Flat Earthers Won't Go Away

[Alex Drone]

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-S4KfAyiz6Ns/VfXy4B6Y8VI/AAAAAAAAAJI/I3ULDcmmp0o/s200/Giuliani.jpg (http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-S4KfAyiz6Ns/VfXy4B6Y8VI/AAAAAAAAAJI/I3ULDcmmp0o/s1600/Giuliani.jpg)

Charlie G is a good man. I love his interviews.

[Glass]

Where are the reports among boating and sailing enthusiasts about the edge of the earth? Find me any discussions of it in the their forums.

Falling off would be silly wouldn't it? A closed world under a firmament? How could you fall off?

But if you look at the map of FE, the answer is at the edges. A claimed ice wall 2km high that encircles the disc. Claims that some 40+ governments signed a treaty to block access to Antarctica is sure conspiracy of the hiding of FE.

Of course some people have apparently crossed the south pole. But have they?
This guy tried 2 times and made it on the second attempt. Full crossing, not just to south pole and back out like some other have done.


n my first attempt to cross Antarctica, I walked more than 620 miles to the South Pole. But instead of reaching my destination, on the other side of the continent, I had to hitch out by plane halfway through the expedition because my frostbite was so bad.

Borge Ousland
(https://www.theguardian.com/travel/2013/dec/13/borge-ousland-how-i-crossed-antarctica)
Some people say the earth plane could be much larger and we are just in a thawed out hollow in the ice expanse. I've noted all of these things in this thread. I've mostly referred to YT presentations mainly because that has been the dominate discussion format and very few web pages,


I watched the first few minutes of the video and stopped.
As I mentioned, the last minute contained the best illustration of the sun moon modeling. It's certainly not the best example. I couldn't remember any of the main FE players channels off hand. Jeranism comes to mind now. Again I'm pretty confident I've already linked other YTs showing it, in this thread.

[Santa]

I bet there are some big ass monster Tuna fish swimming around under the shadow of that 2km ice wall at the edge of the world. :)



But if you look at the map of FE, the answer is at the edges. A claimed ice wall 2km high that encircles the disc.

[Glass]

you're probably right. The Japanese do a lot of fishing down there, which according to some guy in a boat, is illegal but everyone turns a blind eye. Australia is supposed to control or police those waters but doesn't.

Some guy in a boat = sea shepherd. took a while to come to me. and it's whaling apparently.

There was the whole story of the Byrd/Bird expeditions and he flew over there and found exposed land and mountains, flowing rivers, unfrozen lakes. The weather was reasonable. Not blowing a gale and white out. There is some video shot out the window of a plane of the things they saw but I don't know if the footage was of antarctica or somewhere else. To me it could have been Greenland or Iceland for all I know. It did look like a livable place though.

There's a YT guy called Urban Surfer who has a real bee in his bonnet about antarctica. I can't listen to the guy myself but he has some images of the various bases there, Russias (once) abandoned base. Spain, Australia. Different times of the year its deep in ice and other times there is no ice, bare land, rocky mountains. I certainly had the perception that it was just a rock hard ice and blizzard hell all the time. Apparently not. Cold all the time but not a year round ice and blizzard hell.

[Alex Drone]

Falling off would be silly wouldn't it? A closed world under a firmament? How could you fall off?

Again my question is why are there no reports about this edge? I didn't say anything about falling off this edge.

Still haven't answered my other questions. How could there be a day and night cycle under FE? The earth would be either in total light or total darkness. What motivation would they have for fooling the people that the earth is round when it is supposedly flat?

[Glass]

Again my question is why are there no reports about this edge? I didn't say anything about falling off this edge.

Still haven't answered my other questions. How could there be a day and night cycle under FE? The earth would be either in total light or total darkness. What motivation would they have for fooling the people that the earth is round when it is supposedly flat?

I answered all your questions in my previous posts. I described to you how FE says the sun travels above the equator and the tropics of cancer and capricorn and the moon does the same. I provided a video link and said go to the last minute of it where is will show you how the daytime night time works in a FE model. You said you did not do that.

I said the "edge" was ringed in ice. Again if you go and look at the video or many others linked in this thread you will see a disk map with a circle of white representing ice. This is what they claim encloses the disc.

Just for clarity here is a map that shows all 3 aspects you asked about;
http://henrymakow.com/upload_images/Map%20Sun%20Moon%20flat%20earth.jpg

Looking at this image and considering the question of flying from South Africa to Australia, it would be interesting to know which side of the aircraft Madagascar would be on. Although I have seen aircraft apparently flying to South Africa (according to flight schedules) heading due west over my city, according to that map they would need to be flying mostly north. It's possible they could change direction once out over the ocean, but they do seem to bear due west well out to sea.

[Glass]

This is quite good. No North South circumnavigation of Earth. A few claimed circumnavigations turn out to be up and down the same path. Not up and over.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ny-_lThmRqU

Explorer Ranulph Fiennes guy turns out to be Freemason and cousin of Queen, Also knighted. Was sued by one of his companions for faking injuries and dangerous mishaps.

Consider east west circumnavigations
Ball Earth Southern hemisphere is same as northern hemisphere
Circumference of Earth at Equator 24 900 miles
Circumference of Earth at Equator is 6300 sea leagues. 1 sea league is 4 miles = 25200 miles

Flat Earth Southern Hemisphere is much bigger than northern.

Magellan journey (via Piccafeta's ? log) 14, 460 leagues or 43,400 miles (compared to 25,200 at Equator)
14,460 leagues x 4 miles = 57,840 miles

Captain Cook east west circumnavigation in Souther hemisphere 75,000 miles
British challenger expedition (1800's) = 60, 000 miles

Ranulph Fiennes claimed to have traveled 100,000 miles in his circumnavigation. 4 x the circumference of the earth.
No photos were taken of the South Pole. You go all that way and you don't take photos'. Sounds like NASA.
Helicopter attempt that followed the same path up and down: http://www.southpolestation.com/news/bell407.html


Update...the team tried again...and successfully reached Pole on 7 January 2007. During the Antarctic portion of this venture they were accompanied by a second 407 manned by Bell Helicopter. Interestingly, their arrival at Pole coincided with the arrival of two Russian helos, so there were four rotorcraft on deck on that particular Sunday...and I'm not sure which of the Bell 407's was piloted by the Polar First team. Below, a photo of one of them from Cynthia Chiang (http://www.physicschick.com/pole/index_2007_jan.html).

They retraced their steps north, with a stop at their 2003 crash site, crossed the Drake to Ushuaia and then continued through South America. They then went up the west coast of the US with stops in Alaska and Canada, reaching the North Pole on 20 April via Eureka. From there they headed south, retracing the northern part of the route and then hitting the east coast (Montreal, New York) before crossing the middle of the country and arriving back in Fort Worth, Texas, after 171 days, on 24 May.

[StreetsOfGold]

How could there be a day and night cycle under FE?

At this point WHY would anyone ask this question?
Not only has it already been answered HERE in this thread but as well as on many FE videos.

It's not that hard to understand (believe is another issue) unless you're an idiot, a troll or just plain lazy!

[Horn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yqQ3bvVQuD8

[Glass]

I wonder what length of time frame that occurred over? I can't detect any change in the sun at all. No apparent movement on the surface or with the flares. I've tried slowing it down to about 4/10ths speed. I can't detect anything. When I get some time I'll take some screen shots and overlay them to see if there is any change there.

[osoab]

Again my question is why are there no reports about this edge? I didn't say anything about falling off this edge.

Still haven't answered my other questions. How could there be a day and night cycle under FE? The earth would be either in total light or total darkness. What motivation would they have for fooling the people that the earth is round when it is supposedly flat?

Under the model, the Sun and Moon are much closer and much smaller. The speed of each change from Northern to Southern positions.


Day and Night


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hiOhsKAR6OY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hiOhsKAR6OY

Sun and Moon


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R52_PdZlSq8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R52_PdZlSq8

[Glass]

I wanted to add to my post #257 (http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?83953-Flat-Earthers-Won-t-Go-Away&p=852321&viewfull=1#post852321) on distances traveled when circumnavigating. I mentioned this in another earlier post.

The claim that Magellan and Cook traveled 60.000 or 70,000 miles (or more) doesn't take into account that these guys were not going on a circumnavigation trip. They were not trying to set some world record.

They were exploring and charting new lands. I don't know much about Magellans journey. If anyone does please add. But Cooks journey path is available on line (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Cook) to look at and it's clear that he was not going east to west on the shortest path possible just to make it around. His journey was all over the place. Down from the horn of Africa to the Antarctic. Across under Terra Australis (Australia) - which btw was supposed to be the name for the antarctic. Across almost to South America, back up and across towards Australia down to NZ. Did a look through the islands, then back across to South Australia again. Up the East of Africa back home. A navigation with two big loops in the middle.

Then he did another journey back the other way.

I guess it still doesn't explain why that Feinnes guy used up 100,000 miles to go one time around. Cousin of the Queen you know.

Magellans journey appears to have been more direct

(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferdinand_Magellan)
The full extent of the globe was realized, since their voyage was 14,460 Spanish leagues (60,440 km or 37,560 mi).

[Glass]

I was watching this video and it includes a russian space walk which debunks flat earth once and for all. Original ball earth poster is being replied to by this poster. He adds humorous commentary. I was admiring this beautiful blue marble when after a minute or two something occurred to me. He mentions it at the end but I wonder if you can pick it before he tells you?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9dOJYBfZBcs

skip to 9:12 (https://youtu.be/9dOJYBfZBcs?t=552) if you don't want to watch the part about the Juno Jupiter scam mission.

[osoab]

@ the 13:00 minute mark, I am watching Boris's legs. What direction is the light source?

edit to add for your question:

No continents?

[Glass]

@ the 13:00 minute mark, I am watching Boris's legs. What direction is the light source?

edit to add for your question:

No continents?

Yes it's all over the place with that space walk. How big is that sun? Does it look like a sun or a bright studio light?

It's clear they aren't doing anything. Or maybe benefit of the doubt, Astronaut off camera is doing something and the other one is there to grab them if something goes wrong? Seems unlikely. You think they would at least give them some thing to do that looks like a real task.

And yes, no continents. Not a single one. Did they forget to add them in? What planet is that? Neptune perhaps?

Thanks for watching.

[Glass]

I watched this a few days ago. Makes some good points about Antarctica.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Mdg5k-WBFw

The claim is that you get 24 hour sun at Antarctica at least part of the year. I would assume this is during the southern hemisphere summer. Days here are about 3 hours longer in summer. I know from experience in north europe the sun is still up around 10:00 - 10:30 pm (maybe later) then up again at around 3:30am. So further south it's reasonable you would get almost all daylight

There are web cams at the Antarctic but none of them run 24/7.
It is not that it's dark for part of the day.
What happens is that all of the footage is clipped to the same time period each day.
Each and every day they cut the camera or cut the footage.
The footage usually shows things like flags or small snow piles etc that you can see the far side of
If the earth is round, the shadows would go in a full circle.
But they only show about 3/4 of the day
So the shadows go mostly around then the footage cuts
If the earth was flat, the shadows would shorten and go back the way they came without making a full circle.
Why would they go to the effort of cutting the cameras or editing the film... all of it... all the time?

Also goes on to delve into some of the explorers again. I think this is very telling.
And talks about ancient records of lands beyond the ice. Interesting stories.

[mamboni]

i recall a few years ago taking a flight from SFO to Seoul SK... around 13 hr flight. Off & on, I had the seat back display showing the map with our noisy little single prop Cessna plane's progress (j/k :D it was a big modern jobee of some sort), and I was confused in that we flew from SF straight north up the US/Can west coast, west along the Aleutian Islands, back south over JP then to Korea. What I could see out the window matched with the live/GPS map. I thought, isn't a straight line the shortest distance between 2 points?! This was a few years before the FE (op) was introduced and got any adherents. The couple peeps I bounced the question off of later just cited the usual variables: earth curvature & rotation, jet stream blah blah. Didn't perfectly understand it then, & don't now. :(??I find the flight patterns compelling evidence for FE. Check out this video. He covers the flight patterns at 20:12.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGc7Xd6HP54

[Glass]

AFAIK Max Igan did non stop Sydney to Santiago. Filmed parts of it. On a very poor phone camera.

When I search, best I can find is 1 stop via Auckland.
I agree that most of the flights go to LAX.

I'm also very sure Johannesburg to Perth can be a direct flight.
South African Airways does a direct flight.
Not a very frequent flight though
It is a night flight
10h 45m

I wonder if it gets canceled. It's quite possible the flight databases are salted with phantom flights. I remember trying to get from Australia to Canada without going to the US. I had a 36 hour journey with about 12 hours layover. via Asia.

[Glass]

why? Why don't eclipses work with parallel sun rays?

I've seen this explanation a couple times but I'm still not sure I grasp the reasoning that one excludes the other.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pARJc-gtauc

[Glass]

Make your own ISS real time broadcast for no $$ and 30 minutes of your time.

Using some free image and video software, a picture of Soyuz, some video from a hot air balloon. This goes for 1.5 hours but you'll get the idea in just a few minutes. Explains how he did it. hint - Click various text boxes to remove them if they get in the way.

Remember the ISS "live" shows go for many hours except when the station passes on the dark side of the earth where the signal doesn't reach so they cut the feed... seems strange doesn't it. World ringed by satellites. A space station uplifted and built in "Space" using the very latest very expensive technology yet no video because the station goes behind the earth.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GyTiUNHa050

[mamboni]

I am a trained scientist and physician. I attended public and private institutions of learning and am well versed in the scientific method. I had a rich education in classical physics and mechanics. The Copernican model of a heliocentric universe without bounds I have accepted my entire life as obvious and indisputable. When I heard about 'flat earth' I thought it a joke or satire. When I realized that these people were serious I began studying the question. I collected and analyzed numerous data and observations from the internet, all with a critical eye looking for flaws and defects in their methods. In investigating the matter I have come to a startling conclusion. I now am convinced beyond any doubt that the earth is flat, stationary and sitting under a firmament. This changes everything and totally invalidates modern cosmology and much of physics. If one accepts a flat stationary earth, there is no escaping the conclusion that it was built my a superior intelligence, a supreme being. It also means that all the moon missions and space missions to follow were are carefully crafted hoaxs. It means NASA is a massive multi-billion dollar swindle of the American tax payers. It means there are no satellites orbiting the earth in geostationary or other stable orbits. It means that the motions of the sun and moon cannot be explained by Newtonian physical laws or any laws crafted by men. The implications of a flat earth for deists the world over are nothing short of revelatory.

We are entering a new age of mankind. This is the beginning of the awakening of mankind out of the poisonous spell that we have toiled under since Copernicus and the 'modern age of enlightenment.' In retrospect, the rulers of our world have gone to great lengths and efforts to foist the globe earth hoax on mankind for over five centuries. Since these elite value power and control over all else, I must conclude that the globe earth conspiracy was intended to nullify God, leaving the elite no opposition to the plans for total domination and exploitation of the peoples of earth.

Fast forward to 2:27 and prepare your mind for an entirely new reality:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hlJmBe1eeQA

[JohnQPublic]

I am a trained scientist and physician. I attended public and private institutions of learning and am well versed in the scientific method. I had a rich education in classical physics and mechanics. The Copernican model of a heliocentric universe without bounds I have accepted my entire life as obvious and indisputable. When I heard about 'flat earth' I thought it a joke or satire. When I realized that these people were serious I began studying the question. I collected and analyzed numerous data and observations from the internet, all with a critical eye looking for flaws and defects in their methods. In investigating the matter I have come to a startling conclusion. I now am convinced beyond any doubt that the earth is flat, stationary and sitting under a firmament. This changes everything and totally invalidates modern cosmology and much of physics. If one accepts a flat stationary earth, there is no escaping the conclusion that it was built my a superior intelligence, a supreme being. It also means that all the moon missions and space missions to follow were are carefully crafted hoaxs. It means NASA is a massive multi-billion dollar swindle of the American tax payers. It means there are no satellites orbiting the earth in geostationary or other stable orbits. It means that the motions of the sun and moon cannot be explained by Newtonian physical laws or any laws crafted by men. The implications of a flat earth for deists the world over are nothing short of revelatory.

We are entering a new age of mankind. This is the beginning of the awakening of mankind out of the poisonous spell that we have toiled under since Copernicus and the 'modern age of enlightenment.' In retrospect, the rulers of our world have gone to great lengths and efforts to foist the globe earth hoax on mankind for over five centuries. Since these elite value power and control over all else, I must conclude that the globe earth conspiracy was intended to nullify God, leaving the elite no opposition to the plans for total domination and exploitation of the peoples of earth.

Fast forward to 2:27 and prepare your mind for an entirely new reality:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hlJmBe1eeQA


Are you serious?

[Jewboo]

http://img3.demotywatoryfb.pl//uploads/201505/gallery_1430488451_583851.gif
OMG Mamboni








https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EPyl1LgNtoQ

[Shami-Amourae]

I am a trained scientist and physician. I attended public and private institutions of learning and am well versed in the scientific method. I had a rich education in classical physics and mechanics. The Copernican model of a heliocentric universe without bounds I have accepted my entire life as obvious and indisputable. When I heard about 'flat earth' I thought it a joke or satire. When I realized that these people were serious I began studying the question. I collected and analyzed numerous data and observations from the internet, all with a critical eye looking for flaws and defects in their methods. In investigating the matter I have come to a startling conclusion. I now am convinced beyond any doubt that the earth is flat, stationary and sitting under a firmament. This changes everything and totally invalidates modern cosmology and much of physics. If one accepts a flat stationary earth, there is no escaping the conclusion that it was built my a superior intelligence, a supreme being. It also means that all the moon missions and space missions to follow were are carefully crafted hoaxs. It means NASA is a massive multi-billion dollar swindle of the American tax payers. It means there are no satellites orbiting the earth in geostationary or other stable orbits. It means that the motions of the sun and moon cannot be explained by Newtonian physical laws or any laws crafted by men. The implications of a flat earth for deists the world over are nothing short of revelatory.

We are entering a new age of mankind. This is the beginning of the awakening of mankind out of the poisonous spell that we have toiled under since Copernicus and the 'modern age of enlightenment.' In retrospect, the rulers of our world have gone to great lengths and efforts to foist the globe earth hoax on mankind for over five centuries. Since these elite value power and control over all else, I must conclude that the globe earth conspiracy was intended to nullify God, leaving the elite no opposition to the plans for total domination and exploitation of the peoples of earth.


http://img.4plebs.org/boards/pol/image/1456/51/1456515738061.jpg

Fast forward to 2:27 and prepare your mind for an entirely new reality:

>Failure to identify the barrel effect of that camera

Sphere Cucks BTFO
:rolleyes:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KcWyZ8uVjJY

[Shami-Amourae]

Watch this mamboni:


If you ever wondered why it feels much harder to walk towards the south compared to the north on the flat earth, especially in Australia and South America... LOL

http://youtu.be/VNqNnUJVcVs


And the earth would appear flat to an observer traveling towards it at the speed of light, but I have a feeling that would probably end very badly!

