ShortJohnSilver
19th May 2015, 02:22 AM
When we have a proven, incontrovertible showing of continual lies, lasting for centuries, that are then shown to be falsehoods ... we should take the time to educate ourselves about it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khmelnytsky_Uprising
see this section
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khmelnytsky_Uprising#Jews
Note that earlier claims were "oy vey, over 100,000 killed, as many as 500,000" - even respected historian Martin Gilbert subscribed to the "over 100,000" number.
HOWEVER:
A 2003 study by Israeli demographer Shaul Stampfer of Hebrew University dedicated solely to the issue of Jewish casualties in the uprising concludes that 18,000–20,000 Jews were killed out of a total population of 40,000.[27] Paul Robert Magocsi states that Jewish chroniclers of the 17th century "provide invariably inflated figures with respect to the loss of life among the Jewish population of Ukraine. The numbers range from 60,000–80,000 (Nathan Hannover) to 100,000 (Sabbatai Cohen), but that "[t]he Israeli scholars Shmuel Ettinger and Bernard D. Weinryb speak instead of the 'annihilation of tens of thousands of Jewish lives', and the Ukrainian-American historian Jarowlaw Pelenski narrows the number of Jewish deaths to between 6,000 and 14,000".[28]
Seems oddly familiar.... not sure if maybe we can see any other cases of such numbers being grossly overstated ... nothing comes to mind at the moment, however!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khmelnytsky_Uprising
see this section
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khmelnytsky_Uprising#Jews
Note that earlier claims were "oy vey, over 100,000 killed, as many as 500,000" - even respected historian Martin Gilbert subscribed to the "over 100,000" number.
HOWEVER:
A 2003 study by Israeli demographer Shaul Stampfer of Hebrew University dedicated solely to the issue of Jewish casualties in the uprising concludes that 18,000–20,000 Jews were killed out of a total population of 40,000.[27] Paul Robert Magocsi states that Jewish chroniclers of the 17th century "provide invariably inflated figures with respect to the loss of life among the Jewish population of Ukraine. The numbers range from 60,000–80,000 (Nathan Hannover) to 100,000 (Sabbatai Cohen), but that "[t]he Israeli scholars Shmuel Ettinger and Bernard D. Weinryb speak instead of the 'annihilation of tens of thousands of Jewish lives', and the Ukrainian-American historian Jarowlaw Pelenski narrows the number of Jewish deaths to between 6,000 and 14,000".[28]
Seems oddly familiar.... not sure if maybe we can see any other cases of such numbers being grossly overstated ... nothing comes to mind at the moment, however!