Forgiveness

[Jewboo]

https://i.imgur.com/jyeSagc.jpg



:)

[Hitch]

Eh, troll post, imo. Forgiving others is an interesting subject. Some view forgiveness as a weakness, others view it as a strength. A quality of character.

In my opinion. God knows all and has the answers. A post like this is a slap in his face.

[Shami-Amourae]

http://s21.postimg.org/edlybj107/1432999465624.jpg

[Jewboo]

In my opinion. God knows all and has the answers. A post like this is a slap in his face.




https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/4d/01/09/4d010944163f2ab85a63854310e91c00.jpg

http://ladyofthelakeparish.org/sites/ladyofthelakeparish.org/files/resize/lost%20sheep02-200x286.jpg


Thank you for your Christian forgiveness.


:rolleyes:

[ximmy]

Rape victim meets her attacker in prison... to forgive him

A rape victim has told how she met the man who attacked her so she could forgive him in person.


Katja Rosenberg, a 40-year-old artist, said she did not think her attacker - currently serving a 14-year prison sentence for her rape and the rape of a 51-year-old woman - had done something “unforgivable”.
And she said she hoped he would be able to “live a successful life” once he was released.
Ms Rosenberg met her attacker through a restorative justice project.
“He was not a scary sight - just a human being sitting at a table, waiting, anxious,” she said of the meeting in an interview with the Daily Mirror.
“I walked over, shook his hand and introduced myself. I wanted to show him it had not affected my life and that I had understood and forgiven him. I wanted to free the past.
“It was positive for me and positive for him. I’d be happy to meet him again if he is released at some stage in the future to work with him to encourage others. The meeting left me feeling we have a deep and extraordinary understanding as human beings.”
Ms Rosenberg, who lives in London, was attacked in October 2006 as she cycled home. The then 16-year-old punched her in the face, stomach and chest and raped her.
Ms Rosenberg said the man, now 23, was brave to agree to see her.
“I do not agree that he did something unforgivable,” she said.
“I feel that I have now given him everything I can for him to be able to believe in himself and to believe he has a future.
“I found him impressive and I saw a lot of character and intelligence and endless courage. I hope he will be able to live a successful life and inspire people.”
She said her attacker took more “honest and uncompromising responsibility” for his actions than most people she had met.
The attack had not ruined her life, she said, “and I hope it will not ruin this young man’s life either."
Ms Rosenberg said she was not allowed to talk about what happened at the meeting, but she said it lasted for two-and-a-half hours.
“I found it a rewarding, uplifting experience,” she said.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/rape-victim-meets-her-attacker-in-prison-to-forgive-him-9047804.html

[ximmy]

Victim's mother tells man who raped and killed her daughter she forgives him as he's sentenced 31 years later
After waiting 31 years for the man who raped and murdered her daughter to face justice, mother Nola Mahon had a message for him as he was finally sentenced in a California courtroom.
'I forgive you,' she told Gregory Seamons, who had pled guilty to charges of manslaughter and rape in the March 1983 murder of 11-year-old Rebecca Lemberger.

'Not for his sake, but for ours,' Mahon said as family and friends around her broke into tears....


'When this happened, my brain wouldn't accept what was going on,' she said. 'I had been praying that she was at a friend's house. When the realization hit, for 29 years I suspected everybody. I suspected family, friends and neighbors. I felt so ashamed.'
Her own father, who survived Nazi-occupied Holland, was brokenhearted at the end of his life over Rebecca's death.

'I understand you were 15 years old,' she told Seamons. 'I don't understand why, but I forgive you.'
After she was finished, Judge Mark DeCarla was shaken and moved by the gesture....


Hearing Maho's words, Seamons began to cry.
'I've thought about it for a long time, and these tears are too late. Nothing I can do can fix this,' Seamons told the court. 'I don't expect the family's forgiveness.'
He also hoped this would finally clear the name of his late father, Larry Bingham Seamons, who he had blamed for the murder in several letters to the media.

'I've recommitted myself to God,' Seamons said. 'I'm not afraid of what Judge DeCaria can do to me, I'm afraid of what God will do with me.'

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2608368/Victims-mother-tells-man-raped-killed-daughter-forgives-hes-sentenced-31-years-later.html#ixzz3cmAsMyd3
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[Shami-Amourae]

^^
You can start to see why Christian culture gave the right fuel for Cultural Marxism.

SJWs are basically just Neo-Puritans.

[ximmy]

http://gold-silver.us/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=7610&stc=1

[Hitch]

Thank you for your Christian forgiveness.


:rolleyes:

You don't have to ask for my forgiveness, ask God. I don't matter in the big scheme of things.