[osoab]

OMG Mamboni


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EPyl1LgNtoQ




Try the side by side.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JuzNj7LXQXg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JuzNj7LXQXg

[crimethink]

I am a trained scientist and physician. I attended public and private institutions of learning and am well versed in the scientific method. I had a rich education in classical physics and mechanics. The Copernican model of a heliocentric universe without bounds I have accepted my entire life as obvious and indisputable. When I heard about 'flat earth' I thought it a joke or satire. When I realized that these people were serious I began studying the question. I collected and analyzed numerous data and observations from the internet, all with a critical eye looking for flaws and defects in their methods. In investigating the matter I have come to a startling conclusion. I now am convinced beyond any doubt that the earth is flat, stationary and sitting under a firmament. This changes everything and totally invalidates modern cosmology and much of physics. If one accepts a flat stationary earth, there is no escaping the conclusion that it was built my a superior intelligence, a supreme being. It also means that all the moon missions and space missions to follow were are carefully crafted hoaxs. It means NASA is a massive multi-billion dollar swindle of the American tax payers. It means there are no satellites orbiting the earth in geostationary or other stable orbits. It means that the motions of the sun and moon cannot be explained by Newtonian physical laws or any laws crafted by men. The implications of a flat earth for deists the world over are nothing short of revelatory.

We are entering a new age of mankind. This is the beginning of the awakening of mankind out of the poisonous spell that we have toiled under since Copernicus and the 'modern age of enlightenment.' In retrospect, the rulers of our world have gone to great lengths and efforts to foist the globe earth hoax on mankind for over five centuries. Since these elite value power and control over all else, I must conclude that the globe earth conspiracy was intended to nullify God, leaving the elite no opposition to the plans for total domination and exploitation of the peoples of earth.

Fast forward to 2:27 and prepare your mind for an entirely new reality:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hlJmBe1eeQA

WTF?!

I'm a grand skeptic, but man, this is too much.

Believing the Earth is flat requires the same disavowal of reality as insisting racial differences don't exist.

[crimethink]

Man, these fuckers are truly nuts:

Total control freaks: http://ifers.123.st/t6-read-this-before-you-get-banned

Alleged "evidence" for those unable to think three-dimensionally: http://ifers.123.st/t69-flight-routes-shipping-routes-under-sea-cables

(they might want to get a globe that is less than 70 years old - "Dominion of Canada," and - gasp! - Manchukuo, LOL)

[Shami-Amourae]

Man, these fuckers are truly nuts:

Total control freaks: http://ifers.123.st/t6-read-this-before-you-get-banned

Alleged "evidence" for those unable to think three-dimensionally: http://ifers.123.st/t69-flight-routes-shipping-routes-under-sea-cables

(they might want to get a globe that is less than 70 years old - "Dominion of Canada," and - gasp! - Manchukuo, LOL)

It's a giant psy-op by the Feds. Myself and some on 4chan have trolled them for months. Then something worse happened.

It's actually not the worst psy-op anymore. There's this new Mandela Effect psy-op which is getting even bigger, where people are questioning reality itself.

I'm afraid starting a thread disproving it since half the forum will believe in it if I do.

A lot of people in the Gold and Silver communities have gravitated to these movements considering the Gold/Silver investment thing turned into a giant scam, and many are wandering without purpose/direction. There's this one YouTuber who was a top Gold/Silver guy a few years ago, who now only makes Mandela Effect videos.
https://www.youtube.com/user/MoneyBags73/videos


MoneyBags73

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/JoVtcJ4y-Bw/maxresdefault.jpg
Before (1 year ago):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CKYkbwkjutk

After (Now):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FsM2rgiOzbk

The We Wuz Kangz Niggers all believe in Mandela Effect now too so you're seeing this crazy convergence of the hardcore nutters from the Gold/Silver community merging with the We Wuz Kangz Niggers.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gXWlHCinLi8

[Glass]

there is absolutely a problem with the stories we have been told and it's clear NASA is a fraud but I don't think it's enough to conclude the correct model is the earth is flat. I'm suspicious that it could be vastly larger than we have been told and the bit we see is just a repeat of that saying of old. What was once called "the known world".

I agree that no one takes into account the correolis affect
I agree that missile and rocket design specifically states to disregard curving horizons
I agree that there has not been a north south circumnavigation of the earth
I agree that engineers just don't take earth curvature in to account
I agree that there does seem to be some anomalies with flight paths
I agree that man has not been to the moon or to space - beyond any of earths atmosphere layers
I agree that science is a religion and most of their astro science is hocus pocus
I agree that the ISS is fake or doing something different and NASA is a scam outfit who gets paid a fixed dollar of funding for every american citizen

I don''t agree that if the earth was spinning at 16000mph we would feel the wind
I don't agree that newborns would be torn to shreds by the spinning forces
I don't agree that everyone would fall off the southern hemisphere because it's down and no one can stand on the down side of a very fast spinning ball.
I don't agree that because planes don't fly off into space this is unequivocal irrefutable proof the earth is flat
I don't agree that Global positioning systems are global tracking systems.
I am undecided about satellites but open minded that they may not be what we have been told
I think that the numbers encoded in many measurements are indicators a lot of it is fakery.

I'm still not prepared to call it flat though.

[mamboni]

Earth ground level observations over large distances fail to show evidence of curvature that would be seen with our 24,000 mile globe model. Many examples have been posted on line. Gravity is a phenomenon. Modern science cannot explain it. All it can do is measure it and build formulas around it. Also, many of the supposed videos of space stations with men in orbit have been convincingly shown to be frauds, filmed underwater on earth to simulate zero gravity. Why the need for such deception?

It's not irrational to question the belief that the universe is infinite and contains billions upon billions of galaxies each in turn containing many billions of stars and many more planets? As for the big bang theory, on it's face to accept it is be take a gigantic leap of faith. We are told that there was nothing, then something suddenly appears ex vacuo, the big bang out of which all of the known universe would form. Big Bang sounds like a secularized supreme being.

[crimethink]

It's a giant psy-op by the Feds. Myself and some on 4chan have trolled them for months. Then something worse happened.

It's actually not the worst psy-op anymore. There's this new Mandela Effect psy-op which is getting even bigger, where people are questioning reality itself.

I'm afraid starting a thread disproving it since half the forum will believe in it if I do.


The Jewish Psychodrome, creating "reality" for most, has had a paradoxical effect: a minority of folks realize much of what they're fed is bullshit, and they've gone full-tilt and believe another extreme of bullshit.

But yes, there is the deliberate disinformation injected into the public mind, to confuse and befuddle the Goyim.

The skill and art of discernment has been shunned by most.

I know you don't "believe," but this day was foretold, where instilled confusion and deceit would reign among the masses.




A lot of people in the Gold and Silver communities have gravitated to these movements considering the Gold/Silver investment thing turned into a giant scam, and many are wandering without purpose/direction.

Gold and silver remain sound stores of value. However, yes, many fell for the "get rich quick" schemes that plenty of hucksters peddled to them. "Just buy a monster box and you'll be a millionaire next year!" Those who fell for the confidence schemes lacked discernment.

[crimethink]

I agree that there has not been a north south circumnavigation of the earth

A longitudinal circumnavigation isn't a common occurrence because it's particularly dangerous. Not because there is a huge hole to the hollow Earth or a cliff to oblivion at each pole, but because both poles - especially the south - are barren wastelands, with little hope of rescue if the plane goes down. And the south has winds & weather that make "going down" a very high probability.

This guy with brass balls and lots of cash did it:

https://www.aopa.org/news-and-media/all-news/2015/january/22/around-the-world-over-the-poles

[crimethink]

Earth ground level observations over large distances fail to show evidence of curvature that would be seen with our 24,000 mile globe model. Many examples have been posted on line. Gravity is a phenomenon. Modern science cannot explain it. All it can do is measure it and build formulas around it. Also, many of the supposed videos of space stations with men in orbit have been convincingly shown to be frauds, filmed underwater on earth to simulate zero gravity. Why the need for such deception?

OK, mamboni, joke's over. Time to fess up to mindfucking us with your posts. :D

Oh, wait, you're serious?!

Please, no!

I know sometime ago you buckled and took the needle to save your job, but I'm very concerned about your health now. Perhaps those vaccinations were indeed chock-full of the poisons we warned you about, and now your neurons are permanently damaged.

[crimethink]

There's this new Mandela Effect psy-op which is getting even bigger, where people are questioning reality itself.

A wacko with a webcam...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ens4XQ6dnmk

More serious:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mUIPyT21Ss0


I distinctly remember being in the showers at Auschwitz. :rolleyes:

[osoab]

Balloons


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PxXGcc5OdmA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PxXGcc5OdmA

[StreetsOfGold]

Getting back on track with Flat earth, ignoring the (still) "ball earth deceived"
Here is a good video showing they USE balloons, NOT "satellites"


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PxXGcc5OdmA&feature=youtu.be

[StreetsOfGold]

Balloons
lol you beat me by one minute.
I'm leaving mine up for sake of documentation of this :D

[crimethink]

All retards that believe satellites do not exist are welcome to try these:

http://www.celestron.com/browse-shop/astronomy/telescopes/powerseeker-127eq-telescope

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.heavens_above.viewer

[crimethink]

lol you beat me by one minute.
I'm leaving mine up for sake of documentation of this :D

What a surprise that Streets of Geld would be doing the work of its father, the Devil, sowing lies.

Ready to tell us how the Vatican fits 1 John 2:22-23 yet? Your friends, the Jews, do.

[mamboni]

OK, mamboni, joke's over. Time to fess up to mindfucking us with your posts. :D

Oh, wait, you're serious?!

Please, no!

I know sometime ago you buckled and took the needle to save your job, but I'm very concerned about your health now. Perhaps those vaccinations were indeed chock-full of the poisons we warned you about, and now your neurons are permanently damaged.You are rather arrogant and self-assured in your 'knowledge.' I only observe and draw tentative conclusions until new findings change those conclusions. If you have any FIRST-HAND data and observations to prove the globe earth model then I will examine it and perhaps come around to your world view. For example, as you imply a working knowledge of powerful land-based telescopes, have you personally viewed and /or photographed man-made satellites in high altitude?

[crimethink]

You are rather arrogant and self-assured in your 'knowledge.' I only observe and draw tentative conclusions until new findings change those conclusions. If you have any FIRST-HAND data and observations to prove the globe earth model then I will examine it and perhaps come around to your world view. For example, as you imply a working knowledge of powerful land-based telescopes, have you personally viewed and /or photographed man-made satellites in high altitude?

Clearly, your bar for "proof" is very low when it comes to "the Earth is flat."

I'm sticking by my theory that the injections injured you. Apparently profoundly.

And, yes, I've seen the "NASA conspiracy" objects in orbit. :rolleyes:

[mamboni]

All my life, whenever someone had an alternate idea, conclusion, thesis or diagnosis, my first reaction has been curiosity and fascination, not disdain and contempt like Crimethink. Yours are emotions derived from fear and insecurity in your beliefs. The resultant behaviors are direct criticisms and ad hominum attacks on the individual, not the idea. You haven't convinced me of your globe model of the earth. I don't think you can prove it.

[crimethink]

All my life, whenever someone had an alternate idea, conclusion, thesis or diagnosis, my first reaction has been curiosity and fascination, not disdain and contempt like Crimethink. Yours are emotions derived from fear and insecurity in your beliefs. The resultant behaviors are direct criticisms and ad hominum attacks on the individual, not the idea. You haven't convinced me of your globe model of the earth. I don't think you can prove it.

Yours is not an "alternate idea, conclusion, thesis or diagnosis." Yours is an insane dismissal of reality. There is no emotion in my acceptance of the fact the Earth is a sphere. The only fear I have right now is for your mental & spiritual health. Did someone turn on the Lunacy Device recently?

You speak of proof. Prove that the Earth is flat. What else do you suggest I question? That 2 + 2 = 4? That a vicious pit bull will kill you? *




* well, yes, there are plenty who insist that pit bulls are "gentle and tame," and only the owners are bad.

[Jewboo]

...You haven't convinced me of your globe model of the earth. I don't think you can prove it...






...I now am convinced beyond any doubt that the earth is flat, stationary and sitting under a firmament...



You haven't convinced me of your flat model of the earth. I don't think you can prove it. If you have any FIRST-HAND data and observations to prove the flat earth model then I will examine it and perhaps come around to your world view.

:) FIRST-HAND

[mamboni]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mMzlIuZ_Bss


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RrTZ6EJ953w

[monty]

Posted without opinion or comment


http://youtu.be/CFb8FO9DoLU

https://youtu.be/CFb8FO9DoLU


http://youtu.be/UtJ8pxmFMB0

https://youtu.be/UtJ8pxmFMB0

[mamboni]

Posted without opinion or comment


http://youtu.be/CFb8FO9DoLU

https://youtu.be/CFb8FO9DoLU


http://youtu.be/UtJ8pxmFMB0

https://youtu.be/UtJ8pxmFMB0Though distances are not provided, the second video supports a flat earth. The cruise ship lights never cease to be visable line if sight which begs the question: where is the curvature in the ocean. If the ship is only 6 miles away, the approximate distance to the visable horizon, the ship should be behind 24 feet of water.

[Shami-Amourae]

You can see why I titled this thread: "Flat Earthers Won't Go Away".

[mamboni]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NaGvjSEm0IA

[Jewboo]

...the second video supports a flat earth.




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b-f5iMDXvcA

This 2005 video supports that a gorilla can beat a Tyrannosaurus. We can believe our own eyes fellow goyim. Videos don't lie.

http://cdn.collider.com/wp-content/uploads/steven-spielberg-slice2.jpg
Let's use that special lens to flatten the horizon for the goys


http://www.baptistsymposium.com/forum/core/images/smilies/jew.gif

[mamboni]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b-f5iMDXvcA

This 2005 video supports that a gorilla can beat a Tyrannosaurus. We can believe our own eyes fellow goyim. Videos don't lie.

http://cdn.collider.com/wp-content/uploads/steven-spielberg-slice2.jpg
Let's use that special lens to flatten the horizon for the goys


http://www.baptistsymposium.com/forum/core/images/smilies/jew.gif


LOL

Maybe your world view is bent by your extreme hatred of Jews. Maybe it blinds you to the obvious: our entire world view is synthetic and contrived.

[Jewboo]

LOL Maybe your world view is bent by your extreme hatred of Jews.

Just dissuading you from using Jewtube "videos" to make your case for flat-earth especially after you posted this limiting "FIRST-HAND" evidence parameter:




...I only observe and draw tentative conclusions until new findings change those conclusions. If you have any FIRST-HAND data and observations to prove the globe earth model then I will examine it and perhaps come around to your world view. For example, as you imply a working knowledge of powerful land-based telescopes, have you personally viewed and /or photographed man-made satellites in high altitude?



;D

[crimethink]

Though distances are not provided, the second video supports a flat earth. The cruise ship lights never cease to be visable line if sight which begs the question: where is the curvature in the ocean. If the ship is only 6 miles away, the approximate distance to the visable horizon, the ship should be behind 24 feet of water.

Curious you fail to address the first video. Can't let mathematics get in the way of the flat Earth theory.

As for the second, double the length of the video, and the ship will disappear.

[Jewboo]

Maybe it blinds you to the obvious: our entire world view is synthetic and contrived.



https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/82/Just_divorced.jpg

Many guys here naturally questioned their sense of Reality regarding women after getting fucked in a divorce. Most don't start questioning their entire belief system and wonder if the Earth is actually flat.


:) <--- BLIND JEW HATER

[crimethink]

Maybe your world view is bent by your extreme hatred of Jews. Maybe it blinds you to the obvious: our entire world view is synthetic and contrived.

Wow. Just wow.

While your tragedy makes me very sad, I must say that you have given all of us a very valuable lesson: never, ever, take the needle. I haven't had an injection since 1991, and never will again. It's not because I dispute the theory of immunization; it's because I don't trust that the vaccine contains only a beneficial ingredient. The wise physician we all knew, able to discern the facts from lies and stupidity, is no more.

[Jewboo]

...vaccine...

Totally off topic.

[crimethink]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mMzlIuZ_Bss

This kook, calling himself "Agent S," has a variety of videos that are pro-Trump, anti-Clinton, and anti-NWO. It's pretty damn clear his purpose is to associate lunacy like a "flat Earth" with "undesirable" ideas like nationalism, bringing disrepute on the latter.

The Russians are "in on" the "NASA conspiracy," BTW:

http://www.livescience.com/31431-earth-image-russian-satellite.html

http://eng.ntsomz.ru/

[crimethink]

Totally off topic.

Not at all. mamboni knew vaccines are dangerous, but buckled and took the needle anyway to keep his job. My theory is that this accounts for his current "condition."

I realize you have another "theory." I don't find that that accounts for this situation.

[Jewboo]

Not at all. mamboni knew vaccines are dangerous...

I'm trying to avoid ad hom. I personally like and admire Mamboni and hope to cajole him out of his flat-earth declaration from late last night. Leave him a logical face-saving exit from flat-earthism.

:) Trump is more important today...we need to move on.

[Glass]

A longitudinal circumnavigation isn't a common occurrence because it's particularly dangerous. Not because there is a huge hole to the hollow Earth or a cliff to oblivion at each pole, but because both poles - especially the south - are barren wastelands, with little hope of rescue if the plane goes down. And the south has winds & weather that make "going down" a very high probability.

This guy with brass balls and lots of cash did it:

https://www.aopa.org/news-and-media/all-news/2015/january/22/around-the-world-over-the-poles

That is not a circumnavigation of the globe. He went down one side (hemisphere) and backup... the same side (hemisphere) again. And that seems to be the pattern. No one has gone down one hemisphere, over the pole and backup on the other side of the "planet'. I've already looked at this guy and others in this very thread.


A pilot from Fredericksburg, Virginia, has flown around the world in a single-engine airplane on a route down the eastern side of the Americas, over the South Pole, across the Pacific Ocean, up the West Coast of the U.S. to Alaska, over the North Pole, and home.

[Jewboo]

No one has gone down one hemisphere, over the pole and backup on the other side of the "planet'.



Your flat Earth has a "hemisphere" and "pole"?

:)

[mamboni]

Disclaimer: though an enfeebled elder with a brain addled by toxic vaccines laced with thimerasol and SV40 virus I may be, I thought this video well worth your time. At the minimum pure entertainment. Of course, you know where I stand. Yes, I may have gone mad. But, I'd be the last to know it anyway.

TOP 7 REASONS Why I Believe in the Flat Earth 2016


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n2JaM86xpqo

[Dogman]

Disclaimer: though an enfeebled elder with a brain addled by toxic vaccines laced with thimerasol and SV40 virus I may be, I thought this video well worth your time. At the minimum pure entertainment. Of course, you know where I stand. Yes, I may have gone mad. But, I'd be the last to know it anyway.

TOP 7 REASONS Why I Believe in the Flat Earth 2016

YouTube Link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n2JaM86xpqo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n2JaM86xpqo)

Doc

It as you know!

It is always better in life for one to know they are crazy, unlike they that are batshit crazy and not have a clue !

The first = life is interesting!

