Flat Earthers Won't Go Away

[mamboni]

You are missing the point. The hallmark of masonry is to mix lies with the truth. I can guarantee you 100% that Dubay is either deceived (unlikely), or an intentional deceiver/shill (much more likely). Guys like this are poison. Even repping the guy hurts your own credibility. He is not who he says he is!

This guy is a shill? A masonic double agent? How do you know all this? Where is Dubay deceiving anyone? Please show specifics.

[dys]

This guy is a shill? A masonic double agent? How do you know all this? Where is Dubay deceiving anyone? Please show specifics.

I may need a day or 2 to get back to you but I will....crazy busy these days.

[mamboni]

Why and how does sun's light have a 'limited range'? Sure in terms of atmosphere I can see it blocking it out over a long distance, but not in vacum...Certainly the light will travel much further in a vacuum. A high altitude weather balloon with camera at say 20 miles is in a partial vacuum. If such a balloon could be maintained aloft for several hours, I believe we would see the sun circling just above the clouds. Also, we should be able to see the sun moving away from us as it converged on the cloud horizon thousands of miles away.The sun would appear to merge with the sky; but this is the optical illusion of the vanishing point. It would not disappear however.

[Neuro]

Certainly the light will travel much further in a vacuum. A high altitude weather balloon with camera at say 20 miles is in a partial vacuum. If such a balloon could be maintained aloft for several hours, I believe we would see the sun circling just above the clouds. Also, we should be able to see the sun moving away from us as it converged on the cloud horizon thousands of miles away.The sun would appear to merge with the sky; but this is the optical illusion of the vanishing point. It would not disappear however.

How would the sun disappear on the cloud horizon several thousand miles away, when the cloud horizon is at 6 miles altitude tops and the balloon with the camera is at 20 miles altitude a over the flat earth. At this altitude the sun could not possibly converge with the cloud horizon, unless the earth has at least a small curvature

[mamboni]

How would the sun disappear on the cloud horizon several thousand miles away, when the cloud horizon is at 6 miles altitude tops and the balloon with the camera is at 20 miles altitude a over the flat earth. At this altitude the sun could not possibly converge with the cloud horizon, unless the earth has at least a small curvatureNo, you are not realizing perspective. Imagine the sun hovering over the clouds at a distance of 10,000 miles. The sun and clouds will be visable as a point of light with some diffusion only - at that distance the sun and clouds and horizon will be converged at the vanishing point. Your vision cannot resolve the distances of a few miles separating the sun from the clouds from the ground when viewed from thousands of miles away.

The curvature in this photo is an artifact caused by the go-pro fish eye lens. The horizon is flat as a ruler.

http://blogs-images.forbes.com/alexknapp/files/2014/12/WV-Sunrise-2.png

[Neuro]

No, you are not realizing perspective. Imagine the sun hovering over the clouds at a distance of 10,000 miles. The sun and clouds will be visable as a point of light with some diffusion only - at that distance the sun and clouds and horizon will be converged at the vanishing point. Your vision cannot resolve the distances of a few miles separating the sun from the clouds from the ground when viewed from thousands of miles away.

Are you saying the sun is only a few miles above the clouds? When you said that the sun was lower than 3000 miles above earth, I thought you meant at least a few hundred miles above the flat earth, No? Even if so and the sun is only at 20 miles altitude, there is nothing blocking it's view from a balloon at 20 miles altitude, it should still be bright even if the sun is at 10,000 miles distance at 'midnight'. How could it otherwise provide light at dawn or dusk at 5000 miles distance when it has to penetrate cloud cover and several miles of ground level atmosphere?

[mamboni]

Are you saying the sun is only a few miles above the clouds? When you said that the sun was lower than 3000 miles above earth, I thought you meant at least a few hundred miles above the flat earth, No? Even if so and the sun is only at 20 miles altitude, there is nothing blocking it's view from a balloon at 20 miles altitude, it should still be bright even if the sun is at 10,000 miles distance at 'midnight'. How could it otherwise provide light at dawn or dusk at 5000 miles distance when it has to penetrate cloud cover and several miles of ground level atmosphere?Judging from the high altitude photos, the sun is at minimum several hundred miles high. Measurements using a sextant have estimated the sun's altitude as much as 3,100 miles.
http://www.sunsurveyor.com/images/testimonial-large/testimonial-2.jpg

[Neuro]

Judging from the high altitude photos, the sun is at minimum several hundred miles high. Measurements using a sextant have estimated the sun's altitude as much as 3,100 miles.
http://www.sunsurveyor.com/images/testimonial-large/testimonial-2.jpg

So at the lowest the sun would be at least a hundred mile above the cloud horizon, would you agree then if you are observing it at midnight aproximately 10,000 miles away 20 miles above earth that there realistically shouldn't be anything obstructing its view, atmosphere in between is very thin, no clouds at this altitude. Thus it should be visible?

[mamboni]

So at the lowest the sun would be at least a hundred mile above the cloud horizon, would you agree then if you are observing it at midnight aproximately 10,000 miles away 20 miles above earth that there realistically shouldn't be anything obstructing its view, atmosphere in between is very thin, no clouds at this altitude. Thus it should be visible?Yes, I think so.

[mamboni]

Quoting Reverend Thomas Milner’s “Atlas of PhysicalGeography,” we find that, “Vast areas exhibit a perfectlydead level, scarcely a rise existing through 1,500 miles fromthe Carpathians to the Urals. South of the Baltic thecountry is so flat that a prevailing north wind will drive thewaters of the Stattiner Haf into the mouth of the Oder, andgive the river a backward flow 30 or 40 miles. The plains ofVenezuela and New Granada, in South America chiefly onthe left of the Orinoco, are termed Ilanos, or level fields.Often in the space of 270 square miles the surface does notvary a single foot. The Amazon only falls 12 feet in the last700 miles of its course; the La Plata has only a descent ofone thirty-third of an inch a mile.”

[Jewboo]

NASA astronaut Shane Kimbrough is off the planet at the moment, but he still had his say in this year's presidential election.

