our country for over a century, we see that in every incident the perpetrators rode a Harley Davidson motorcycle. To any thinking person the solution is simple, ban Harley Davidson motorcycles.

Or degrade the harley by banning one cylinder on the engine ! ;)

But then you would have a very dangerously named motorcycle called the "Harley Thumper" !

;)

[madfranks]

looks like anyone who own a HD is a bad person now .... what a load of shit . I like to ride and be left alone with my thought at times ... I'm speaking of course of the Harley Davidson motor cycle.


Many weapons were used at Waco, but every one of those criminals rode a Harley. The Harley Davidson motorcycle therefore is the problem. If we think back on every single act of motorcycle gang violence in our country for over a century, we see that in every incident the perpetrators rode a Harley Davidson motorcycle. To any thinking person the solution is simple, ban Harley Davidson motorcycles.

The whole "blame the Harley Davidson bike" thing was a joke.

[Dogman]

It is ?

Oh snap !

Imagine that !

;)

[Tumbleweed]

The whole "blame the Harley Davidson bike" thing was a joke.

I've read that Harley Davidson is owned by Jews so blaming the motorcycles would probably be anti-semitic and upsetting to Jews. :-)

[Jewboo]

http://mayhemandmuse.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/cop-pats-down-biker-dog-funny-picture-photo-thats-life-humr-street-gang.jpg

Apparently he started it by sniffing the butt of a rival gang chick









Seriously...the photos of the arrested "gang" members depict really stoopid losers. Maybe 32 teeth between them.


:(??

[Shami-Amourae]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=24aP4mqDDvs

[Dogman]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=24aP4mqDDvs Bad audio, but besides that if he told that to their faces,

They would tear off his head and shit in his neck then stuff his head into a place the sun does not shine !

[BrewTech]

One thing that history has taught, the killings have only just began and a MC war started.

There will be some thinning out done.
Until proven otherwise, this is just another bullshit psyop. If it's a media-worthy event that involves multiple gun-related deaths, it's probably an engineered event. After all, the goal is to disarm the public, and that hasn't changed.

How come the deaths in war are never breathlessly reported by the media? They have guns too!

[Dogman]

Until proven otherwise, this is just another bullshit psyop. If it's a media-worthy event that involves multiple gun-related deaths, it's probably an engineered event. After all, the goal is to disarm the public, and that hasn't changed.

How come the deaths in war are never breathlessly reported by the media? They have guns too! What ever you say or believe doc. I happen to know some local bandits that I used to rub elbows with back in my free rider/independent scooter days that are in the longview chapter that we still have contact and they sure in the hell believe it is real.

Carry on citizen !

[Hitch]

Until proven otherwise, this is just another bullshit psyop. If it's a media-worthy event that involves multiple gun-related deaths, it's probably an engineered event. After all, the goal is to disarm the public, and that hasn't changed.

If engineered, where are the gun grabbers? Where is Obama? Where is Al Sharpton? If they engineered this, it was an epic fail. There was no token black guy victim. They could have at least had a little girl die, so the media could go nuts and go after guns.

Not one bystander or innocent citizen was killed. You really have to give the bikers credit for that one, they fought each other, and nobody else got hurt or killed. Plus, this incident makes the cops look like hero's. When is the last time that happened? There is no rioting in Waco because of "evil cops".

I think this was a real event not engineered by .gov. Give it a day or two, then TPTB will decide how to make this crisis "not go to waste". You'll get an agenda my friend, just be a little more patient.

[EE_]

Sure would like to know how many cop bullets are lodged in bikers bodies, dead and still alive?
You're not hearing any statements from the clubs side of the story.
Supposedly the cops were ready for this fight, so it may be possible they did most of the killing?

[Dogman]

Sure would like to know how many cop bullets are lodged in bikers bodies, dead and still alive?
You're not hearing any statements from the clubs side of the story.
Supposedly the cops were ready for this fight, so it may be possible they did most of the killing?

Some numbers are saying 4 riders were taken out by the pigs.

Side note: All that have been arrested and charged are under a 1 million dollar bond !

[EE_]

Some numbers are saying 4 riders were taken out by the pigs.

Side note: All that have been arrested and charged are under a 1 million dollar bond !

So maybe a dozen others were shot by cops and lived?

I think the 1%er club members have a good idea. This may be the start of something even bigger, if this is the case. A lot of these guys are combat Vets and are no stranger to killing the enemy.
Can you say ambush?...I knew that you could...one by one

[Dogman]

So maybe a dozen others were shot cops and lived?

I think the 1%er club members have a good idea. This may be the start of something even bigger, if this is the case. A lot of these guys are combat Vets and are no stranger to killing the enemy.
Can you say ambush?...I knew that you could...one by one

The club war will be like that, picking each other off one by one and out of the blue strikes.

Have not heard of any citizen injuries or any pigs hit, seems all the damage was club to club and rider to rider.

If any citizens were harmed so far not a wispier or peep about it.

[Hitch]

The club war will be like that, picking each other one by one and out of the blue strikes.

Have not heard of any citizen injuries or any pigs hit, seems all the damage was club to club and rider to rider.

If any citizens were harmed so far not a wispier or peep about it.

So basically, this isn't over yet. It would suck to be a cop down in Waco, that's for sure. Or any part of Texas.

[midnight rambler]

So basically, this isn't over yet. It would suck to be a cop down in Waco, that's for sure. Or any part of Texas.

At this point if any bikers hurt a single cop rest assured that the gang with the badges WILL set an example with an iron fist, just like what happened with the Branch Davidians. As one LEO told me shortly after Mt. Carmel got burned to the ground, "They thumbed their nose at law enforcement and we're just not going to allow that to happen."

[EE_]

Edit:

At this point if any bikers "get caught" hurting a single cop rest assured that the gang with the badges WILL set an example with an iron fist, just like what happened with the Branch Davidians. As one LEO told me shortly after Mt. Carmel got burned to the ground, "They thumbed their nose at law enforcement and we're just not going to allow that to happen."

[BrewTech]

Plus, this incident makes the cops look like hero's. When is the last time that happened?

Exactly my point. The cops in general are suffering some serious PR problems as of late. Even the sleeping sheep are beginning to see them for what they really are, a well-organized street gang. "Keeping us safe from the spooky terrists" isn't exactly working anymore, so why not contrast them with "bad" gangs? Even the management at Twin Peaks was quoted as referring to them as "the awesome Waco police", in spite of the fact we were told they were not willing to cooperate with them to avoid an obvious potential issue.

I agree with you that real or engineered, this "crisis" will very likely not go to waste.

[monty]

Dog man nailed it. These guys are for real, they have turf wars, they don't shoot bystanders or cops.

[Hitch]

Exactly my point. The cops in general are suffering some serious PR problems as of late. Even the sleeping sheep are beginning to see them for what they really are, a well-organized street gang. "Keeping us safe from the spooky terrists" isn't exactly working anymore, so why not contrast them with "bad" gangs? Even the management at Twin Peaks was quoted as referring to them as "the awesome Waco police", in spite of the fact we were told they were not willing to cooperate with them to avoid an obvious potential issue.

I agree with you that real or engineered, this "crisis" will very likely not go to waste.

That's a great point. LE definitely needs a public "atta boy" pat on the back, great job, en lifting image.

Saving the public from a big bad biker battle definitely qualifies, especially since no citizens were harmed. Hmm...something to think about.

[Hitch]

Dog man nailed it. These guys are for real, they have turf wars, they don't shoot bystanders or cops.

This is true, but who benefited from this war? LE. Public image, and all MC's will pay the price, media wise that is.

[midnight rambler]

Edit:

Don't you think that the very first instance of a cop being hurt by 'an unknown assailant' that the first direction they're going to take their investigation is toward the biker gangs?

[EE_]

Don't you think that the very first instance of a cop being hurt by 'an unknown assailant' that the first direction they're going to take their investigation is toward the biker gangs?

Leave evidence of black/mexican gangs?

Why you making this hard on me :)

[Shami-Amourae]

Moar videos:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDIDr8MJTbc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q98C-JYXftA

[midnight rambler]

Leave evidence of black/mexican gangs?

Why you making this hard on me :)

They will throw so many resources at the incident that it's doubtful they will be misled for long.

[midnight rambler]

Moar videos:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDIDr8MJTbc

I see that at the end of that video the Waco PD has 'em a kewl MRAP.

[Ares]

Looks like it was an ambush.

The Waco Police Massacre

This story was published on May 17 and corrected on May 18 as follows: No members of the Sons of the South Motorcycle Club were at the event. The Aging Rebel regrets the error.

A shoving match in a bathroom at a Confederation of Clubs meeting in Waco, Texas exploded into a war yesterday. Nine people were killed, 27 people were injured, 17 were hospitalized, two are listed in critical condition, and 160 men were arrested following a brawl at a chain restaurant in a shopping center on the South Jack Kultgen Espressway.

The fight resulted from a long simmering dispute between members of the Bandidos Motorcycle Club and the Cossacks and the Scimitars Motorcycle Clubs. Curtis Jack Lewis, president of the Abilene chapter of the Bandidos, and Wesley Dale Mason, the chapters’ sergeant at arms, were accused of stabbing two Cossacks outside Logan’s Roadhouse in Abilene in November 2013. The two Bandidos were charged with aggravated assault in March 2014. The Scimitars are in the process of patching over to the Cossacks.