The second = does vary but mostly not for any good !

Peace !

Sent from my Nexus 7 using Forum runner

[Jewboo]

Yes, I may have gone mad. But, I'd be the last to know it anyway.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n2JaM86xpqo

You can count on me to help you return to reality Mamboni. You may be the last to know it...but let me point out exactly where you and this video guy are wrong:
1) Go to exactly 11:01 on the video.

2) His graphic says that the mountain peak is 3072 meters.

3) He himself says at exactly 11:01 that from a distance he can only see the top 2000 feet of that mountain peak.

4) Obviously the curvature of Earth at that distance is hiding the lower 8078 feet of that mountain.


Your video just proved that Earth is actually a sphere.



:) five years ago that same flat-earther nut who posted your video on Jewtube also posted THIS ONE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZIWh2lQOjDM)

[Neuro]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NaGvjSEm0IA

Mamboni take a holiday this winter go to Australia travel it by land from east to west Sydney-Perth measure the distance travelled check out the time when sun is in Zenith without having adjusted your time piece to the time zones. Then explain to us how come you didn't travel 3 times as long distance as you would have, had the flat earth map been correct.

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/48/98/a1/4898a120408ea33864d992fa676be1e9.jpg
http://schr.work/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/north-america-australia-flat-earth-map-comparison1.jpg

[Jewboo]

Mamboni take a holiday this winter...

I absolutely agree with the holiday suggestion.

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/HOV0AQHeE7Q/hqdefault.jpg

Question for Neuro: The "crust" of Earth is approximately 30 miles deep. What is keeping all that pressurized lava under a flat crust from melting down and dripping away into space?

;D

[Neuro]

http://youtu.be/NdMSnftw4Mw

Go down under and check it out Mamboni! At the same time you'll save Junior from certain nuclear holocaust, in a predominantly white English speaking society...

[crimethink]

That is not a circumnavigation of the globe. He went down one side (hemisphere) and backup... the same side (hemisphere) again. And that seems to be the pattern. No one has gone down one hemisphere, over the pole and backup on the other side of the "planet'. I've already looked at this guy and others in this very thread.

http://www.guinnessworldrecords.com/world-records/first-circumnavigation-via-both-poles-surface

Of course, now you will be relegated to calling Fiennes and Burton "liars," in order to uphold your imbecilic "flat Earth" delusion.

[Neuro]

I absolutely agree with the holiday suggestion.

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/HOV0AQHeE7Q/hqdefault.jpg

Question for Neuro: The "crust" of Earth is approximately 30 miles deep. What is keeping all that pressurized lava under a flat crust from melting down and dripping away into space?

;D
It would be that pesky gravity, that is there whether you believe in it or not. I suppose the crust isn't molten down because earth surface is cooled down by the deep space heat sink that is fucking yuuuge!

Mamboni needs to take the time to take some real world measurements. I'm a bit concerned though how he will take it when other men calls him "mate", especially since he took a vow to avoid Sheila's...

[Glass]

http://www.guinnessworldrecords.com/world-records/first-circumnavigation-via-both-poles-surface

Of course, now you will be relegated to calling Fiennes and Burton "liars," in order to uphold your imbecilic "flat Earth" delusion.

I think I stated clearly my position a few posts back that I didn't accept flat earth as it's argued. so thanks for the "yet another" personal attack when you can't cope with people disagreeing with you.

I pointed out quite rightly that these people do not circumnavigate the globe. Going down the right side of a continent and then back up the left side is not circumnavigation. It's simply a there and back journey.

Fiennes..... yes, unfortunately I already have. http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?83953-Flat-Earthers-Won-t-Go-Away&p=852321&viewfull=1#post852321

Fiennes avdentures are very dubious. He claims to have traveled various distances on his travels including 100,000 miles circumnavigating the globe. Thats a big globe or he's a bloody poor navigator... or he was just BS'ing everyone.

As an aside he was also sued for fraud on one of these adventures for staging various elements and placing his companions in extreme danger to do it. The Judge dismissed the civil claim because he said the person suing agreed to participate in the frauds.

Also check out his "EPIC" documentary of his journey and ask yourself. Who filmed it? Who accompanied them on this journey and Who supplied them.... His claims don't stack up. And again, check his route

Check and see how many are in the 33 degree club.

[Jewboo]

It would be that pesky gravity, that is there whether you believe in it or not. I suppose the crust isn't molten down because earth surface is cooled down by the deep space heat sink that is fucking yuuuge!

"Gravity" would instantly crush Earth into a ball like all the other spherical planets. A flat Earth by definition can't exist with "gravity".

;D <-- flat not spherical

[crimethink]

Disclaimer: though an enfeebled elder with a brain addled by toxic vaccines laced with thimerasol and SV40 virus I may be, I thought this video well worth your time. At the minimum pure entertainment. Of course, you know where I stand. Yes, I may have gone mad. But, I'd be the last to know it anyway.

TOP 7 REASONS Why I Believe in the Flat Earth 2016


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n2JaM86xpqo

List of space agencies with the technical ability to expose NASA as liars:

Roscosmos (Russian Space Agency)

China National Space Administration

Korean Committee of Space Technology (North Korea)

Indian Space Research Organisation

Iranian Space Agency

All of these agencies have satellite launch capability, and can easily demonstrate:

1) the Earth is really flat
2) the Earth doesn't look like NASA maps/images
3) there is a "wall" at the edge of the Earth

None have done so. They are all "in on" it?

I do not bring up your vaccination because I have contempt for you, but exactly the opposite: it makes absolutely no sense for a man who had great discernment in the past to now believe logically, evidentially, scientifically untenable nonsense like a flat Earth. I want to you to come to realize "something" is wrong, and not with the standard geophysical model.

[Neuro]

"Gravity" would instantly crush Earth into a ball like all the other spherical planets. A flat Earth by definition can't exist with "gravity".

;D <-- flat not spherical

So that must mean that volcanoes are nothing but pyrotechnics on the flat earth then? ;D

[crimethink]

You can count on me to help you return to reality Mamboni. You may be the last to know it...but let me point out exactly where you and this video guy are wrong:
1) Go to exactly 11:01 on the video.

2) His graphic says that the mountain peak is 3072 meters.

3) He himself says at exactly 11:01 that from a distance he can only see the top 2000 feet of that mountain peak.

4) Obviously the curvature of Earth at that distance is hiding the lower 8078 feet of that mountain.


Your video just proved that Earth is actually a sphere.

At 9:14, the video proves the idea of a flat Earth is a UN conspiracy. :)

[Neuro]

Yes, I may have gone mad. But, I'd be the last to know it anyway.
That is brilliant! Sig line material! I'll use it until evidence of sanity returning. Mmmokay? :)

[crimethink]

so thanks for the "yet another" personal attack when you can't cope with people disagreeing with you.


I call it as I see it.

Shall I call you a WAAAmbulance?




I pointed out quite rightly that these people do not circumnavigate the globe. Going down the right side of a continent and then back up the left side is not circumnavigation. It's simply a there and back journey.


If one goes to the South Pole, and there is no wall, it doesn't matter.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4V5PYO9wWw




Fiennes..... yes, unfortunately I already have. http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?83953-Flat-Earthers-Won-t-Go-Away&p=852321&viewfull=1#post852321


Ah, so you get your panties in a bunch because I said your idea was imbecilic, yet you have no problem trashing a guy who did more then either of us.




Check and see how many are in the 33 degree club.


Why are you promoting the United Nations conspiracy of a flat Earth? :(??

https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-oZEX3cJO6RM/VYHprMcbLMI/AAAAAAAAAM0/z01dNUj06Wc/s1600/UNFlag33.jpg

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-A7SuYYWkOFI/VnSb0YPWKhI/AAAAAAAACQw/ULGZkzqm3d8/s1600/Flat%2BEarth%2Band%2BUnited%2BNations%2BMap.png

[Jewboo]

I do not bring up your vaccination because I have contempt for you, but exactly the opposite: it makes absolutely no sense for a man who had great discernment in the past to now believe logically, evidentially, scientifically untenable nonsense like a flat Earth. I want you to come to realize "something" is wrong, and not with the standard geophysical model.



http://ic.pics.livejournal.com/ksherbi/74724210/74442/74442_800.jpg

Something is wrong with all of us and it has nothing to do with your vaccination fetish. My guess is that Mamboni is over doing questioning (over thinking) Reality after his recent divorce. Women. Our legal system. Our society. Most divorced men I know have done this. The problem appears that he may have gone way too far in doubting ALL what we "know" to be real. I hope he was just a little drunk late last night when he posted his flat-earth declaration. I also hope to cajole Mamboni into realizing that his and our lives are not some kind of Truman Show:

http://pic.pimg.tw/dos19891120/1340871865-1147995894_n.jpg?v=1340871866

http://www.tboake.com/images/film_images/TRUMAN1-WEB/TRUMAN_SHOW_SCE-107_resize.jpg

http://img04.imgsinemalar.com/images/ss_buyuk/904/Truman-Show-31.jpg
SS Pepe hits a wall

https://static.independent.co.uk/s3fs-public/thumbnails/image/2014/04/10/09/truman.jpg
WTF ?

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/5d/11/97/5d1197ba3d200bbb9d1965f999de929d.jpg
HOLY SHIT...I GOTTA WARN GSUS ABOUT THIS !!! NOTHING IS REAL !!!

:) Let's just help Mamboni regain his old perspective before the divorce

[crimethink]

Something is wrong with all of us and it has nothing to do with your vaccination fetish.


I contend it has nothing to do with your "all women are evil" fetish.

Vaccines are poison, and that is a fact. Whether you accept it or not is irrelevant.

Of course, outright psychosis is another possibility.




My guess is that Mamboni is over doing questioning (over thinking) Reality after his recent divorce. Women. Our legal system. Our society. Most divorced men I know have done this. The problem appears that he may have gone way too far in doubting ALL what we "know" to be real. I hope he was just a little drunk late last night when he posted his flat-earth declaration. I also hope to cajole Mamboni into realizing that his and our lives are not some kind of Truman Show.

It is neither normal nor typical for divorced men to question true scientific reality, demonstrable by observation combined with mathematics. Self-reflection on how "I" went "wrong" in one's personal life choices is normal and typical.

You yourself are in denial at the seriousness of his current state. His posts are not those resulting from a drunken whim.

[Jewboo]

Vaccines are poison, and that is a fact. Whether you accept it or not is irrelevant.
I have all my vaccinations and obviously still make more sense than you.

Of course, outright psychosis is another possibility.
Says the bible thumper.

It is neither normal nor typical for divorced men to question...
Your wife hasn't divorced you yet...you obviously can't know how divorced men think.



:rolleyes: nice try pal...lol

[crimethink]

:rolleyes: nice try pal...lol

You wouldn't want to cross the Rubicon now, would you?

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/oct/8/hillary-clinton-says-she-has-both-public-and-priva/

Time to come clean about what you really think, Book.




I have all my vaccinations and obviously still make more sense than you.


Actually, it reveals you are far more of a conformist than you lead on.

[mamboni]

That is brilliant! Sig line material! I'll use it until evidence of sanity returning. Mmmokay? :)

Of course, as it's public domain and free to use.

[StreetsOfGold]

Ready to tell us how the Vatican fits 1 John 2:22-23 yet? Your friends, the Jews, do.

Trying to CHANGE the subject of this thread?
I already answered this long ago but ....one more time (with feeling)


1 John 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
1 John 2:23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.

The "Christ" of the Catholic church IS NOT THE JESUS CHRIST OF THE BIBLE!!

Whether you accept this or not, it's the truth and a FACT!
The "Christ" of the Roman Catholic church is CONTAINED in a JAR (made of gold) which sits on the altar and the Cat-holic "priest" is ordained to put THEIR CHRIST into a round, white wafer and you EAT HIM literally (then poop him out in an hour or so)
Sorry, that ain't the Jesus Christ OF THE BIBLE!!

Its that clear? Or do you have cow dung for brains?

You SHOULD DENY that OTHER "Christ" (of the Catholic church) and accept the Jesus Christ OF THE BIBLE!!

[crimethink]

I already answered this long ago but ....one more time (with feeling)


Uh, no. You continue to do your work as a deceiver. Lying.




1 John 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
1 John 2:23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.

The "Christ" of the Catholic church IS NOT THE JESUS CHRIST OF THE BIBLE!!

Whether you accept this or not, it's the truth and a FACT!


Uh, no, it's not:

http://www.catholic.org/clife/jesus/webelieve.php

Who is Jesus Christ?

Jesus Christ is God the Son, who became man for us.

Is Jesus Christ truly God?

Jesus Christ is truly God, the Second Person of the Trinity, the Son, the Eternal Word, who with the Father and the Holy Spirit always was, is, and always will be.

‘In the beginning was the Word’ (John 1:1)


More in-depth, and with full-authority:

http://www.vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/p1s2c2a2.htm


Contrast all that to what the real rulers of this planet, the Jews, say about Him, whom they call "Jesus ben Pandira." Whom they call a "bastard" and "sorcerer."

The Jews, not the Vatican, fit 1 John 2:22-23.




Its that clear? Or do you have cow dung for brains?


Dung, you say? That's what your masters, the Jews, say Christians are boiled in, in Hell, in their "holy" books, the Talmud.




You SHOULD DENY that OTHER "Christ" (of the Catholic church) and accept the Jesus Christ OF THE BIBLE!!

I have already accepted the Christ of the Holy Bible. And as do hundreds of millions of Catholics.

Why do you continue to do the work of your father, the Devil?

[Shami-Amourae]

You two are getting off topic. Probably should start new threads on these other issues.


Started a thread on love/hypergamy here:
http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?93073-Love-and-Hypergamy


There's a thread on marriage here (related to hypergamy one):
http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?91911-MARRIAGE-You-can-say-no

Vaccine thread:
http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?64065-If-I-refuse-the-Flu-Vaccine-my-medical-practice-will-be-terminated

[Jewboo]

http://i.imgur.com/whRCgmL.jpg

[mamboni]

It's flat folks. In a year from now, half of us will consider it flat.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B8Uj0FgDP38

[Neuro]

It's flat folks. In a year from now, half of us will consider it flat.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B8Uj0FgDP38

This is BS of course as the sun sets and rises in a sine curve fashion, consistent with a rotating ball earth, rather than a 1/x type curve which would be consistent with a flat stationary earth, moving sun. A simple observation during a sunny day where you plot suns angulation vs time of day on an x/y graph paper.

But how could that possibly compete with this "amazing" video?

Though I wouldn't be surprised if 50% of people believed we lived on a flat earth in a year though. The level of scientific ignorance that the last couple of decades of "Information Age" has brought about in the public is unprecedented since the renaissance!

[crimethink]

This is BS of course as the sun sets and rises in a sine curve fashion, consistent with a rotating ball earth, rather than a 1/x type curve which would be consistent with a flat stationary earth, moving sun. A simple observation during a sunny day where you plot suns angulation vs time of day on an x/y graph paper.

But how could that possibly compete with this "amazing" video?

Though I wouldn't be surprised if 50% of people believed we lived on a flat earth in a year though. The level of scientific ignorance that the last couple of decades of "Information Age" has brought about in the public is unprecedented since the renaissance!

What is most disturbing is that this "ignorance" (or lack of discernment) cuts across all educational levels and social classes. It's not a "lack of education." It appears to be caused by something impairing the ability to both reason and attune to intuition. Whether that is due to (as noted earlier) vaccines, radiation (e.g., cell phones), chemicals in food & environment, and/or simply the overwhelming flood of noise (useless "information"), is uncertain. Why you or I or a minority of others are immune to this, is, of course, also uncertain. I've been studying the effects of radiation on mental processes for years, and have noticed the correlation between the increase in microwave radiation and anxiety disorders (which are impediments to clear thinking) over the last 40 years. Microwave radiation is a well-known means (weapon) to literally drive people insane (ever since the Russians microwaved the US embassy in Moscow). I won't further address the vaccination angle, since certain people here don't like that fact.

What's funny about the "50%" projection is that about the same will support Her Majesty as "the best choice" in less than two weeks. :rolleyes:

[mamboni]

This is BS of course as the sun sets and rises in a sine curve fashion, consistent with a rotating ball earth, rather than a 1/x type curve which would be consistent with a flat stationary earth, moving sun. A simple observation during a sunny day where you plot suns angulation vs time of day on an x/y graph paper.

But how could that possibly compete with this "amazing" video?

Though I wouldn't be surprised if 50% of people believed we lived on a flat earth in a year though. The level of scientific ignorance that the last couple of decades of "Information Age" has brought about in the public is unprecedented since the renaissance!

Do you know of such measurements showing that the sun sets behind the earth with constant angular velocity, corrected for perspective? These videos show a sun setting asymptotically towards the vanishing point horizon.

[mamboni]

Would you believe your own eyes?


“IT SEEMED A FLAT DISC WITH UPTURNED EDGE” - Auguste Piccard, Popular Science Magazine, August 1931
http://imgur.com/gallery/miXLb

[Neuro]

What is most disturbing is that this "ignorance" (or lack of discernment) cuts across all educational levels and social classes. It's not a "lack of education." It appears to be caused by something impairing the ability to both reason and attune to intuition. Whether that is due to (as noted earlier) vaccines, radiation (e.g., cell phones), chemicals in food & environment, and/or simply the overwhelming flood of noise (useless "information"), is uncertain. Why you or I or a minority of others are immune to this, is, of course, also uncertain. I've been studying the effects of radiation on mental processes for years, and have noticed the correlation between the increase in microwave radiation and anxiety disorders (which are impediments to clear thinking) over the last 40 years. Microwave radiation is a well-known means (weapon) to literally drive people insane (ever since the Russians microwaved the US embassy in Moscow). I won't further address the vaccination angle, since certain people here don't like that fact.

What's funny about the "50%" projection is that about the same will support Her Majesty as "the best choice" in less than two weeks. :rolleyes:

Perhaps it has something to do with information overloading? And the speed we receive information today? It seems most people today are not capable of reading a piece longer than a few hundred words, thus a deeper contextual understanding of any subject becomes impossible?

I find it scary that someone like Mamboni appears to have fallen for something like Flat earthism. He has shown great discernment and critical thinking in most things until now...

[crimethink]

Would you believe your own eyes?

I do. And in my brain to discern the facts. And that's why I believe in the fact of a spherical Earth.

"Do you believe you own eyes" has been used for many delusions:

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/images/dachau/dachausurvivor2.jpg

That's "proof" that the Germans "gassed" Jews and aimed to exterminate all Jews in a "Final Solution." :rolleyes:

(belief in The Holocaust™ is the quintessence of a lack of discernment)

[crimethink]

Perhaps it has something to do with information overloading? And the speed we receive information today? It seems most people today are not capable of reading a piece longer than a few hundred words, thus a deeper contextual understanding of any subject becomes impossible?


My attention span has dropped precipitously in the last decade or so, due to the information flood. Yet I retain my discernment, so it's not only that.




I find it scary that someone like Mamboni appears to have fallen for something like Flat earthism. He has shown great discernment and critical thinking in most things until now...