Kimbrough, commander of the current Expedition 50 aboard the International Space Station (ISS), was able to vote from orbit thanks to procedures put in place by Texas legislators in 1997. (Most NASA astronauts live in the Lone Star State; Johnson Space Center, the hub of NASA's human spaceflight program, is in Houston.) [Watch: How Astronauts Vote from Space (http://www.space.com/34639-voting-from-space-nasa-astronaut-explains-from-iss-video.html)]

The "voting process starts a year before launch, when astronauts are able to select which elections (local/state/federal) that they want to participate in while in space," NASA officials wrote in a Tumblr post (http://nasa.tumblr.com/post/152733055774/vote-while-you-float-an-astronaut-voting-story) recently. "Then, six months before the election, astronauts are provided with a standard form: the 'Voter Registration and Absentee Ballot Request — Federal Post Card Application.'"

When astronauts get their absentee ballots, their address is listed as "low-Earth orbit," said Kate Rubins, who wrapped up a nearly four-month stint aboard the space station late last month.

:)

[Neuro]

Quoting Reverend Thomas Milner’s “Atlas of PhysicalGeography,” we find that, “Vast areas exhibit a perfectlydead level, scarcely a rise existing through 1,500 miles fromthe Carpathians to the Urals. South of the Baltic thecountry is so flat that a prevailing north wind will drive thewaters of the Stattiner Haf into the mouth of the Oder, andgive the river a backward flow 30 or 40 miles. The plains ofVenezuela and New Granada, in South America chiefly onthe left of the Orinoco, are termed Ilanos, or level fields.Often in the space of 270 square miles the surface does notvary a single foot. The Amazon only falls 12 feet in the last700 miles of its course; the La Plata has only a descent ofone thirty-third of an inch a mile.”
Are those measurements in relation to a supposed flat earth or in relation to a globe earth?

[mamboni]

Are those measurements in relation to a supposed flat earth or in relation to a globe earth?These are actual direct measurements of the real earth, the one we are standing on.

[mamboni]

http://whotfetw.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/Flat-Earth-Memes-88-9.jpg

[mamboni]

http://whotfetw.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/Flat-Earth-Memes-88-13.jpg

[mamboni]

https://ronmamita.files.wordpress.com/2015/11/2-nasa-in-hebrew-means-to-deceive-greatly.png?w=605&h=440
https://planetruthblog.files.wordpress.com/2016/03/flat-earth-memes-74-17.jpg

[mamboni]

https://kendoc911.files.wordpress.com/2015/12/flatearth11.jpg

[Neuro]

These are actual direct measurements of the real earth, the one we are standing on.

So on the supposedly globe earth if you have one measure point exactly at sea level at two points 1 mile from each other, would you say that one point was 8 inches lower than the other, or would you say they were equal? If you say one of them is 8 inches lower than the other which point would you choose? Surely they couldn't both be lower than the other?

In the flat earth case you don't have this issue no matter if you measure it according to sea level or spatial orientation.

So the question is were these specific cases measured in relation to sea level or spatial orientation. It makes a ton of difference to your case.

[Neuro]

http://whotfetw.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/Flat-Earth-Memes-88-13.jpg

Actually the moon doesn't face us the same direction. It always faces the sun the same way. The dark side of the moon faces us when there is a new moon. Especially when there is a solar eclipse.

The dark side of the moon is called so because it doesn't get illuminated by sun light, but because it is dark you can't see it when it faces us, especially since the dark side of the moon is directed towards us in day time.

[Neuro]

https://kendoc911.files.wordpress.com/2015/12/flatearth11.jpg

Can you direct us to the link that "Mars" pic was taken from? If from NASA it is proof positive that they didn't go to Mars at all...

Actually looking at it closely, it is clear that it is exactly the same photo someone distorted the colors of. If NASA did it why would they use someone else's photo, who somehow discovered it when looking through NASA Mars photos and reported it to the flat earthers. Or was it a whistle blower at NASA that reported it to the flat earthers?

Both explanations sound a bit out there. Maybe it was a "flat earth" enthusiast that in his fevor to promote flat earthism took a regular earth photo from the Internet and photoshopped it Mars orange? That sounds more likely, no? Prove me wrong by posting the NASA link Mamboni

[Neuro]

https://ronmamita.files.wordpress.com/2015/11/2-nasa-in-hebrew-means-to-deceive-greatly.png?w=605&h=440
https://planetruthblog.files.wordpress.com/2016/03/flat-earth-memes-74-17.jpg

Please Mamboni don't go Goldissima on us...

[Jewboo]

Please Mamboni don't go Goldissima on us...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QDJzjomSN94

Watch all the stars rotating in the night sky over the SOUTH POLE.

Mamboni won't even address this. Refuses to watch this. Refuses to acknowledge this:

http://irollie.co/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/gTTb1nh1-300x300.jpeg <-- Mamboni
"There is no SOUTH pole guys

[mamboni]

So on the supposedly globe earth if you have one measure point exactly at sea level at two points 1 mile from each other, would you say that one point was 8 inches lower than the other, or would you say they were equal? If you say one of them is 8 inches lower than the other which point would you choose? Surely they couldn't both be lower than the other?

In the flat earth case you don't have this issue no matter if you measure it according to sea level or spatial orientation.

So the question is were these specific cases measured in relation to sea level or spatial orientation. It makes a ton of difference to your case.You're confused and I'm fatigued by this idiocy. You should go work for NASA - they're experts at coming up with overly complex (and incorrect) explanations for natural phenomena.

The earth is flat and does not move. It saddens to see such mental paralysis secondary to decades of indoctrination with false knowledge. If you care to, research the matter yourself. I am completely satisfied that the flat earth is a PROVEN fact. Alternatively, please take note, no one has ever provided any evidence for the earth's movement and no one has ever demonstrated earth curvature.

So I have to ask you, why do you believe in this absurd model where the earth is a globe that spins at 1,000 mph and rotates the sun at 66,000 mph? I am very discouraged by the lack of discernment and critical thinking. For example, NASA says that interstellar space is a vacuum, an open system. It is thermodynamically impossible for a vaccuum to exist as an open system. This is because a vacuum cannot exist in physical continuity with non-vacuum. So you believe that earth atmosphere coexists next to the vacuum of "outer space" and 'gravity' is stronger than the pull of a vacuum? I worked with vacuums in the lab and the notion of an earth sphere floating in a vacuum and still retaining it's comparatively paper thin atmosphere is ludicrous. The ball earth model is physically, thermodynamically and empirically impossible.

