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General of Darkness
3rd June 2015, 03:12 AM
Just read this.

Michael Collins Piper, 1960-2015, Rest in Peace

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Our dearest
friend, Mike, passed away this past weekend, apparently resulting from
his heart condition made worse by the stress he endured first in losing
his job, being forced to relocate out here to Idaho and then the housefire that took place 3 weeks ago, forcing him to relocate again.
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Michael Collins Piper's Biography :
I've been writing for some 25 years. My critics deny me the label
"journalist" and call me a "neo-Nazi" a "bigot," an "anti-Semite,"
"filth," and other such choice titles, although most people who know me -
including my Jewish friends—think I'm a pretty nice guy, even if they
don't necessarily agree with everything I write. I am best known — and
most reviled — for having written a book entitled "FINAL JUDGMENT: THE
MISSING LINK IN THE JFK ASSASSINATION CONSPIRACY," which makes the
'controversial" allegation that Israel's intelligence service, the
Mossad, was closely connected with many of the key figures widely
"linked" by other writers to the JFK assassination conspiracy and that,
in fact, Israel's friends and assets in the United States and elsewhere
played a role in the JFK assassination precisely because President
Kennedy was adamantly determined to prevent Israel from assembling an
arsenal of nuclear weapons of mass destruction. My critics say that my
book is driven by an "anti-Israel" or "anti-Semitic" agenda and I am the
first to admit that — from the beginning of my career in writing — I
have been an outspoke critic of US favoritism for Israel. And it is
precisely this interest in U.S. Middle East policy that led me to
explore JFK's policies toward Israel (which few JFK assassination
researchers had EVER explored).

Many people pretend to have read my book when they are knocking it down,
and some even call me a "racist" not realizing that the introduction to
the book was written by Dr. Robert L. Brock, the veteran
African-American civil rights activist who is widely known as "the
reparations man," having been the grandfather of the modern-day
movement for reparations for American descendants of persons who were
taken captive in the trans-Atlantic African slave trade!

It was only well after my book was first published that I learned that
veteran JFK researcher Penn Jones (the so-called "grand old man" of the
researchers") had written back in the 1970s, not once, but twice, that
looking in the direction of Israel's intelligence service in exploring
the JFK assassination conspiracy appeared to be quite reasonable — a
point that most of my critics are probably unaware of and will be
hard-pressed to explain away, without perhaps labeling Penn Jones as I
have been labeled.

I should note that I have worked closely over the years with attorney
Mark Lane, author of RUSH TO JUDGMENT, A CITIZEN'S DISSENT, and
PLAUSIBLE DENIAL, the latter book being the volume that describes CIA
man E. Howard Hunt's lawsuit against Liberty Lobby, the institution
which employed me from 1980 through 2001.

Through my association with Liberty Lobby I not only came to know Mark
quite well — and have been a guest in his home many times — but I also
became well acquainted with a number of individuals who have been, in
one fashion or another, become intimately connected to circumstances
surrounding the JFK assassination, the anti-Castro Cuban movement, etc.

Among them: Victor Marchetti, author of THE CIA AND THE CULT OF
INTELLIGENCE, the late Time-Life correspondent Andrew St. George, whose
work is known to anyone with any serious knowledge of the Cuban
Revolution and the CIA's activities in the region (Andrew being a close
pal of Frank Sturgis, and, at one time, Fidel himself), and the late
Fletcher Prouty.

Actually, I'm being modest here. The truth is that Mark Lane, Victor
Marchetti and Andrew St. George have not just been business associates.
They've been good friends — and all of them very valued friends, in
more ways than one.

My book has sold just under 50,000 copies, both here and abroad, which
is considerably more than perhaps MOST of the other books on the JFK
assassination and although the false legend has it that I am a
"celebrated speaker" at so-called "neo-Nazi" and "KKK events" the truth
is that my largest audiences have been abroad in such places as
Malaysia and Japan where hardly a "neo-Nazi" or "KKKer" is to be found.

My critics contend that I focus on the issue of Israel in my writings. I
am proud to say that is precisely correct. Having seen my own older
brother ravaged by his service during the Vietnam War, I became — as a
teenager — a foe of needless foreign wars and in watching all-out U.S.
support for Israel, I predicted more than 25 years ago that the United
States would get bogged down in the Middle East and ultimately subjected
to a terrorist attack relating to U.S. involvement in the Middle East.