Yes, the recency of this phenomenon is why I brought up the injections he took just a few years ago. And received fanatic criticism about it.

[StreetsOfGold]

Would you believe your own eyes?


“IT SEEMED A FLAT DISC WITH UPTURNED EDGE” - Auguste Piccard, Popular Science Magazine, August 1931


http://imgur.com/gallery/miXLb

You can leave it to the Christians to GET the proof! MM > 12:50


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJB5H9gW0x0&amp;feature=youtu.be&amp;t=12m50s

[StreetsOfGold]

A few choice pictures for thought

86088609861086118612

[crimethink]

You can leave it to the Christians to GET the proof!

With "Christians" like you, the Devil needs no other allies.

"And it came to pass in those days, that there went out a decree from Caesar Augustus, that all the world should be taxed."

How much did the Incans pay the Romans?

A lack of discernment renders one unable to recognize facts...and reality.

[crimethink]

A few choice pictures for thought

86088609861086118612

Why do you agree with Pope Urban VIII and most Popes that the Earth is flat? Are you a tool of the Vatican?

[mamboni]

Here is a photograph of the Chicago skyline, taken at Beverly Shore IN across Lake Michigan from 48 miles away. The curvature can be calculated using the Pythagorean formula for a sphere of circumference of 25,000 miles (8 inch X miles x miles). There should be 1100 feet of declination (curvature); that is, the skyline should be behind 1100 feet of curved water, whereby the only building that should be visable is the top third of the Sears Tower. Yet, we can clearly see the entire skyline. This particular shot has been captured on different days with different weather conditions and light. The skyline is sharp and detailed. It is not a mirage. There is no observable curvature - that is empiric fact.

http://i.imgur.com/RnQzvmP.jpg

[Dogman]

Here is a photograph of the Chicago skyline, taken at Beverly Shore IN across Lake Michigan from 48 miles away. The curvature can be calculated using the Pythagorean formula for a sphere of circumference of 25,000 miles (8 inch X miles x miles). There should be 1100 feet of declination (curvature); that is, the skyline should be behind 1100 feet of curved water, whereby the only building that should be visable is the top third of the Sears Tower. Yet, we can clearly see the entire skyline. This particular shot has been captured on different days with different weather conditions and light. The skyline is sharp and detailed. It is not a mirage. There is no observable curvature - that is empiric fact.

http://i.imgur.com/RnQzvmP.jpg

How high is the eye of the observer ?

Any elevation of the eye from ground level increases the observable horizon..


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9hbbE4DXq1Q

In the past had to deal with antenna heights using vhf/uhf for line of sight communications..

http://www.hamuniverse.com/lineofsightcalculator.html

[Jewboo]

How high is the eye of the observer ?

Any elevation of the eye from ground level increases the observable horizon..


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9hbbE4DXq1Q

In the past had to deal with antenna heights using vhf/uhf for line of sight communications..

http://www.hamuniverse.com/lineofsightcalculator.html

Dogman just provided us logical convincing factual PROOF and won this thread debate. Watch his short video and read his brief webpage!


:D bravo!

[mamboni]

How high is the eye of the observer ?

Any elevation of the eye from ground level increases the observable horizon..


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9hbbE4DXq1Q

In the past had to deal with antenna heights using vhf/uhf for line of sight communications..

http://www.hamuniverse.com/lineofsightcalculator.htmlThe photographs were taken my folk standing on the beach, eye height 5-6 feet. This would not significantly change the skyline given the large distance to the target, 48 miles.

[mamboni]

Dogman just provided us logical convincing factual PROOF and won this thread debate. Watch his short video and read his brief webpage!


:D bravo!I don't see how you came to this assertion. The video describes the curvature equation. This does not invalidate the photo I posted, even if the photographer was significantly higher, like 50 feet (unlikely).

[Dogman]

I don't see how you came to this assertion. The video describes the curvature equation. This does not invalidate the photo I posted, even if the photographer was significantly higher, like 50 feet (unlikely).

In your photo, you are not seeing the bases of the buildings, or ground level, what you are seeing is somewhere above ground level view of the buildings. The bottom sections are cut off by the horizon, Next time you go there , lay down and eyeball the skyline at an ants perspective , then stand up, you may notice or not a change.

Lmfao..

Been wanting to say this for years, just been waiting for the perfect time....

8613


;D

[Neuro]

In your photo, you are not seeing the bases of the buildings, or ground level, what you are seeing is somewhere above ground level view of the buildings. The bottom sections are cut off by the horizon, Next time you go there , lay down and eyeball the skyline at an ants perspective , then stand up, you may notice or not a change.

Lmfao..

Been wanting to say this for years, just been waiting for the perfect time....

8613


;D
If the observer is 400 ft above sea level, the horizon could be seen 24.5 miles away, according to this site:
http://www.ringbell.co.uk/info/hdist.htm

Which means that if the observer is 400 ft above sea level, 48 miles across Lake Michigan, you could observe the skyline of any building that is more than 400 ft above sea level in Chicago...

[Dogman]

If the observer is 400 ft above sea level, the horizon could be seen 24.5 miles away, according to this site:
http://www.ringbell.co.uk/info/hdist.htm

Which means that if the observer is 400 ft above sea level, 48 miles across Lake Michigan, you could observe the skyline of any building that is more than 400 ft above sea level in Chicago... But can you see 0 foot ground level or the bases of those same buildings.. Think not.

[mamboni]

In your photo, you are not seeing the bases of the buildings, or ground level, what you are seeing is somewhere above ground level view of the buildings. The bottom sections are cut off by the horizon, Next time you go there , lay down and eyeball the skyline at an ants perspective , then stand up, you may notice or not a change.

Lmfao..

Been wanting to say this for years, just been waiting for the perfect time....

8613


;DYou are totally missing the relative scales. You shouldn't even be able to see any of the skyline if the earth has curvature. If you place your eye at ground level, you will see only waves. There is no detectable curvature. But some people see only what they think they should see. There are many other examples of earthly flat plans miles across that show no visable or measurable curvature. These are empiric facts.

[mamboni]

If the observer is 400 ft above sea level, the horizon could be seen 24.5 miles away, according to this site:
http://www.ringbell.co.uk/info/hdist.htm

Which means that if the observer is 400 ft above sea level, 48 miles across Lake Michigan, you could observe the skyline of any building that is more than 400 ft above sea level in Chicago...Well, the photo in question WAS NOT taken at 400 ft elevation. And if it were, you would still not be able to see the bottom 700 ft of the skyline IF THE EARTH HAD CURVATURE. In the photo virtually the entire skyline is visable, from top to bottom, even though the photo was taken at a nominal height of only 5 to 6 feet. In short, there is no curvature (in the photo).

[Dogman]

Well seeing the earth curves abt 8" per mile so at 48 miles the drop is close to 32 feet, so discounting wave highth at the eyeball level, the buildings on the sky line are seeing with the bottom 32 feet missing below the sky line.. If my sorry math is near right.

48m x 8" = 384"/ 12" = 32'

Out of this one, may the fun here continue, despite any hint of real facts and direct observation.

This thread is funny and a hoot...

;D

[Neuro]

Here is a photograph of the Chicago skyline, taken at Beverly Shore IN across Lake Michigan from 48 miles away. The curvature can be calculated using the Pythagorean formula for a sphere of circumference of 25,000 miles (8 inch X miles x miles). There should be 1100 feet of declination (curvature); that is, the skyline should be behind 1100 feet of curved water, whereby the only building that should be visable is the top third of the Sears Tower. Yet, we can clearly see the entire skyline. This particular shot has been captured on different days with different weather conditions and light. The skyline is sharp and detailed. It is not a mirage. There is no observable curvature - that is empiric fact.

http://i.imgur.com/RnQzvmP.jpg
I would say you see the skyline around 400 ft above sea level in your photo Mamboni...

http://www.pagecovers.com/covers/scenic/chicago_illinois_skyline_day.jpg
Can you prove with another photo that yours was taken at sea level and not 400 ft above?

[mamboni]

74) From Genoa, Italy at a height of just 70 feet above sea-level, the island of Gorgona can often be seen 81 miles away. If Earth were a ball 25,000 miles in circumference, Gorgona should be hidden beyond 3,332 feet of curvature.


http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-TJrKZ0rxrzs/Vb-Ruqy3woI/AAAAAAAAQBc/JxxgstAxYuk/s400/Gorgona.jpg (http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-TJrKZ0rxrzs/Vb-Ruqy3woI/AAAAAAAAQBc/JxxgstAxYuk/s1600/Gorgona.jpg)


75) From Genoa, Italy at a height of just 70 feet above sea-level, the island of Corsica can often be seen 99 miles away. If Earth were a ball 25,000 miles in circumference, Corsica should fall 5,245 feet, almost an entire mile below the horizon.


http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-GGC65FtNOcM/Vb-R8aTeXqI/AAAAAAAAQBk/MMazD4n2qKo/s400/corsica.jpg (http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-GGC65FtNOcM/Vb-R8aTeXqI/AAAAAAAAQBk/MMazD4n2qKo/s1600/corsica.jpg)


76) From Genoa, Italy 70 feet above sea-level, the island of Capraia 102 miles away can often be seen as well. If Earth were a ball 25,000 miles in circumference, Capraia should always remain hidden behind 5,605 feet, over a mile of supposed curvature.


http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-3BNe3todgcM/Vb-SG7txWlI/AAAAAAAAQBs/WKAGycSMy1E/s400/genova.jpg (http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-3BNe3todgcM/Vb-SG7txWlI/AAAAAAAAQBs/WKAGycSMy1E/s1600/genova.jpg)


77) Also from Genoa, on bright clear days, the island of Elba can be seen an incredible 125 miles away! If Earth were a ball 25,000 miles in circumference, Elba should be forever invisible behind 8770 feet of curvature.


http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-XY0OVqInZcQ/Vb-SSMI_mEI/AAAAAAAAQB0/xuRLgFnBbDI/s400/elba.jpg (http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-XY0OVqInZcQ/Vb-SSMI_mEI/AAAAAAAAQB0/xuRLgFnBbDI/s1600/elba.jpg)


78) From Anchorage, Alaska at an elevation of 102 feet, on clear days Mount Foraker can be seen with the naked eye 120 miles away. If Earth were a ball 25,000 miles in circumference, Mount Foraker’s 17,400 summit should be leaning back away from the observer covered by 7,719 feet of curved Earth. In reality, however, the entire mountain can be quite easily seen standing straight from base to summit.


http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-okILz18i2yc/Vb-StPKzkaI/AAAAAAAAQB8/GGXerer7mxM/s400/4958498645_1d3f8550b9_b.jpg (http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-okILz18i2yc/Vb-StPKzkaI/AAAAAAAAQB8/GGXerer7mxM/s1600/4958498645_1d3f8550b9_b.jpg)


79) From Anchorage, Alaska at an elevation of 102 feet, on clear days Mount McKinley can be seen with the naked eye from 130 miles away. If Earth were a ball 25,000 miles in circumference, Mount McKinley’s 20,320 foot summit should be leaning back away from the observer and almost half covered by 9,220 feet of curved Earth. In reality, however, the entire mountain can be quite easily seen standing straight from base to summit.


http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-opXJ_rrUfQg/Vb-S302C9tI/AAAAAAAAQCE/xhpCkhPGCOE/s400/11215923_10207106669484239_819008356_n.jpg


http://www.atlanteanconspiracy.com/2015/08/200-proofs-earth-is-not-spinning-ball.html (http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-opXJ_rrUfQg/Vb-S302C9tI/AAAAAAAAQCE/xhpCkhPGCOE/s1600/11215923_10207106669484239_819008356_n.jpg)

[Dogman]

Refraction of light bending or reflected.

[Neuro]

Well, the photo in question WAS NOT taken at 400 ft elevation. And if it were, you would still not be able to see the bottom 700 ft of the skyline IF THE EARTH HAD CURVATURE. In the photo virtually the entire skyline is visable, from top to bottom, even though the photo was taken at a nominal height of only 5 to 6 feet. In short, there is no curvature (in the photo).

You can see the horizon 24.5 miles away from the height of 400 ft, which means you can see the same horizon line in the middle of the lake from different directions at your observation points in Chicago and across Lake Michigan... and thus you could see things that are 400 ft above sea level across Lake Michigan if you yourself are 400ft above sea level.

[mamboni]

I would say you see the skyline around 400 ft above sea level in your photo Mamboni...

http://www.pagecovers.com/covers/scenic/chicago_illinois_skyline_day.jpg
Can you prove with another photo that yours was taken at sea level and not 400 ft above?You are way off. The CNA building is 600 feet. Yet the entire height of the "red" building is clearly visable in the photo from 48 miles. And for the last time, the photo WAS NOT taken at 400 ft elevation. And if it were, the ENTIRE CNA building would still be obscured by the lake.

[crimethink]

Clearly, we need laws against Flat Earth Denial.

[Neuro]

74) From Genoa, Italy at a height of just 70 feet above sea-level, the island of Gorgona can often be seen 81 miles away. If Earth were a ball 25,000 miles in circumference, Gorgona should be hidden beyond 3,332 feet of curvature.


http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-TJrKZ0rxrzs/Vb-Ruqy3woI/AAAAAAAAQBc/JxxgstAxYuk/s400/Gorgona.jpg (http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-TJrKZ0rxrzs/Vb-Ruqy3woI/AAAAAAAAQBc/JxxgstAxYuk/s1600/Gorgona.jpg)


75) From Genoa, Italy at a height of just 70 feet above sea-level, the island of Corsica can often be seen 99 miles away. If Earth were a ball 25,000 miles in circumference, Corsica should fall 5,245 feet, almost an entire mile below the horizon.


http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-GGC65FtNOcM/Vb-R8aTeXqI/AAAAAAAAQBk/MMazD4n2qKo/s400/corsica.jpg (http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-GGC65FtNOcM/Vb-R8aTeXqI/AAAAAAAAQBk/MMazD4n2qKo/s1600/corsica.jpg)


76) From Genoa, Italy 70 feet above sea-level, the island of Capraia 102 miles away can often be seen as well. If Earth were a ball 25,000 miles in circumference, Capraia should always remain hidden behind 5,605 feet, over a mile of supposed curvature.


http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-3BNe3todgcM/Vb-SG7txWlI/AAAAAAAAQBs/WKAGycSMy1E/s400/genova.jpg (http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-3BNe3todgcM/Vb-SG7txWlI/AAAAAAAAQBs/WKAGycSMy1E/s1600/genova.jpg)


77) Also from Genoa, on bright clear days, the island of Elba can be seen an incredible 125 miles away! If Earth were a ball 25,000 miles in circumference, Elba should be forever invisible behind 8770 feet of curvature.


http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-XY0OVqInZcQ/Vb-SSMI_mEI/AAAAAAAAQB0/xuRLgFnBbDI/s400/elba.jpg (http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-XY0OVqInZcQ/Vb-SSMI_mEI/AAAAAAAAQB0/xuRLgFnBbDI/s1600/elba.jpg)


78) From Anchorage, Alaska at an elevation of 102 feet, on clear days Mount Foraker can be seen with the naked eye 120 miles away. If Earth were a ball 25,000 miles in circumference, Mount Foraker’s 17,400 summit should be leaning back away from the observer covered by 7,719 feet of curved Earth. In reality, however, the entire mountain can be quite easily seen standing straight from base to summit.


http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-okILz18i2yc/Vb-StPKzkaI/AAAAAAAAQB8/GGXerer7mxM/s400/4958498645_1d3f8550b9_b.jpg (http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-okILz18i2yc/Vb-StPKzkaI/AAAAAAAAQB8/GGXerer7mxM/s1600/4958498645_1d3f8550b9_b.jpg)


79) From Anchorage, Alaska at an elevation of 102 feet, on clear days Mount McKinley can be seen with the naked eye from 130 miles away. If Earth were a ball 25,000 miles in circumference, Mount McKinley’s 20,320 foot summit should be leaning back away from the observer and almost half covered by 9,220 feet of curved Earth. In reality, however, the entire mountain can be quite easily seen standing straight from base to summit.


http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-opXJ_rrUfQg/Vb-S302C9tI/AAAAAAAAQCE/xhpCkhPGCOE/s400/11215923_10207106669484239_819008356_n.jpg


http://www.atlanteanconspiracy.com/2015/08/200-proofs-earth-is-not-spinning-ball.html (http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-opXJ_rrUfQg/Vb-S302C9tI/AAAAAAAAQCE/xhpCkhPGCOE/s1600/11215923_10207106669484239_819008356_n.jpg)



The fact that you are a significant altitude above horizon level changes the equation vs being AT horizon level!

[mamboni]

You can see the horizon 24.5 miles away from the height of 400 ft, which means you can see the same horizon line in the middle of the lake from different directions at your observation points in Chicago and across Lake Michigan... and thus you could see things that are 400 ft above sea level across Lake Michigan if you yourself are 400ft above sea level.I guess the "baffle them with bullshit" tactic is being engaged. You know what, believe what you want. I have better things to do than compensate for your willful blindness.

[Dogman]

I guess the "baffle them with bullshit" tactic is being engaged. You know what, believe what you want. I have better things to do than compensate for your willful blindness.


Very sad !

[crimethink]

I guess the "baffle them with bullshit" tactic is being engaged. You know what, believe what you want. I have better things to do than compensate for your willful blindness.

Do you believe in the Showers™ of Auschwitz™, too?

After all, pictures don't lie. :rolleyes:

[Dogman]

Here is a photograph of the Chicago skyline, taken at Beverly Shore IN across Lake Michigan from 48 miles away. The curvature can be calculated using the Pythagorean formula for a sphere of circumference of 25,000 miles (8 inch X miles x miles). There should be 1100 feet of declination (curvature); that is, the skyline should be behind 1100 feet of curved water, whereby the only building that should be visable is the top third of the Sears Tower. Yet, we can clearly see the entire skyline. This particular shot has been captured on different days with different weather conditions and light. The skyline is sharp and detailed. It is not a mirage. There is no observable curvature - that is empiric fact.

http://i.imgur.com/RnQzvmP.jpg


The photographs were taken my folk standing on the beach, eye height 5-6 feet. This would not significantly change the skyline given the large distance to the target, 48 miles.

Omg !

Say it is not so Doc !

http://morrislaslojr.blogspot.com/2015/10/10715-one-parrot-is-very-loud-and.html

8615

:cool:




Now to stur the pot more.

Mirage of Chicago skyline seen from Michigan shoreline


More at link...


http://www.abc57.com/story/28925566/mirage-of-chicago-skyline-seen-from-michigan-shoreline


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vbn9BBppR5g

[mamboni]

Do you believe in the Showers™ of Auschwitz™, too?

After all, pictures don't lie. :rolleyes:You are way off base friend. FYI I am the author of one of the major Holocaust Holohoax threads. But please, spare me the strawman argument. This ham handed tactic on your part is very disappointing.

[Jewboo]

How high is the eye of the observer ?

Any elevation of the eye from ground level increases the observable horizon..