My problem, is when folks use religion, particularly Christianity as an excuse to execute a sin...then, knowingly later, ask for forgiveness.

Hence my comment. You seem to think that religion means you can harm others, then ask for forgiveness, and you are good to go. "God saved me!" "The Devil made me do it, I've repented!!"

It doesn't work that way. Religion is not an excuse that you can use, after committing a sin.

If you are humble and have committed sins (we all do), God will forgive you. I would to, if you harmed me. But a thread like this really is a slap in the face to anyone spiritual.

Forgiveness comes from the heart, both the person harmed, and the person seeking salvation.

[Serpo]

http://s21.postimg.org/edlybj107/1432999465624.jpg

Religion created this rubbish, not God.

[Serpo]

https://i.imgur.com/jyeSagc.jpg



:)



What a stupid post.

[Serpo]

I dont fall for all this religious labeling of God said this or god did this.

These picture posts are quoting religions ,nothing to with God.

Confusing God as religion, is a sign of spiritual ignorance.

The greedy , child molesting, authoritarian , fear mongering religions make God literately want to throw up.......

Atheism is a reaction against religion but still in a similar loop.

[Horn]

If God/Foot had all the answers I fail to see the need for him/it to drive for so long to create the human race.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=unmxBGbaPZA

[crimethink]

Failure to forgive doesn't hurt "them," it hurts you.

[Jewboo]

https://media.8ch.net/4chon/src/1437392546141.jpg

[Shami-Amourae]

Religion created this rubbish, not God.

Man created "God".

[Shami-Amourae]

https://media.8ch.net/4chon/src/1437392546141.jpg







Seems to work out well for the Christians...

http://s11.postimg.org/ban5p0wib/1432615544217.jpg


http://s4.postimg.org/v0ces340d/1435174762925.jpg

[crimethink]

https://media.8ch.net/4chon/src/1437392546141.jpg


I'm not really sure how to fully address such gross dishonesty, as illustrated above:

First, that Jesus Christ was merely a Kike puppet, despite clear definition of Talmud Jews as satanic by Christ and St. John;
Second, that the passage to love one's own enemies applies to vile enemies of God. If we are to practice "absolute non-resistance," one must then explain Luke 22:36, John 2:15, and many other New Testament verses.

[crimethink]

http://s4.postimg.org/v0ces340d/1435174762925.jpg

The real Jesus Christ neither said nor implied any of what is said there.

I'm going to restate here what I did on the other forum:

Long before Aryans adopted Christianity, our race was a people who always - I mean, always - embraced gods, and an ultimate Creative Force - the Germans called Him Uralten. Uralten, not surprisingly, matches description of Yahweh - the Original, Ancient One.

Atheism is very un-Aryan. It comes from materialism, of which the Jews are the current masters.

[Serpo]

Man created "God".


So what do you call the ............... that created everything else,,,,,,,,,,,,Mitsubishi? hahaha

[Serpo]

I'm not really sure how to fully address such gross dishonesty, as illustrated above:

First, that Jesus Christ was merely a Kike puppet, despite clear definition of Talmud Jews as satanic by Christ and St. John;
Second, that the passage to love one's own enemies applies to vile enemies of God. If we are to practice "absolute non-resistance," one must then explain Luke 22:36, John 2:15, and many other New Testament verses.

As long as we search for truth in bibles , religions and other peoples stuff ,external to our very own heart we will remain LOST and in a confused state.

Remain in your head ,......................ego still exists (bunch of mindless thought forms)
forget your heart...........................the place of love

[crimethink]

As long as we search for truth in bibles , religions and other peoples stuff ,external to our very own heart we will remain LOST and in a confused state.

Remain in your head ,......................ego still exists (bunch of mindless thought forms)
forget your heart...........................the place of love


The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?

Jeremiah 17:9


For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies.

Jesus Christ, Matthew 15:19



All the wars and horrors of human history demonstrate, independently of Christ & Jeremiah, that a human heart without the Holy Spirit of Yahweh Elohim guiding it is woefully evil.

Blind faith in the "goodness of the human heart" is extremely dangerous delusion.

[Horn]

Heart is the point of origin of all things, if/when the head is turned in opposition or disconnected is when stupidity follows.

You can't "get to know" yur heart, when its already known and always will be always already the case point of origin, unchanged.

[Shami-Amourae]

So what do you call the ............... that created everything else,,,,,,,,,,,,Mitsubishi? hahaha

What created god?

Something has always existed.

[crimethink]

What created god?

Something has always existed.

According to whom? How is it you "know" this?

[Shami-Amourae]

According to whom? How is it you "know" this?


Well if that's not true then the only other option I can think of is something started from nothing.