I am a determined critic of U.S. support for Israel and have been proud
to share friendship with a number of other outspoken critics of U.S.
support for Israel including the aforementioned Mark Lane, Dr. Alfred
Lilienthal, and the late Haviv Schieber (who served as the first mayor
of Beersheba in Palestine---before the founding of Israel—near where
Israel's officially non-existent nuclear weapons plant at Dimona is
located).

And --- guess what --- all of the aforementioned happen to be Jewish
(but they've been called "anti-Semitic" by the Anti-Defamation League
and other elements of the Israeli lobby.)

The truth is that if I didn't have the wide-ranging background and
knowledge about Israel — coupled with no hesitation in daring to explore
areas (involving Israel) that other JFK "researchers" are fearful of
exploring — I would have never been able to write FINAL JUDGMENT in the
first place.

I have no official website on my own, but — as my critics well know — it
is possible to do a search of "Michael Collins Piper" on google and
find all sorts of stuff about me, both pro- and con.

Although my critics — many of whom are rather disingenuous, to say the
least — like to suggest that only "Nazis" promote my works, serious
open-minded researchers will find that my writings have been featured
on a wide variety of venues and endorsed by progressive-minded folks of
all races, creeds and colors.

I write regularly for American Free Press, which has a website at
americanfreepress.net and also The Barnes Review which has a website at
barnesreview.org.

Needless to say, I don't agree with everything that appears in these
publications nor, necessarily do other writers for these publications
agree with what I write. But there's something called "freedom of
expression" that a lot of my critics do not understand. And as anyone
who has ever dared to touch on the topic of Israel and its power in
official Washington knows well, topics relating to anything to do with
Israel and related issues are considered "special" and, in some
respects, beyond discussion.

Although I spent many hours --- perhaps needlessly --- trying to
rationally discuss the subject of FINAL JUDGMENT on other JFK
assassination related discussion groups (with my critics instead
focusing not on the JFK assassination but instead on the subject of the
Holocaust), I have opted to request permission to post — if only once —
on the Education Forum since the thread of discussion about me
(although not about my book and its thesis!) seems to be, by far, the
topic of most interest at this time.

If granted the right to post on the forum, I certainly intend to respond
to many distortions and some of the eggregious and bigoted and
hate-filled name calling directed at me (much of it hysterical in tone
and obviously agenda-driven), but, more importantly, I would like to
discuss SPECIFICS about my book, not generalities, and not just
ASSUMPTIONS AND PRESUMPTIONS made by people based on what they've heard
about me (and about the book) from others, most of whom have never even
read the book

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jack1878
3rd June 2015, 06:31 PM
Very sad news. MCP will go down as the man who solved the JFK puzzle, substantively at least. He signed and sent me a copy of FJ a few years back, and although I didn't know him very well. he was clearly a man of great courage.

osoab
3rd June 2015, 07:04 PM
Our dearest
friend, Mike, passed away this past weekend, apparently resulting from
his heart condition made worse by the stress he endured first in losing
his job, being forced to relocate out here to Idaho and then the housefire that took place 3 weeks ago, forcing him to relocate again.

Who fired him?

Dogman
3rd June 2015, 07:16 PM
Speaking on fired, accidental or deliberately burned out of his house?

PatColo
4th June 2015, 12:53 AM
I was sorry to see Marc Glenn 'eulogize' MCP, attributing 'reasons' for his demise at the young-ish age of 55. Similar to Michael Ruppert, alcoholism brought MCP down. That was at the root of his "health problems" and why he was 'fired' from America Free Press, which at the time was attempted to be spun as "due to his pushing the official sandyhoax narrative." I was unaware that MCP had moved in with MG in the recent yearor so.

Anyways, with the "DON'T SPEAK ILL OF THE DEAD!" rule hanging over me, I wish that wherever MCP lies, he does so in peace.

jack1878
4th June 2015, 01:12 AM
VT is already saying it was a hit but really, could the Zionists be bothered? Then again...

However, MCP's contribution can't be diminished. To write a book like that in 1994 took incredible balls.

osoab
14th June 2015, 11:09 AM
Spingola stands in for Clint.