[Neuro]

You're confused and I'm fatigued by this idiocy. You should go work for NASA - they're experts at coming up with overly complex (and incorrect) explanations for natural phenomena.

The earth is flat and does not move. It saddens to see such mental paralysis secondary to decades of indoctrination with false knowledge. If you care to, research the matter yourself. I am completely satisfied that the flat earth is a PROVEN fact. Alternatively, please take note, no one has ever provided any evidence for the earth's movement and no one has ever demonstrated earth curvature.

So I have to ask you, why do you believe in this absurd model where the earth is a globe that spins at 1,000 mph and rotates the sun at 66,000 mph? I am very discouraged by the lack of discernment and critical thinking. For example, NASA says that interstellar space is a vacuum, an open system. It is thermodynamically impossible for a vaccuum to exist as an open system. This is because a vacuum cannot exist in physical continuity with non-vacuum. So you believe that earth atmosphere coexists next to the vacuum of "outer space" and 'gravity' is stronger than the pull of a vacuum? I worked with vacuums in the lab and the notion of an earth sphere floating in a vacuum and still retaining it's comparatively paper thin atmosphere is ludicrous. The ball earth model is physically, thermodynamically and empirically impossible.
Well you yourself has admitted there is practically a vacuum 20 miles up from earths surface, well within the "firmament".

What creates and maintains this pressure gradient? You have ruled out Gravity. You ruled out my theory of centripetal force where the flat earth rotates around the top part of the firmament, around the altitude of the geostationary satellites. In fact you have nothing to explain the lack of air at 20 miles altitude above earth.

Sure you are fatigued, apparently oxygen fails to reach your brain. Come back to Earth Mamboni.

Btw I didn't provide explanations. I asked you what you meant.

[mamboni]

Well you yourself has admitted there is practically a vacuum 20 miles up from earths surface, well within the "firmament".

What creates and maintains this pressure gradient? You have ruled out Gravity. You ruled out my theory of centripetal force where the flat earth rotates around the top part of the firmament, around the altitude of the geostationary satellites. In fact you have nothing to explain the lack of air at 20 miles altitude above earth.

Sure you are fatigued, apparently oxygen fails to reach your brain. Come back to Earth Mamboni.

Btw I didn't provide explanations. I asked you what you meant.An atmosphere contained within a firmament is a closed system. A gradient will form based on density. So a 'partial' vacuum exists at the top of the atmosphere. In fact, basic physical chemistry dictates the formation of a gradient based on relative density. Such a gradient would be impossible in a open system composed of a vacuum.

[mamboni]

Actually the moon doesn't face us the same direction. It always faces the sun the same way. The dark side of the moon faces us when there is a new moon. Especially when there is a solar eclipse.

The dark side of the moon is called so because it doesn't get illuminated by sun light, but because it is dark you can't see it when it faces us, especially since the dark side of the moon is directed towards us in day time.Wrong. We never "see" a dark side to the moon. The moon's face is always exactly the same, notwithstanding rotation [of the moon] when comparing northern from southern viewing. But while these viewers might be thousands of miles apart, they see the exact same moon face, suggesting that the moon isn't even a globe. Also, many "solar eclipses" have been reported where the sun and the moon were visable above the horizon simultaneously, making the moon casting a shadow explanation moot.

[Neuro]

An atmosphere contained within a firmament is a closed system. A gradient will form based on density. So a 'partial' vacuum exists at the top of the atmosphere. In fact, basic physical chemistry dictates the formation of a gradient based on relative density. Such a gradient would be impossible in a open system composed of a vacuum.

;D

Really? Based on density? ;D why?

[Neuro]

Wrong. We never "see" a dark side to the moon. The moon's face is always exactly the same, notwithstanding rotation [of the moon] when comparing northern from southern viewing. But while these viewers might be thousands of miles apart, they see the exact same moon face, suggesting that the moon isn't even a globe. Also, many "solar eclipses" have been reported where the sun and the moon were visable above the horizon simultaneously, making the moon casting a shadow explanation moot.
LMFAO! Why not post a pic?

[mamboni]

LMFAO! Why not post a pic?Why don't you post a picture of the globe earth, as in a real photography. Surely, with NASA claiming to have satellites hundreds of miles up, and the Hubble for that matter, they must have plenty of photographs (not CGI, paintings, composites, photos using a fisheye lens etc.) of the globe. Why don't you post just one and prove to everyone how wrong I am? I'll wait.

[mamboni]

;D

Really? Based on density? ;D why?Air molecules vary in atomic weight. The higher the atomic weight, the greater the tendency to move towards the earth. This effect is confounded by Brownian motion and local effects, such as UV-created O3 in the upper strata.

[Horn]

one thing is True, this thread title

[Neuro]

Why don't you post a picture of the globe earth, as in a real photography. Surely, with NASA claiming to have satellites hundreds of miles up, and the Hubble for that matter, they must have plenty of photographs (not CGI, paintings, composites, photos using a fisheye lens etc.) of the globe. Why don't you post just one and prove to everyone how wrong I am? I'll wait.

LOL, I don't think we have been far enough away to take such a picture, for other reasons. But you claimed evidence of several ecllipses

[mamboni]

LOL, I don't think we have been far enough away to take such a picture, for other reasons. But you claimed evidence of several ecllipsesWhat kind of excuse is this? Not far enough away to take a photo of globe earth? What, the moon isn't far enough to take a photo. NASA says they went to the moon several times: remember the Apollo missions? Not one photograph of the earth? Not one? No one thought to take a photograph of the earth from space? Is this what you're saying?

[osoab]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_pauQitNEM0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_pauQitNEM0

[Neuro]

What kind of excuse is this? Not far enough away to take a photo of globe earth? What, the moon isn't far enough to take a photo. NASA says they went to the moon several times: remember the Apollo missions? Not one photograph of the earth? Not one? No one thought to take a photograph of the earth from space? Is this what you're saying?
NASA being liars and conmen doesn't equate to the earth being flat. Where is the evidence of moon and sun being visible at different locations in the sky during an ecclipse?