[Horn]

Well if that's not true then the only other option I can think of is something started from nothing.

You're missing crimethink's point, he's already converted you.

[Shami-Amourae]

You're missing crimethink's point, he's already converted you.

All of us atheists are secret Satanists. Just don't tell him that.

[crimethink]

Well if that's not true then the only other option I can think of is something started from nothing.

Then you would concur with the account in Genesis. :)

Intelligent design is scientific fact. You can argue which deity designed all that is, but it's absurd & illogical to pretend all that is just "materialized" without a prime mover. And, what "created" God? Nothing! God is outside of our four dimensional space-time. Matter is frozen energy, and "creation" as our feeble human minds can understand it is only applicable to this continuum.

[crimethink]

All of us atheists are secret Satanists. Just don't tell him that.

If one studies Satanism, whatever the variety, but especially the Howard "Anton LaVey" Levey variety, "Satanism" and a(uto)theism are identical: each of us are alleged to be god-like, while denying a real God, and our pleasures are there for the taking.

[Shami-Amourae]

Then you would concur with the account in Genesis. :)

Intelligent design is scientific fact. You can argue which deity designed all that is, but it's absurd & illogical to pretend all that is just "materialized" without a prime mover. And, what "created" God? Nothing! God is outside of our four dimensional space-time. Matter is frozen energy, and "creation" as our feeble human minds can understand it is only applicable to this continuum.

Goddidit.

There. Problem solved.

There's no way I can debate this.

[Serpo]

What created god?

Something has always existed.

The big bang is BS

Always been here, always will be here forever............

[Shami-Amourae]

The big bang is BS

Always been here, always will be here forever............

I've said multiple times that I believe the Big Bang is BS too.

The Big Bang implies something came from nothing too.

[Serpo]

Goddidit.

There. Problem solved.

There's no way I can debate this.

Why would anyone want to debate the existence of the creator, prime source or god.

Its kinda obvious unless a person lives all there life in their mind...........living from one intellectual theory to another..................

[Serpo]

I've said multiple times that I believe the Big Bang is BS too.

The Big Bang implies something came from nothing too.


Its not something the intellect can grasp and why should it...............

[Serpo]

God described by religions as some dude up in the clouds pouring out wraith .................................................. .dosnt exist, this god only exists in people imaginations.

If thats enough to turn people into atheists then its merely a reaction against stupidity and people are too lazy to look any deeper..

[crimethink]

Goddidit.

There. Problem solved.

There's no way I can debate this.

Go ahead. If you have confidence in your position, convince me...convince anyone.

Name something, anything, in this Universe, of even simple complexity, that originated from non-order. Is the Second Law fact or not?

[crimethink]

Its not something the intellect can grasp and why should it...............

Real freedom lies in wildness, not civilization...As we lose our wild freedoms, we recognize their value in opposition to the tyranny of intellect.

and

As I gained in age and experience, my interest shifted from the scientific toward the mystical. I found that any branch of science pursued to its peripheries ended in mystery. Man could neither explain the miracle of creation or the fact of his awareness, nor conceive the end of space and time. The miracles of science and technology become trivial in the face of the unknowable.

Charles A. Lindbergh, Autobiography of Values


The Jews are masters of the intellect. Intellectualism and materialism go hand-in-hand.

[crimethink]

God described by religions as some dude up in the clouds pouring out wraith .................................................. .dosnt exist, this god only exists in people imaginations.

If thats enough to turn people into atheists then its merely a reaction against stupidity and people are too lazy to look any deeper..

I agree with you. I oppose religion, which is man-made, and endorse only spirituality based upon His Son. If someone says "'god' told me to destroy you!," watch you - you're dealing with a religious fanatic.

[Shami-Amourae]

I agree with you. I oppose religion, which is man-made, and endorse only spirituality based upon His Son. If someone says "'god' told me to destroy you!," watch you - you're dealing with a religious fanatic.


All religions are man-made, except for yours. You don't call it a religion either since it's what you know is true.

[Shami-Amourae]

Go ahead. If you have confidence in your position, convince me...convince anyone.

Name something, anything, in this Universe, of even simple complexity, that originated from non-order. Is the Second Law fact or not?

I honestly can't, since I don't know.

My assumption currently is that it has always existed in some way. The best theory I've seen is the Plasma Universe theory, which is a boring non-New Age "Electric Universe" theory. Frankly though I'm not very convinced of it either so I have no idea the origins of the Universe.

This is more of a chicken and the egg debate. Which came first: the Universe, or a deity? Also, did either of them have a beginning or were they always eternal? I think these things are all unknowable, but to me the idea of a start date of the Universe, and the idea of there being a deity sounds stupid to me, so I don't believe them. They both sound like something invented by humans. I'm open to the possibility I'm wrong.

