Why come to America.....V

[Ponce]

What are the advantages for coming to America now days?............for freedom? hahhahahah. To study? good joke, to work? another joke tomorrow.

Only thing that I see is ........ for free food, money, lodging and so on.........I guess that that's more than what they get in their own country....but........ what will happen when the lights are turn off?......... Get ready and be ready because a bad storm is heading our way.

What say you......your opinion please......I learn by reading and asking and usually that will get me in trouble :(

V

[Neuro]

Are you getting cold feet Ponce V?

[Shami-Amourae]

The United States is still the freest country in the world overall when you factor in everything from guns, free speech, and so on.

We also have the highest concentration of liberty minded people in the world. The "Right Wing" is basically outlawed in most countries all together.

So many people leave America thinking they are escaping, then come running right back once they realize what a hell hole the rest of the world is.

One of the reasons our government seems so tyrannical to others is because our government is so thoroughly scrutinized by the whole world since we are still seen as top dog. You'll have Germans wagging their fingers at us for spying, but I can assure you they have their own spy programs that is just as bad.

http://www.diexx88blog.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/murika.jpg

[palani]

What are the advantages for coming to America now days? V

When performing an ocean crossing you don't have to worry about traffic coming at you going the other direction?

[expat4ever]

On the freedom scale I would say we are spiraling down the drain very quickly. We have the highest prison population and the largest free shit army in the world.

[Ponce]

Thank you guys.........and even thou the government and the Pentagon are in the US the commanders are in a shitty little country in the Middle East.

Shamy? what keeps the US as top dog is their weapons and no longer their moral character......just like in those in the holy land.

Neuro? my feet are frozen in place......just like everyone else........by doing NOTHING.

[osoab]

http://gold-silver.us/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=7622&stc=1

[ShortJohnSilver]

What are the advantages for coming to America now days?............for freedom? hahhahahah. To study? good joke, to work? another joke tomorrow.

Only thing that I see is ........ for free food, money, lodging and so on.........I guess that that's more than what they get in their own country....but........ what will happen when the lights are turn off?......... Get ready and be ready because a bad storm is heading our way.

What say you......your opinion please......I learn by reading and asking and usually that will get me in trouble :(

V

Now that ObamaCare has passed, the fundamental differences between USA and other white nations is gone. Therefore I plan to expat.

[madfranks]

Now that ObamaCare has passed, the fundamental differences between USA and other white nations is gone. Therefore I plan to expat.

To where? I tend to agree with Shami, as bad as it's getting here, this is still the most free place on earth. Instead of expatriating, you should consider moving to a small rural town of like minded folks.

[expat4ever]

I guess we need a definition of freedom. Living under 24/7 surveillence isnt exactly what I call free. Having money stolen from our paychecks isnt what I would call free. Having money stolen via property tax isnt what I would call free. Being stopped on the street because your wearing a backpack isnt what I would call free. There may be countries with worse laws but probably not many that can enforce them like here.

[Shami-Amourae]

On the freedom scale I would say we are spiraling down the drain very quickly. We have the highest prison population and the largest free shit army in the world.

Time to play Devil's Advocate...


That's a good thing.

The classic SJW argument for the large prison population is since of the "War on Drugs" and the "Prison Industrial Complex".

The "Shut up you didn't hear this one from me" reason for the "War on Drugs" is to cover to keeping Dindus off the streets. A huge population of Dindus are thankfully in jail away from the civil human population thanks to "The War on Drugs". If "The War on Drugs" you'd see a huge spike in "Knockout Games", White women getting raped, burglaries, and so on. Remember marijuana was originally made illegal to put Dindus behind bars (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/01/14/marijuana-prohibition-racist_n_4590190.html) since so many of them smoked the stuff. In a responsible White society no one would give a shit if someone smoked marijuana since they could do it responsibly.



High jail rights keeps troublesome shitskins at bay. Average White guy gets a traffic ticket for speeding, and suddenly hates the police, not realize the massive favor the police are doing for him.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/32/USA_2009._Percent_of_adult_males_incarcerated_by_r ace_and_ethnicity.png


SJWs (Anarcho-Capitalism and Ron Paul Libertarianism are offshoots of this) know the facts and promote them as bad things. I view them as good since I'm not brainwashed by Cultural Marxism and the "Guilt Virus":