Other clubs in attendance at the Sunday brunch included the Blackett Arms MC, Gypsy MC, HonorBound Motorcycle Ministry, Renatus MC, Escondidos MC, Los Pirados MC, Leathernecks MC, Vietnam Vets/Legacy Vets MC, In Country MC and the Tornado Motorcycle Club.

All of the arrestees are being charged under Title 11, Section 71.02, a draconian Texas law titled “Engaging in Organized Criminal Activity.” According to that law, “A person commits an offense if, with the intent to establish, maintain, or participate in a combination or in the profits of a combination or as a member of a criminal street gang, the person commits or conspires to commit one or more of” most of the acts that are illegal in Texas: Including possession of small amounts of marijuana, transporting a firearm, and possession of banned weapons like brass knuckles and butterfly knives. Police seized about a hundred weapons at the crime scene

Sergeant Patrick Swanton, a spokesman for the Waco Police Department, called the attendees. “A bunch of criminal element biker members that came to Waco and tried to instill violence into our community and unfortunately did just that…. This is not a bunch of doctors and dentists and lawyers riding Harleys. These are criminals on Harley-Davidsons.”
The Restaurant Did It

The Texas Region One COC and Independents meeting was scheduled to begin at one p.m. The fight began about 12:15. Local police had urged the restaurant, a Hooters knock-off called Twin Peaks, to refuse service to bikers. Waco police claim the violence could have prevented if Jay Patel, the operating partner at the independently owned Waco franchise, had simply banned the Confederation of Clubs from meeting there. In a statement Sunday, Patel said “our management team had had ongoing and positive communications with the police.”

Sergeant Swanton said, “What occurred here today is the worst-case scenario when a business owner puts profit over human lives. It’s sad. This could have all been avoided.”

The restaurant has been sponsoring a bike night on Thursdays. Local police have been trying to convince the management to stop that, too. It is legal in Texas, as it is in most states, to ban the display of motorcycle club patches in public establishments. “They were aware that there were issues here,” Swanton said. “It was local management here. We told them of the issues, we tried to get assistance in reference to dealing with these crowds but they would not cooperate.”

Today, Front Burner Restaurants, which owns the Twin Peaks chain, announced it was cancelling the Waco restaurant’s franchise agreement.

“We are in the people business and the safety of the employees and guests in our restaurants is priority one,” the announcement said.

“Unfortunately the management team of the franchised restaurant in Waco chose to ignore the warnings and advice from both the police and our company, and did not uphold the high security standards we have in place to ensure everyone is safe at our restaurants.

“We will not tolerate the actions of this relatively new franchisee and are revoking their franchise agreement immediately. Our sympathies continue to be with the families of those who died and are very thankful no employees, guests, police officers or bystanders were hurt or injured.”

Swanton said, “That’s a good thing for law enforcement here. That is one issue that we don’t have to worry about – people coming in and creating another incident after the tragic incident we had last night.”
Swat

When the restaurant refused to ban the Confederation of Clubs, police stationed at least 22 cops including ten Swat officers from the Waco P.D. and the Texas Department of Public Safety in the parking lot outside the restaurant. They did not station either uniformed or plain clothes officers in the restaurant.

The shove in the bathroom became a scuffle in the restaurant. When about 30 Bandidos, Cossacks, Scimitars and other bikers spilled into the parking between the Twin peaks and the Don Carlos Mexican restaurant next door, the police were waiting for them. The scuffle became a knife fight and several men were stabbed. When one of the combatants produced a gun the Swat team opened fire with automatic weapons. Multiple sources have told The Aging Rebel that all of the dead were killed by police.

Swanton said the fusillade “saved lives in keeping this from spilling into a very busy Sunday morning. Thank goodness the officers were here and took the action that they needed to take to save numerous lives.”

The investigation into the massacre is being supervised by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives.

Since the massacre, police have announced that there is “credible information about threats toward law enforcement.” Waco police issued a bulletin at 10:13 Sunday night that announced: “Our agency has recieved (sic) information that the Cosaks (sic) and Banditos (sic) have issued an order to kill anyone in uniform.”


https://youtu.be/4VV7gdwoJk8

Link to video: https://youtu.be/4VV7gdwoJk8


https://youtu.be/JZG8PIYKBa0

Link to video: https://youtu.be/JZG8PIYKBa0


https://youtu.be/w3kXl7bCOr0

Link to video: https://youtu.be/w3kXl7bCOr0

http://www.agingrebel.com/12873

[Glass]

Do you think the groups were just eating there or were they there for a "meeting of the minds"? Some one got angry but not the way it was reported? Or none of them got angry and something else happened? If the cops were firing that would be because they came under fire wouldn't it?

hmmm. like I expected.

[EE_]

Looks like it was an ambush.

When the restaurant refused to ban the Confederation of Clubs, police stationed at least 22 cops including ten Swat officers from the Waco P.D. and the Texas Department of Public Safety in the parking lot outside the restaurant. They did not station either uniformed or plain clothes officers in the restaurant.

The shove in the bathroom became a scuffle in the restaurant. When about 30 Bandidos, Cossacks, Scimitars and other bikers spilled into the parking between the Twin peaks and the Don Carlos Mexican restaurant next door, the police were waiting for them. The scuffle became a knife fight and several men were stabbed. When one of the combatants produced a gun the Swat team opened fire with automatic weapons. Multiple sources have told The Aging Rebel that all of the dead were killed by police.

Swanton said the fusillade “saved lives in keeping this from spilling into a very busy Sunday morning. Thank goodness the officers were here and took the action that they needed to take to save numerous lives.”

The investigation into the massacre is being supervised by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives.

Since the massacre, police have announced that there is “credible information about threats toward law enforcement.” Waco police issued a bulletin at 10:13 Sunday night that announced: “Our agency has recieved (sic) information that the Cosaks (sic) and Banditos (sic) have issued an order to kill anyone in uniform.”[/b]


Wow! ambushed by the biggest criminal gang out there.
Payback time.

[midnight rambler]

From an email I received as a forwarded email, this from Constitutional scholar Michael Gaddy:


Sources state that five of the nine bikers killed in Waco on Sunday received gunshot wounds to the head with two others whose deadly wounds were listed as “unspecified.” What are the chances the majority of people killed in a parking lot shootout would be hit in the head? What are the chances that in such a shootout which takes place in a busy shopping center with the police admittedly involved; only bikers are hit in the obvious hail of gunfire---no innocent bystanders---no police? Was it coincidence that a SWAT team had been deployed to the site of this meeting before it began? Do SWAT teams have snipers?
Seeing as how almost all of the references to the bikers attending this meeting in Waco by the authorities contain the words “criminal” or “gang” or “outlaw,” why is there no mention of the fact two of the clubs represented at the meeting (Leathernecks MC, Veterans MC) usually are made up of 100% Veterans? There is also no mention so far that the founder of the Bandidos MC in 1966 was himself a Marine Corps Veteran of Vietnam? Why is there no mention of what percentage of all these Motorcycle Clubs are made up of military Veterans? Isn't our current form of nationalism based on the worship of all things veteran? Darn good thing Chris Kyle didn't ride a motorcycle.
An email I read that arrived in my inbox from a member of the Christian Bikers states their club was also a member of this Biker coalition that was meeting in Waco. Is their presence not being mentioned because it might present a problem for the authorities who are obviously seeking to label everyone there as an “outlaw” or “ a participant in a criminal enterprise?” Could it create a problem as they attempt to prosecute others for being criminals? By the way, this member of the Christian Biker MC warned in her email not to believe the “official” report of what happened in Waco.
According to reports, the authorities have charged approximately 170 of these bikers with being part of a criminal enterprise and placed them under a one million dollar bond. How many of these people were arrested just because they were riding a motorcycle while carrying a sidearm in a state with a Constitution that allows them to do so? Some were said to be in possession of knives and chains with padlocks. Who in their right mind takes a knife or a chain to a gunfight when he/she can legally carry a gun?
Where is the evidence that all of those charged were involved in a criminal conspiracy just because they were attending a meeting where Veterans and Christians were also present? Is it possible an additional precedent for arresting those who legally possess firearms in the event the authorities deem it appropriate has been established? (Think New Orleans after Katrina) Where are the Second Amendment chirpees on this one? Could they be planning another gun show where even concealed carry permit holders are refused admittance if they are armed? (Yes, it happens here every year.)
Was the “lack of cooperation” by the management of the restaurant in Waco as stated by the police simply the denial of a request to have undercover operatives pose as employees during the proposed meeting? Should private business owners have that right? What are the chances the entire fatal episode was initiated by an agent provocateur, perhaps a confidential informant (CI) trying to work off a charge of their own or make some cash? Has this ever happened before?
Were the three bikers who were released on much lesser bonds and then rearrested, involved somehow but arrested again when their unusual release came under scrutiny? Ever heard of Randy Weaver and the BATFE CI who participated in the mess that led to the death of Randy’s wife and son?
It has been reported that the Department of Homeland Security is engaged in identifying and targeting members of various motorcycle clubs all across the country beginning in earnest yesterday. Should we be concerned that DHS is targeting these clubs for concern when one of their own former Security Advisers (Senior Fellow Mohamad Elibiary) stated publicly that “Our government needs to deepen our strategic engagement with the Muslim Brotherhood" and "America is an Islamic country?" When Elibiary resigned in September of last year, he moved to---wait for it---Texas! Hmmm, Christian, Veteran, Biker bad---Muslim Brotherhood good?
Should we be concerned that a Colorado State Police officer named Kluczynski, appearing as an instructor, stated in a meeting with fellow members of law enforcement on April 1, 2013 that the police should be wary of “people who take the Bible literally or too seriously, and believe our country was founded on Christian principles” and that those not going along with the changes in our country would need to be “controlled by law enforcement?” Was it simply a coincidence that in the same meeting, Officer Kluczynski asked the other officers in attendance if “they were willing and prepared to confiscate ‘illegal’ weapons if ordered to do so?” Was it mere coincidence that “Outlaw Bikers” were also mentioned in this training session?
Is it just me or is there a recurring theme here of Veterans, Christians and Bikers and how they are some kind of co-conspirators against the government?
Was the debacle and death in Waco the opening event of Jade Helm 15? (It did happen in Texas) Is this just the beginning? Would Joe Six-Pack accept this as long as it was being directed at those he considers evil---or at least the people the government and their pals in the media have told him are evil?