[Neuro]

Air molecules vary in atomic weight. The higher the atomic weight, the greater the tendency to move towards the earth. This effect is confounded by Brownian motion and local effects, such as UV-created O3 in the upper strata.

Utter bullshit. It is gravity and you know it.

[mamboni]

Utter bullshit. It is gravity and you know it.No one has ever measured gravity. Gravity remains to this day a theory. Newton's equation F=ma has the measured acceleration of a falling object in vacuum as 9.8 m/sec2. So g is substituted for a, g being gravity. Poof: gravity! But wait. All of the behaviour of gravity can be explained by density/buoyancy alone (where only the product of mass times acceleration(g) is considered). For example, a bowling ball and a feather will fall to earth at the same rate in a vacuum, because both are infinitely more dense than a vacuum.

[mamboni]

NASA being liars and conmen doesn't equate to the earth being flat. Where is the evidence of moon and sun being visible at different locations in the sky during an ecclipse?Show me a photograph of the earth globe from space.

[Jewboo]

The moon's face is always exactly the same, notwithstanding rotation [of the moon] when comparing northern from southern viewing.



http://static.snopes.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/supermoon1.jpg

November Supermoon Will be the Biggest in 70 Years (http://www.natureworldnews.com/articles/31373/20161107/look-up-november-supermoon-will-biggest-70-years-when-where-watch.htm)


:rolleyes:

[Horn]

Air molecules vary in atomic weight. The higher the atomic weight, the greater the tendency to move towards the earth. This effect is confounded by Brownian motion and local effects, such as UV-created O3 in the upper strata.

mamboni, please stick to gold and feinsteins...

[mamboni]

mamboni, please stick to gold and feinsteins...Tell that to Avogadro.

[Horn]

Tell that to Avogadro.

Ofcourse who is he another Italian like Volta? :)

Copernicus weren't that far away from Rome....

[mamboni]

Ofcourse who is he another Italian like Volta? :)

Copernicus weren't that far away from Rome....If you don't know Avogadro then your scientific knowledge is sorely lacking.

[Horn]

If you don't know Avogadro then your scientific knowledge is sorely lacking.

buona felice, mamBoni'

[mamboni]

buona felice, mamBoni'Leccare le palle senor

[mamboni]

proof nasa is fake documentary



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b-firPbl8Os

[Jewboo]

proof nasa is fake...



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QDJzjomSN94

This is real. See all the stars rotating above the SOUTH Pole Mamboni?

:)

[Neuro]

Show me a photograph of the earth globe from space.

Sorry I didn't go to space and I don't have the means for that now or in the future. Why don't you go and measure Australia? Acoording to your map it is the biggest country in the world...

[Neuro]

No one has ever measured gravity. Gravity remains to this day a theory. Newton's equation F=ma has the measured acceleration of a falling object in vacuum as 9.8 m/sec2. So g is substituted for a, g being gravity. Poof: gravity! But wait. All of the behaviour of gravity can be explained by density/buoyancy alone (where only the product of mass times acceleration(g) is considered). For example, a bowling ball and a feather will fall to earth at the same rate in a vacuum, because both are infinitely more dense than a vacuum.
The thing with gravity is that it works whether you believe in it or, as in your case, not...

Did you try skydiving? Or downhill skiing? Or bicycling? Why is it you get greater speed when your surface area is smaller in the direction you are going. Your density doesn't change does it? Hmmm maybe it is air resistance that slows down the feather?

Which specific heavier air molecules do you find closer to earth surface vs let's say at 5 miles altitude? Since cold air is heavier than hot air, why is it colder at 5 miles altitude, than ground level?

[mamboni]

The thing with gravity is that it works whether you believe in it or, as in your case, not...

Did you try skydiving? Or downhill skiing? Or bicycling? Why is it you get greater speed when your surface area is smaller in the direction you are going. Your density doesn't change does it? Hmmm maybe it is air resistance that slows down the feather?

Which specific heavier air molecules do you find closer to earth surface vs let's say at 5 miles altitude? Since cold air is heavier than hot air, why is it colder at 5 miles altitude, than ground level?Covered this - see lesson notes IX.

You find that earth globe photo from outer space?

[Horn]

its not really flat planar (for gravity to work) its a pedastal held upon some great Terrapin or Atlas back.

There is a floor down there too (underneath Atlas feet) but it is hell.

Hell actually keeps things from going lopsided so that's a good thing..

[Jewboo]

http://i.imgur.com/yRBZ0Oo.jpg

[osoab]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QDJzjomSN94

This is real. See all the stars rotating above the SOUTH Pole Mamboni?

:)

That is a spinning camera.

[mamboni]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QDJzjomSN94

This is real. See all the stars rotating above the SOUTH Pole Mamboni?

:)Your point?

[Jewboo]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QDJzjomSN94

Your point?



This video disproves your assertion that there is no SOUTH POLE. Obviously all those stars are circling above the SOUTH POLE.

That's the sky over Antarctica.

Notice those planes don't crash into your "firmament dome wall" ?


:(?? believe your own eyes Mamboni

[Shami-Amourae]

This video disproves your assertion that there is no SOUTH POLE. Obviously all those stars are circling above the SOUTH POLE.

That's the sky over Antarctica.

Notice those planes don't crash into your "firmament dome wall" ?


:(?? believe your own eyes Mamboni

From the film's Amazon reviews:
https://www.amazon.com/product-reviews/B00V4JHTXW

https://s14.postimg.org/pyyptwtxt/11_14_2016_11_14_02_PM.jpg
http://i3.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/facebook/000/000/554/facepalm.jpg

[mamboni]

This video disproves your assertion that there is no SOUTH POLE. Obviously all those stars are circling above the SOUTH POLE.

That's the sky over Antarctica.

Notice those planes don't crash into your "firmament dome wall" ?


:(?? believe your own eyes MamboniMy friend, the stars appear to circle at all latitudes. This is inconsistent with the heliocentric model for reasons given earlier.

[Jewboo]

My friend, the stars appear to circle at all latitudes. This is inconsistent with the heliocentric model for reasons given earlier.

We already agreed that the stars above the NORTH POLE appear to be circling Polaris.