For all we know the entire Universe could be an entire computer simulation with You as the only operator, and everyone and everything inside is part of the simulation. How would you know otherwise? Maybe You are God.

To me Religion is when you believe to know something. Science is when you know you believe something.

Basically if you understand that your belief may be wrong and constantly doubt yourself you're probably closer to the truth than the person who thinks their way is the the absolute correct way.





Is the Second Law fact or not?

I don't know.

For all I know things may be cyclical. You can't measure that if that were true from what I know since you would only see a slice of time of what happened recently. The Universe might expand and then contract like a heart beat. I'm just pulling these ideas out of my ass by the way, but I'm thinking up possibilities because I don't know.

[Jewboo]

http://api.ning.com/files/Qyn*Uz1WnG9RihWf0Z5vNNvkwtfxh5BmEUVKZtria33Xn0Jeau ydjXMgse3j9qiH54dWNmnmq-dvmrpB5wgZvNzwXtEmnTOW/SmartDarwinThinkerChimp.jpg

:rolleyes: GSUS

[crimethink]

All religions are man-made, except for yours. You don't call it a religion either since it's what you know is true.

And "science" is your religion, which you don't call religion, since you know it's "true."

[crimethink]

I honestly can't, since I don't know.


Then how can you be certain God does not exist? Are you really an atheist, or an agnostic?





For all we know the entire Universe could be an entire computer simulation with You as the only operator, and everyone and everything inside is part of the simulation. How would you know otherwise? Maybe You are God.


Or God is the SYSOP:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-kLKpQjllU

I find no contradiction between Christian teachings and the science of a holographic universe.




To me Religion is when you believe to know something. Science is when you know you believe something.


That's an interesting definition of "science."




Basically if you understand that your belief may be wrong and constantly doubt yourself you're probably closer to the truth than the person who thinks their way is the the absolute correct way.


There comes a point where doubt is absurd, as is illustrated by the case of the Doubting Apostle, Thomas. "I need proof." How much is needed?




I don't know.

For all I know things may be cyclical. You can't measure that if that were true from what I know since you would only see a slice of time of what happened recently. The Universe might expand and then contract like a heart beat. I'm just pulling these ideas out of my ass by the way, but I'm thinking up possibilities because I don't know.

OK, fair enough. You "don't know." I admire your honesty & candor, unlike the weaseling by most "atheists" and "scientists."

[Shami-Amourae]

Then how can you be certain God does not exist? Are you really an atheist, or an agnostic?


Atheist. Here's the difference:

http://s12.postimg.org/jpoqvwlv1/1433636515263.gif

[Shami-Amourae]

Then how can you be certain God does not exist? Are you really an atheist, or an agnostic?

I'm not certain. I just think it's unlikely.





That's an interesting definition of "science."
If you noticed I said "to me".





There comes a point where doubt is absurd, as is illustrated by the case of the Doubting Apostle, Thomas. "I need proof." How much is needed?
I think if a deity existed they would make a presence known. There wouldn't be debate. The priests/priestesses would have divine magical powers. Basically you'd see all of the miracles that are mentioned in the Bible happening today. I think there would also be avatars (a person possessed and remotely controlled) all around of the deity which would allow you to speak to him/her.

On top of that there wouldn't be a bazillion different versions of the religion, and there wouldn't be competing religions unless there were competing deities. In my opinion this reeks of being all man made.

[crimethink]

I think if a deity existed they would make a presence known.


In a manner pleasing or satisfying to you, yes?




There wouldn't be debate.


Then it wouldn't be faith.

God could "show Himself" boldly & unavoidably, and prove to everyone "I exist," but what point would there be to that? What if this life is indeed a "test"? God could also force us to do His will at all times, and then we'd just be robots. God could displace evil now, but then why would anyone seek Him out on their own volition? Evil, by the way, is not a thing in and of itself, but an absence of goodness, like darkness is the absence of light. God could displace evil by forcing His full Being into every point of existence, but then it goes back to the free will aspect. Likewise, God does not "send" anyone to Hell, but merely accommodates human desire to not be in His presence.

What if God has shown Himself, but just not in a manner that you find acceptable?



Basically you'd see all of the miracles that are mentioned in the Bible happening today.


Miracles do occur today. There are countless "unexplained phenomena" that occur. There is this mythical image of Christ, that all He did was miracle after miracle after miracle, all day & all night, and because miracles are not a constant in everyone's life all the time, they don't occur. That simply isn't the case.

Miracles are performed sparingly, for if the norm, they wouldn't be miracles, but ordinary natural processes.