In Liberty
mike

[Ares]

The aging rebel article called it an ambush which would make sense. The email Midnight Rambler posted is also lining up with that reasoning as well.

How else do you explain that the fight lasted all of 30 seconds out in the parking lot when most police response times are 10-15 minutes on average.

[monty]

The aging rebel article called it an ambush which would make sense. The email Midnight Rambler posted is also lining up with that reasoning as well.

How else do you explain that the fight lasted all of 30 seconds out in the parking lot when most police response times are 10-15 minutes on average.


Another Waco, now the truth is coming out.

[midnight rambler]

The more one scrutinizes the state's actors' version the more hinky it sounds. They arrested 170 bikers and set ALL their bonds at $1 million??

From the photos I saw of the Cossacks and Scimitars they were fairly clean cut and looked like working stiffs, not at all like your usual Bandido type.

[Dogman]

The articles said there were already a bunch of cops already there before the fight started, and I bet a bunch more were already close thicker than a convention of maggots at high noon at the roadkill cafeteria !

Any breakdown on the number's bandido vs mongrels dead, have not seen any yet other than one from Tyler but not which club!
?

[Down1]

The bloody incident at Waco’s Twin Peaks restaurant was not a “biker shootout.” At present there is no evidence that any of the nine victims were killed by fellow bikers, rather than being “taken out” by the scores of police — including snipers — who had effectively turned the parking lot into a kill zone.

The Twin Peaks Massacre has prompted the predictable outpouring of state-centered outrage over the purported threat posed by Outlaw Motorcycle Clubs (OMCs). Buried beneath the blizzard of re-purposed official press releases is a critical disclosure made by former FBI undercover operative John Matthews: During the 1990s, as part of the FBI’s PATCON (Patriot Conspiracy) operation, Matthews and his handler, Donald Jarrett, sold illegally converted full-auto machine guns to narcotics-dealing motorcycle gangs. (I first reported about this in early March.) This was done through one of the firearms stores later forced by the ATF into participating in the “Fast & Furious” gun-walking scandal, in which firearms of that kind were provided to operatives of Mexican criminal cartels.

“As we talk of gun control … over the years [of] how many cases of sporterized SKS, AK47s, and SKSs were sold to groups and case after case of ammo for them all with the blessings of the FBI & ATF with no paper work,” Matthews wrote in a November 8, 2014 email (lightly edited here for spelling and grammar). “Also let’s not forget the AR15s, they were made full auto from the Lone Wolf gun store back in the 90s by a guy brought in by the FBI for me to put in place. Those guns went to bikers who were sell[ing] drugs on the border. Those drugs were [believed] to be coming in from China.”
https://www.lewrockwell.com/lrc-blog/false-flags-biker-gangs-and-the-patcon-legacy/


https://www.lewrockwell.com/lrc-blog/false-flags-biker-gangs-and-the-patcon-legacy/

[mick silver]

biker maybe the next bad thing it the usa , to me this smell like a set up and I am not joking

[mick silver]

Judge Nap on Biker Gangs: 'This Is Going to Get Worse Before It Gets Better' http://insider.foxnews.com/2015/05/19/judge-nap-biker-gang-violence-going-get-worse-it-gets-better

[EE_]

biker maybe the next bad thing it the usa , to me this smell like a set up and I am not joking

Any group that organizes is becoming a bad thing, except for the Masons, Skull & Bone Society and Jewish groups.

[BrewTech]

Looking more and more like the original story is falling apart. The latest info made available to the consumer class doesn't bode well for our heroes in blue... and it makes more sense, IMO.

http://news.yahoo.com/bikers-others-flee-gunfire-waco-restaurant-video-051445618.html

[BrewTech]

Judge Nap on Biker Gangs: 'This Is Going to Get Worse Before It Gets Better' http://insider.foxnews.com/2015/05/19/judge-nap-biker-gang-violence-going-get-worse-it-gets-better

Not enough money and fame speaking out against the state, Judge? Decided to defect, did ya?

I'm glad I never took you that seriously in the first place.

[EE_]

Not enough money and fame speaking out against the state, Judge? Decided to defect, did ya?

I'm glad I never took you that seriously in the first place.

You Mr. BrewTech, are the ultimate cynic! That's what I like about you. :)

[monty]

biker maybe the next bad thing it the usa , to me this smell like a set up and I am not joking


Me too Mick, to many things don't add up. I've ridden more than 200,000 miles on a Harley, been to moré rallies and poker runs and a couple of COC meetings than I can remember. I have seen more fights an trouble at the rodeos than I ever saw at a biker rally.

http://kxan.com/2015/05/20/inside-the-bandidos-exclusive-look-inside-the-brotherhood/

[Dogman]

Add me to the list!

Something stinks and does not add up, starting with the mass roundup along with that stinkingly high bond! I almost think a pig wet himself and started shooting, with the others joining in just because the first pig shot, just a guess!

[Cebu_4_2]

Add me to the list!

Something stinks and does not add up, starting with the mass roundup along with that stinkingly high bond! I almost think a pig wet himself and started shooting, with the others joining in just because the first pig shot, just a guess!

I think the same, confidential video is censored right now.

[Neuro]

First 40 seconds of video report linked below tells of shootout between cops and bikers -

http://kxan.com/2015/05/17/fatal-shooting-at-twin-peaks-in-waco/
After having read that I have little doubt the reason there are 10 dead and dozens injured is because of the presence of 22 heavily armed police officers...

[Neuro]

Or degrade the harley by banning one cylinder on the engine ! ;)

But then you would have a very dangerously named motorcycle called the "Harley Thumper" !

;)
I think the right way of going about it is too require a change of the engine so it can only run if you buy a particular HD additive, and then you have Homeland security buying up all the production!

[EE_]

I guess they call this collateral damage when cops kill a decorated Vietnam veteran?
These reports are seriously lacking of the real facts.

Purple Heart recipient among bikers killed in Waco shooting
The Associated Press
NOMAAN MERCHANT, SETH ROBBINS AND EMILY SCHMALL May 21st 2015 5:03PM

WACO, Texas (AP) -- One of nine bikers killed at a shootout outside a Texas restaurant was a Vietnam veteran and Purple Heart recipient whose family members dispute police claims he was in a criminal group.

An Associated Press review of Texas court records and a database maintained by the state Department of Public Safety turned up no criminal history in Texas for Jesus Delgado Rodriguez, 65, of New Braunfels. And his son Vincent Ramirez told the San Antonio Express-News that he was not violent.

Rodriguez was one of nine bikers killed Sunday when gunfire erupted at Twin Peaks restaurant in Waco, where motorcyclists had gathered for a meeting. Authorities have said the shooting began during an apparent confrontation between two rival motorcycle gangs - the Bandidos and the Cossacks.

This combination of booking photos provided by the McLennan County Sheriff's office shows people arrested during the motorcycle gang related shooting at the Twin Peaks restaurant in Waco, Texas on Sunday, May 17, 2015. Top row from left; Ray Allen, Brian Brincks, Salvador Campos, Richard Cantu and David Cepeda. Middle row from left; Bohar Crump, James David, James Devoll, Matthew Folse and Juan Garcia. Bottom row from left; Mario Gonzalez, James Gray, Jim Harris, Michael Herring and Tommy Jennings. (McLennan County Sheriff's Office via AP)

Waco police spokesman Sgt. W. Patrick Swanton told the AP on Wednesday that all those killed were part of those two gangs. He did not return phone messages Thursday seeking comment about Rodriguez.

Military records show Rodriguez was a Marine on active duty from 1969 and 1973, and received the Purple Heart, given to those wounded or killed in action. He also received a Navy commendation medal and other awards.

Family members said Rodriguez was a biker and had belonged to two now-defunct motorcycle clubs, one of which allowed couples. But he was not part of any club when he was killed at Twin Peaks restaurant in Waco, they said, though he had friends who were Bandidos.

"If he thought there was going to be violence he wouldn't have gone." Rodriguez's son-in-law Amado Garces told the Express-News.

When gunfire erupted in the parking lot of the restaurant, most of the leather-clad motorcycle riders watching the confrontation from the patio or inside immediately ran away from the shooting. A few tried to direct people to safety, crawling on all fours heading for cover.

One biker ran away with blood on his face, hands and torso. A woman could be heard screaming, "Oh my God!" Others yelled, "Get down!"