Summer Break Number 05, June 03, 2015 (https://corporationnationradioarchives.wordpress.com/2015/06/06/summer-break-number-05-june-03-2015/) Tonight’s Show is a Memorial to Michael Collins Piper! Former RBN Host and Journalist par excellence! Michael Never Ran Away From Any Issue, and was hated and belittled for that by.. the Zionist Media! Even the Alternative Media steered clear of Michael’s Work! To Illustrate this: When Tragedy & Hope INC! .. did a Public Relations Podcast on the JFK Assassination – (minutes short of 20 hours long).. Mr. Piper’s Research didn’t even receive a mention in those 20 hours, although T&H was provided with a copy of “Final Judgement” by Me! As Deanna remarks during the show, “Final Judgement” is the most thoroughly researched book on the JFK Assassination. Michael will be sorely missed. RIP Mike, You did way more than Your Fair Share! Another Show plays Tribute to Mr. Piper Collins: http://carolynyeager.net/salute-michael-collins-piper-1960-2015 (http://carolynyeager.net/salute-michael-collins-piper-1960-2015)
To Download: https://corporationnationradioarchives.files.wordpress.com/2015/06/sb05_june03.mp3

PatColo
16th August 2015, 07:35 AM
a Coeur d'Alene paper published this 7/3, little over a month after MCP croaked.


Death raises questions (http://www.cdapress.com/news/local_news/article_924e812e-1518-5dfb-b89a-09210fcf5ef9.html)

Man who died in Cd'A motel was a conspiracy theorist

Posted: Friday, July 3, 2015 12:00 am

JEFF SELLE and MAUREEN DOLAN/jselle@cdapress.com, mdolan@cdapress.com | 5 comments


(http://www.cdapress.com/news/local_news/article_924e812e-1518-5dfb-b89a-09210fcf5ef9.html#user-comment-area) COEUR d'ALENE - A national celebrity journalist among conspiracy theorists, but considered an anti-Semite by some members of the Jewish community, Michael Collins Piper, 54, died alone in a local motel room in late May.


The news is being quietly debated online, and in the tradition of Piper's life work, conspiracy theories about his death are starting to emerge.





Piper was found by a housekeeper in room 216 of the Budget Saver Motel on Sherman Avenue on May 30, but had obviously died prior to that date, according to Coeur d'Alene Police reports.


The manager of the motel told police that Piper checked in on May 14, and was scheduled to check out June 4. The manager told police he last recalled seeing Piper on the morning of May 29.


When police went into the room to identify the body, Piper had strange blisters on his back that were weeping fluid, so the patrol officers called in detectives and contacted the coroner's office.


"He had multiple blisters forming on his neck and right elbow," the responding officer wrote in his report. "Also, something appeared to be soaking through his shirt on his back."


The officer reported that Coeur d'Alene Fire Department was also on the scene and said the blisters and stain on Piper's back looked "very odd."


As police waited for the detectives to arrive at the scene, the responding officers contacted a guest, Chad Dalton, who had been living in room 217 for about a month. Dalton told police he had only met Piper briefly before his death, but he added that he did hear tapping noises coming from Piper's room around 11 p.m. the night before his body was found.


When detectives arrived at the scene, they began taking photographs and investigating the room. They found several pieces of mail with the name Michael Collins Piper on them, and one of the detectives thought the name was familiar.


"He remembered this name being related to a male who was a conspiracy theorist," the detective wrote, adding there didn't appear to be any signs of foul play, and the room was locked from the inside when the body was found.


When Deputy Coroner Lynn Acevedo arrived she told detectives she thought the blisters were from accelerated decomposition of the body because its was 80-85 degrees in the room, and she said certain medical conditions could speed that process too.


The detectives and coroner decided at that point to slate the body for an autopsy, but eventually the procedure was canceled.


While moving the body, police found Piper's wallet, which contained a large amount of cash in $5 bills, and they were able to confirm Piper's identity. He also had a card in his wallet that said he had a heart valve replacement in April 2014.


One detective looked through Piper's computer tablet and found additional information about him, including the fact that Piper had suffered a heart attack in 2013 and had diabetes.


The coroner said diabetes would accelerate decomposition, but she would attempt to contact Piper's doctor to better understand his medical issues.
"Michael appears to have had some medical issues with his heart and is a possible diabetic," the detective concluded in his report. "There was no evidence anyone was involved in a criminal act to cause the death of Michael, and this death appears to be of natural causes."


After talking with his doctor, Acevedo told detectives that Piper was a non-compliant diabetic along with his heart ailment, and she was going to rule the death as "natural."


Acevedo wrote in the coroner's report that the cause of death was a "probable Myocardial Infarction, Ischemic Cardiomyopathy and Coronary Artery Disease," and listed diabetes as another significant condition.


The coroner's report also indicates that toxicology results were consistent with her findings and that no autopsy was conducted.


"This case is being closed and there is no need for further investigation," the detective wrote in his final report.


