View Full Version : UK nursing agencies making billions bleeding Health Dept dry
singular_me
1st June 2015, 12:15 PM
paid for/by taxpayers
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How nursing agencies making billions are bleeding the NHS dry
Monday 1st June 2015
‘The extraordinary boom in agencies supplying doctors and nurses to the NHS amid a rapidly deepening deficit in the health service is revealed today.
An investigation by The Telegraph shows how total revenue at 10 of Britain’s biggest medical recruiters rose by almost 40 per cent over three years, with the companies posting overall takings of £7.7 billion since 2009.
The businessmen running the agencies are earning up to £950,000 a year and living expensive lifestyles in properties worth millions of pounds, prompting warnings last night that the NHS needed “to get a grip”
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/health/news/11642267/How-nursing-agencies-making-billions-are-bleeding-the-NHS-dry.html
Glass
1st June 2015, 12:44 PM
Excuse: they can't find the staff, so they hire the staff from an agency on temp contracts. Anyone see the stupidity of that logic? How is it the agency can find staff but the hospitals can't. Maybe the hospitals aren't allowed to actually look.
Dogman
1st June 2015, 01:06 PM
Doc's and other licensed health care workers can always find employment, unless they are black listed!
Why in the holly hell would they need to use a placement agency?
Professional degree's that are not liberal arts graduate workers of good standing would never need these services!
But all other trades may sometimes need them!
Unless there is a glut health workers, which in these times I seriously doubt!
There is always a market for professional health degreed workers I suspect worldwide!
I call the op suspicious!
Neuro
1st June 2015, 01:12 PM
Excuse: they can't find the staff, so they hire the staff from an agency on temp contracts. Anyone see the stupidity of that logic? How is it the agency can find staff but the hospitals can't. Maybe the hospitals aren't allowed to actually look.
The hospitals may pay a nurse £2000/month, while at an agency the nurse may earn £3-5000. Of course the nurse prefers to earn more, so she goes to the agency, the hospital doesn't have enough nurses, and instead of raising the salary, they pay double or triple to an agency for a nurse. Socialist economics at its best. Union demands that unqualified hospital staff almost earns what a specialist nurse earns, thus hospitals cant raise salaries of nurses, nurses go abroad or to agency. Lack of nurses at hospitals...
Neuro
1st June 2015, 01:16 PM
Doc's and other licensed health care workers can always find employment, unless they are black listed!
Why in the holly hell would they need to use a placement agency?
Professional degree's that are not liberal arts graduate workers of good standing would never need these services!
But all other trades may sometimes need them!
Unless there is a glut health workers, which in these times I seriously doubt!
There is always a market for professional health degreed workers I suspect worldwide!
I call the op suspicious!
No don't underestimate the stupidity of socialist economy. Same situation in Sweden!
Serpo
1st June 2015, 01:20 PM
UK nursing agencies making billions bleeding Sick Dept dry
fixed it
Dogman
1st June 2015, 01:23 PM
The hospitals may pay a nurse £2000/month, while at an agency the nurse may earn £3-5000. Of course the nurse prefers to earn more, so she goes to the agency, the hospital doesn't have enough nurses, and instead of raising the salary, they pay double or triple to an agency for a nurse. Socialist economics at its best. Union demands that unqualified hospital staff almost earns what a specialist nurse earns, thus hospitals cant raise salaries of nurses, nurses go abroad or to agency. Lack of nurses at hospitals...
Something screwy with that logic!
Unless they do not know what the agency pays the worker compared to what they pay out, unless Kickback's are involved!
But there is a twisted logic to it, since the worker is a contract worker the hospital does not not need to provide benefits to the worker since they are contracted worker's!
So the hospital gets out cheaper in the long run, or any business that uses this model's because the worker is not a direct employee because they are contacted workers !
So there is a sound logic behind it!
Good for everyone but the employee!
Neuro
1st June 2015, 03:28 PM
Something screwy with that logic!
Unless they do not know what the agency pays the worker compared to what they pay out, unless Kickback's are involved!
But there is a twisted logic to it, since the worker is a contract worker the hospital does not not need to provide benefits to the worker since they are contracted worker's!
So the hospital gets out cheaper in the long run, or any business that uses this model's because the worker is not a direct employee because they are contacted workers !
So there is a sound logic behind it!
Good for everyone but the employee!
There is only one employer, the hospitals are state owned and financed with tax payer money mainly. The salary at the hospital is decided through a union negotiation, there is no flexibility, no free market. The agencies compete with the hospital for specialist nurses and dr's, which the hospitals have to have to function. The agency is by law forced to provide the same benefit as the hospital to the employee, often they give more. The agencies eek out a living of the impossible socialist illusion that a cleaner and a neurosurgeon shouldn't have too much salary difference. The cleaner may make aproximately $2,500 while the experienced neurosurgeon makes $8,000. An old friend of mine used to be a neurosurgeon and he is now working as a general practitioner for an agency renting him out to a care center and makes instead $20,000/month. Of course it is a total waste of his talent to have him sit and write prescriptions of anti-depressants, anti-hypertensives and painkillers, but for him it makes financial sense...
Dogman
1st June 2015, 04:25 PM
There is only one employer, the hospitals are state owned and financed with tax payer money mainly. The salary at the hospital is decided through a union negotiation, there is no flexibility, no free market. The agencies compete with the hospital for specialist nurses and dr's, which the hospitals have to have to function. The agency is by law forced to provide the same benefit as the hospital to the employee, often they give more. The agencies eek out a living of the impossible socialist illusion that a cleaner and a neurosurgeon shouldn't have too much salary difference. The cleaner may make aproximately $2,500 while the experienced neurosurgeon makes $8,000. An old friend of mine used to be a neurosurgeon and he is now working as a general practitioner for an agency renting him out to a care center and makes instead $20,000/month. Of course it is a total waste of his talent to have him sit and write prescriptions of anti-depressants, anti-hypertensives and painkillers, but for him it makes financial sense...
Wow !
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