I think there would also be avatars (a person possessed and remotely controlled) all around of the deity which would allow you to speak to him/her.


You are conceiving of God in your own image, or, possibly, maybe even subconsciously, in an image the Psychodrome has placed into your mind.




On top of that there wouldn't be a bazillion different versions of the religion, and there wouldn't be competing religions unless there were competing deities. In my opinion this reeks of being all man made.

Only one faith has "proven" itself, with a literal Son of God coming to Earth, and demonstrating what He said was true by the miracle - or, as now understood, quantum phenomenon - of the Resurrection. No other pretend god has done this. Sure, the other religions all claim it so, but have really nothing to offer.

I was a firm Doubting Thomas much of my life, but Gibson's Passion inspired me: "man, that was fucked up what they did to him." And then, I discovered the Shroud, and that was the final weight to the measure that led me back to Christ. "Oh, it's fake, just a medieval painting!" - "Oh, 'scientists' 'proved' it was made in the 1300s!" - "Oh, it's just another false Catholic relic, like the pieces of the 'true cross'!"

Actually, no, it's not, and no, they didn't. As you probably remember, I am a trained Anthropologist. I've studied artifacts too numerous to count. A great deal of them artifacts that "don't belong" or "shouldn't exist" (the Antikythera is just the beginning). When I started, the Shroud was just an old piece of cloth of unknown provenance, likely a hoax. When I was finished, I now believe - know - it is the most important artifact of human history. It has no near parallel, and the Image does what no other image of any technology can do. Not merely a bunch of crackpots, cranks, and religious kooks, but genuine scientists have looked over every thread, and cannot explain how the image was made (it was not painted or drawn on, and not burned on, at least not with fire or any currently understood radiation - neutron comes close to duplicating it), or why it projects a holographic image when illuminated.

As a "science-minded" skeptic, the Shroud was sufficient to finally bust down my doubts; He was REAL. It may not be enough for you, at least not now, but it may be something you need to look at eventually. I believe - I don't know this part to be "true" - that God used science to point me to Him.

What is the level of "proof" one needs to believe? Each day, we place faith in others...you order something at a restaurant, having faith it won't be loaded with arsenic...you turn on the shower and expect water, not another liquid, to emit...mundane examples, but you get my point. There is always a balance between faith and "observable proof" in human experience. Extremes to either end damage or even destroy the individual, and often, other individuals.

[Shami-Amourae]

In a manner pleasing or satisfying to you, yes?

If this isn't just an invention of man, then why the fuck does it have to be hard hard to figure out only a tiny percentage of people ever figure it out? Either this deity is a complete dick, very very weak, or it's a man made phenomenon. Those are the only conclusions I can come to.


__________________________________________________ ___________




Then it wouldn't be faith.

God could "show Himself" boldly & unavoidably, and prove to everyone "I exist," but what point would there be to that? What if this life is indeed a "test"? God could also force us to do His will at all times, and then we'd just be robots. God could displace evil now, but then why would anyone seek Him out on their own volition? Evil, by the way, is not a thing in and of itself, but an absence of goodness, like darkness is the absence of light. God could displace evil by forcing His full Being into every point of existence, but then it goes back to the free will aspect. Likewise, God does not "send" anyone to Hell, but merely accommodates human desire to not be in His presence.

What if God has shown Himself, but just not in a manner that you find acceptable?


These people don't believe in your god. That's because their parents didn't believe in your god.
http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/j/MSNBC/Components/Photo/_new/pb-121024-hindu-india-festival-nj-05.photoblog900.jpg


These people don't believe in your god. That's because their parents didn't believe in your god.
http://nocompulsion.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/1253276377-muslims-performs-friday-prayer141785_141785.jpg


These people don't believe in your god. That's because their parents didn't believe in your god.
http://faithinfeminism.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/Screen-Shot-2013-09-25-at-19.07.31-1024x640.png

These people DO believe in your god. That's because their parents DID believe in your god.
https://hopeforallmin.files.wordpress.com/2012/02/worship_crowd.jpg

It's very convenient how your deity happens reveals himself only to the children of the parents who worship him.

You're an atheist to all of these non-Christian people. The difference between us is you believe in just one more deity than me.


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Miracles do occur today. There are countless "unexplained phenomena" that occur. There is this mythical image of Christ, that all He did was miracle after miracle after miracle, all day & all night, and because miracles are not a constant in everyone's life all the time, they don't occur. That simply isn't the case.

Miracles are performed sparingly, for if the norm, they wouldn't be miracles, but ordinary natural processes.


So something happens you can't explain...