What are the stars above Antarctica circling? Can you even see Polaris from Antarctica?

:) my friend

[mamboni]

We already agreed that the stars above the NORTH POLE appear to be circling Polaris.

What are the stars above Antarctica circling? Can you even see Polaris from Antarctica?

:) my friend

NASA and modern astronomy say the Earth is a giant globe spinning 1,000 mph around its central axis, traveling 67,000 mph circles around the Sun, spiraling 500,000 mph around the Milky Way, while the entire galaxy rockets a ridiculous 670,000,000 mph through the Universe, with all of these motions originating from an alleged “Big Bang” cosmogenic explosion 14 billion years ago. That’s a grand total of 670,568,000 mph in several different directions we’re all supposedly speeding along at simultaneously. No one has ever seen, felt, heard, measured or proven such motion, yet the vast majority of people unquestioningly accept that the clearly motionless Earth beneath their feet is actually moving over six hundred million miles per hour!

https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-Q5ncXhNkPmk/V2J6jyN6EOI/AAAAAAAAQ2g/UaAbwFCfmXc6MXI_OI4bOPfry0Oya-_PwCLcB/s320/Star_trails_by_kopfgeist79.jpg (https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-Q5ncXhNkPmk/V2J6jyN6EOI/AAAAAAAAQ2g/UaAbwFCfmXc6MXI_OI4bOPfry0Oya-_PwCLcB/s1600/Star_trails_by_kopfgeist79.jpg)
NASA and modern astronomy say Polaris, the North Pole star, is somewhere between 323-434 light years, or about 2 quadrillion miles, away from us! Firstly, note that is between 1,938,000,000,000,000 - 2,604,000,000,000,000 miles making a difference of 666,000,000,000,000 (over six hundred trillion) miles! If modern astronomy cannot even agree on the distance to stars within hundreds of trillions of miles, perhaps their “science” is flawed and their theory needs re-examining. However, even granting them their obscurely distant stars, heliocentric astronomers cannot adequately explain how Polaris manages to always remain almost perfectly aligned straight above the North Pole.


If the globe-Earth was really spinning West-East 1,000 mph, orbiting the Sun counter-clockwise at 67,000 mph, spiraling around the outer-arms of the Milky Way at 500,000 mph, while shooting through the Universe at 670,000,000 mph, how is it even conceptually possible that Polaris, 2 quadrillion miles away, day after day, year after year, always maintains its alignment straight above the North Pole!? That would mean from 2 quadrillion miles away, Polaris would have to be perfectly mirroring Earth’s several simultaneous wobbling, spinning, spiraling, and shooting motions. Polaris would have to be shooting the same direction through the Universe at exactly 670,000,000 mph; it would have to be following the same 500,000 mph, 225 million year spiral around the Milky Way, and mirroring the same 67,000 mph, 365 day orbit around our Sun! Or, the Earth is stationary - as common sense and everyday experience testifies.


“It is supposed in the regular course of the Newtonian theory that the Earth is, in June, about 190 millions of miles (190,000,000) away from its position in December. Now, since we can, (in middle north latitudes) see the North Star, on looking out of a window that faces it - and out of the very same corner of the very same pane of glass in the very same window - all the year round, it is proof enough for any man in his senses that we have made no motion at all.” -William Carpenter, “100 Proofs the Earth is Not a Globe” (80)


https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-V-dx56Ri-pg/V2J6yUAwNHI/AAAAAAAAQ2s/Docsf6Bklj48BROAYBmEnNrwIbkOsCDbACLcB/s200/Polaris_Altitude.svg.png (https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-V-dx56Ri-pg/V2J6yUAwNHI/AAAAAAAAQ2s/Docsf6Bklj48BROAYBmEnNrwIbkOsCDbACLcB/s1600/Polaris_Altitude.svg.png)
Not only this, but viewed from a ball-Earth, Polaris, situated almost straight over the North Pole, should not be visible anywhere in the Southern Hemisphere. For Polaris to be seen from the Southern Hemisphere of a globular Earth, the observer would have to be somehow looking “through the globe,” and miles of land and sea would have to be transparent. Polaris can be seen, however, up to approximately 23.5 degrees South latitude.


“If the Earth is a sphere and the pole star hangs over the northern axis, it would be impossible to see it for a single degree beyond the equator, or 90 degrees from the pole. The line-of-sight would become a tangent to the sphere, and consequently several thousand miles out of and divergent from the direction of the pole star. Many cases, however, are on record of the north polar star being visible far beyond the equator, as far even as the tropic of Capricorn.” -Dr. Samuel Rowbotham, “Earth Not a Globe, 2nd Edition” (41)


“The astronomers' theory of a globular Earth necessitates the conclusion that, if we travel south of the equator, to see the North Star is an impossibility. Yet it is well known this star has been seen by navigators when they have been more than 20 degrees south of the equator. This fact, like hundreds of other facts, puts the theory to shame, and gives us a proof that the Earth is not a globe.” -William Carpenter, “100 Proofs the Earth is Not a Globe” (71)


https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-K0miaP2khJc/V2J670ZTbhI/AAAAAAAAQ20/3gWJkNG0jK8SrcdehpYg_fL6sxdhZ6-ogCLcB/s200/Starchart2.gif (https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-K0miaP2khJc/V2J670ZTbhI/AAAAAAAAQ20/3gWJkNG0jK8SrcdehpYg_fL6sxdhZ6-ogCLcB/s1600/Starchart2.gif)
To account for this glaring problem in their model, desperate heliocentrists since the late 19th century have claimed the ball-Earth actually tilts a convenient 23.5 degrees back on its vertical axis. Even this brilliant revision to their theory cannot account for the visibility of many other constellations though. For instance, Ursa Major, very close to Polaris, can be seen from 90 degrees North latitude (the North Pole) all the way down to 30 degrees South latitude. The constellation Vulpecula can be seen from 90 degrees North latitude, all the way to 55 degrees South latitude. Taurus, Pisces and Leo can be seen from 90 degrees North all the way to 65 degrees South. Aquarius and Libra can be seen from 65 degrees North to 90 degrees South! The constellation Virgo is visible from 80 degrees North down to 80 degrees South, and Orion can be seen from 85 degrees North all the way to 75 degrees South latitude! An observer on a ball-Earth, regardless of any tilt or inclination, should not logically be able to see this far.