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1. While people of color make up about 30 percent (http://www.theroot.com/views/portrait-black-america-eve-2010-census) of the United States’ population, they account for 60 percent (http://www.sentencingproject.org/template/page.cfm?id=122) of those imprisoned. The prison population grew by 700 percent from 1970 to 2005, a rate that is outpacing crime and population rates. The incarceration rates disproportionately impact men of color (http://www.aclu.org/combating-mass-incarceration-facts-0): 1 in every 15 African American men and 1 in every 36 Hispanic men are incarcerated in comparison to 1 in every 106 white men.
2. According to the Bureau of Justice Statistics, one in three black men (http://www.jstor.org/discover/10.1525/sp.2011.58.2.257?uid=3739584&uid=2&uid=4&uid=3739256&sid=47698736411807) can expect to go to prison in their lifetime. Individuals of color have a disproportionate number of encounters with law enforcement, indicating that racial profiling continues to be a problem. A report by the Department of Justice found that blacks and Hispanics were approximately three times more likely to be searched (http://www.reformer.com/reformereditorials/ci_19992621?source=rss) during a traffic stop than white motorists. African Americans were twice as likely to be arrested and almost four times as likely (http://www.aclu.org/racial-justice/department-justice-statistics-show-clear-pattern-racial-profiling) to experience the use of force during encounters with the police.
3. Students of color face harsher punishments in school than their white peers, leading to a higher number of youth of color incarcerated. Black and Hispanic students represent more than 70 percent (http://www.edweek.org/ew/articles/2012/03/07/23data_ep.h31.html?tkn=RNRFpTpIviHSEInUrVg%2BbNsoH rUv6d7QWbPa&cmp=clp-edweek&utm_source=fb&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=mrss) of those involved in school-related arrests or referrals to law enforcement. Currently, African Americans make up two-fifths (http://www.aecf.org/%7E/media/Pubs/Topics/Juvenile%20Justice/Detention%20Reform/NoPlaceForKids/JJ_NoPlaceForKids_Full.pdf) and Hispanics one-fifth (http://www.aecf.org/%7E/media/Pubs/Topics/Juvenile%20Justice/Detention%20Reform/NoPlaceForKids/JJ_NoPlaceForKids_Full.pdf) of confined youth today.
4. According to recent data by the Department of Education, African American students are arrested far more often than their white classmates. The data showed that 96,000 (http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/federal-data-show-racial-gaps-in-school-arrests/2012/03/01/gIQApbjvtR_story.html) students were arrested and 242,000 referred to law enforcement by schools during the 2009-10 school year. Of those students, black and Hispanic students made up more than 70 percent (http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/06/education/black-students-face-more-harsh-discipline-data-shows.html?_r=1&ref=education) of arrested or referred students. Harsh school punishments, from suspensions to arrests, have led to high numbers of youth of color coming into contact with the juvenile-justice system and at an earlier age.
5. African American youth have higher rates of juvenile incarceration and are more likely to be sentenced to adult prison. According to the Sentencing Project (http://www.sentencingproject.org/doc/publications/cjprimer2009.pdf), even though African American juvenile youth are about 16 percent of the youth population, 37 percent of their cases are moved to criminal court and 58 percent of African American youth are sent to adult prisons.
6. As the number of women incarcerated has increased by 800 percent (http://www.wpaonline.org/pdf/Quick%20Facts%20Women%20and%20CJ%202009.pdf) over the last three decades, women of color have been disproportionately represented (https://www.americanprogress.org/issues/women/news/2012/03/07/11219/the-top-5-facts-about-women-in-our-criminal-justice-system/). While the number of women incarcerated is relatively low, the racial and ethnic disparities are startling. African American women are three times more likely (http://www.sentencingproject.org/doc/publications/womenincj_total.pdf) than white women to be incarcerated, while Hispanic women are 69 percent more likely than white women to be incarcerated.
7. The war on drugs has been waged primarily in communities of color where people of color are more likely to receive higher offenses. According to the Human Rights Watch (http://www.hrw.org/news/2009/03/02/us-drug-arrests-skewed-race), people of color are no more likely to use or sell illegal drugs than whites, but they have higher rate of arrests. African Americans comprise 14 percent (http://www.drugpolicy.org/issues/race-and-drug-war) of regular drug users but are 37 percent of those arrested for drug offenses. From 1980 to 2007 about one in three (http://www.hrw.org/news/2009/03/02/us-drug-arrests-skewed-race) of the 25.4 million adults arrested for drugs was African American.
8. Once convicted, black offenders receive longer sentences compared to white offenders. The U.S. Sentencing Commission stated that in the federal system black offenders receive sentences that are 10 percent (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bill-quigley/fourteen-examples-of-raci_b_658947.html) longer than white offenders for the same crimes. The Sentencing Project (http://www.sentencingproject.org/doc/dp_crack_testimony.pdf) reports that African Americans are 21 percent more likely to receive mandatory-minimum sentences than white defendants and are 20 percent more like to be sentenced to prison.
9. Voter laws that prohibit people with felony convictions to vote disproportionately impact men of color. An estimated 5.3 million Americans are denied the right to vote based on a past felony conviction. Felony disenfranchisement is exaggerated by racial disparities in the criminal-justice system, ultimately denying 13 percent (http://www.sentencingproject.org/template/page.cfm?id=133) of African American men the right to vote. Felony-disenfranchisement policies have led to 11 states denying the right to vote to more than 10 percent (http://www.sentencingproject.org/doc/publications/cjprimer2009.pdf) of their African American population.
10. Studies have shown that people of color face disparities in wage trajectory (http://www.jstor.org/discover/10.1525/sp.2011.58.2.257?uid=3739584&uid=2&uid=4&uid=3739256&sid=47698736411807) following release from prison.