Every religious person will believe their particular deity did it. Muslims will say AllahDidIt. New Agers will say SpiritDidIt. For me, I'll probably try to figure it out or assume it's some government secret program or cover up. I really can't think of any miracles outside of the UFO stuff. and I really can't explain that.


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You are conceiving of God in your own image, or, possibly, maybe even subconsciously, in an image the Psychodrome has placed into your mind.


I don't believe in any of the deities. You believe in one of them. You believe in the one your parents instilled on you from an early age. It shaped your world view. It's part of your identity as a White male, and what you've been taught to project onto the world as the way things should be.

The difference between us is my parents tried to push this shit on me too, but it didn't stick. I saw through the bullshit at an early age so it didn't fester, and colonize my mind.

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Only one faith has "proven" itself, with a literal Son of God coming to Earth, and demonstrating what He said was true by the miracle - or, as now understood, quantum phenomenon - of the Resurrection. No other pretend god has done this. Sure, the other religions all claim it so, but have really nothing to offer.

I was a firm Doubting Thomas much of my life, but Gibson's Passion inspired me: "man, that was fucked up what they did to him." And then, I discovered the Shroud, and that was the final weight to the measure that led me back to Christ. "Oh, it's fake, just a medieval painting!" - "Oh, 'scientists' 'proved' it was made in the 1300s!" - "Oh, it's just another false Catholic relic, like the pieces of the 'true cross'!"

Actually, no, it's not, and no, they didn't. As you probably remember, I am a trained Anthropologist. I've studied artifacts too numerous to count. A great deal of them artifacts that "don't belong" or "shouldn't exist" (the Antikythera is just the beginning). When I started, the Shroud was just an old piece of cloth of unknown provenance, likely a hoax. When I was finished, I now believe - know - it is the most important artifact of human history. It has no near parallel, and the Image does what no other image of any technology can do. Not merely a bunch of crackpots, cranks, and religious kooks, but genuine scientists have looked over every thread, and cannot explain how the image was made (it was not painted or drawn on, and not burned on, at least not with fire or any currently understood radiation - neutron comes close to duplicating it), or why it projects a holographic image when illuminated.

As a "science-minded" skeptic, the Shroud was sufficient to finally bust down my doubts; He was REAL. It may not be enough for you, at least not now, but it may be something you need to look at eventually. I believe - I don't know this part to be "true" - that God used science to point me to Him.


You only need a piece of cloth with supposedly Jesus' face on it to reaffirm your faith? Seriously, religious people always find crap that reaffirms their faith whether it's the Virgin Mary on the side of a building...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zWul9UC_w_c

This one "proves" Lord Vishnu. Read the comments. People really believe this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PeNSM1aLvxw

The pattern I see with these miracles is they are easily explained or refuted. It's something you'd expect with human cult-like behavior that is modern religion.

Just type in a deity followed by "miracles" into Google. See how easy it is.



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What is the level of "proof" one needs to believe? Each day, we place faith in others...you order something at a restaurant, having faith it won't be loaded with arsenic...you turn on the shower and expect water, not another liquid, to emit...mundane examples, but you get my point. There is always a balance between faith and "observable proof" in human experience. Extremes to either end damage or even destroy the individual, and often, other individuals.


If everyone believed in the same religion all around the world, then that would help. It's very interesting how the Christian deity only exists in places were Christian humans have conquered the area for their faith. There's different religions everywhere competing. You explain this as a test, or what not, but I just step back and see it as a bunch of humans traditions competing with another. The "test" is an excuse for you to follow a blind faith because that's the only way to rationalize it away.

Christianity is only strong in parts of Africa now. Your deity favors niggers now since even White people have abandoned him. People are losing their traditions in the West and embracing materialism and Cultural Marxism. That's why shitskins in the turd world are still as religious as ever. When the shitskins immigrate to the West they (their kids) usually lose their religions over time, and its replaced by materialism/Cultural Marxism to fill the empathetic spiritual need built into almost every human.

Religion is just a means to an end to control people. It controls you. You cannot see it, or ever understand this since I know you're hardened in your belief. My greatest mistake is engaging this subject since I already know what your responses will be and no any attack I bring will harden your beliefs. This also isolates you more. The Bible says you're saved if you believe in Christ, yet I hear Christians fighting each other more than people from different religions.


Honestly the more I say the more I'm just going to piss you off. Not many people on this forum understand what the Hell I'm saying, and will assume I'm just a deluded Hellbound atheist. I'm probably wasting my time. Christianity will die in time unless there is a large cataclysm that reverts technology back to a more primitive time. I don't really need to lift a finger. That's one of the reasons I abandoned being a militant atheist (and because those people are a bunch of Cultural Marxists and literal Marxists.)