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9hbbE4DXq1Q

In the past had to deal with antenna heights using vhf/uhf for line of sight communications..

http://www.hamuniverse.com/lineofsightcalculator.html

Dogman:

Keeping this simple...mathematically, line-of-sight drops approximately EIGHT INCHES PER MILE according to these formulas ?

:)

[mamboni]

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-4v-OYJAwMQ8/Vb-TOAQNVgI/AAAAAAAAQCU/qA1MXzPR14U/s400/LADY_LIBERTY_AT_NIGHT.gif

90) The Statue of Liberty in New York stands 326 feet above sea level and on a clear day can be seen as far as 60 miles away. If the Earth were a globe, that would put Lady Liberty at an impossible 2,074 feet below the horizon.

[Dogman]

Dogman:

Keeping this simple...mathematically, line-of-sight drops approximately EIGHT INCHES PER MILE according to these formulas ?

:)



My post #359 or so addressed this..

;D

[Jewboo]

Well seeing the earth curves abt 8" per mile so at 48 miles the drop is close to 32 feet, so discounting wave highth at the eyeball level, the buildings on the sky line are seeing with the bottom 32 feet missing below the sky line...



http://image.slidesharecdn.com/aidstonavigation-100806084044-phpapp02/95/aids-to-navigation-15-728.jpg?cb=1281084160

I logically buy your EIGHT INCHES PER MILE drop in visibility due to the curvature of Earth. Rather than people arguing over these inconclusive photos of city skylines, it seems better for us to instead use Lighthouses or a single LIGHT source at night to convince Mamboni. Can you think of a single LIGHT over a measurable distance we can all use at night to make this critical point?

Visibility of objects at a distance (http://www.terrypepper.com/lights/lists/visibility.htm)

:(??

[Dogman]

I logically buy your EIGHT INCHES PER MILE drop in visibility due to the curvature of Earth. Rather than people arguing over these inconclusive photos of city skylines, it seems better for us to instead use Lighthouses or a single LIGHT source at night to convince Mamboni. Can you think of a simple LIGHT over a measurable distance we can all use at night to make this critical point?

Visibility of objects at a distance (http://www.terrypepper.com/lights/lists/visibility.htm)

:(??

Am not even going to try !

My omg links has dropped my esteem for him !

I have said my piece , presented what I think and from this moment will not waste my time on this thread!

Because now it is like trying to divide by zero arguing !

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[mamboni]

http://image.slidesharecdn.com/aidstonavigation-100806084044-phpapp02/95/aids-to-navigation-15-728.jpg?cb=1281084160

I logically buy your EIGHT INCHES PER MILE drop in visibility due to the curvature of Earth. Rather than people arguing over these inconclusive photos of city skylines, it seems better for us to instead use Lighthouses or a single LIGHT source at night to convince Mamboni. Can you think of a single LIGHT over a measurable distance we can all use at night to make this critical point?

Visibility of objects at a distance (http://www.terrypepper.com/lights/lists/visibility.htm)

:(?? You are not going to convince me when you can't even get a simple algebraic formula right. Curvature is non-linear; by inspection alone, you should realize that 8 X miles is a linear function and incorrect. The correct formula is 8 inch X miles X miles. The exponential is critical, because as distance increases, the declination increases at an ever increasing rate. At one mile the declination is 0.666 feet. At 100 miles, the declination is increased 10,000 fold to 6,666 feet, over a mile! Capeche?

[Jewboo]

You are not going to convince me when you can't even get a simple algebraic formula right. Curvature is non-linear; by inspection alone, you should realize that 8 X miles is a linear function and incorrect. The correct formula is 8 inch X miles X miles. The exponential is critical, because as distance increases, the declination increases at an ever increasing rate. At one mile the declination is 0.666 feet. At 100 miles, the declination is increased 10,000 fold to 6,666 feet, over a mile! Capeche?

Can you link me to an Idiot's Exponential Guide to help me easily understand where you got this second X from?

???

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5a/HorizonDistance.png
Objects above the horizon


Geometrical horizon distance

To compute the greatest distance at which an observer can see the top of an object above the horizon, compute the distance to the horizon for a hypothetical observer on top of that object, and add it to the real observer's distance to the horizon. For example, for an observer with a height of 1.70 m standing on the ground, the horizon is 4.65 km away. For a tower with a height of 100 m, the horizon distance is 35.7 km. Thus an observer on a beach can see the top of the tower as long as it is not more than 40.35 km away. Conversely, if an observer on a boat (h = 1.7 m) can just see the tops of trees on a nearby shore (h = 10 m), the trees are probably about 16 km away.
Referring to the figure at the right, the top of the lighthouse will be visible to a lookout in a crow's nest (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crow%27s_nest) at the top of a mast of the boat if
D B L < 3.57 ( h B + h L ) , {\displaystyle D_{\mathrm {BL} }<3.57\,({\sqrt {h_{\mathrm {B} }}}+{\sqrt {h_{\mathrm {L} }}})\,,} https://wikimedia.org/api/rest_v1/media/math/render/svg/e36e69af87479b350b20ec29e688e547bf40f1d2 where DBL is in kilometres and hB and hL are in metres.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/13/Horizon%2C_Valencia_%28Spain%29.JPG/220px-Horizon%2C_Valencia_%28Spain%29.JPG (http://javascript<strong></strong>:void(0))

A view across a 20-km-wide bay in the coast of Spain (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spain). Note the curvature of the Earth (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curvature_of_the_Earth) hiding the base of the buildings on the far shore.

As another example, suppose an observer, whose eyes are two metres above the level ground, uses binoculars to look at a distant building which he knows to consist of thirty storeys (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Storey), each 3.5 metres high. He counts the storeys he can see, and finds there are only ten. So twenty storeys or 70 metres of the building are hidden from him by the curvature of the Earth. From this, he can calculate his distance from the building:
D ≈ 3.57 ( 2 + 70 ) {\displaystyle D\approx 3.57({\sqrt {2}}+{\sqrt {70}})} https://wikimedia.org/api/rest_v1/media/math/render/svg/a8dcedf9f5a5063ec489cb432927de819e62f1a0 which comes to about 35 kilometres.
It is similarly possible to calculate how much of a distant object is visible above the horizon. Suppose an observer's eye is 10 metres above sea level, and he is watching a ship that is 20 km away. His horizon is:
3.57 10 {\displaystyle 3.57{\sqrt {10}}} https://wikimedia.org/api/rest_v1/media/math/render/svg/b9ae79bfd21218df53747497d43caf531df1407d kilometres from him, which comes to about 11.3 kilometres away. The ship is a further 8.7 km away. The height of a point on the ship that is just visible to the observer is given by:
h ≈ ( 8.7 3.57 ) 2 {\displaystyle h\approx \left({\frac {8.7}{3.57}}\right)^{2}} https://wikimedia.org/api/rest_v1/media/math/render/svg/31f62e2a451fbfe2dc2155c04519e4ee538ea7bf which comes to almost exactly six metres. The observer can therefore see that part of the ship that is more than six metres above the level of the water. The part of the ship that is below this height is hidden from him by the curvature of the Earth. In this situation, the ship is said to be hull-down (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hull-down).

[mamboni]

Can you link me to an Idiot's Exponential Guide to help me easily understand where you got this second X from?

???No. There's a limit to my hand holding. When I taught medical students and residents, I'll tell you what I told them: go research it yourslef and use the brain God gave you. Then I'll check your work.

On a different theme, let's examine the only image of earth that NASA claims was taken from space (all other globe earth images published by NASA are admitted to be CGI composites and/or paintings). Notice that Africa occupies ~ 1/2 of the hemispheric circumference of the globe. So NASA's Africa occupies 1/4 of the globe circumference, approximately. Yet Africa measures little over 4000 miles from the north coast to the southern tip. So NASA's globe, a supposed photo of globe earth, measures about 16,000 miles, not 25,000 miles in circumference. There is an explanation. This photo of [flat] earth was taken by Apollo from high altitude through a round window and with a fish eye lens. This resulted in a disproportionately oversized African continent due to cropping, while the fish eye created the illusion of curvature.

http://thumbs.media.smithsonianmag.com//filer/4a/28/4a28fd6a-e070-47ca-a507-9f6bf6fe5441/1_earth_gpn-2000-001138_-1100_x_500.jpg__800x600_q85_crop.jpg

[crimethink]

You are way off base friend. FYI I am the author of one of the major Holocaust Holohoax threads. But please, spare me the strawman argument. This ham handed tactic on your part is very disappointing.

You asked us to "believe our own eyes." I am merely pointing out that all the terrible photos from German concentration camps, on first glance, appear to "prove" the Holocaust™ claims, when one does not discern the facts behind the photos.

Likewise with the "believe your own eyes" "proof" of a Flat Earth. Your "evidence" for a flat Earth is only for fools that only look at what something appears to be without pondering the rest.

What is disappointing is that someone who should know better is insisting that the Earth is flat.

[crimethink]

When I taught medical students and residents, I'll tell you what I told them: go research it yourslef and use the brain God gave you. Then I'll check your work.

Have you shared your "discovery" with your medical colleagues? :D

[Jewboo]

Can you link me to an Idiot's Exponential Guide to help me easily understand where you got this second X from?

???

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5a/HorizonDistance.png
Objects above the horizon


Geometrical horizon distance

To compute the greatest distance at which an observer can see the top of an object above the horizon, compute the distance to the horizon for a hypothetical observer on top of that object, and add it to the real observer's distance to the horizon. For example, for an observer with a height of 1.70 m standing on the ground, the horizon is 4.65 km away. For a tower with a height of 100 m, the horizon distance is 35.7 km. Thus an observer on a beach can see the top of the tower as long as it is not more than 40.35 km away. Conversely, if an observer on a boat (h = 1.7 m) can just see the tops of trees on a nearby shore (h = 10 m), the trees are probably about 16 km away.
Referring to the figure at the right, the top of the lighthouse will be visible to a lookout in a crow's nest (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crow%27s_nest) at the top of a mast of the boat if
D B L < 3.57 ( h B + h L ) , {\displaystyle D_{\mathrm {BL} }<3.57\,({\sqrt {h_{\mathrm {B} }}}+{\sqrt {h_{\mathrm {L} }}})\,,} https://wikimedia.org/api/rest_v1/media/math/render/svg/e36e69af87479b350b20ec29e688e547bf40f1d2 where DBL is in kilometres and hB and hL are in metres.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/13/Horizon%2C_Valencia_%28Spain%29.JPG/220px-Horizon%2C_Valencia_%28Spain%29.JPG (http://javascript<strong></strong>:void(0))

A view across a 20-km-wide bay in the coast of Spain (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spain). Note the curvature of the Earth (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curvature_of_the_Earth) hiding the base of the buildings on the far shore.

As another example, suppose an observer, whose eyes are two metres above the level ground, uses binoculars to look at a distant building which he knows to consist of thirty storeys (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Storey), each 3.5 metres high. He counts the storeys he can see, and finds there are only ten. So twenty storeys or 70 metres of the building are hidden from him by the curvature of the Earth. From this, he can calculate his distance from the building:
D ≈ 3.57 ( 2 + 70 ) {\displaystyle D\approx 3.57({\sqrt {2}}+{\sqrt {70}})} https://wikimedia.org/api/rest_v1/media/math/render/svg/a8dcedf9f5a5063ec489cb432927de819e62f1a0 which comes to about 35 kilometres.
It is similarly possible to calculate how much of a distant object is visible above the horizon. Suppose an observer's eye is 10 metres above sea level, and he is watching a ship that is 20 km away. His horizon is:
3.57 10 {\displaystyle 3.57{\sqrt {10}}} https://wikimedia.org/api/rest_v1/media/math/render/svg/b9ae79bfd21218df53747497d43caf531df1407d kilometres from him, which comes to about 11.3 kilometres away. The ship is a further 8.7 km away. The height of a point on the ship that is just visible to the observer is given by:
h ≈ ( 8.7 3.57 ) 2 {\displaystyle h\approx \left({\frac {8.7}{3.57}}\right)^{2}} https://wikimedia.org/api/rest_v1/media/math/render/svg/31f62e2a451fbfe2dc2155c04519e4ee538ea7bf which comes to almost exactly six metres. The observer can therefore see that part of the ship that is more than six metres above the level of the water. The part of the ship that is below this height is hidden from him by the curvature of the Earth. In this situation, the ship is said to be hull-down (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hull-down).

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/ec/Frazier_Peak%2C_tower_and_Honda_Element.jpg

MICROWAVE industry also regularly factors in the curvature of Earth when they install their towers:

Line-of-sight propagation (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Line-of-sight_propagation)


Line-of-sight propagation is a characteristic of electromagnetic radiation (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electromagnetic_radiation) or acoustic wave propagation (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wave_propagation). Electromagnetic transmission includes light emissions traveling in a straight line. The rays or waves may be diffracted (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diffraction), refracted (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Refraction), reflected, or absorbed by atmosphere and obstructions with material and generally cannot travel over the horizon (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horizon) or behind obstacles.

At low frequency (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Low_frequency) (below approximately 3 MHz (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hertz)), radio (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radio) signals travel as ground waves (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ground_wave), which follow the Earth's curvature due to diffraction (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diffraction) with the layers of the atmosphere (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Layers_of_the_atmosphere). This enables AM (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amplitude_modulation) radio signals in low-noise (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noise) environments to be received well after the transmitting antenna (http://javascript<strong></strong>:void(0)) has dropped below the horizon (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horizon). Additionally, frequencies between approximately 1 and 30 MHz can be reflected by the F1/F2 Layer (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ionosphere), thus giving radio transmissions in this range a potentially global reach (see shortwave radio (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shortwave_radio)), again along multiple deflected straight lines. The effects of multiple diffraction or reflection lead to macroscopically "quasi-curved paths"...

Low-powered microwave (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microwave) transmitters can be foiled by tree branches, or even heavy rain or snow. If a direct visual fix cannot be taken, it is important to take into account the curvature of the Earth when calculating line-of-sight from maps. Designs for microwave used to use 4/3 earth radius to compute clearances along the path.


:)

[osoab]

Can you link me to an Idiot's Exponential Guide to help me easily understand where you got this second X from?


It's 8" per mile2 I questioned it so I ran the numbers in Autocad myself. My numbers matched the numbers in the chart below.
Do it in Draftsight or Autocad. Draw a circle and start running straight lines. The scale is tough. You really need to run it in 1000 mile increments.

This is one I did below about a year ago when I first heard about the FE. So I wanted to see.
The numbers you see below are feet and then miles.

Example of the math below to alleviate confusion:

The one that says 5280013'-1"3/8 is really 528,000'. The bracket [1000'] is really 1,000 miles. 5,280' = 1 mile.
I couldn't get my Autocad version to give miles for an increment marker so I used inches and [feet].


The mess really small at the top are the 1, 10, and 100 miles range. Like I said, the scale is bitch.



http://gold-silver.us/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=8616&d=1477603714
8616


https://i.ytimg.com/vi/sNUCaUOrpNs/maxresdefault.jpg

[osoab]

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/13/Horizon%2C_Valencia_%28Spain%29.JPG/220px-Horizon%2C_Valencia_%28Spain%29.JPG (http://javascript<strong></strong>:void(0))

A view across a 20-km-wide bay in the coast of Spain (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spain). Note the curvature of the Earth (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curvature_of_the_Earth) hiding the base of the buildings on the far shore.


It's an issue of perspective.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ql_TTguKxnE

[Neuro]

I guess the "baffle them with bullshit" tactic is being engaged. You know what, believe what you want. I have better things to do than compensate for your willful blindness.

Astonishing, you are clearly projecting here, as you apparently have no will to see beyond the horizon.

Here is another simple experiment you can do, attach a pencil or a straight stick at a 90° angle to a horizontal piece of paper on a sunny day, put a dot at the end of the shadow every hour or half hour. Ask yourself why the distance between the dots is bigger close to dusk and dawn. If the sun moves parallel to the flat earth, that would suggest it moves faster, close to dusk and dawn, do you think that is likely? If so would you expect to see this acceleration of suns motion only in your time zone at dusk and dawn, and the acceleration would be at different times in other time zones?

[Neuro]

Silly sailors risking their lives climbing up in the mast lookout, when they could have stayed at deck and seen as far...
https://thumbs.dreamstime.com/z/mast-old-sailing-ship-rigging-lookout-masts-lookouts-60494890.jpg

[Dogman]

Silly sailors risking their lives climbing up in the mast lookout, when they could have stayed at deck and seen as far...


Bet being in a high crows nest in a good storm would be a wild ride as the ship rolled and rocked !

Imagine today people pay good money for a ride just a fraction of those old salts experience in normal life on the high seas!

Back then brass or gold balls were standard issue !

;D

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[mamboni]

Silly sailors risking their lives climbing up in the mast lookout, when they could have stayed at deck and seen as far...
https://thumbs.dreamstime.com/z/mast-old-sailing-ship-rigging-lookout-masts-lookouts-60494890.jpgThe atmosphere is not perfectly transparent. That is why you see a horizon - because your vision ends either at a vanishing point or due to atmospheric blocking. Your argument for globe earth is a non-argument.

[mamboni]

Astonishing, you are clearly projecting here, as you apparently have no will to see beyond the horizon.

Here is another simple experiment you can do, attach a pencil or a straight stick at a 90° angle to a horizontal piece of paper on a sunny day, put a dot at the end of the shadow every hour or half hour. Ask yourself why the distance between the dots is bigger close to dusk and dawn. If the sun moves parallel to the flat earth, that would suggest it moves faster, close to dusk and dawn, do you think that is likely? If so would you expect to see this acceleration of suns motion only in your time zone at dusk and dawn, and the acceleration would be at different times in other time zones?Let us know what results you get, OK?

[Jewboo]

It's 8" per mile2...The mess really small at the top are the 1, 10, and 100 miles range. Like I said, the scale is bitch.



https://i.ytimg.com/vi/sNUCaUOrpNs/maxresdefault.jpg

Thanks for taking the time to school me Osoab.

1 mile = 0.67 feet
10 miles = 66.68 feet
100 miles = 6669 feet

http://www.warlordgames.com/forum/images/smilies/th_shrug.gif I stand corrected

[Shami-Amourae]

>tfw you thought the Earth was flat, but then a scientist went and invented a south-pointing gyroscope

:rolleyes:

http://img.4plebs.org/boards/pol/image/1457/78/1457787934495.jpg


A gyroscope will precess under the influence of a torque. That torque in this case is provided by the Earth's rotation.

As the Earth turns, the gyroscope wants to continue facing in exactly the same direction. However, the weight hanging from it drags it down, exerting a torque. This torque twists twists the gyroscope until it faces south, at which point the torque is 0 and the gyroscope is at rest.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8H98BgRzpOM

The bells and whistles and motors on the gyrocompass are mostly to keep the thing spinning so it can operate.

Basically it's using the Earth's rotation to point south.

[Jewboo]

https://windward.hawaii.edu/facstaff/miliefsky-m/BIOL%20100%20Lab/eyechart.147190338.gif

Terrestrial Telescopes?

:)

[Dogman]

Thanks for taking the time to school me Osoab.

1 mile = 0.67 feet
10 miles = 66.68 feet
100 miles = 6669 feet

I stand corrected


Sumpthing ain't right with that table!