Restaurant security video reviewed exclusively by the AP on Wednesday showed only one of the dozens of bikers recorded firing a gun from the patio of the restaurant. None of the nine video angles shows the parking lot.

Many of the bikers on tape are likely to have been arrested by Waco police, who rounded up about 170 people, charged them with felony engaging in organized criminal activity and set their bonds at $1 million.

Some bikers have complained that police acted too hastily in making arrests and scooped up riders who had nothing to do with the violence.

Swanton declined to comment about the video Wednesday. Swanton has said the people arrested were members of biker gangs with criminal elements that have been monitored by local authorities for months.

"They were not here to drink and eat barbecue," Swanton said earlier this week. "They came here with violence in mind."

The AP was shown the video by representatives of the Twin Peaks franchise, who have said the fighting began outside the restaurant, not inside as police have said. The franchise has not released the video publicly, citing the ongoing investigation.
Video footage shows police with assault rifles entering the door about two minutes after the shooting begins. As two officers enter, bikers can be seen lying on the floor with their hands spread.

http://www.aol.com/article/2015/05/21/the-latest-on-waco-shooting-slain-biker-won-purple-heart/21186074/?icid=maing-grid7%7Chtmlws-main-bb%7Cdl23%7Csec1_lnk3%26pLid%3D-570062995

[Dogman]

I am starting to suspect the pigs screwed up and overreacted. As I posted above one probably freaked and pissed in his pants and started shooting and the rest of the pig shooters then did the same because the first pig shot or the sound of his shot triggered the rest to follow.

The cops know they fracked up, and now are trying to muddy the water as much as they can, especially in these days of national attention of pigs overreacting that has been in the news.

Waco overreacted once before during the branch Davidians Mt carmel stand off and walked away totally clean and hero's for killing all those dangerous kids and family's that harmed nobody until the pigs made them defend themselves and family's.

Same tactics and thinking then as even today!

IMHO!

[Hitch]

The questions I'd like to know. How many of the dead bikers, if any, were shot by other bikers? That, and did all the dead bikers actually have deadly weapons on them when they were killed? The one article said all the dead were either Bandidos or Cossaks club members.

Sure seems like the police overreacted.

[midnight rambler]

One mainstream media source did a criminal history search for law-abiding, decorated Vietnam Vet Jesus Delgado Rodriguez and found NO criminal history whatsoever. Another report has his son saying that his father didn't even own any guns, any guns that he previously had he'd gotten rid of years ago.

[Dogman]

The questions I'd like to know. How many of the dead bikers, if any, were shot by other bikers? That, and did all the dead bikers actually have deadly weapons on them when they were killed? The one article said all the dead were either Bandidos or Cossaks club members.

Sure seems like the police overreacted. mostly cossacks killed.

All the dead were club members or scoot riders, no citizens harmed reported so far.

[midnight rambler]

There's a message which was sent here, the cops were saying: "Do NOT question our monopoly on violence!!! We will have NO competition when it comes to violence!!!"

[EE_]

The questions I'd like to know. How many of the dead bikers, if any, were shot by other bikers? That, and did all the dead bikers actually have deadly weapons on them when they were killed? The one article said all the dead were either Bandidos or Cossaks club members.

Sure seems like the police overreacted.

My opinion, all that were shot and killed were by cops.

I believe most were carrying firearms and other weapons. My guess many dumped their firearms on the ground and the rest were taken from their possession.
My experience...I do some riding with an East Coast MC and many/most carry firearms with CCW permits. Many of the club members over here are military/ex-military.

[EE_]

There's a message which was sent here, the cops were saying: "Do NOT question our monopoly on violence!!! We will have NO competition when it comes to violence!!!"

Funny how they make motorcycle clubs out to be all criminals, when the gangs in blue probably have more criminal activity then them all.
Every MC is going to have some criminal activity. Most clubs don't allow it, so it is not something that is out in the open.
The gang in blue all know they/their gang members commit crimes all the time and they cover each other for the crimes.

[midnight rambler]

It takes a special kind of asshole to want to be full time SWAT.

[monty]

Having been involved in motorcyclists rights I have attended a few COC meetings. They were just that, political gatherings. From what Steve Chocran stated, the Cossacks initiated this melee and as normal the mainstream media has misrepresented the facts.http://www.breitbart.com/texas/2015/05/21/criminal-meeting-of-bikers-in-waco-was-actually-organized-political-gathering/


'Criminal Meeting' of Bikers in Waco was Actually Organized Political Gathering

The group that met was the Texas Confederation of Clubs and Independents (CoC&I) and a look at that group’s website and history (http://txcocinews.org/calendar.html) gives a very different impression of the group’s purpose and goals than what has been said repeatedly by Waco police Sgt. W. Patrick Swanton.
Swanton has been a central media figure, conducting several press conferences since shootings that left nine dead and dozens injured happened on Sunday. Swanton’s statements have been echoed by the media, creating an image of a get together of thugs converging on Twin Peaks in an event obviously fraught with danger that authorities tried desperately to stop until they were foiled by the uncooperative restaurant owner.
An AP report on Tuesday (http://www.elpasotimes.com/juarez/ci_28137543/police-9-dead-texas-shooting-all-members-biker) gives what has been the now-standard media narrative:
Five gangs had gathered at the restaurant as part of a meeting to settle differences over turf and recruitment. Prior meetings had been held at the restaurant, and managers there had dismissed police concerns over the gatherings, he said.
“They were not here to drink and eat barbecue,” Swanton said. “They came here with violence in mind.”

The “gathering of criminal bikers” story was even used to justify the $1 million bail that the 170 arrested bikers were each handed. From the same AP report:
McLennan County Justice of the Peace W.H. Peterson set bond at $1 million for each suspect. He defended the high amount, citing the violence that quickly unfolded in a shopping market busy with a lunchtime crowd.
“We have nine people dead, because these people wanted to come down and what? Drink? Party?” Peterson said. “I thought it was appropriate.”

Despite those claims by Texas officials of drinking, partying and violence in mind, the Texas Confederation of Clubs and Independents website and other information give every impression that the group’s meeting on that Sunday was legitimate.
This does not mean that groups or individuals who participated in CoC&I meeting don’t have criminal connections. Some see the CoC&I as a way for clubs like the Bandidos to gain legitimacy, an assessment shared by the Texas Department of Public Safety’s Gang Threat Assessment (https://www.dps.texas.gov/director_staff/media_and_communications/2014/txGangThreatAssessment.pdf) from 2014:
Formed in the 1960s, the Bandidos Outlaw Motorcycle Gang (Bandidos OMG) conducts its illegal activities as covertly as possible and avoids high-profile activities such as drive-by shootings that many street gangs tend to commit. However, members are not covert about making their presence known by wearing the gang colors, insignia, and riding in large groups. They seek to turn public sentiment in their favor by organizing frequent charity runs. Bandidos are likely to focus on recruiting new members with no criminal history.

However, it’s not clear that everyone who attended the CoC&I meeting had criminal connections. As the Gang Threat Assessment report pointed out, even the Bandidos have recruited members with no criminal history in an attempt to clean up there reputation. As a comment on the biker site Aging Rebel (http://www.agingrebel.com/12873) suggests:
If thirty guys were fighting who were the other 140 that were arrested? The Christian Ministries, the Veterans Clubs, and everyone else who attended a COC meeting aimed at keeping bikers safe, biker legislation, and scheduling biker events? So now your local motorcycle minister is locked up on a 1 million dollar bond.

A look at the Texas Confederation of Clubs and Independentswebsite and events calendar does show a group that’s focused on legislative issues and elections.
The CoC&I site has an entire page dedicated to National, State and Local Happenings (http://txcocinews.org/state-and-local.html) with links to various political calls to action and events.
That page features a photo of a U.S. Marine standing at attention with a group of bikers and a photo an eagle over an American flag with the motto “Don’t tread on me. I refuse to allow my civil servant to run my life.”
A look at the group’s events calendar (http://txcocinews.org/calendar.html) shows that the Twin Peaks meeting was listed on the Calendar as a “Region 1 Texas COC&I Meeting”; one of a number of meeting that happen in every part of Texas on a regular basis.
Other events on the Calendar show an actual legislative purpose. For example, on April 22nd at 7am the Calendar lists a public hearing on legislation:
The Motorcycle Safety Fund Bill (SB754) will be brought to the floor for public hearing in the Transportation Committee.
Paul and Jude will be testifying in support of the bill and we need as many people as possible to attend the hearing to support our community spokesmen, Senator Watson and show we are unified in seeing SB754 passed.

Later in April was a two day “Texas COC&I Christian Unity Event”, described as:
This event is open to everyone. We want to include Christians from all traditional MC’s and not just the Christian MC’s and MM’s.
You are welcome even if you are not a Christian, but the event will be Christian by nature.

Looking beyond the group’s website, eyewitness reports are beginning to paint a very different picture than that the official version from the Waco police.
Halfway through this WacoTrib.com (http://www.wacotrib.com/news/twin-peaks-biker-shooting/only-of-slain-in-twin-peaks-shootout-from-waco-witnesses/article_04745208-8210-54cd-811c-2989f0447951.html?mode=jqm) story comes an account from someone who was at event that claims the biker’s political event was interrupted by uninvited bikers from the Cossacks gang.:
Steve Cochran, a national bikers’ rights advocate from Waco who witnessed the melee, blamed the incident entirely on the Cossacks. Cochran, who is a founder of the Waco chapter of the Sons of the South, is an official with the U.S. Defenders Task Force, a legislative group affiliated with the Texas Confederacy of Clubs and Independents.
He arrived at Twin Peaks on Sunday to set up a sound system for the COC&I meeting, only to find that the violence already had started.
Bandidos members were to be part of the meeting, which was to focus on legislative issues common to all bikers, Cochran said. He said police gave no indication to him or other COC&I members that their lives might be in danger.
“These meetings have gone on for 20 years, and we’ve gone all these years without a single incident until Sunday,” he said.