I probably have lower empathy than anyone else on this forum which allows me to see, and understand things others can't. People with low empathy typically don't need religions whether they are spiritual or cultural (Cultural Marxism), so we are the only true atheists around.

[Horn]

I think there would also be avatars (a person possessed and remotely controlled) all around of the deity which would allow you to speak to him/her.

Ahhh, you're a Japanese Nichiren Buddhist.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hEK4h_p6N6U

[Shami-Amourae]

Ahhh, you're a Japanese Nichiren Buddhist.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hEK4h_p6N6U

No I was teasingly referring to Dungeons and Dragons. I used to roleplay as a high ranking Cleric, and helped shape a religious cult that still exists for players to this day. This was set post Avatar Crisis. I found how easy it was to manipulate people with religion.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_of_Troubles_%28Forgotten_Realms%29

(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_of_Troubles_%28Forgotten_Realms%29)Dungeons and Dragons RP is a good place to experience a world where the gods actually exist. It can help explain why religions in our current world is baseless.


I expect what I just said to be used against me some way. LOL.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3qQ9phojHUI

[Horn]

Say this ten times fast, then you will be able to speak to me on some sort of same level... ._.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r364h19dXio

[Jewboo]

...You only need a piece of cloth with supposedly Jesus' face on it to reaffirm your faith? Seriously, religious people always find crap that reaffirms their faith whether it's the Virgin Mary on the side of a building...This one "proves" Lord Vishnu. People really believe this...The pattern I see with these miracles is they are easily explained or refuted.



http://www.mccannecdotes.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/jesus-toast.jpg

How can you deny Him (pbuh) after seeing this with your own eyes?


:rolleyes: heathen

[Shami-Amourae]

http://www.mccannecdotes.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/jesus-toast.jpg

How can you deny Him (pbuh) after seeing this with your own eyes?


:rolleyes: heathen



One of my biggest weaknesses is I try to rationalize with the irrational. It's better just to post picture to make fun of them.

[Horn]

One of my biggest weaknesses is I try to rationalize with the irrational. It's better just to post picture to make fun of them.

You're not answering the question, padawan...

[Shami-Amourae]

You're not answering the question, padawan...


You just post random musiic videos no one listens to. I don't read most of your posts since I don't understand WTF you're saying.

To be fair I post random video game clips no one watches.

[Horn]

I don't understand WTF you're saying.

The question< "How can u deny the existence of God when looking at that photo?"

Is there some other hieroglyph needed to communicate to the lesser beings on this forum, a lotus sutra video perhaps?

[Shami-Amourae]

The question< "How can u deny the existence of God when looking at that photo?"

Is there some other hieroglyph needed to communicate to the lesser beings on this forum, a lotus sutra video perhaps?

Because it's a fucking piece of toast.




http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3647/3486294082_d411423e37.jpg

Okay now you made me use the Flying Spaghetti Monster routine. That's messed up.

[Jewboo]

One of my biggest weaknesses is I try to rationalize with the irrational.


Yes.

[Horn]

Because it's a fucking piece of toast.

This is where you're mistaken, its not "just a piece of toast", its a perfectly evolved and intelligently designed Piece of Toast!

the product of multi-billions of years satisfaction to hearts desire in ninth configuration.

Have some sense of appreciation...

Are we understood, or is there some more rational youtube videos I can place for ungrateful jewboo and u to appreciate? to maybe impossibly glyph some small iota of intelligence thru.

[crimethink]

You only need a piece of cloth with supposedly Jesus' face on it to reaffirm your faith?

You just don't get it. The Shroud is not a piece of toast, a "bleeding tears" statue of Mary, apparitions in a mist, and other such delusional nonsense. I don't think you want to get it.

I don't imagine you'll make time for this, but in case anyone else is interested, here they are:



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WNJPJ4JwHeE



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0BxmbIGQBX4

My faith is not "based on" the Shroud. I was pushed into faith because it was the final piece of proof that forced me to dispense with denial.

[crimethink]

http://www.mccannecdotes.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/jesus-toast.jpg

How can you deny Him (pbuh) after seeing this with your own eyes?