Another detective was able to contact Piper's close friend Mark Glenn, of Careywood, who told him that Piper had been living with him for approximately five months, but a house fire had forced Piper to find a new rental home in Coeur d'Alene on Seventh Street.


Glenn told police that Piper had moved all his possessions into the house, and was living at the motel until he could get his things unpacked.


"Glenn also told me Michael was in very bad health," his report said. "Michael was crippled to a point and could barely walk."


Glenn did not respond to a Press request for an interview. On his blog, theuglytruth.wordpress.com (http://theuglytruth.wordpress.com), Glenn wrote that he helped move Piper to Idaho after Piper was terminated from his job at American Free Press. AFP is a weekly digital and print publication often cited as anti-Semitic. Glenn indicated Piper left the publication on bad terms.


That termination and Piper's death have many of his readers now speculating if there was a conspiracy involved.


"Did Israel Assassinate Michael Collins Piper," reads the headline in a story published by Veterans Today, a website that describes itself as a journal for the clandestine community.


"Collins led the war against AIPAC (American Israel Public Affairs Committee) and the ADL (Anti-Defamation League) and the Kosher mafia when others now considered 'experts' knew nothing at all," wrote Veterans Today senior editor Gordon Duff, in the article published June 3. "News quickly spread about his 'heart condition' and how he died of natural causes. Then again, Abe Foxman is still alive and Netanyahu's attic portrait is oozing hideousity."
Duff wrote he believes Piper was likely murdered.


"Moreover, I also believe his heart condition was induced as well," he added.


The confusion prompted Wikipedia to flag the death information on Piper's page as unfounded and in need of citations. The website posted a link to its "talk page" for people to discuss the details of Piper's life and death.


Piper's brother, Tom Piper, of Pennsylvania, said he could not tell The Press much about his brother's journalism career because he had moved away and spent most of his life in Washington, D.C.


"I don't know anything about his career," he said.



More about Piper (http://www.cdapress.com/topic/?q=%22piper%22&t=&l=25&d=&d1=&d2=&f=html&s=&sd=desc&s=start_time)



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PatColo
16th August 2015, 07:47 AM
Additionally, JFetzer of all people (sharply at odds w/MCP over Sandy Hoax), just 7/30 hosted this show with a "MCP death CTist!".... however I listened a couple days ago "with one ear" so I may have missed something, but I don't believe I heard anything above & beyond the "anomalies" cited in the Cd'A paper article above (skin blistering, "tapping noises" @ 11pm night before according to a nearby motel resident, no autopsy). I still say, the totality of evidence suggests to me that MCP drank himself to his premature (extensive health probs &) death.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tcHqkYsy7nA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tcHqkYsy7nA

gunDriller
16th August 2015, 09:13 AM
VT is already saying it was a hit but really, could the Zionists be bothered?


to hit a man when he's down ?

that's their specialty. one of the reasons for their compulsive information gathering.


my guess is, they list every one of us who is honest about Jews & Israel, under whatever screen name
we may use.

That's raw information gathering.

They also expend effort on tying together screen-names, seeing how it dovetails with their

"read world enemies" list.


Think Nixon Paranoia, x 1,000,000 (1 million).


Actually Nixon was just one man, with a small crew.

Jew Paranoia = Nixon Paranoia x 10 Million ?

PatColo
16th August 2015, 10:41 AM
Thing is though, I believe Piper was compromised, not only for the reasons Bollyn laid out (http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?26690-Bollyn-on-DBS-Hufschmid-Piper-Thorn-CIA) years ago, but more recently/conspicuously from MCP's positions on the Sandy Hoax & Boston Hoax-A-Thon 'events', both of which he maintained were real, just as djooz.media.gov purported to us... and he denigrated & ridiculed those who felt otherwise.

Why was MCP broke at the end? Why couldn't a guy who'd held the same steady employment for ~33 years, also with some 'passive income' from his 10/whatever books, never married no kids (Bollyn says 'gay'), have a few bucks squirreled away for 'retirement some day'?? It's already openly conceded he was a boozer; but were (male) hookers & blow part of his lifestyle in "Gay DC" too?

As indicated above, I also expect MCP had some 'taxpayer income' coming his way too, from the spook agency/s. I think some if not all of his books were ghost-written by spooks & attributed to him as 'author'... most certainly his last book, "False Flags" was.