Other reports say that about 60 Cossacks arrived at the meeting and a list of those killed indicates that only one of the victims was from Waco. Tuesday, Breitbart Texas reported exclusively (http://www.breitbart.com/texas/2015/05/19/exclusive-cossacks-biker-gang-recently-transferred-members-into-bandidos-territory/) on indications on social media of aggressive moves by the Cossacks, including “transfers” of bikers into Texas.
The emerging picture of what really happened on Sunday in Waco raises some doubts about the initial police explanation of the incident as well as their suggested remedy. For example, Waco spokesman Swanton has repeated blamed the restaurant for not refusing to host the event.
However, the very political nature of the Texas Confederation of Clubs and Independents and its website raise troubling First Amendment questions about the police trying to pressure a business to shut down a lawful political meeting that had never led to problems previously, regardless of the people at that meeting.
Texas Law Enforcement has had a difficult job dealing with biker gangs. One frustration is that some groups like the Bandidos combine legitimate elements (with charity rides) with criminal (like meth dealing.)
Follow Lee Stranahan on Twitter: @Stranahan (https://twitter.com/stranahan)

[monty]

See also:

http://www.breitbart.com/texas/2015/05/22/waco-biker-shooting-victim-is-purple-heart-recipient-who-served-in-vietnam/

[midnight rambler]

There are reports that wallet chains were counted as *weapons* by the cops. Also, who wouldn't have a chain and a padlock in their saddlebags readily available to lock up their scooter when they felt the need?? Additionally I gather the cops counted COMPLETELY LEGAL pocket knives as *weapons*. Not to mention COMPLETELY LEGAL guns which were not being carried on or about their person and available for immediate use but rather secured in their vehicles.

[osoab]

https://theconservativetreehouse.files.wordpress.com/2015/05/waco-23.jpg

[Glass]

https://theconservativetreehouse.files.wordpress.com/2015/05/waco-23.jpg


No bone left unturned.

[Hitch]

This article is a long read, but gives an eye witness account of what happened. An anonymous Cossack member tells a story it was a set up by the Bandidos. He describes the violence in this article.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/richie-died-then-diesel-then-dog-an-eyewitness-to-the-waco-biker-brawl/2015/05/23/00db6436-1a8a-469b-9d6f-d2283234d281_story.html

[Glass]

It reads like a novel.

[Dogman]

This article is a long read, but gives an eye witness account of what happened. An anonymous Cossack member tells a story it was a set up by the Bandidos. He describes the violence in this article.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/richie-died-then-diesel-then-dog-an-eyewitness-to-the-waco-biker-brawl/2015/05/23/00db6436-1a8a-469b-9d6f-d2283234d281_story.html

Nomad's are not leader's but enforcers or more like a sergeant at arms, but not dedicated to one chapter. The word nomad means he can drift or move from chapter to chapter within the club! Whoever wrote this got mixed up with term's!

But the story sounds real.

Time maybe will tell if the media and the cops that have their own agendas to cover their asses do not muddy the story into a FUBAR situation which it may all ready become!

Sounds like some of the dead are from my area! Have not been checking the obits, afraid I might find my name in them! ;)

[EE_]

This article is a long read, but gives an eye witness account of what happened. An anonymous Cossack member tells a story it was a set up by the Bandidos. He describes the violence in this article.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/richie-died-then-diesel-then-dog-an-eyewitness-to-the-waco-biker-brawl/2015/05/23/00db6436-1a8a-469b-9d6f-d2283234d281_story.html

I'm sorry, I can't buy one word in that poorly written article.
Author has a strong bias against motorcycle clubs and in favor of cops.
Not one mention of the cops and swat teams on site, or any shooting/killing they did.
No club member calls themselves 'gangs', but I hear the cops do.

[monty]

From the comments,

Techtor Gorch
10:25 AM GMT-0500




Garbage. The newspaper doesn't identify its "source," but lets the source name other people. Then all the information about the run-up to the CoC&I meeting came not from the "source," but from what the "source" said another person told him about what another person told him. Shameful, shameful, shameful.

Moreover, the New York Times didn't have any problem finding a Bandido (the state chairman of the Texas CoC&I) to speak on the record.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/19/us/waco-texas-bi... (http://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/19/us/waco-texas-biker-gang-shooting.html?_r=0)

BTW, a nomad is not a leader. You could have done a better job reporting this story if you'd watch season 5 of Sons of Anarchy.


SafeAsMilk
9:55 AM GMT-0500




I'd be willing to bet that the results from an official investigation (to be released weeks down the road) will prove vast portions of this story to be nonsense, put in place to distract the populous from a massacre conducted by skittish authorities. Remember the Branch Davidian thing there? Why is Waco repeatedly the stage for demonstrations of authoritarian overreach...and subsequent coverup?

[Dogman]

I'm sorry, I can't buy one word in that poorly written article.
Author has a strong bias against motorcycle clubs and in favor of cops.
Not one mention of the cops and swat teams on site, or any shooting/killing they did.
No club member calls themselves 'gangs', but I hear the cops do.

Think the the one that wrote the story may have mixed terms and included a personal bias but this is only one report from this mess from maybe one club members viewpoint.

Sorta like leggos one part is nothing but put a bunch together and then something real maybe reveled!

The pigs have a lock now on the story/reality, all the on the ground eyeball witness are behind bars!

I am just hopping that other testimony's do come out and how much was this is pig triggered and incited!

Still believe the Texas rocker helped trigger it as I posted before!

We have the pigs saying, one one club member saying and others, sorta she said he said thing!

Story is still muddy as holy hell and will take time to sort it out! IMHO!

[EE_]

Think the the one that wrote the story may have mixed terms and included a personal bias but this is only one report from this mess from maybe one club members viewpoint.

Sorta like leggos one part is nothing but put a bunch together and then something real maybe reveled!

The pigs have a lock now on the story/reality, all the on the ground eyeball witness are behind bars!

I am just hopping that other testimony's do come out and how much was this is pig triggered and incited!

Still believe the Texas rocker helped trigger it as I posted before!

We have the pigs saying, one one club member saying and others, sorta she said he said thing!

Story is still muddy as holy hell and will take time to sort it out! IMHO!

A lot of the articles state the shoot out was between biker 'gangs'...so why were/are threats made against cops, if they were only doing their job?

I believe you're right, all the eye witnesses are locked up. The longer/farther they can get away from this story, the better it will be forgotten by the general public.

Hey, look over there at Cleveland!...protesters are gathering over the acquittal of the white maniac cop that fired a thousand rounds into two unarmed blacks. Might be another riot?

[midnight rambler]

This article is a long read, but gives an eye witness account of what happened. An anonymous Cossack member tells a story it was a set up by the Bandidos. He describes the violence in this article.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/richie-died-then-diesel-then-dog-an-eyewitness-to-the-waco-biker-brawl/2015/05/23/00db6436-1a8a-469b-9d6f-d2283234d281_story.html

I'm not buying this account either 'cause it does not account for the murder of Jesus Delgado Rodriguez who didn't belong to either the Bandidos or Cossacks.

[Hitch]

I'm not buying this account either 'cause it does not account for the murder of Jesus Delgado Rodriguez who didn't belong to either the Bandidos or Cossacks.

Good point. There's too much conflicting information out there, makes me wonder if we will ever know the truth on what happened.

[EE_]

Good point. There's too much conflicting information out there, makes me wonder if we will ever know the truth on what happened.

The truth we do know, is the cops don't want anymore bad publicity then they already have.
If there was cop wrongdoing, the department will try to cover it at all costs.

[Hitch]

The truth we do know, is the cops don't want anymore bad publicity then they already have.
If there was cop wrongdoing, the department will try to cover it at all costs.

It's very strange that with all the people there, all the witnesses, everyone is being completely silent as to what happened. 170 bikers locked up as well. The video footage hasn't leaked out either. Doesn't that strike you as odd? Something really stinks with this story. Also, 8 dead cossacks and 1 dead bandido. How is that explained? Plus, you have the guy midnight posted about, who isn't affiliated with either club.

Seems a week later the truth should have come out.

[Dogman]

Hitch, it will be hidden and dragged out as long a the authority's can! They want and need to let time pass so they can muddy the waters to the max, less repercussions on them! IMO

[monty]

http://www.news-journal.com/news/2015/may/19/biker-bloodshed-in-longview-sheriff-says-not-likel/



Biker bloodshed in Longview? Sheriff says not likely

http://static.texascommunitymedia.com/cache/31/19/3119615b3371c602861cac4278c2b066.jpg

Cross-gang violence in the city between biker club members that flared up in April featured a Longview resident now sitting with about 170 others under McLennan County custody.
Marshall "Nomad" Mitchell, 61, of Longview was accused of punching a rival club member April 1. The accusation came from a member of the Cossack Motorcycle Club, who told Longview police Detective Lanie Smith that he and Mitchell, a member of the Bandidos Motorcycle Club, got into a verbal altercation in the Applebee's on Loop 281 before Mitchell hit him.