“Another thing is certain, that from within the equator the north pole star, and the constellations Ursa Major, Ursa Minor, and many others, can be seen from every meridian simultaneously; whereas in the south, from the equator, neither the so-called south pole star, nor the remarkable constellation of the Southern Cross, can be seen simultaneously from every meridian, showing that all the constellations of the south - pole star included - sweep over a great southern arc and across the meridian, from their rise in the evening to their setting in the morning. But if the earth is a globe, Sigma Octantis, a south pole star, and the Southern Cross, a southern circumpolar constellation, they would all be visible at the same time from every longitude on the same latitude, as is the case with the northern pole star and the northern circumpolar constellations. Such, however, is not the case.” -Dr. Samuel Rowbotham, “Zetetic Astronomy, Earth Not a Globe!” (286)

[mamboni]

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[Jewboo]

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Ok Mamboni my friend. Let's easily end your "the world is flat" delusion once and for all. You dismiss all reasonable evidence as "fake" NASA photos and even dismiss what ordinary people can see with their own telescopes. Everybody is lying and all their photos are fake. Ok. We already agreed in this thread that with our own naked eyes we can see the stars appearing to circle around Polaris. The North Star. They taught us in Boy Scouts how to use the Big Dipper to easily find Polaris. The North Star. I could easily use the Big Dipper to find The North Star from my balcony last night. You and Mamboni Junior can easily do this too in Pennsylvania with your naked eyes. You don't even need binoculars to see Polaris. The North Star.

Let's easily end your "the world is flat" delusion by Mamboni presenting us with simple evidence that Polaris...The North Star...is visible with the naked eye in Australia.

:)

[Dogman]

Lmfao !

Sent from my Nexus 7 using Forum runner

[mamboni]

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https://media1.britannica.com/eb-media/77/149177-004-37275AF5.jpg



Ok Mamboni my friend. Let's easily end your "the world is flat" delusion once and for all. You dismiss all reasonable evidence as "fake" NASA photos and even dismiss what ordinary people can see with their own telescopes. Everybody is lying and all their photos are fake. Ok. We already agreed in this thread that with our own naked eyes we can see the stars appearing to circle around Polaris. The North Star. They taught us in Boy Scouts how to use the Big Dipper to easily find Polaris. The North Star. I could easily use the Big Dipper to find The North Star from my balcony last night. You and Mamboni Junior can easily do this too in Pennsylvania with your naked eyes. You don't even need binoculars to see Polaris. The North Star.

Let's easily end your "the world is flat" delusion by Mamboni presenting us with simple evidence that Polaris...The North Star...is visible with the naked eye in Australia.

:)




I don't understand you at all. Did you read anything I just posted? I don't have to prove that the earth is flat. It has been proven many many ways. There is not a single shred of evidence for earth's movement, not one. Anyone who believes in a heliocentric universe has put his faith in a secular religion - there is no objective scientific proof to support it. You are delusional.

[Jewboo]

http://static1.squarespace.com/static/5256bc9ce4b0b08a7faaf041/52a092dee4b05d6122b51691/53f5909ce4b0a1e4bd3a607a/1458980474456/?format=1000w

https://media1.britannica.com/eb-media/77/149177-004-37275AF5.jpg



Ok Mamboni my friend. Let's easily end your "the world is flat" delusion once and for all. You dismiss all reasonable evidence as "fake" NASA photos and even dismiss what ordinary people can see with their own telescopes. Everybody is lying and all their photos are fake. Ok. We already agreed in this thread that with our own naked eyes we can see the stars appearing to circle around Polaris. The North Star. They taught us in Boy Scouts how to use the Big Dipper to easily find Polaris. The North Star. I could easily use the Big Dipper to find The North Star from my balcony last night. You and Mamboni Junior can easily do this too in Pennsylvania with your naked eyes. You don't even need binoculars to see Polaris. The North Star.

Let's easily end your "the world is flat" delusion by Mamboni presenting us with simple evidence that Polaris...The North Star...is visible with the naked eye in Australia.

:)



I don't understand you at all. Did you read anything I just posted? I don't have to prove that the earth is flat. It has been proven many many ways. There is not a single shred of evidence for earth's movement, not one. Anyone who believes in a heliocentric universe has put his faith in a secular religion - there is no objective scientific proof to support it. You are delusional.



Oh. Whoever can't see Polaris from Australia with their own naked eyes is delusional. The North Star. Everybody in Australia is therefore delusional because they can't see Polaris with their own naked eyes. Mamboni PhD is the only sane one here but he and Mamboni Junior can't see Polaris from Australia either.


:rolleyes: nice try my friend...now go back and offer us a serious answer why Australians can't see Polaris on your flat Earth.

[mamboni]

Oh. Whoever can't see Polaris from Australia with their own naked eyes is delusional. The North Star. Everybody in Australia is therefore delusional because they can't see Polaris with their own naked eyes. Mamboni PhD is the only sane one here but he and Mamboni Junior can't see Polaris from Australia either.


:rolleyes: nice try my friend...now go back and offer us a serious answer why Australians can't see Polaris on your flat Earth.Stupid strawman. You apparently did not master basic geometry. If earth were a globe, no one south of the equator could see Polaris. Polaris is visable in the southern hemisphere. Why mention Australia? Why not go completely stupid and mention Tasmania?
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ahNfU7zYlmY

[Jewboo]

Polaris is viable in the southern hemisphere. Why mention Australia?



Oh. Now Mamboni is finally acknowledging that there is a southern hemisphere. That's hopeful.

FACT: Mamboni and Mamboni Junior can't see Polaris from Australia on their flat Earth with their own naked eyes.

Are they blind or "delusional" like everybody else in Australia?

:) why can't you see it my friend?

[mamboni]

Oh. Now Mamboni is finally acknowledging that there is a southern hemisphere. That's hopeful.

FACT: Mamboni and Mamboni Junior can't see Polaris from Australia on their flat Earth with their own naked eyes.

Are they blind or "delusional" like everybody else in Australia?