Evidence shows that spending time in prison affects wage trajectories with a disproportionate impact on black men and women. The results show no evidence of racial divergence in wages prior to incarceration; however, following release from prison, wages grow at a 21 percent slower rate (http://www.jstor.org/discover/10.1525/sp.2011.58.2.257?uid=3739584&uid=2&uid=4&uid=3739256&sid=47698736411807) for black former inmates compared to white ex-convicts. A number of states have bans on people with certain convictions working in domestic health-service industries such as nursing, child care, and home health care—areas in which many poor women and women of color (https://www.americanprogress.org/issues/women/news/2012/03/07/11219/the-top-5-facts-about-women-in-our-criminal-justice-system/) are disproportionately concentrated.

Theses racial disparities have deprived people of color of their most basic civil rights, making criminal-justice reform the civil rights issue of our time. Through mass imprisonment and the overrepresentation of individuals of color within the criminal justice and prison system, people of color have experienced an adverse impact on themselves and on their communities from barriers to reintegrating into society to engaging in the democratic process. Eliminating the racial disparities inherent to our nation’s criminal-justice policies and practices must be at the heart of a renewed, refocused, and reenergized movement for racial justice in America.



https://www.americanprogress.org/issues/race/news/2012/03/13/11351/the-top-10-most-startling-facts-about-people-of-color-and-criminal-justice-in-the-united-states/

[Shami-Amourae]

Now that ObamaCare has passed, the fundamental differences between USA and other white nations is gone. Therefore I plan to expat.

I'm paying the tax and just looking at is as a tax increase. I still have no plans on getting health insurance.

Where do you live near? I think the American Redoubt is still the most ideal region in America to live in. Idaho is #1 overall though since it's so affordable and we have a large agriculture and fish sector.
http://survivalblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/redoubt.jpg


Watch from 1:12:00 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L0lU84AlmUc&t=72m5s) to to understand where we are and why you shouldn't leave the country...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L0lU84AlmUc

[Shami-Amourae]

For you Ponce:

http://s12.postimg.org/i9w5r3anx/1433980235202.jpg

[Ponce]

Thanks Shami, in what is to come that would make me not only the most popular guy in my town but also the richest one :)

V

[mick silver]

the bad storm is here ... lockdown is coming

[Neuro]

Thanks Shami, in what is to come that would make me not only the most popular guy in my town but also the richest one :)

V
http://www.slate.com/content/dam/slate/blogs/the_slatest/2015/02/25/venezuela_is_running_out_of_toilet_paper/461841950-an-employee-waits-to-unload-the-merchandise-while.jpg/_jcr_content/renditions/cq5dam.web.1280.1280.jpeg
-Shit made me rich and popular!

[Ponce]

LOL Neuro, where is his shotgun? only way that he will be able to protect his treasure ahahahhahahha.....I would love to meet this guy.

V

[Serpo]

The United States is still the freest country in the world overall when you factor in everything from guns, free speech, and so on.

We also have the highest concentration of liberty minded people in the world. The "Right Wing" is basically outlawed in most countries all together.

So many people leave America thinking they are escaping, then come running right back once they realize what a hell hole the rest of the world is.

One of the reasons our government seems so tyrannical to others is because our government is so thoroughly scrutinized by the whole world since we are still seen as top dog. You'll have Germans wagging their fingers at us for spying, but I can assure you they have their own spy programs that is just as bad.



Easy on the kool aid..............

The United States has less than 5 percent of the world's population. But it has almost a quarter of the world's prisoners.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/23/world/americas/23iht-23prison.12253738.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0