Smith concludes the report, in which a restaurant manager verifies the Cossack member's story, saying it was filed to document gang-related activity, and no further action was taken.
Six weeks later, at least nine people were killed and twice that number were hospitalized after a meeting of biker clubs in a Waco restaurant erupted into gunfire with police.
Also arrested Sunday with Mitchell was Kyle Smith, 48, of Kilgore. Smith remained Tuesday in the McLennan County Jail under $1 million bond.

It remains unclear how many of the dead from Sunday's fracas were shot by police or how many by other bikers. It is clear, though, that motorcycle clubs known to delve into drug commerce and other criminal enterprises are in many Texas cities of any size — including Longview.

"Of course, we are aware of the Cossacks and the Bandidos," Gregg County Sheriff Maxey Cerliano said. "We do have contact with them, and some of their members have been in our jail."
Mitchell has not. He appears to have no criminal record in Gregg County.

County records show Mitchell, who has sold cars in Longview for many years, pays his taxes — both on a $267,000 home and other properties he owns.
Older records, from a 1990 criminal trial in the Fifth Court of Appeals in New Orleans, name Mitchell and others as providing security while national Bandido leaders met in a Longview home. The leaders were plotting a revenge attack on the Banshees Motorcycle Club for the fatal shooting of a Bandido in 1983.

The documents say Mitchell was a vice president of the Longview Bandidos chapter and later a president. His role in helping the national leaders, the filing states, included driving a getaway car during a machine gun assault on the rival club's Texarkana headquarters.

The sheriff said the Bandidos club maintains a property with several buildings straddling the Gregg/Smith County line. He said he has seen no sign the bloodshed that occurred in Waco will erupt in the Piney woods

"There hasn't been any indication that any of that violence would be transported to our area," Cerliano said. "We are monitoring the situation and also monitoring the alerts that are being distributed."

One of those was issued May 1 by the Texas Department of Public Safety and reported by news outlets. The reports said there had been skirmishes and talk of war between the Bandidos and Cossacks for months.

The state law enforcement agency on Tuesday turned away a request for that alert or any updates issued since Sunday's violence.

The Waco melee broke out at a restaurant where bikers of different allegiances gathered. Longview was home to such an "all-colors" club for at least two decades, ending in 2009 when Morris "Moe" and Cherry Power Eldridge closed Mom's Biker Bar.

Moe Eldridge, who took over the bar after founder Francis Nell "Mom" Higginbotham died, recalled Mitchell as a typical club member.
"He was a big teddy bear," Eldridge said. "You didn't want to get on his wrong side, either."

He also said the biker clubs didn't butt heads in Mom's. And they were all here — Bandidos, Cossacks, Boozefighters, Longriders and others.
"There was, like, a few words between them all," he said. "But they policed themselves. They would take it away from the bar, because they couldn't do it there. I imagine two people having words is kind of how that got started (in Waco), and it lit a fuse. Those guys are brothers and willing to die for each other."

Donnie Pendleton, who with the Allan Fox Band was a Sunday regular on the stage at Mom's for a decade, remembered Mitchell in the same manner as Eldridge.
"I did know him. I didn't know him well," he said.

Pendleton also recalled no violence at the Longview watering hole.
In fact, his most poignant memory was the reaction when a biker wheeled in loudly offering to fight anyone.
"It was a busy day, and they had a lot of people there," Pendleton said. "There must have been 30 people sitting outside. ... The whole crowd just told him, 'You know what? You need to just go away.' I got 10 solid years of hosting that jam out there on Sundays, and I never saw a fight."

[Dogman]

Mom's place was neutral, she was a small woman that everyone respected that had a heart as big as the sun, but you would never know what hell was unless you crossed her then you would learn the definition of what hell on earth was! But at her place all were welcome and the peace was upheld! I saw patches from most all national clubs there, tho wearing colors was discouraged sorta, angel's,bandit's and others playing pool together yes, opinion difference's were taken off the property or she would ban you!

When she died, several years ago the place went downhill until it closed, she was the glue that held the place together!

After she was gone RIP, at the end the paranoid tweakers were running the place and nobody sane would go there!

Sad!

Longview 10 miles from me, my big town, Kilgore is also 10 miles to the Southeast, Tyler is 25 miles to the south!

Now not sure abt Tyler, but Longview has both bandit and cossack chapters!

The bandit property is in hwy 31 between Kilgore and Tyler on the country line , Gregg county side, couple of strip clubs last I heard were closed down now for a few years!

All said in a FYI way!

[EE_]

It's very strange that with all the people there, all the witnesses, everyone is being completely silent as to what happened. 170 bikers locked up as well. The video footage hasn't leaked out either. Doesn't that strike you as odd? Something really stinks with this story. Also, 8 dead cossacks and 1 dead bandido. How is that explained? Plus, you have the guy midnight posted about, who isn't affiliated with either club.

Seems a week later the truth should have come out.

After enough time passes, it becomes history and folklore. They can tell it any way they want.
Look how long the gov/msm kept the 9/11 building 7 collapse out of the public eye.

[Serpo]

By Brooks Agnew
I was thinking of riding my Honda Shadow 1100 to Twin Peaks today to have some wings and enjoy the sports on TV on this gorgeous Memorial Day Weekend. The sun was shining, and the temperature was a perfect 82 degrees. I rode by the mall, with only moderate traffic and saw a couple of other bikers out doing the same thing I was doing; riding with no particular place to go.
I was riding alone and was not with any other bikers, but we always exchange the extended two-fingered peace sign as we pass one another on the roads winding through the countryside and through the cities of America.
As I made the turn onto the frontage road along the busiest shopping center in town, I noticed two police vehicles in the parking lot. One was a cruiser with black wheels and the new, aggressive paint scheme. The other was a black SUV with a light bar on top. I rolled through the parking lot in a Pavlovian state of mind, thinking about the delicious wings they serve and the beautiful and cheerful servers they have with this biker-friendly franchise.
Then I remembered Waco. A wave of trepidation swept through me. I looked around for snipers on the rooftops, and other police vehicles that might be parked nearby at the ready. I saw two more, parked with their driver side doors facing eachother. Then, I looked over to the mall side of the parking lot, and I noticed an elevated police observation tower than had been raised up with its blacked out windows.
I never actually stopped my bike. I decided that this looked too dangerous, even though I have a perfectly clean record, including no traffic citations for more than 10 years. I thought about those 9 bikers, shot in the head and neck with police assault rifles for doing nothing but the same thing I was thinking about doing; having some wings with other bikers who were out enjoying the beautiful weather. Were there scuffles at biker places where I have stopped for great food before? Sure. Nothing ever happened that was serious. Bikes and beer can sometimes get out of hand, but friends don’t let it last long. They all ride away and let it go like water under the bridge. After all, there are far too many 4-wheel threats out there for bikers to be fighting amongst themselves very long.
But Waco changed that for every biker in America. Every Wednesday evening, hundreds of riders come to our local Twin Peaks because they cater to our market. We are mostly working professionals, lawyers, dentists, engineers and school teachers who like to ride motorcycles as clubs or groups of friends. But this time, when 170 bikers rode to the Twin Peaks at a major shopping center in Waco, just as they have done twice a month for 18 years, police snipers were already in position. SWAT members were geared up and ready for a killing. Even a fully equipped MRAP troop carrier was parked in the adjacent parking lot.

http://beforeitsnews.com/contributor/upload/428134/images/waco-biker-shooting-scene-%2813%29.jpg
http://beforeitsnews.com/contributor/upload/428134/images/waco_shooting-4.jpg
It turns out that the ATF claimed they had an anonymous tip that the dreaded Black Widow biker gang—you remember those scoundrels from the Clint Eastwood movie Every Which Way but Loose—was going to arrive looking for trouble. It’s too bad Clyde wasn’t around to throw those guys in the used French fry oil tank. The ATF was there with their Federal guidance to make sure that justice was swift and absolute.