:rolleyes: heathen

Bow down and worship him:

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/ZdKTzeSLl7M/hqdefault.jpg

[Jewboo]

Police: Teen dead, brother hurt after church beating by parents, members



http://www.gannett-cdn.com/-mm-/dd8b1baf67130a1edc52e1868cb7f1ece5f42a54/r=26&c=26x26/local/-/media/USATODAY/staff/images/v2/Eversley_Melanie.png Melanie Eversley (http://www.usatoday.com/staff/1044/melanie-eversley/), USA TODAY 8:41 p.m. EDT October 14, 2015

http://www.gannett-cdn.com/-mm-/97c45fe1e59d78a0d60bc4b2cdc8caa597af3c6c/c=13-0-384-495&r=537&c=0-0-534-712/local/-/media/2015/10/14/USATODAY/USATODAY/635804490625947526-bruce-leonard.jpg



A Central New York couple and four other members of a church police described as mysterious are in custody after the couple's teen son turned up dead Monday with a possible gunshot wound and beating injuries. An autopsy on the body of Lucas Leonard, 19, will be conducted by the Onondaga County medical examiner in Syracuse. The teen's brother, 17-year-old Christopher Leonard, is in serious condition at a Central New York hospital, also with signs of a severe beating, Lt. Timothy O'Neill of the New Hartford, N.Y., Police Department told USA TODAY. Police believe both teens received their injuries at the Word of Life Church in Chadwicks, N.Y. The community is in the Utica area.


http://www.gannett-cdn.com/-mm-/c1e86d715c372060ef8b61ec8a46f64c2d4ba84d/c=13-0-386-497&r=183&c=0-0-180-240/local/-/media/2015/10/14/USATODAY/USATODAY/635804491475066412-deborah-leonard.jpg

Police have arrested Deborah Leonard in connection with the death of her son. (Photo: New Hartford, N.Y., Police Department.) Both brothers suffered severe injuries to the lower abdomen, groin, genitals, buttocks, back and shoulders, the lieutenant said.The teens' parents - Bruce Leonard, 65, and Deborah Leonard, 59, both of Clayville, N.Y. -- were arrested and charged with first-degree manslaughter, police said. Also arrested on assault charges were church members Joseph Irwin, 26, Chadwicks, David Morey, 26, Utica, Linda Morey, 54, Utica, and the teens' half sister, Sarah Ferguson, 33, Clayville. The six were in jail Wednesday night in Oriskany, N.Y., the parents under $100,000 bail and the others under $50,000 bail, he said.

The two teens were subject to an overnight "counseling session" of many hours from Sunday into Monday called for after the church service by Tiffany Irwin, the church's pastor, he said.


http://www.gannett-cdn.com/-mm-/66323efae19f1fb4624381139594e9fdbb75201b/c=136-0-2264-1600&r=x408&c=540x405/local/-/media/2015/10/14/USATODAY/USATODAY/635804492472543200-AP-Church-Killing.jpg


"This started as I guess you might call one of their practices within the church to have these counseling sessions to deal with people who have been believed to sin or confess to a sin," O'Neill said. "We don't have a lot of insight into this group, but we do know that the pastor called the counseling session and these two boys were subject to extreme beatings over many, many hours."

A telephone number or contact for the church could not be located online. The police visit to the hospital led to the start of an ongoing investigation and a search of several hours for Lucas' brother, Christopher, who police believed might also have been hurt. When police showed up at the church late Monday night in search of Christopher, they found several people inside, including Sarah Ferguson, half sister to the two teens, Linda Morey, four of Ferguson's children and three other children. Ferguson took part in the beatings of both teens, O'Neill said.

The children found inside the church building were turned over to Oneida County Child Protective Services.

Several people who had been inside the church invoked their right to remain silent when police attempted to question them, O'Neill said.
The building was once the Chadwicks Union Free School. But after the students folded into a neighboring school district, the large brick building stood empty until it was bought in 1987 by Traci Irwin, the spiritual leader and "mother" of the church, O'Neill said. Irwin, her daughter, Tiffany Irwin, 29, the pastor, and Traci Irwin's sons, Joseph and Daniel Irwin, all live in the school building. Not much is known about the church. Back in June, a person who posted anonymously to a Topix.com discussion page regarding the church wrote: "Stay far far away...." One neighbor told the CNYCentral.com website that he never saw any activity at the church building.

"The whole time I lived in this area, I thought it was abandoned," Stephanie Coffin told the news organization. Lisa Brown's parents live across the street from the church. She told the Utica Observer-Dispatch that over the years, the congregation has become more shadowy. "When they first took over the building, they would post Mass schedules so people would know when there were services," Brown told the news organization. "Now, it's not like just anyone could go to church there. ... It's kind of been the running joke that there's a cult there."

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2015/10/14/police-teen-dead-brother-hurt-after-church-beating-parents-members/73954306/


:rolleyes: 7th Trump's church?

[Horn]

I just watched a Hollywood movie on the Yify that had the exact same plot line in reverse,

Guy had to go out and get laid to save himself from Satan.

This plot line is more horrifying.

http://www.usatoday.com/videos/news/nation/2015/10/14/73948712/