66' or so fits at 100m but no way in holy hell 6669' that's more than a mile drop per 100m

6669 feet drop fits more at 1000 miles.

Total huge pile of bull paddy's !

Sumpthing taint right by a factor of 10 !

(Mile=m)

;D

Think back before cable and TV antennas and how high they needed to be for reception for a given distance, as long as no Hill's were in the way of the signal path!





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[osoab]

Sumpthing ain't right with that table!

66' or so fits at 100m but no way in holy hell 6669' that's more than a mile drop per 100m

6669 feet drop fits more at 1000 miles.

Total huge pile of bull paddy's !

Sumpthing taint right by a factor of 10 !

(Mile=m)

;D

Think back before cable and TV antennas and how high they needed to be for reception for a given distance, as long as no Hill's were in the way of the signal path!





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Yeah, the math...

The vid I posted of the buoy, I think was 20 miles. Maybe 10. You couldn't see it at 10 miles. Water always finds it's level...

[Dogman]

Yeah, the math...

The vid I posted of the buoy, I think was 20 miles. Maybe 10. You couldn't see it at 10 miles. Water always finds it's level...

Thinky my ciphering is closer to the real than yours, you may need to revisit your model... Ur off by a factor of 10.

Just saying..

;D

[osoab]

>tfw you thought the Earth was flat, but then a scientist went and invented a south-pointing gyroscope

:rolleyes:

http://img.4plebs.org/boards/pol/image/1457/78/1457787934495.jpg


A gyroscope will precess under the influence of a torque. That torque in this case is provided by the Earth's rotation.

As the Earth turns, the gyroscope wants to continue facing in exactly the same direction. However, the weight hanging from it drags it down, exerting a torque. This torque twists twists the gyroscope until it faces south, at which point the torque is 0 and the gyroscope is at rest.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8H98BgRzpOM

The bells and whistles and motors on the gyrocompass are mostly to keep the thing spinning so it can operate.

Basically it's using the Earth's rotation to point south.

Where is North when standing at the equator?

[osoab]

Thinky my ciphering is closer to the real than yours, you may need to revisit your model... Ur off by a factor of 10.

Just saying..

;D

Where? :)

edit. I was off. I added a zero in my text. I will update above. The cad file is not wrong.

[Dogman]

Where? :)

edit. I was off. I was missing a zero. I will update above. Maybe not so much you, but more to the table book posted, the figures are off by a factor of 10, as I have posted above and across several posts.

I stand by my numbers.

Peace..

[Dogman]

Dam zeros !

Pesky things....!

Sorry bud, I just can not help it....

Grin..!

Amazing how sumpthing can be made out of nuthing..!

;D

[Jewboo]

Where? :)

edit. I was off. I added a zero in my text. I will update above. The cad file is not wrong.

1 mile = 0.67 feet
10 miles = 66.68 feet
100 miles = 6669 feet

Is your table also wrong Osoab? This is important...Mamboni is also saying miles squared.

:)

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/sNUCaUOrpNs/maxresdefault.jpg

[Dogman]

Cad file table needs a revisit..

Imo

[osoab]

Maybe not so much you, but more to the table book posted, the figures are off by a factor of 10, as I have posted above and across several posts.

I stand by my numbers.

Peace..

No, his numbers match the chart and I confirm the chart.

Here is the tiny section.

I show 10, 20, 30, and 69 miles. The numbers in [brackets] are actually miles.

8619

[Dogman]

No, his numbers match the chart and I confirm the chart.

Here is the tiny section.

I show 10, 20, 30, and 69 miles. The numbers in [brackets] are actually miles.

8619

Then the chart is wrong, no way in hell it is right..

I can not see the chart nor references, the math is off by a factor of 10,

66 foot drop is correct for 100 miles, not 10 miles.

[osoab]

1 mile = 0.67 feet
10 miles = 66.68 feet
100 miles = 6669 feet

Is your table also wrong Osoab? This is important...Mamboni is also saying miles squared.

:)



I did the cad file to prove the table wrong. The table is correct.

[Dogman]

I did the cad file to prove the table wrong. The table is correct. On this lets agree to disagree.

Sump thing is very wrong with that table.

Imho

;D

[osoab]

Then the chart is wrong, no way in hell it is right..

I can not see the chart nor references, the math is off by a factor of 10,

66 foot drop is correct for 100 miles, not 10 miles.

I added 100 miles for you. I show a 72 mile drop.

8620

Now, we also should be looking at it this way if we are talking globe. However, the image below is extremely out of scale. The guy shown, if the globe is scaled to earth, would be at least 200 miles in height.
I believe this is what you are pointing out. I will mess around more with the cad file. The scaling is a bitch though.

https://www.metabunk.org/data/MetaMirrorCache/bff854d857b13b86c3d099ae64a56fa9.jpg

[Dogman]

When you find a 66 foot drop at 100 miles you will be in the ballpark.

;D

8 inches per mile is not squared, it is linear ..

(thinky that maybe your booboo)

Hoot !


Lmfao

For real !

;D

[osoab]

To add to the above, here is a website that calcs the bulge.

https://www.metabunk.org/curve/

[Jewboo]

The table is correct.

1 mile = 0.67 feet
10 miles = 66.68 feet
100 miles = 6669 feet

https://laulima.hawaii.edu/access/content/group/2c084cc1-8f08-442b-80e8-ed89faa22c33/book/chapter_1/size_eg1.jpg

7926 miles a ballpark Earth diameter with your table calculations?

:)

[osoab]

1 mile = 0.67 feet
10 miles = 66.68 feet
100 miles = 6669 feet

https://laulima.hawaii.edu/access/content/group/2c084cc1-8f08-442b-80e8-ed89faa22c33/book/chapter_1/size_eg1.jpg

7926 miles a ballpark Earth diameter with your table calculations?

:)




I used 7918 for the diameter. I show both radius and diameter in the cad models.

[Jewboo]

1 mile = 0.67 feet
10 miles = 66.68 feet
100 miles = 6669 feet

https://laulima.hawaii.edu/access/content/group/2c084cc1-8f08-442b-80e8-ed89faa22c33/book/chapter_1/size_eg1.jpg

7926 miles a ballpark Earth diameter with your table calculations?

:)





https://youtu.be/ql_TTguKxnE

7918 is ballpark. If so...your video of that buoy floating on the surface clearly VISIBLE ten miles away makes the flat-earth case (Mamboni's case) that there really is no 66 foot drop at ten miles.

:(??

[osoab]

https://youtu.be/ql_TTguKxnE

7918 is ballpark. If so...your video of that buoy floating on the surface clearly VISIBLE ten miles away makes the flat-earth case (Mamboni's case) that there really is no 66 foot drop at ten miles.

:(??


according to this site, the hidden view of a 6' tall observer viewing an object 10 miles away would be 32'+ So said object would need to be 33' tall to be visible. What is the height of ocean buoys?

https://www.metabunk.org/curve/

However, I think there may be an issue with this website calculator.

[Neuro]

The atmosphere is not perfectly transparent. That is why you see a horizon - because your vision ends either at a vanishing point or due to atmospheric blocking. Your argument for globe earth is a non-argument.

Does the atmosphere becomes remarkably clearer as you climb up 30-50 feet in a mast and thus you can see much farther? Keep real Mamboni!

[mamboni]

https://youtu.be/ql_TTguKxnE

7918 is ballpark. If so...your video of that buoy floating on the surface clearly VISIBLE ten miles away makes the flat-earth case (Mamboni's case) that there really is no 66 foot drop at ten miles.

:(??


OUR FLAT DOMED CLOSED SYSTEM EXPLAINED -

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-RIBO7VB0VE#t=646.167723

[Jewboo]

However, I think there may be an issue with this website calculator.



Dogman thinks it is 10x off and instinctively a 66 foot drop at ten miles to me is simply wrong. I can easily see with the naked eye a red television transmitter tower light on the mountain 12 miles away. Here is the 23.83 mile-long Lake Pontchartrain Causeway:


https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/aa/Lake_Pontchartrain_Causeway.jpg

I'll bet with binoculars someone can stand on one end and clearly see the other end. No way that Causeway drops down 130 feet out of view due to the curvature of Earth.

Something 10x seriously wrong with that "miles square" formula.


:D and Earth still ain't flat

[Jewboo]

OUR FLAT DOMED CLOSED SYSTEM EXPLAINED

Not so fast Mamboni. Show us your simple mathematical equation that has a 7926 mile diameter circle yielding a 66 foot line-of-sight drop at ten miles.

:)

[Neuro]

Dogman thinks it is 10x off and instinctively a 66 foot drop at ten miles to me is simply wrong. I can easily see with the naked eye a red television transmitter tower light on the mountain 12 miles away. Here is the 23.83 mile-long Lake Pontchartrain Causeway:


https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/aa/Lake_Pontchartrain_Causeway.jpg

I'll bet with a cheap spotting scope someone can stand on one end and clearly see the other end. No way that Causeway drops down 130 feet out of view due to the curvature of Earth.

Something 10x seriously wrong with that "miles square" formula.


:D and Earth still ain't flat



That seems to be 40-50 feet above sea level though... However it should be at least 80 feet above sea level to be seen the entire length!

[mamboni]

Dogman thinks it is 10x off and instinctively a 66 foot drop at ten miles to me is simply wrong. I can easily see with the naked eye a red television transmitter tower light on the mountain 12 miles away. Here is the 23.83 mile-long Lake Pontchartrain Causeway:


https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/aa/Lake_Pontchartrain_Causeway.jpg

I'll bet with binoculars someone can stand on one end and clearly see the other end. No way that Causeway drops down 130 feet out of view due to the curvature of Earth.

Something 10x seriously wrong with that "miles square" formula.


:D and Earth still ain't flat


These are correct (Declination = 8 inch X miles of distance X miles of distance):

1 mile = 0.67 feet
10 miles = 66.68 feet
100 miles = 6669 feet

[Jewboo]

That seems to be 40-50 feet above sea level though... However it should be at least 80 feet above sea level to be seen the entire length!

It makes no difference since it is parallel to the water.

:rolleyes:

[Jewboo]

These are correct (Declination = 8 inch X miles of distance X miles of distance):

1 mile = 0.67 feet
10 miles = 66.68 feet
100 miles = 6669 feet


Not so fast Mamboni. Show us your simple mathematical equation that has a 7926 mile diameter circle yielding a 66 foot line-of-sight drop at ten miles.

:)


Simple request of Mamboni PhD if you want to use geometry/mathematics to disprove globe-Earth theory.

Plug in 7926 miles to yield 66 feet.

:)

[Neuro]

I would say you see the skyline around 400 ft above sea level in your photo Mamboni...

http://www.pagecovers.com/covers/scenic/chicago_illinois_skyline_day.jpg
Can you prove with another photo that yours was taken at sea level and not 400 ft above?


It makes no difference since it is parallel to the water.

:rolleyes:




It actually does, since you start off way above sea level and end up way above sea level...

Duh!

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5a/HorizonDistance.png
Have a look at the pic you posted earlier and repeat that it doesn't matter...

[mamboni]

Simple request of Mamboni PhD if you want to use geometry/mathematics to disprove globe-Earth theory.

Plug in 7926 miles to yield 66 feet.

:)
Plug it in to what?

[Jewboo]

It actually does, since you start off way above sea level and end up way above sea level...

Duh! Have a look at the pic you posted earlier and repeat that it doesn't matter...

You yourself admit that it is only 50 feet parallel above the water.

Ok. Stand under that causeway and look.

:rolleyes: nitpicker...lol

[Neuro]

You yourself admit that it is only 50 feet parallel above the water.

Ok. Stand under that causeway and look.

:rolleyes: nitpicker...lol

NEVER STAND UNDER A CAUSEWAY. It is DANGEROUS!

[Jewboo]

Plug it in to what?

I understood you have a simple EQUATION that can produce your 66.68 feet declination at ten miles from a 7926 mile diameter circle.

You win the argument if you can show us your simple EQUATION.

Obviously 10x10 or ten squared is the mile part.

:)


These are correct (Declination = 8 inch X miles of distance X miles of distance)

[osoab]

OUR FLAT DOMED CLOSED SYSTEM EXPLAINED -

<span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Roboto, arial, sans-serif; font-size: 20px;">
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-RIBO7VB0VE#t=646.167723

Don't listen to this guy. He is wrong on a lot of things.

[mamboni]

Don't listen to this guy. He is wrong on a lot of things.


Maybe you can enlighten us as to his errors?

The earth is flat. It does not move. The sun and moon move within the atmosphere under the firmament over the earth. These are facts based on observation. No amount of jawboning, calculations and denial is going to change these facts.

[osoab]

Maybe you can enlighten us as to his errors?

The earth is flat. It does not move. The sun and moon move within the atmosphere under the firmament over the earth. These are facts based on observation. No amount of jawboning, calculations and denial is going to change these facts.

I have watched a number of interviews of the guy. He will start spouting off "facts" that make no sense or "facts" that are completely wrong.
I don't see where he has done his own research. He parrots from youtube videos. I think he got on teevee programs because he is a black guy that has the ability to speak coherently.

It will be this evening before I have the time to find an example of him spouting off nonsense.

I am leaning FE. I am still trying to to prove ball earth.

[osoab]

I understood you have a simple EQUATION that can produce your 66.68 feet declination at ten miles from a 7926 mile diameter circle.

You win the argument if you can show us your simple EQUATION.

Obviously 10x10 or ten squared is the mile part.

:)



8" * 10(miles) * 10(miles) = 800" = 66.667' = 66'-8"



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9hbbE4DXq1Q
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9hbbE4DXq1Q

[Dogman]

8" * 10(miles) * 10(miles) = 800" = 66.667' = 66'-8"



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9hbbE4DXq1Q
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9hbbE4DXq1Q

Drop the red highlighted, no squares to calculate round...LMAO ;D

Unless you want to find the circumference of a circle or area then you use Pi

Circumference which is half the diameter (radius) times Pi will give the circumference of that circle.

Pi are square , round is the earth which is linear on the surface, and not squared.. HOOT ;D

8x10 = 80/12 = 6.66 feet drop at 10 miles..

8x100=800/12 = 66.66 feet drop at 100 miles..

Fact !

Rotflmao...

;D

[mamboni]

I have watched a number of interviews of the guy. He will start spouting off "facts" that make no sense or "facts" that are completely wrong.
I don't see where he has done his own research. He parrots from youtube videos. I think he got on teevee programs because he is a black guy that has the ability to speak coherently.

It will be this evening before I have the time to find an example of him spouting off nonsense.

I am leaning FE. I am still trying to to prove ball earth.When he explained Polaris and the stars forming perfect concentric circles around Polaris - that's when I had the a-ha moment. Because one could argue that the rotation of the stars around Polaris can be due to either the earth (globe) rotating or the stars rotating above a stationary (flat) earth. However, the heliocentric model flies in the face of the stars' perfect circular movement because the earth is purported to orbit the sun and travel through space at 65,000 miles per hour, fully 60 times the speed of travel of the stars around Polaris. Further, the sun is purported to travel at 600,000 miles per hour. If you factor in the purported movement of the milky way galaxy, earth is traveling at about a million miles per hour, fully 1000 times faster than the speed of rotation (of the stars around Polaris). Yet time lapse photography produced perfectly round clean paths centered on Polaris, the latter a stationary point. This is impossible if the earth, the sun and the galaxy are moving 1000 times faster(than the stars that 'circle' Polaris). There is only one solution: the earth does not move. The stars move around the earth.

[Jewboo]

Drop the red highlighted, no squares to calculate round...LMAO ;D

Unless you want to find the circumference of a circle or area then you use Pi

Circumference which is half the diameter (radius) times Pi will give the circumference of that circle.

Pi are square , round is the earth which is linear on the surface, and not squared.. HOOT ;D

8x10 = 80/12 = 6.66 feet drop at 10 miles..

8x100=800/12 = 66.66 feet drop at 100 miles..

Fact !

Rotflmao...

;D



Maybe you can enlighten us as to his errors?

The earth is flat. It does not move. The sun and moon move within the atmosphere under the firmament over the earth. These are facts based on observation. No amount of jawboning, calculations and denial is going to change these facts.

https://techknowtools.files.wordpress.com/2013/12/phd.jpg?w=350&h=200&crop=1

I asked Mamboni PhD to show us his simple EQUATION that yields 66.68 feet declination at ten miles.

He refuses to produce his simple EQUATION that yields 66.68 feet declination at ten miles.

:rolleyes:

[StreetsOfGold]

With "Christians" like you, the Devil needs no other allies.

"And it came to pass in those days, that there went out a decree from Caesar Augustus, that all the world should be taxed."

How much did the Incans pay the Romans?

A lack of discernment renders one unable to recognize facts...and reality.

See the title of this THREAD?!?
Why do you insist on CHANGING the subject? Feeling a bit uncomfortable?
All kinds of leaders have "decreed" all kinds of things which NEVER transpired, they just WANTED THEM TO
but you couldn't figure this simple thing out?
Pitiful
You also missed the PROPHECY while straining at a gnat.

There will come a time when ALL THE WORLD will be taxed as DECREED by a WORLD LEADER and THIS time is will be "DO" "able"

[Dogman]

see the title of this thread?!?
Why do you insist on changing the subject? Feeling a bit uncomfortable?
All kinds of leaders have "decreed" all kinds of things which never transpired, they just wanted them to
but you couldn't figure this simple thing out?
Pitiful
you also missed the prophecy while straining at a gnat.

There will come a time when all the world will be taxed as decreed by a world leader and this time is will be "do" "able"


8623

;d

[Neuro]

Drop the red highlighted, no squares to calculate round...LMAO ;D

Unless you want to find the circumference of a circle or area then you use Pi

Circumference which is half the diameter (radius) times Pi will give the circumference of that circle.

Pi are square , round is the earth which is linear on the surface, and not squared.. HOOT ;D

8x10 = 80/12 = 6.66 feet drop at 10 miles..

8x100=800/12 = 66.66 feet drop at 100 miles..

Fact !

Rotflmao...

;D
It appears as you are promoting a disc shaped earth that is +5000 feet thick from pole to pole and a razor sharp equator edge between the Northern and Southern Hemisphere!

Why not? It seems like anything goes nowadays!

[Dogman]

It appears as you are promoting a disc shaped earth that is +5000 feet thick from pole to pole and a razor sharp equator edge between the Northern and Southern Hemisphere!

Why not? It seems like anything goes nowadays!

Nice try numbnuts at a try in misdirection..

[Neuro]

Nice try doofus at a try in misdirection..

What you describe is a linear drop; 0.67 ft for 1 mile, 6.67 ft for 10
mile and 66.67 ft for a 100 miles, thus a thousand miles would drop 666.67 feet, that would be about 2600 feet for the entire radius of earth, times 2 for both hemispheres.

Doghat!

;D

[Jewboo]

Nice try numbnuts at a try in misdirection..

Neuro has been intentionally doing this. Not helpful at all.