:(?? why can't you see it my friend?You are best off staying with your cherished delusions. I can't invest time and energy in you. You are lacking in basic critical thinking and logic.

I'm still waiting for proof of earth curvature and movement. Drop the Australia gambit and show the basis of your belief in the globe. If you cannot produce this proof, then you are operating under a willful delusion, by definition. You are no different than a bible thumper. You think because you don't have a God that makes your bankrupt reasoning science. Your God is your pride and ego. Far better men than you have provided hard scientific evidence for the flat immovable earth. But ignore all this and harp on Australia because you are not interested in the truth. You just want to get your way.

For the record, no one I know has been to Australia. So stop manufacturing lies, like some Jew provocateur.

Tootles.

[Jewboo]

You are best off staying with your cherished delusions. I can't invest time and energy in you. You are lacking in basic critical thinking and logic.

I'm still waiting for proof of earth curvature and movement. Drop the Australia gambit and show the basis of your belief in the globe. If you cannot produce this proof, then you are operating under a willful delusion, by definition. You are no different than a bible thumper. You think because you don't have a God that makes your bankrupt reasoning science. Your God is your pride and ego. Far better men than you have provided hard scientific evidence for the flat immovable earth. But ignore all this and harp on Australia because you are not interested in the truth. You just want to get your way.

For the record, no one I know has been to Australia. So stop manufacturing lies, like some Jew provocateur. Tootles.



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Mamboni's Flat Earth...notice Australia !

http://cdn.inquisitr.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/Roger-Ebert-Dies-Age-70-20-Our-Favorite-Ebert-Quotes-Crocodile-Dundee-II.jpg
Mamboni says to just follow the North Star but we can't see it!

:) after you settle down return and answer this simple question my friend

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/d2/47/96/d24796ce5959563f05ec8447e4d21083.jpg
Yeah...why can't I see it Mamboni?

[Shami-Amourae]

Unedited NASA Photo

Dont let the flat Earth idiots distract you from the Real Truth

http://img.4plebs.org/boards/pol/image/1466/87/1466876087118.jpg

[mamboni]

Third rate minds.
All they can do is joke around.
Can't answer a simple request: hundreds of satellites, the Hubble telescope, the ISS and no one here can post a single photograph of the globe earth. No, that would be logical. Better to argue about where the stars appear and disprove the flat earth with circumstantial evidence.

How about curvature: you idiots find any yet?

Anyone who believes in the unsubstantiated unproved moving globe earth is delusional.

[mamboni]

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Mamboni's Flat Earth...notice Australia !

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Mamboni says to just follow the North Star but we can't see it!

:) after you settle down return and answer this simple question my friend

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/d2/47/96/d24796ce5959563f05ec8447e4d21083.jpg
Yeah...why can't I see it Mamboni?
Wow, you routinely bend the truth and even lie to make debate points. Very sad.

[Shami-Amourae]

Anyone who believes in the unsubstantiated unproved moving globe earth is delusional.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KcWyZ8uVjJY

Spherecucks still believing in their Pale Jew Dot conspiracy, amiritie?

http://img.4plebs.org/boards/pol/image/1453/85/1453852642325.jpg

http://img.4plebs.org/boards/pol/image/1465/61/1465613773205.jpg

[Jewboo]

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/c/c7/Scouts_Australia.svg/210px-Scouts_Australia.svg.png

http://klmall.smugmug.com/Boy-Scouts/Bowman-2011/i-4Mv8Pgm/0/L/IMG5583ed1-L.jpg
That bloke Mamboni PhD says we should just follow the "North Star" but we can't see it. Are we all blind lads? WTF?



:rolleyes:

[mamboni]

We have super HD "photos" of Mars courtesy of NASA. Book says that there are hundreds of satellites and a Hubble telescope. But he can't post a single photograph of the globe earth, not one. He'd rather talk about Australia.

Transparently FOS.

[Jewboo]

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/c/c7/Scouts_Australia.svg/210px-Scouts_Australia.svg.png

http://klmall.smugmug.com/Boy-Scouts/Bowman-2011/i-4Mv8Pgm/0/L/IMG5583ed1-L.jpg
That bloke Mamboni PhD says we should just follow the "North Star" but we can't see it. Are we all blind lads? WTF?



:rolleyes:



My friend Mamboni can't offer a serious thoughtful reason why Australians can't see Polaris on his flat Earth. The North Star.


:D End of debate. Mamboni is truly stumped. Earth is a sphere.

[mamboni]

:D End of debate. Mamboni is truly stumped. Earth is a sphere.


Ok, if that's the extent of your mental efforts, then stick with the globe. It's for stupid cattle who want to be deceived - suits you.

[Jewboo]

My friend Mamboni can't offer a serious thoughtful reason why Australians can't see Polaris on his flat Earth. The North Star.


:D End of debate. Mamboni is truly stumped. Earth is a sphere.




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WHY can't Australians see Polaris on your flat Earth my friend? The North Star.


:(??

[mamboni]

Well this guy did the leg work and showed the earth to be flat. No harm in taking a look see is there?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SfTAn6NrGaY

[Jewboo]

We have super HD "photos" of Mars courtesy of NASA. Book says that there are hundreds of satellites and a Hubble telescope. But he can't post a single photograph of the globe earth, not one. He'd rather talk about Australia.



http://www.dailystormer.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/9777f86326b39a0e0451979cc2df6fa332a3589a.jpg

Here you go my friend. Now explain why Australians can't see Polaris. The North Star.

:)

[mamboni]

More visual proof that the earth is flat


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZMceuZ6NoIM

[Horn]

So weather patterns also spiral around the north pole too along with the Christmas tree bulb Sun, explain why the trade winds converge at the equator.

https://propelsteps.files.wordpress.com/2014/02/windpat.gif?w=585

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trade_winds

[mamboni]

So weather patterns also spiral around the north pole too along with the Christmas tree bulb Sun, explain why the trade winds converge at the equator.

https://propelsteps.files.wordpress.com/2014/02/windpat.gif?w=585

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trade_windsMakes more sense on a flat earth.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P5LzJrVKmBk

[Shami-Amourae]

Live feed showing round Earth:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UGPuEDyAsU8

They must be Photoshopping around the clock.
:rolleyes:

[mamboni]

Live feed showing round Earth:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UGPuEDyAsU8

They must be Photoshopping around the clock.
:rolleyes:Sure - they're using a fisheye lens. Notice the curvature of the solar panels in the lower right corner. They should be absolutely straight rectangular.