So where did all his money go?! :|~ An Anon at JFriend's site posted this (http://johnfriendsblog.blogspot.com/2015/05/willis-carto-champion-of-american-right.html?showComment=1432942595090#c109338650800 3088644) on the day of his death (coincidence-- "word of his death" didn't really circulate until about June 3rd):


Anonymous May 29, 2015 at 4:36 PM
(http://johnfriendsblog.blogspot.com/2015/05/willis-carto-champion-of-american-right.html?showComment=1432942595090#c109338650800 3088644)

Michael Collins Piper sent me a letter, same as he sent many others who have purchased his books and expressed admiration for him, asking for financial help, stating that he was unceremoniously fired by AFP who refused to help him at all with his medical expenses (which included being hospitalized for open heart surgery). In face he wrote that he is being persecuted and blackballed by Mrs. Carto, who hates him and has stated in his ear, that she wants him dead. He goes on to write that Mr. Carto is suffering from Alzheimers Disease.

Because of being denied help by the Cartos or his former employer, although now confined to a wheelchair, was forced to vacate his home in DC and sell many of his beloved books. It was Mark Glenn in Idaho who then took him in.

I received this letter about three weeks ago, and have heard nothing since. If he had not been so accusatory toward those of us who question the official government story regarding Sandy Hook, and entangled with Mark Glenn, who I have reason to distrust, I would have sent him a donation.



In the boozer paragraph of this Dec '10 MCP open letter after Stadtmiller fired him from RBN, notice his boast at the end:

https://theuglytruth.wordpress.com/2010/12/19/michael-collins-pipers-initial-statement-concerning-his-departure-from-rbn




"I was disturbed to learn that a certain party associated with RBN (who shall go un-named) claimed that I was missing programs because I was an “unreliable drunk” (and was thus, presumably, too drunk to do the show) but the problem with that malicious and mendacious theory is that—as my AFP colleagues can attest—I do not like to drink in the early evening hours so therefore it would be impossible :D for me to be “drunk” and thus unable to broadcast! I only mention this, again, for the official record of my relationship with RBN. And, by the way, there was never once any occasion where I had gotten drunk and couldn’t do the show. I even did MOST of my programs when I was out-of-town on vacation here in the United States."


\uu\

ShortJohnSilver
16th August 2015, 11:37 AM
Why was the autopsy canceled? Strange thing to have happen.

Norweger
16th August 2015, 02:22 PM
Something similar happened to a Norwegian author called Stig Sæterbakken some years back. He was famous in mostly mainstream circles for his writings and at one point he invited David Irving to a Literature Festival to talk about truth in general which caused all sorts of commotion in the Jewish press. He was just to difficult to defame, so my guess is that he was suicided.

PatColo
16th August 2015, 07:42 PM
Why was MCP broke at the end? Why couldn't a guy who'd held the same steady employment for ~33 years, also with some 'passive income' from his 10/whatever books, never married no kids (Bollyn says 'gay'), have a few bucks squirreled away for 'retirement some day'?? It's already openly conceded he was a boozer; but were (male) hookers & blow part of his lifestyle in "Gay DC" too?

FWIW, M.Dankof & D.Duke briefly discuss MCP's alkee addiction, 11:20 min mark:
http://k003.kiwi6.com/hotlink/gqw5jzyj65/Duke.20150608.mp3

On "no autopsy done", that's prolly the most striking cause for suspicion. "body blisters" could be bed-sores from spending most of his time there 'immobile' for long stretches (passed out drunk), as he was essentially confined to a wheelchair, "could barely walk" (legs/feet neuropathy).

His motel room was reportedly locked from the inside... was there a window someone could climb out of after inside-locking his door? A window with a lock which snaps shut upon closing the window all the way? He was last seen alive by motel manager May 29 AM, day before his body discovered. And I gotta ask, what prompted the motel to decide to... what, battering ram his door open? No word of "strong odor" or any such, and his reservation was through June 5... so why the urgency? He'd been dead +/- 24 hours (prolly less); seems short for that sort of body decay/odor.

As to the "tapping noises" around 11 PM May 29; that's the weakest evidence coz it's hearsay from an unknown character in the next room. Tapping noises could have come from another room; or, maybe that's when MCP was having (another) heart attack, his last... and he was in bed, knocking on the wall hoping for help? Just don't know... coz again, hearsay is the weakest form of evidence; just ask any holohoaxer lining up for their "reparations."

But again, quad-bypass open heart surgery in Jan or Feb last year, "massive heart attack" preceding that sometime in '13, "non-compliant diabetic." You can also hear Dankof & Duke above saying how everyone around MCP "knew this was coming."