[Dogman]

What you describe is a linear drop; 0.67 ft for 1 mile, 6.67 ft for 10
mile and 66.67 ft for a 100 miles, thus a thousand miles would drop 666.67 feet, that would be about 2600 feet for the entire radius of earth, times 2 for both hemispheres.

Doghat!

;D

I do sometimes resemble that remark !

8624

Pard ;D

[Jewboo]

thus a thousand miles would drop 666.67 feet, that would be about 2600 feet for the entire radius of earth



http://wmcicompsci.ca/cs20/turtleconfusion/img/confusion-12.png

Earth = 7926 mile diameter

What is the ballpark width of an Octagon that has eight sides 1000 miles long?

:)

[Dogman]

Neuro has been intentionally doing this. Not helpful at all.Mainly because they have lost and can not admit it, been taken out behind the wood pile and been throughly spanked.

So in their inability to present any proof or logic behind their thinking they will dodge and weave but never directly address.

Look back at my post that I did a OMG, and linked pictures.. Thinky post #370

The doc lifted a stock internet picture and then called it taken by family.

Pure "plagiarism"

My respect for him has dropped deeply.

:-[

[mamboni]

http://wmcicompsci.ca/cs20/turtleconfusion/img/confusion-12.png

Earth = 7926 mile diameter

What is the ballpark width of an Octagon that has eight sides 1000 miles long?

:)

2414

[Jewboo]

2414

http://tutorial.math.lamar.edu/Classes/CalcI/ProofTrigDeriv_files/image002.gif

Ok. we know that Earth is 7926 miles "wide" when an octagon is superimposed over that circle.

What is the ballpark length of each of the eight sides when the width of that octagon is 7929 miles?

[Dogman]

Ok. we know that Earth is 7926 miles "wide" when an octagon is superimposed over that circle.

What is the length of each of the eight sides when the width of that octagon is 7929 miles?

Not related sorta!

If you add all the angles of that octane the total will = 365 degrees!

A tad of mental trivia !

Carry on gentlemen (term used loosely)

;D


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[mamboni]

http://testingtheglobe.com/quest2.html


Later in the week, I went to Malibu. I saw a good place to pull over and check the horizon. The buildings and island in the distance gives you a sense scale/distance from the camera. Note the totally flat horizon:


http://testingtheglobe.com/images/FlatEarthSeaHorizon0.jpg Panning to the right. Flat as a pancake:

http://testingtheglobe.com/images/FlatEarthSeaHorizon1.jpg Continue to pan right. Still flat:

http://testingtheglobe.com/images/FlatEarthSeaHorizon2.jpg Panned all the way to the right. Flat:

http://testingtheglobe.com/images/FlatEarthSeaHorizon3.jpg Later in the week, I met with my friend Jef Anderson (https://www.facebook.com/15Jandy)and we had some interesting discussion. He told me about being a lifeguard in Ventura and how on a clear day, he could see the Anacapa Arch island bridge from the beach. This 40ft high arch is more than 18 miles away from the Ventura County Fairgrounds, which means it should be considerably below the horizon and NOT visible IF we are on a curved earth. Yet, somehow, everyone there has seen it on clear weather days. Hmmmm...
Spherical geometry proves the following elevation loss in all directions from a fixed point observer on a sphere with a 25,000 mile circumference:
1 mile - 8 inches
2 miles - 32 inches
3 miles - 6 feet
4 miles - 10 feet
5 miles - 16 feet
6 miles - 24 feet
7 miles - 32 feet
8 miles - 42 feet
9 miles - 54 feet
10 miles - 66 feet
20 miles - 266 feet
30 miles - 600 feet
40 miles - 1066 feet
50 miles - 1666 feet
60 miles - 2400 feet
70 miles - 3266 feet
80 miles - 4266 feet
90 miles - 5400 feet (over a mile now)
100 miles - 6666 feet

[Jewboo]

Not related sorta!



The zoom videos easily disprove your 6.67-foot declination for 10 miles. Mamboni is on to something here, but first I need to understand how we can mathematically verify actual declination due to the "curvature" of Earth. We can simplify this by using the octagon.

[Jewboo]

https://techknowtools.files.wordpress.com/2013/12/phd.jpg?w=350&h=200&crop=1

I asked Mamboni PhD to show us his simple EQUATION that yields 66.68 feet declination at ten miles.

He refuses to produce his simple EQUATION that yields 66.68 feet declination at ten miles.

:rolleyes:





http://testingtheglobe.com/quest2.html

Spherical geometry proves the following elevation loss in all directions from a fixed point observer on a sphere with a 25,000 mile circumference:

1 mile - 8 inches
2 miles - 32 inches
3 miles - 6 feet
4 miles - 10 feet
5 miles - 16 feet
6 miles - 24 feet
7 miles - 32 feet
8 miles - 42 feet
9 miles - 54 feet
10 miles - 66 feet



^ This is not Mamboni's own simple EQUATION that yields 66.68 feet declination at ten miles. This is just a copy-paste from some flat-earth website claiming "Spherical geometry proves...". Let's see your EQUATION Mamboni.

Dogman is correct when noting that using "Spherical geometry proves" when dealing with a 2-D circle is wrong.

:rolleyes:

[Neuro]

Neuro has been intentionally doing this. Not helpful at all.

Sorry I am unfit to support your idiocy!

[Shami-Amourae]

Notice how this non-real issue is distracting people from solving real world problems.

[Neuro]

http://wmcicompsci.ca/cs20/turtleconfusion/img/confusion-12.png

Earth = 7926 mile diameter

What is the ballpark width of an Octagon that has eight sides 1000 miles long?

:)

Look I pointed out Dogmans logical fallacy of a linear relationship between distance and drop due curvature. It is obvious to anyone not a complete moron that a drop in a circle relationship isn't linear, why now bring in a octagons.

You fuckers really are stupid beyond belief...

Good luck! I had enough of morons!

[Dogman]

The zoom videos easily disprove your 6.67-foot declination for 10 miles. Mamboni is on to something here, but first I need to understand how we can mathematically verify actual declination due to the "curvature" of Earth. We can simplify this by using the octagon.

Humm..

By god you are right and I am (gasp) wrong..I can see I need to do some self schooling.
(but not entirely)

Rip..

Me !

;D

[mamboni]

^ This is not Mamboni's own simple EQUATION that yields 66.68 feet declination at ten miles. This is just a copy-paste from some flat-earth website claiming "Spherical geometry proves...". Let's see your EQUATION Mamboni.

Dogman is correct when noting that using "Spherical geometry proves" when dealing with a 2-D circle is wrong.

:rolleyes:
Look, the Pythagorean equation for curvature simplifies to the solution given: declination(inchs) = 8 X miles X miles. I'm not wasting my time doing this simple algebra. It is correct as written. You are wasting time and energy on a nonstarter.

[Jewboo]

Humm..

By god you are right and I am (gasp) wrong..I can see I need to do some self schooling.
(but not entirely)

Rip..

Me !

;D

Not entirely. The flat-earthers are just wildly exaggerating their 6.67 foot per 10 miles thingie while gaslighting us with "Spherical geometry proves" misdirection.

Your curvature stuff relating to radio remains convincing.

:)

[mamboni]

Not entirely. The flat-earthers are just wildly exaggerating their 6.67 foot per 10 miles thingie while gaslighting us with "Spherical geometry proves" misdirection.

Your curvature stuff relating to radio remains convincing.

:):)


Flat earthers? Exaggerating? Gaslighting? LOL

Maybe you should come down off that cross and try doing some simple observations. Didn't they teach basic algebra in school when you attended? I'm confident you and Dogbrain can figure this one out eventually, so keep at it.

[Dogman]

Not entirely. The flat-earthers are just wildly exaggerating their 6.67 foot per 10 miles thingie while gaslighting us with "Spherical geometry proves" misdirection.

Your curvature stuff relating to radio remains convincing.

:):)



Thanks

Been warping my mind with what has been presented here vs
My radio line of sight experience, when it comes to long-range VHF/UHF communications and antennas I have put up to do the job!

There are NO mile high antennas needed to communicate is inline of sight radio on the frigging planet for a direct 100 mile jump!

My head hurts, ;D

Sumpthing does not compute , but I have been thinking only one antenna elevated!

It would take an antenna or transmitter to be at 6000 feet or so if using a Lazar to hit a receiver at ground level at around 100 miles !

Took a while to knock some rocks loose in my head! Been years since have to deal with something like this, which is why hams link repeaters to carry traffic across any distance beyond line of sight!

The tables presented here on the thread are correct !

Now for me time for a couple of aspirins and a beer or two to deal with the rocks that got loosened in my skull because of my reeducation !

But all in all the basic premise of the world is flat has been proven wrong, by the same that says it is flat !

Hooting and grinning on my way to get a beer and an aspirin or two!

Their own posts have proven the world is ROUND !

ROTFLMAO !

Peace y'all!

Charles !

;D




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[Jewboo]

Didn't they teach basic algebra in school when you attended?





:rolleyes:





https://techknowtools.files.wordpress.com/2013/12/phd.jpg?w=350&h=200&crop=1

I asked Mamboni PhD to show us his simple EQUATION that yields 66.68 feet declination at ten miles.

He still refuses to produce his simple EQUATION that yields 66.68 feet declination at ten miles.

[Jewboo]

Thanks

Been warping my mind with what has been presented here vs
My radio line of sight experience, when it comes to long-range VHF/UHF communications and antennas I have put up to do the job!

There are NO mile high antennas needed to communicate is inline of sight radio on the frigging planet for a direct 100 mile jump!

My head hurts, ;D

Sumpthing does not compute !

Tho the arguments presented here are are enticing !

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http://www.extremetech.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/Whitestone_BT-Tower_-_geograph.org_.uk_-_89423.jpg http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-FCecz_OCAck/VR1AF1Mn4wI/AAAAAAAAPwQ/f4aU0MGmZhE/s1600/moving_waterfall_picture_306.JPG

Agreed. Line-of-sight applies to both light (Lighthouse) and radio microwaves.

Microwave tower installers regularly factor in the curvature of Earth when planning. Why?

I wish Mamboni would have helped us here.


At low frequency (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Low_frequency) (below approximately 3 MHz (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hertz)), radio (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radio) signals travel as ground waves (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ground_wave), which follow the Earth's curvature due to diffraction (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diffraction) with the layers of the atmosphere (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Layers_of_the_atmosphere). This enables AM (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amplitude_modulation) radio signals in low-noise (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noise) environments to be received well after the transmitting antenna (http://javascript<strong></strong>:void(0)) has dropped below the horizon (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horizon).

[Dogman]

Agreed. Line-of-sight applies to both light (Lighthouse) and radio microwaves.

Microwave tower installers regularly factor in the curvature of Earth when planning. Why?

I wish Mamboni would have helped us here.

Need to read the rest of my post!

;D

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[Dogman]

Microwave tower installers regularly factor in the curvature of Earth when planning. Why?

That is why they are abt every 30 miles or so and most are linked repeaters !

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[Jewboo]

It would take an antenna or transmitter to be at 6000 feet or so if using a Lasar to hit a receiver at ground level at around 100 miles !



https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1196/9896/products/aa2_1024x1024.jpg?v=1476189440

Just ten miles needed to "prove" the alleged 6.67 foot drop.

;D

[Dogman]

https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1196/9896/products/aa2_1024x1024.jpg?v=1476189440

Just ten miles needed to "prove" the alleged 6.67 foot drop.

;D
The original table is right! It is not 6.6, it is more like a 66 foot drop at 10 miles.

Lazar transmitter at ant eyeball level out to the reciever which at 10 miles would have to be 66 foot above the ground to see it.

Due to the curvature of the flat earth....LMFAO !

;D

[Jewboo]

The original table is right!



https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1196/9896/products/aa2_1024x1024.jpg?v=1476189440

Should be able to buy a cheap laser and film the alleged 8 inch drop at only ONE mile.

:(??

[Dogman]

https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1196/9896/products/aa2_1024x1024.jpg?v=1476189440

Should be able to buy a cheap laser and film the alleged 8 inch drop at only ONE mile.

:(??Sorry to say even a Lazar suffers from beam spread over distance, better than any other light source but still the beam will spread, a pin point dot one foot away ,can be several inches out to a mile.

Nice thought tho, but no cigar...

[osoab]

Agreed. Line-of-sight applies to both light (Lighthouse) and radio microwaves.

Microwave tower installers regularly factor in the curvature of Earth when planning. Why?

I wish Mamboni would have helped us here.

I have picked up am stations from both Denver and Atlanta in central IL in a vehicle. Both in the dark in damp/foggy weather.

[Dogman]

I have picked up am stations from both Denver and Atlanta in central IL in a vehicle. Both in the dark in damp/foggy weather.Am radio is low frequency on the edge of the high frequency band and can follow the curvature of the earth. Am is kilocycles radio and VHF/UHF is in megacycles and tend to move in straight lines and can not follow the curvature of the earth.

[Jewboo]

I have picked up am stations from both Denver and Atlanta in central IL in a vehicle. Both in the dark in damp/foggy weather.

https://soundphysics.ius.edu/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/amfmionosphere.jpg

AM bounces off the ionosphere. Not line-of-sight. FM is line-of-sight.

:)

[Dogman]

https://soundphysics.ius.edu/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/amfmionosphere.jpg

AM bounces off the ionosphere. Not line-of-sight.

:)Yes it bounces and also can somewhat follow the curve of the earth, the higher the frequency in megahertz the more straight line the travels but also the less able it is to "skip" off the atmosphere..

Am and Hf can skip, better at night, VHF/UHF and higher frequency's normally can not skip, unless the atmosphere is just right. (Inversions,tunneling and such)

[crimethink]

I have picked up am stations from both Denver and Atlanta in central IL in a vehicle. Both in the dark in damp/foggy weather.

I have picked up AM stations from Caspar, WY & Colorado in California. That's because of an AM skywave phenomenon, not because of line-of-sight.

[Dogman]

I have picked up AM stations from Caspar, WY & Colorado in California. That's because of an AM skywave phenomenon, not because of line-of-sight.
More than likely what you picked up were one or some of the "Clear Channel" AM stations.

Here back in the day, KLIF, Dallas, WWL, New Orleans and WLS, Chicago, were it and ruled at night when the skip lengthened.

[crimethink]

More than likely what you picked up were one or some of the "Clear Channel" AM stations.

Here back in the day, KLIF, Dallas, WWL, New Orleans and WLS, Chicago, were it and ruled at night when the skip lengthened.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KTWO_(AM)

[mamboni]

This is well worth a listen. Flat earth........spiritual awakening...........supreme being

Flat Earth is the Most Important Truth



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Wznf3k57fA

[crimethink]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5NA3CO5PdM

[Neuro]

Greece viewed from Turkey today...
http://s.pictub.club/2016/10/30/rmnJY.jpg

Look at the horizon line...

Why is there no water visible between the smaller Island which is apparently much closer than the larger Island (Kos) behind it? It would not be possible if Earth was flat, to have both Islands sharing the same horizon line...

[Jewboo]

Greece viewed from Turkey today...
http://s.pictub.club/2016/10/30/rmnJY.jpg

Look at the horizon line...

Why is there no water visible between the smaller Island which is apparently much closer than the larger Island (Kos) behind it? It would not be possible if Earth was flat, to have both Islands sharing the same horizon line...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S4oT2EbDONs

ZOOM IN and water will be visible.

;D you still massaging hairy kebab ass in Turkey?

[mamboni]

Greece viewed from Turkey today...
http://s.pictub.club/2016/10/30/rmnJY.jpg

Look at the horizon line...

Why is there no water visible between the smaller Island which is apparently much closer than the larger Island (Kos) behind it? It would not be possible if Earth was flat, to have both Islands sharing the same horizon line...Well, in order to analyze what we see in the photo, we would need the distances to and elevations of the respective islands. Do you have these data?

[Jewboo]

Well, in order to analyze what we see in the photo, we would need the distances to and elevations of the respective islands. Do you have these data?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S4oT2EbDONs

This specific video provides both distance and elevations. Neuro needs to explain why in this video the 8 inch per mile declination isn't happening. It's the only confusion I still have in this insane flat-earth thread.

Why no 8 inch per mile declination in this specific video Neuro?



:(?? Neuro?

[Neuro]

Well, in order to analyze what we see in the photo, we would need the distances to and elevations of the respective islands. Do you have these data?

http://s.pictub.club/2016/10/30/rEJWx.png
I was in Gümüslük today and according to scale the distance to Pserimos should be around 7 miles. The distance to Kos should be 10-13 miles depending on the side of the Island you are looking at. Kalymnos is the Island visible to the right.

What exactly does the elevation of the Islands have to do with the fact you can't see the bottom?

I was taking the photo from my sun chair approximately 3.5 feel elevation from sea level.

[Jewboo]

...fact you can't see the bottom?

I was taking the photo from my sun chair approximately 3.5 feel elevation from sea level.



http://ornithology.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/kid.jpg
Oh. There is the bottom.


:rolleyes:

[osoab]

I was in Gümüslük today and according to scale the distance to Pserimos should be around 7 miles. The distance to Kos should be 10-13 miles depending on the side of the Island you are looking at. Kalymnos is the Island visible to the right.

What exactly does the elevation of the Islands have to do with the fact you can't see the bottom?

I was taking the photo from my sun chair approximately 3.5 feel elevation from sea level.

I don't mean to be a dick, but are you sure you are seeing Kos? Looks to me that maybe Pserimos is the big island and that little nub is this little guy when you zoom in on google earth?
Depending on which resort, I think you were in the South one. The center outcropping is to your right. That little unnamed island is about 4 miles away. The peak of Pserimos would be 8.45 miles away.
Here is google earth for the little island. https://www.google.com/maps/@37.0064526,27.1789369,1975m/data=!3m1!1e3

Pserimos is 65.6' in elevation. The top height for Kos is 2,760' in elevation. Those perspectives don't work.

Is Pserimos the big island in the background?

You were at Club Gumusluk

https://www.google.com/maps/@37.0533805,27.2357133,3a,28.3y,226.9h,89.49t/data=!3m8!1e1!3m6!1s-w2ezG9E0Rl8%2FWBA6AvsZIxI%2FAAAAAAAAngw%2FJv_XDzVA SfEwdRkbpNONIuwseN51bxclwCLIB!2e4!3e11!6s%2F%2Flh4 .googleusercontent.com%2F-w2ezG9E0Rl8%2FWBA6AvsZIxI%2FAAAAAAAAngw%2FJv_XDzVA SfEwdRkbpNONIuwseN51bxclwCLIB%2Fw203-h100-k-no-pi-3.3039918-ya348.26453-ro1.1498451-fo100%2F!7i5376!8i2688

[Neuro]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S4oT2EbDONs

This specific video provides both distance and elevations. Neuro needs to explain why in this video the 8 inch per mile declination isn't happening. It's the only confusion I still have in this insane flat-earth thread.

Why no 8 inch per mile declination in this specific video Neuro?



:(?? Neuro?