No shots were fired by anyone inside the restaurant. No shots were fired by anyone at the police. When bikers decided to leave the restaurant and enter the parking lot, the police began shooting full-auto equipped M-16’s into the crowd. Patrons began diving under tables and screaming for their lives. Little waitresses dropped their trays and ran with terror in their eyes behind the chef’s counter. A twice decorated Viet Nam War veteran was shot in the head and neck, although he was a highly respected pacifist, was unarmed and not involved in any of the scuffle inside the Twin Peaks establishment. Eight more US citizens were gunned down in cold blood. More than 500 rounds were fired by police, hitting cars, buildings, and injuring other innocent bystanders who happened to look like bikers. Two shots took seven of the nine people assassinated in the parking lot; one in the neck and one in the head fired by expert police marksmen.
Within an hour, the police press statement belched lies about “criminal biker gangs,” dealing drugs and other things that never happened; not once in the 18 years bikers have been meeting peacefully at the Waco Twin Peaks restaurant. The police spokesman first mentioned hundreds of weapons confiscated, including chains that connected wallets to belt loops. Then they changed it to dozens. Then, the facts showed there were fewer than ten, and one was still holstered by a licensed concealed carry American, who had undergone an extensive background check and was found to be spotless. His bond was placed at an unreasonable $1 million. Of the 170 bikers arrested for being at the wrong place at the wrong time, less than a third had any criminal record. Three of them had drafted a new piece of legislation about biker safety, and have since been awarded by the City Counsel for safety awareness. Of course, they couldn’t be there to accept the award, because they were in jail.
To this moment, no waitresses, cooks, or patrons have been interviewed by the press. Witness intimidation is in full force making sure no one says anything about what really happened. All surveillance video has been classified and is currently being edited by law enforcement professionals to make sure no officers are charged with murder. This was clearly a premeditated, Federal assault designed to kill first, and arrest the survivors.
It has been an infuriating eight days, and nothing has been said by the new Attorney General about unarmed citizens gunned down at a Sunday lunch in broad daylight by more than 18 armed policemen, militarized by a new Federal plan. 14 police officers have been placed on administrative leave, their lives changed forever by following orders to shoot Americans in the head. They died while screaming and waving their arms at the police to please stop shooting. There have been no protests and no demonstrations anywhere. Again, the Federal criminal perpetrators have massacred civilians in Waco, Texas. Remember the Branch Davidians burned alive on live national television by Federal troops while then attorney general Janet Reno watched the news at home? America sits idly by and says nothing as our police, sworn to protect and to serve, have been turned into cold-blooded assassins.
Meanwhile, a million bikers went to Washington DC this Memorial weekend to show support for the fallen troops who were sent to God knows where to kill other people in other countries to advance the agendas of God knows who. I ride my bike today alone. As my wheels turn, the wind blows the tears from my face as I think about all those dads, sons, mothers and daughters who died on the battlefield trying to free people oppressed by tyrannical governments. I am cold inside. I think of our own government shooting those free and innocent Americans dead on a Sunday morning in Texas. The world awaits the volumes of propaganda that will come forth about how bikers are a threat to peace and security.
I write this story from my heart, because silence is consent. The killing will stop when we have the courage to change what this president has done to our country. God has blessed America, but I am afraid He is turning is face away from what we have become. May the sleeping giant awaken before it is too late.


http://beforeitsnews.com/police-state/2015/05/the-waco-massacre-peaceful-bikers-rode-into-a-killing-field-1466.html

[Glass]

I think all bikers in the US should ride to Waco....at the same time.

[monty]

"clearly a premeditated, Federal assault designed to kill first, and arrest the survivors.
It has been an infuriating eight days, and nothing has been said by the new Attorney General about unarmed citizens gunned down at a Sunday lunch in broad daylight by more than 18 armed policemen"

[Ares]

"clearly a premeditated, Federal assault designed to kill first, and arrest the survivors.
It has been an infuriating eight days, and nothing has been said by the new Attorney General about unarmed citizens gunned down at a Sunday lunch in broad daylight by more than 18 armed policemen"

Because his check comes from the very same federal scum bags that pulled the trigger.

[mick silver]

we just got back from a 3 hundred mile ride this weekend and most of the guys I rode with are vets and they just want to be left the fick alone now and yes we all were packing ........... it still are right to carry ........... for now anyways

[Glass]

The Dollars Of Waco

As of noon today, 23 of the men indiscriminately taken into custody in the Twin Peaks parking lot of May 17 remain in the McClennan County jail. Presuming that those men are innocent and considering the going rate in false imprisonment lawsuits is about $5,000 per hour of false imprisonment, each of those men can look forward to eventually getting a check from the generous folks of Waco and Texas in the amount of about $4 million. Welcome home!

Innocent bystanders who were falsely imprisoned in Waco should, in general, expect to be compensated in the amount of about $2 million each or about $350 million in total. That amount, or something greater, will be realized in a class action lawsuit. Attorneys can expect to claim between one third and one half of that amount – somewhere between $100 million and $175 million, which is at least enough to satisfy a dream team of the smartest and meanest lawyers in all the land.
Depending on the judge, $2 million per victim might be on the low side. It may eventually dawn on whoever is running Waco that people were not simply inconvenienced for part of a summer. Their lives were ruined. For example, one victim complains:

“I’ve added up the entire cost of being inside the Don Carlos restaurant that day watching what unfolded. Keep in mind I wasn’t outside during the shooting and hadn’t done anything but tell the interviewing person I watched the cops shooting like crazy killing people. I’ve already spent $2500 in Bail, $10,000 to get my lawyer started and that’s just started, $350 to have the ankle monitor installed and $250 per month for services. And, I’m unable to work now. I was basically kidnapped by the Waco Police Department for telling the truth about what I witnessed that day. If you ask my personal opinion the Waco Police Department just premeditated murder and jailed all that witnessed to keep them from talking.”

Can’t Wait
So, when the big circus comes to town, it seems likely that some witnesses may be called to testify that the police on scene behaved maliciously and criminally. Forget O.J. Waco is going to be bigger than the Scopes Trial. Can you wait for Sergeant W. Patrick Swanton to be cross examined for days by tag teams of attorneys?

A week ago at a budget meeting, McLennan County Commissioners actually seemed to think that the county was the real victim in all this. Commissioners expect somebody will come rescue them. County Judge Scott Felton had the audacity to describe the police atrocity on May 17 as, “an unfortunate disaster that happened to an innocent community…we don’t harbor events that cause crime…we’re a wholesome community.”

Meanwhile Waco continues to be the police state that can’t get its story straight.

Criminal Biker Gangs
Not content to ruin the lives of 177 recreational motorcyclist, the Waco police took great pains to ruin the Twin Peaks restaurant. The Twin Peaks, the public was told from day one, was a troublesome biker hangout. Swanton had told reporters that Waco had assembled a platoon outside the restaurant, not because they were there to protect ATF agent provocateurs, but because “We have been made aware in the last few months of rival biker gangs – rival criminal biker gangs – being here and causing issues.” They turned out to be one of Swanton’s many lies.

The other day Yahoo News obtained police records that showed Waco police were called to the restaurant just eight times between its opening last August and May 17. Officers filed paper on just two of those eight cruiser rides; once for a car break-in and once for a domestic assault.

Meanwhile Waco’s cover story about somehow having (non-ATF) “intelligence” that the Bandidos and Cossacks were about to go to war is also falling apart. Vincent Glenn, the moron who is Waco’s outlaw motorcycle gang expert, filed an affidavit calling for the seizure 17 motorcycles, eight pickup trucks and two Sport Utility Vehicles. His story begins:

Intellojerk
“On May 17, 2015 a Confederacy (sic) of Clubs Independents (sic), hereinafter identifed (sic) as Region 1 meeting was scheduled to take place at 1 pm. at the patio of the Twin Peaks restaurant located in the Central Texas Market Place Shopping Center at 4671 Jack Kultgen Expressway, Waco, McLerman County, TX. Afiant has read police reports and law enforcement intelligence reports indicating that violence and tension between the Bandidos Outlaw gang, hereinafter identi?ed (sic) as Bandidos, and the Cossacks Club, hereinafter identi?ed (sic) as Cossacks, and both of their support clubs has been increasing for several months. Police reports and law enforcement intelligence reports indicate that


Couple more paragraphs and an aftermath video. (http://www.agingrebel.com/13053)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_XQwSg_qlQY

[Dogman]

Waco Bikers Prosecution Persists with ‘Guilt by Association’ Arguments
Twin Peaks bikers are fighting a gag order in Waco, Texas, and they are fighting the prosecution’s persistent and flagrant use of terms such as “outlaw bikers,” “biker gangs,” and “outlaw biker gangs” when referring to motorcycle riders and all of the bikers in Waco on May 17th. They cite legal opinions that prevent such “guilt by association” arguments by the State. More at the link.

http://www.breitbart.com/texas/2015/08/02/waco-bikers-prosecution-persists-with-guilt-by-association-arguments/

It is going to be interesting to see how the establishment will try to make like a cat in a litter box covering up their fuckup and the truth of who really started and finished the killings.

The lawsuits are going to be frigging huge but I fear the truly guilty will not have a hair on their heads disturbed.

[monty]

"The lawsuits are going to be frigging huge but I fear the truly guilty will not have a hair on their heads disturbed."

Sad but probably true.

[EE_]

Waco Bikers Prosecution Persists with ‘Guilt by Association’ Arguments
Twin Peaks bikers are fighting a gag order in Waco, Texas, and they are fighting the prosecution’s persistent and flagrant use of terms such as “outlaw bikers,” “biker gangs,” and “outlaw biker gangs” when referring to motorcycle riders and all of the bikers in Waco on May 17th. They cite legal opinions that prevent such “guilt by association” arguments by the State. More at the link.

http://www.breitbart.com/texas/2015/08/02/waco-bikers-prosecution-persists-with-guilt-by-association-arguments/

It is going to be interesting to see how the establishment will try to make like a cat in a litter box covering up their fuckup and the truth of who really started and finished the killings.

The lawsuits are going to be frigging huge but I fear the truly guilty will not have a hair on their heads disturbed.





Why the need for such a gag order? I think we know the answer to that.

[Dogman]

Why the need for such a gag order? I think we know the answer to that.


He He.

The pigs and associates are afraid, very afraid, because they know they screwed up and are probably trying to limit the fallout that is going to hit their very pointy heads !

[mick silver]

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[Dogman]

anymore news dog

Naw!

Slow movement drag out!

Sent from my Nexus 7

[cheka.]

http://www.texaspolicenews.com/default.aspx?act=Newsletter.aspx&category=News+1-2&newsletterid=68121&menugroup=Home

WACO, Texas (AP) -- A local judge has been removed from overseeing the first trial stemming from the deadly shootout between bikers and police in Waco, Texas, that resulted in more than 150 arrests.

Texas District Judge Ralph Strother was recused Monday, marking the fourth case he's been removed from related to the 2015 shootings that killed nine people and wounded 20 others outside a Twin Peaks restaurant.

Investigators said motorcycle clubs were meeting at the restaurant when a fight broke out between the Cossacks and the Bandidos, which the Texas Department of Public Safety categorizes as an outlaw motorcycle gang. The fight spilled into the parking lot as three police SWAT officers responded with rifle fire.

The suspects' attorneys argued Strother was biased, with three noting that the judge required bikers to appear in court so prosecutors could serve them with DNA warrants. The attorneys said the move showed Strother coordinated with prosecutors on matters that required neutrality.

The only other state judge in Waco, District Judge Matt Johnson, was named to replace Strother on Tuesday. But his appointment was also challenged.

McLennan County's district attorney said the latest ruling wouldn't affect the cases.

The first biker scheduled to go on trial is 35-year-old Christopher "Jake" Carrizal, a train conductor and member of the Bandidos motorcycle club's Dallas chapter. Johnson was set to oversee jury selection on Tuesday, but Carrizal's attorney filed a motion during the judge's opening remarks to have the judge removed. After a lengthy hearing Tuesday, a visiting judge declined to remove Johnson.

Ballistics reports seen by The Associated Press show that four of the people killed were struck by bullets from Waco police rifles, and that two of them were struck only by bullets fired from police weapons.

A grand jury last September declined to recommend charges for the officers after they were cleared by an internal investigation.

[Harryjalk]

I like biking. So peaceful. So quiet on the road. The fresh air. Sunlight. Freedom.

Biking is a good habit. Most of the people love to ride bike like you.
Me also like ride bike.
Most of the people can't try to ride bike. I think it is not a good idea.

[Dogman]

Lets cut the dude slack and see where this goes, for sure there is language barriers. This one can really be from bangladesh tho mods can check ip's to see for sure.

So far not spamming and it may be interesting to see what happens, but major barriers of culture and language translation may happen.

As are evident at this point !

Live and let live, unless other wise called for..

Peace !

Hi Harryjalk !

IP'S are everything , mods !

;D

[SockPuppet]

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[cheka.]

bikers strike back --

http://www.texaspolicenews.com/default.aspx?act=Newsletter.aspx&category=News+1-2&newsletterid=69220&menugroup=Home

Affidavit alleges FBI probe into DA Reyna's activities 'ongoing'

A federal public corruption investigation of McLennan County District Attorney Abel Reyna that reportedly involves his dismissing criminal cases for friends and donors remains ongoing, according to a sworn affidavit from a former veteran police detective filed Tuesday in two Twin Peaks shootout cases.

Retired Waco police Detective Sherry Kingrey said in the sworn statement, dated Dec. 11, that she provided information about Reyna and his “close friends,” who Kingrey said were organizers of an “illegal gambling operation in Waco,” to FBI agent Fred Rhea.

Rhea, in turn, put Kingrey in touch with FBI agent Dan Brust, Kingrey’s affidavit said.

FBI spokeswoman Michelle Lee said last week that she could neither confirm nor deny the existence of an investigation of Reyna.

“Agent Brust informed me that, although he could not share the details with me, he was conducting a public corruption investigation in relation to” Reyna, states the retired detective’s affidavit. “... To my knowledge, this investigation is still ongoing and I am personally aware that federal investigations often take longer to complete than state investigations.”

Fort Worth attorneys Brian Bouffard, who represents Twin Peaks biker Jorge Daniel Salinas, and Conrad Beyer, who represents biker Billy Jason McRee, attached Kingrey’s sworn statement to motions filed Tuesday seeking to compel Reyna’s office to provide evidence in the Twin Peaks cases and to ask 19th State District Judge Ralph Strother to set a hearing in the matter.

Reyna did not return phone messages left Tuesday at his office and on his cellphone.

Kingrey, a 32-year veteran of the Waco Police Department, clashed with Reyna’s office four years ago when she accused a member of Reyna’s staff of searching through DA’s office files and leaking information to members of a suspected auto theft ring.

The staff member was not arrested, but resigned the office shortly after Kingrey leveled the accusations. Strother conducted a contentious hearing in which the DA’s office and defense attorneys tried to force Kingrey to identify her confidential sources in the case.

Strother ruled it was not necessary for Kingrey to reveal her sources and Reyna dismissed the charges against seven defendants in the auto theft ring, including at least one who was a suspect in a capital murder case involving an arson.

Attached to Kingrey’s sworn affidavit is an email from Brust dated Feb. 27, 2013, in which he established protocols “for passing information to the FBI in their ongoing investigation into” Reyna, Kingrey said.

Reyna has denied that he is now or ever was under investigation.

Kingrey says that while she was a detective, she began receiving information about an illegal gambling operation in Waco, adding that the organizers of the operation were”close friends” with Reyna. Kingrey said she had information that the organizers made “under-the-table contributions to him in exchange for political favors.”

“I also received information and my investigation appeared to confirm that Reyna would make prosecutorial decisions based upon political opportunism and would arrange to have a particular special prosecutor appointed in order to have cases dismissed for supporters,” Kingrey’s affidavit says.

Reyna’s former first assistant, Greg Davis, also has spoken to the FBI about Reyna’s actions and has said in a sworn statement that he resigned because he could not abide the “two-tiered justice system” that Reyna established in his office in which he dismissed criminal cases for his friends and donors.

Waco attorney Brittany Scaramucci, a former felony prosecutor, gave a sworn statement in which she also charged that Reyna recused his office and arranged for a special prosecutor to dismiss cases for his supporters.

Her affidavit also said she was present when one of her former clients told the FBI he supplied cocaine to Reyna.

In a statement Tuesday, Bouffard and Beyer said that Reyna has dismissed Davis and Scaramucci as “disgruntled former employees” while quashing attempts by Twin Peaks attorneys to place him under oath in hearings seeking to disqualify him.

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this out today -

http://www.galvnews.com/news_ap/nation/article_81cfd8d0-dc38-5351-aafd-ec348e5434f7.html

Texas prosecutor dismisses more cases tied to biker shooting

WACO, Texas (AP) — A Texas prosecutor on Wednesday dismissed another 13 cases against bikers stemming from a 2015 shootout in Waco involving bikers and police, citing evidence from a federal racketeering trial against leaders of the Bandidos Motorcycle Club that began this week.

The evidence, including transcripts of a lengthy wiretap operation against former Bandidos vice president John Portillo, helps prove the theory that members of the Bandidos traveled to Waco to confront members of a rival club, the Cossacks, McLennan County District Attorney Abel Reyna said during a press conference.

"That is what we have stated all along, that there was an issue" between the groups, he said.

Assistant U.S. Attorney Eric Fuchs did not immediately respond to a request for comment, but KSAT-TV reported that federal prosecutors asked the judge for assurance that the ongoing legal action in Waco would have no bearing on the trial.

The May 2015 shootout left nine bikers dead and 20 injured. Documents show that in the aftermath of the shooting, Reyna ordered police to arrest members of both groups as well as their support clubs. Police charged and jailed 177 bikers on identical charges of engaging in organized criminal activity.

Ballistics evidence showed that police bullets struck four bikers, killing at least two of them. The three officers involved in the shooting were no-billed by a grand jury after being cleared by an internal investigation.

Bikers' attorneys have argued that Reyna's involvement in the case makes him a material witness, and have pledged to make him testify to corruption allegations made in affidavits signed by former employees and a former Waco police officer.

Earlier this month, Reyna dismissed 13 cases hours before a hearing where he was due to testify. Reyna has recused his office from prosecuting another three cases. The sole case to be tried resulted in a mistrial in November. The second trial of the bikers is set to begin April 2.

Reyna said in a statement Wednesday that the dismissals were "an effort to narrow in on those most culpable," and denied the corruption allegations.

Of the original 154 bikers indicted, prosecutors are still pursuing 128 cases. Reyna said his office would not pursue cases against 32 bikers who were arrested but not indicted.

Reyna faces a Republican primary election March 6.

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http://www.texaspolicenews.com/default.aspx?act=Newsletter.aspx&category=News+1-2&newsletterid=70103&menugroup=Home

Bikers help primary opponent defeat Texas prosecutor in Waco

Voters have routed the Texas prosecutor pursuing charges against more than a hundred bikers in cases stemming from a fatal 2015 shootout involving bikers and police outside a restaurant in Waco.

Local bikers heartily campaigned for Abel Reyna's Republican opponent in Tuesday's primary election. The result means attorney Barry Johnson will run uncontested for McLennan County district attorney in November.

The shooting left nine bikers dead and 20 injured. Investigators say it was sparked by tensions between the Cossacks and Bandidos motorcycle groups.

More than 150 bikers were originally indicted, accused of engaging in organized criminal activity. The only case to go to trial so far resulted in a mistrial in November. Reyna recently dismissed 26 other cases.

Johnson has criticized Reyna's handling of the cases and pledged to take a fresh look if elected.

[midnight rambler]

We killed some of your friends and fucked you over in general. An apology will not be forthcoming from us.

https://www.wacotrib.com/news/da-dismisses-remaining-twin-peaks-biker-cases/article_124b9c6f-d3ab-581b-bb85-56ed33560735.html