Looking into the geography of Santa Barbara, I would say that video is probably fake.

http://s.pictub.club/2016/10/30/rSbFq.png

[Neuro]

I don't mean to be a dick, but are you sure you are seeing Kos? Looks to me that maybe Pserimos is the big island and that little nub is this little guy when you zoom in on google earth?
Depending on which resort, I think you were in the South one. The center outcropping is to your right. That little unnamed island is about 4 miles away. The peak of Pserimos would be 8.45 miles away.
Here is google earth for the little island. https://www.google.com/maps/@37.0064526,27.1789369,1975m/data=!3m1!1e3

Pserimos is 65.6' in elevation. The top height for Kos is 2,760' in elevation. Those perspectives don't work.

Is Pserimos the big island in the background?

You were at Club Gumusluk

https://www.google.com/maps/@37.0533805,27.2357133,3a,28.3y,226.9h,89.49t/data=!3m8!1e1!3m6!1s-w2ezG9E0Rl8%2FWBA6AvsZIxI%2FAAAAAAAAngw%2FJv_XDzVA SfEwdRkbpNONIuwseN51bxclwCLIB!2e4!3e11!6s%2F%2Flh4 .googleusercontent.com%2F-w2ezG9E0Rl8%2FWBA6AvsZIxI%2FAAAAAAAAngw%2FJv_XDzVA SfEwdRkbpNONIuwseN51bxclwCLIB%2Fw203-h100-k-no-pi-3.3039918-ya348.26453-ro1.1498451-fo100%2F!7i5376!8i2688

I considered that, but probably that Island wouldn't be visible from my point. The highest point of Kos in the southernmost part of the Island wouldn't be visible either on my photo. Good research though. However even if I am wrong and you are correct the fact is that the coast line is the same for the Island in front as the one behind, suggesting you don't see the actual coast line, but the horizon line. Which really is proof that earth is curved!

[Jewboo]

I was in Gümüslük today and according to scale the distance to Pserimos should be around 7 miles. The distance to Kos should be 10-13 miles depending on the side of the Island you are looking at.



http://www.cascadilla.com/eyecharts/blurring/images/sample-small-blurring.jpg

According to Mamboni's secret equation the curvature declination of Earth is 6.67 feet at ten miles. You can't see a 6'7" tall man standing on Pserimos let alone Kos with your naked eye or your non-zoom camera.

:rolleyes: use a telescope and do it again


Silly sailors risking their lives climbing up in the mast lookout, when they could have stayed at deck and seen as far...


https://www.repository.cam.ac.uk/bitstream/handle/1810/197557/LS99_3_007.jpeg?sequence=1&isAllowed=y http://physics.wku.edu/olympics/images/2007-pirates-event1.jpg

Notice the telescopes?

[Neuro]

I considered that, but probably that Island wouldn't be visible from my point. The highest point of Kos in the southernmost part of the Island wouldn't be visible either on my photo. Good research though. However even if I am wrong and you are correct the fact is that the coast line is the same for the Island in front as the one behind, suggesting you don't see the actual coast line, but the horizon line. Which really is proof that earth is curved!

Actually after looking into one of your links, yes you are probably correct Osoab, I was considering a bigger island to the left which would not be visible, the map I looked at this tiny island wasn't even visible. The thing is since this island is probably only 4 miles away it would probably show a difference at a higher altitude of photography, and thus prove that earth is curved. I'll go and take a photo tomorrow from a higher altitude!

[Neuro]

http://www.cascadilla.com/eyecharts/blurring/images/sample-small-blurring.jpg

According to Mamboni's secret equation the curvature declination of Earth is 6.67 feet at ten miles. You can't see a 6'7" tall man standing on Pserimos let alone Kos with your naked eye or your non-zoom camera.

:rolleyes: use a telescope and do it again



https://www.repository.cam.ac.uk/bitstream/handle/1810/197557/LS99_3_007.jpeg?sequence=1&isAllowed=y http://physics.wku.edu/olympics/images/2007-pirates-event1.jpg

Notice the telescopes?



Why don't you just look at the coast line of both islands, do they look straight, do they look like they are equal in height? Yes they do, which means you are not looking at the ragged coastline of the islands at all, but the part of the islands that are above the horizon line, which is at the same height no matter if it is open ocean a far away Island visible, or an island only 4 miles away.

[Jewboo]

Why don't you just look at the coast line of both islands, do they look straight, do they look like they are equal in height? Yes they do, which means you are not looking at the ragged coastline of the islands at all, but the part of the islands that are above the horizon line, which is at the same height no matter if it is open ocean a far away Island visible, or an island only 4 miles away.

Please take my point seriously. At ten miles the curvature drop is 6.7 feet according to Mamboni's secret equation. Nobody can see a 6'7" man standing on a beach at sea level ten miles away with 20-20 vision. You need a ZOOM camera to try and "prove" anything at ten miles.

Go back and watch that ZOOM video again...you dismissed it as probably being a fraud.

Me and Dogman earlier in this thread eventually realized that even a laser can't prove the 8" Earth curvature drop at only one mile.

I now don't think any convincing measurement "proof" from the surface of Earth is possible.

:(?? zoom camera or you are wasting our time

[Neuro]

Please take my point seriously. At ten miles the curvature drop is 6.7 feet according to Mamboni's secret equation. Nobody can see a 6'7" man standing on a beach at sea level ten miles away with 20-20 vision. You need a ZOOM camera to try and "prove" anything at ten miles.

Go back and watch that ZOOM video again...you dismissed it as probably being a fraud.

Me and Dogman earlier in this thread eventually realized that even a laser can't prove the 8" Earth curvature drop at only one mile.

I now don't think any convincing measurement "proof" from the surface of Earth is possible.

:(?? zoom camera or you are wasting our time




Just like gravity is keeping you at Earth, whether you believe in it or not. The equal horizon line at islands at islands obviously at different distances or without any Islands visible at all proves that earth is curved where I observed it. The islands the video you posted claimed to exist outside Santa Barbara doesn't seem to exist according to Google map according to configuration. I have no way of confirming either if the video is correct or not nor if google map is correct. Sure there is another possibility that the earth is flat around Santa Barbara, but not around southwest Turkey/Greece, but I think that is very implausible

[Jewboo]

Just like gravity is keeping you at Earth, whether you believe in it or not. The equal horizon line at islands at islands obviously at different distances or without any Islands visible at all proves that earth is curved where I observed it. The islands the video you posted claimed to exist outside Santa Barbara doesn't seem to exist according to Google map according to configuration. I have no way of confirming either if the video is correct or not nor if google map is correct. Sure there is another possibility that the earth is flat around Santa Barbara, but not around southwest Turkey/Greece, but I think that is very implausible

https://magicoftheordinary.files.wordpress.com/2011/10/flat-earth-sign.jpg

We both agree that Earth is not flat. Like I already said, proving the curvature of Earth from the surface appears to be impossible. Does a perfectly flat one-mile surface actually even exist on Earth that can convincingly prove Mamboni's curvature 8" drop? A perfectly flat ten-mile water surface obviously does not exist anywhere. That Zoom video even mentioned the choppy 5-foot Swell while filming.

The only logical proof is from atmospheric/space cameras and the Flat-Earthers all dismiss them as NASA Fakes. Even our Doctor Mamboni is dismissing all proof from atmospheric/space cameras.

(:;) this thread is insanity

[mamboni]

Please take my point seriously. At ten miles the curvature drop is 6.7 feet according to Mamboni's secret equation. Nobody can see a 6'7" man standing on a beach at sea level ten miles away with 20-20 vision. You need a ZOOM camera to try and "prove" anything at ten miles.

Go back and watch that ZOOM video again...you dismissed it as probably being a fraud.

Me and Dogman earlier in this thread eventually realized that even a laser can't prove the 8" Earth curvature drop at only one mile.

I now don't think any convincing measurement "proof" from the surface of Earth is possible.

:(?? zoom camera or you are wasting our time


The declination at 10 miles is 66.667 feet, not 6.67 feet.

[Dogman]

We both agree that Earth is not flat. Like I already said, proving the curvature of Earth from the surface appears to be impossible. Does a perfectly flat one-mile surface actually even exist on Earth that can convincingly prove Mamboni's curvature 8" drop?

(:;) this thread is insanity

(Totally agree ! On the insanity !)

Bonneville salt flats and a theodolite ! Or any suitable salt flat long enough !

AK, the transit !

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theodolite

Would solve the problem !

;D

Sent from my Nexus 7 using Forum runner

[mamboni]

https://magicoftheordinary.files.wordpress.com/2011/10/flat-earth-sign.jpg

We both agree that Earth is not flat. Like I already said, proving the curvature of Earth from the surface appears to be impossible. Does a perfectly flat one-mile surface actually even exist on Earth that can convincingly prove Mamboni's curvature 8" drop? A perfectly flat ten-mile water surface obviously does not exist anywhere. That Zoom video even mentioned the choppy 5-foot Swell while filming.

The only logical proof is from atmospheric/space cameras and the Flat-Earthers all dismiss them as NASA Fakes. Even our Doctor Mamboni is dismissing all proof from atmospheric/space cameras.

(:;) this thread is insanity



So you're saying "well of course the earth is a globe" but we can't measure any curvature anywhere we have tried. Rather the earth "measures" flat. It follows that clearly the earth is so large that our tools are not precise enough to detect it, let alone measure it.

"It" being curvature, must be there, because the earth is a sphere. Can you prove that the earth is a sphere? All of the hard evidence so far have exhibited a perfectly flat plane earth. Where's your evidence of a globe earth?

[Jewboo]

The declination at 10 miles is 66.667 feet, not 6.67 feet.

http://trekity.com/wp-content/uploads/article/images/article-958/thumbnails/6208371177_acd6350dc1_z.jpg

Ok. You yourself said that the declination for one mile is eight inches. Even Dogman was discussing eight inch per mile in previous posts above.


1) Walk one mile in this photo and decline eight inches.

2) Walk a second mile and decline another eight inches.

3) Do that for a total of ten miles and you declined ten times eight inches = eighty inches total declination.


Isn't eighty inches approximately 6.7 feet?

:)



Maybe not so much you, but more to the table book posted, the figures are off by a factor of 10, as I have posted above and across several posts.

I stand by my numbers. Peace..

[Jewboo]

So you're saying "well of course the earth is a globe" but we can't measure any curvature anywhere we have tried. Rather the earth "measures" flat. It follows that clearly the earth is so large that our tools are not precise enough to detect it, let alone measure it.

"It" being curvature, must be there, because the earth is a sphere. Can you prove that the earth is a sphere? All of the hard evidence so far have exhibited a perfectly flat plane earth. Where's your evidence of a globe earth?



http://trekity.com/wp-content/uploads/article/images/article-958/thumbnails/6208371177_acd6350dc1_z.jpg

On your flat Earth it must be easy for Mamboni to post a video of any man standing ten miles away using a common zoom lense. Must be hundreds of these ten-mile zoom videos on the internet proving your flat Earth.

Post just one Mamboni.

:) one

[Dogman]

On your flat Earth it must be easy for Mamboni to post a video of any man standing ten miles away using a common zoom lense. Must be hundreds of these ten-mile zoom videos on the internet proving your flat Earth.

Post just one Mamboni. :)

Think you have the Doc treed !

8629

LMAO !

;D

[mamboni]

http://trekity.com/wp-content/uploads/article/images/article-958/thumbnails/6208371177_acd6350dc1_z.jpg

Ok. You yourself said that the declination for one mile is eight inches. Even Dogman was discussing eight inch per mile in previous posts above.


1) Walk one mile in this photo and decline eight inches.

2) Walk a second mile and decline another eight inches.

3) Do that for a total of ten miles and you declined ten times eight inches = eighty inches total declination.


Isn't eighty inches approximately 6.7 feet?

:)8 inchs declination per mile is an incline, not a curve. With a sphere, the rate of declination increases with distance. For example, while in 1 mile the declination should be 8 inchs, go out one more mile from there and the declination is now 32 inchs. Go out one more mile from there and the declination is now 72 inchs. Another mile and suddenly it's 192 inchs down. This is why line of sight observations over 30, 40 and even 120 miles are so important; because at 120 miles the declination of the globe earth is 1.8 miles. And that should be readily detectable - but it is not! Ergo.....

[Glass]

I call it as I see it.

Shall I call you a WAAAmbulance?




If one goes to the South Pole, and there is no wall, it doesn't matter.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4V5PYO9wWw




Ah, so you get your panties in a bunch because I said your idea was imbecilic, yet you have no problem trashing a guy who did more then either of us.




Why are you promoting the United Nations conspiracy of a flat Earth? :(??

https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-oZEX3cJO6RM/VYHprMcbLMI/AAAAAAAAAM0/z01dNUj06Wc/s1600/UNFlag33.jpg

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-A7SuYYWkOFI/VnSb0YPWKhI/AAAAAAAACQw/ULGZkzqm3d8/s1600/Flat%2BEarth%2Band%2BUnited%2BNations%2BMap.png

What is sad is watching you continually arguing with your imagination. You imagine someone says or claims something and then argue about it. Of course you do this because you were wrong on point and are too immature to accept that.

I never said anything about the ice wall in the post you responded to. Again you introduce things not there and try and argue on those instead of the things that were said.

Claiming Fiennes did more than me and should be not be criticized is a very poor circular response because the question and the whole of the question is, is he a fraud. If he is a fraud then he did nothing more than me. Or did he? Take peoples money and praise under false pretences. I think he did and I said so. Have a cry.

As for the South Pole. Whats to confirm they are there? Some flags?

Why when they run web cams on the pole do they stop them after about 18 or so hours? All of them cut at the same time and restart some hours later. Seems very odd behaviour


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Mdg5k-WBFw

From post #266

s
Re: Flat Earthers Won't Go Away

I watched this a few days ago. Makes some good points about Antarctica.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Mdg5k-WBFw

The claim is that you get 24 hour sun at Antarctica at least part of the year. I would assume this is during the southern hemisphere summer. Days here are about 3 hours longer in summer. I know from experience in north europe the sun is still up around 10:00 - 10:30 pm (maybe later) then up again at around 3:30am. So further south it's reasonable you would get almost all daylight

There are web cams at the Antarctic but none of them run 24/7.
It is not that it's dark for part of the day.
What happens is that all of the footage is clipped to the same time period each day.
Each and every day they cut the camera or cut the footage.
The footage usually shows things like flags or small snow piles etc that you can see the far side of
If the earth is round, the shadows would go in a full circle.
But they only show about 3/4 of the day
So the shadows go mostly around then the footage cuts
If the earth was flat, the shadows would shorten and go back the way they came without making a full circle.
Why would they go to the effort of cutting the cameras or editing the film... all of it... all the time?

And finally .... perhaps not because your powers of comprehension are lacking... I have said I don't think the earth is flat. I think they are hiding something but it doesn't have to be a flat earth. It could be a much larger earth for all we know. This would answer some of the anomalies such as the apparently flat horizon, the mismatch between math and observation. I particularly buy into the flat horizon aspects either because on a sphere is is falling away in all directions at the same time, however the math doesn't seem to match the observation. Again the range of unassisted sight is not to the horizon which distorts perception in my opinion.

[Jewboo]

http://trekity.com/wp-content/uploads/article/images/article-958/thumbnails/6208371177_acd6350dc1_z.jpg

Ok. You yourself said that the declination for one mile is eight inches. Even Dogman was discussing eight inch per mile in previous posts above.


1) Walk one mile in this photo and decline eight inches.

2) Walk a second mile and decline another eight inches.

3) Do that for a total of ten miles and you declined ten times eight inches = eighty inches total declination.


Isn't eighty inches approximately 6.7 feet?

:)



Maybe not so much you, but more to the table book posted, the figures are off by a factor of 10, as I have posted above and across several posts. I stand by my numbers. Peace..



Simple math: 10 x 8 inches = 80 inches not 67 feet. HINT: Keep looking at the photo while pondering Mamboni. The second mile declination is obviously exactly the same 8" as the first mile and so on...

:)


... For example, while in 1 mile the declination should be 8 inchs, go out one more mile from there and the declination is now 32 inchs. Go out one more mile from there and the declination is now 72 inchs...

[Neuro]

http://trekity.com/wp-content/uploads/article/images/article-958/thumbnails/6208371177_acd6350dc1_z.jpg

On your flat Earth it must be easy for Mamboni to post a video of any man standing ten miles away using a common zoom lense. Must be hundreds of these ten-mile zoom videos on the internet proving your flat Earth.

Post just one Mamboni.

:) one


Amazing how at that salt plain the mountains all start coming up in a straight line, what a weird coincidence, just like the photo of the islands I posted...

[Jewboo]

http://www.newretailblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/Flatearth1.jpg


GOOGLE EDGE OF EARTH VIDEOS (https://www.google.com/search?q=edge+of+earth&biw=1536&bih=743&tbm=vid&source=lnms&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi49LjxlYLQAhUI9GMKHWA6CAAQ_AUIBygC&dpr=1.25#tbm=vid&q=edge+of+earth+video)

Ok Mamboni. There are over a hundred Flat Earth websites on the internet and over a hundred Youtube videos promoting Flat Earth. You yourself in this thread have posted a few of these Flat Earth promotion videos.

Click on the Youtube link above and post just one video of some guy with his GoPro camera looking over the EDGE of your Flat Earth. Better yet, a video of some guy flying his cheap hobby GoPro camera drone over the EDGE of your Flat Earth.

http://www.topdronesforsale.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/GOPRO-drone-696x464.jpg
Maybe you and Mamboni Junior already filmed yourselves at the EDGE ?



http://www.roughingafterthewhistle.com/images/smilies/popcorn.gifjust one single EDGE OF EARTH video. one

[Neuro]

Greece viewed from Turkey today...
http://s.pictub.club/2016/10/30/rmnJY.jpg

Look at the horizon line...

Why is there no water visible between the smaller Island which is apparently much closer than the larger Island (Kos) behind it? It would not be possible if Earth was flat, to have both Islands sharing the same horizon line...

Sorry I am trying to upload the photos I took today, but so far without success.

[Jewboo]

http://www.newretailblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/Flatearth1.jpg


GOOGLE EDGE OF EARTH VIDEOS (https://www.google.com/search?q=edge+of+earth&biw=1536&bih=743&tbm=vid&source=lnms&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi49LjxlYLQAhUI9GMKHWA6CAAQ_AUIBygC&dpr=1.25#tbm=vid&q=edge+of+earth+video)

Ok Mamboni. There are over a hundred Flat Earth websites on the internet and over a hundred Youtube videos promoting Flat Earth. You yourself in this thread have posted a few of these Flat Earth promotion videos.

Click on the Youtube link above and post just one video of some guy with his GoPro camera looking over the EDGE of your Flat Earth. Better yet, a video of some guy flying his cheap hobby GoPro camera drone over the EDGE of your Flat Earth.

http://www.topdronesforsale.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/GOPRO-drone-696x464.jpg
Maybe you and Mamboni Junior already filmed yourselves at the EDGE ?

http://www.roughingafterthewhistle.com/images/smilies/popcorn.gifjust one single EDGE OF EARTH video. one


Bump for Mamboni. After surfing Youtube for over an hour it is apparent that every Flat Earther totally loses their shit trying to produce believable visual evidence of the EDGE of their Flat Earth. It doesn't exist.