[Horn]

Makes more sense on a flat earth

ok i am just going to reply with. Rolling Stones videos from here on out...ballmeister

[Shami-Amourae]

Sure - they're using a fisheye lens. Notice the curvature of the solar panels in the lower right corner. They should be absolutely straight rectangular.

I took a screenshot and distorted the image so the Earth would be flat.

Before:
https://s11.postimg.org/edmdp3v77/fr2.jpg (https://postimg.org/image/x5y8sorlb/)
After:
https://s11.postimg.org/pbxn7ajsj/fr1.jpg (https://postimg.org/image/ual5ltnlb/)

[mamboni]

I took a screenshot and distorted the image so the Earth would be flat.

Before:
https://s11.postimg.org/edmdp3v77/fr2.jpg (https://postimg.org/image/x5y8sorlb/)
After:
https://s11.postimg.org/pbxn7ajsj/fr1.jpg (https://postimg.org/image/ual5ltnlb/)That helps. But the best way to document the flat horizon is with a proper non-distorting lens. This is all fake anyway. NASA films a mockup of the ISS in a pool underwater and then projects this onto a large screen projection of earth from about 23 miles altitude, which is about as far as man has ever been able to ascend.

[Horn]

Live feed showing round Earth:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UGPuEDyAsU8

They must be Photoshopping around the clock.
:rolleyes:

that closes the case there are No edges there... and they went straight AROUND HER!!

Without running into the Sun Or The Moon I might add...

[Horn]

You should also check those weather patterns down on earth to make sure they match up with the current ones,. Shami.

someone may claim it were done in a studio...

[Jewboo]

This is all fake anyway. NASA films a mockup of the ISS in a pool underwater and then projects this onto a large screen projection of earth from about 23 miles altitude, which is about as far as man has ever been able to ascend.



http://www.lizwallensteintherapy.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/freudcouch.jpg


:) Starting to get a little concerned about you Mamboni. Read what you just posted my friend. You can't be serious...

[mamboni]

http://www.lizwallensteintherapy.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/freudcouch.jpg


:) Starting to get a little concerned about you Mamboni. Read what you just posted my friend. You can't be serious...Be careful not to stand in judgement. I've done my homework; have you? I'll post some videos documenting this fraud. And yes, Photoshop is an important NASA tool of deception.

[Horn]

hurry mamboni, the live feed is over the pacific currently and the Sun is loopin way out there out of sight... it reached its vanishing point...

edge is still nowhere present in the fisheye lens

[Shami-Amourae]

Be careful not to stand in judgement. I've done my homework; have you? I'll post some videos documenting this fraud. And yes, Photoshop is an important NASA tool of deception.

I have too. I started this thread on it. I've listed a bunch of information on it. I watched at least 10 hours worth of pro-flat earth content. To me it's a giant psy-op to discredit the Truther community. People see how much the media/establishment lies to them, so they naturally want to latch onto something that goes against that in the Truther community. This plays into that.

I posted videos by this guy called TigerDan925 (https://www.youtube.com/user/TigerDan925/videos) on YouTube who was one of the main Christian Flat Earthers on YouTube. Myself and a bunch of people from 4Chan trolled him/debated him until we convinced him to plot out the map of the Earth. So he tried making a map, and then he realized the only way it would work is if the world was a globe, and then he turned up. The entire Flat Earth community attacked him mercilessly like a cult. It's like what you saw when you try to leave a fundamentalist Christian sect, but on steroids.

We got him to start plotting the Earth in these 6 videos:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0TkNSUwSXxY
Here's the last video in this series where he's clearly cracking



We showed him some flights that fly directly over the South Pole here, and he cracks:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q7xDmnbbXXU
This video alone completely debunks the Flat Earth theory, and it's coming from one of the former top Flat Earthers on YouTube.



He starts a series debunking Flat Earth, but he stops are part 5, and disappears from YouTube for some unknown reason:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Z_TEHMnsfE

[mamboni]

I have too. I started this thread on it. I've listed a bunch of information on it. I watched at least 10 hours worth of pro-flat earth content. To me it's a giant psy-op to discredit the Truther community. People see how much the media/establishment lies to them, so they naturally want to latch onto something that goes against that in the Truther community. This plays into that.

I posted videos by this guy called TigerDan925 (https://www.youtube.com/user/TigerDan925/videos) on YouTube who was one of the main Christian Flat Earthers on YouTube. Myself and a bunch of people from 4Chan trolled him/debated him until we convinced him to plot out the map of the Earth. So he tried making a map, and then he realized the only way it would work is if the world was a globe, and then he turned up. The entire Flat Earth community attacked him mercilessly like a cult. It's like what you saw when you try to leave a fundamentalist Christian sect, but on steroids.

We got him to start plotting the Earth in these 6 videos:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0TkNSUwSXxY
Here's the last video in this series where he's clearly cracking



We showed him some flights that fly directly over the South Pole here, and he cracks:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q7xDmnbbXXU
This video alone completely debunks the Flat Earth theory, and it's coming from one of the former top Flat Earthers on YouTube.



He starts a series debunking Flat Earth, but he stops are part 5, and disappears from YouTube for some unknown reason:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Z_TEHMnsfEOnly way to plot the earth map is on a globe? Really? Are you serious? Have you never seen the UN logo or the offical map of the USGS, both flat earth azimuthal projections?

[Jewboo]

I have too. I started this thread on it. I've listed a bunch of information on it. I watched at least 10 hours worth of pro-flat earth content. To me it's a giant psy-op to discredit the Truther community. People see how much the media/establishment lies to them, so they naturally want to latch onto something that goes against that in the Truther community. This plays into that.

I posted videos by this guy called TigerDan925 (https://www.youtube.com/user/TigerDan925/videos) on YouTube who was one of the main Christian Flat Earthers on YouTube. Myself and a bunch of people from 4Chan trolled him/debated him until we convinced him to plot out the map of the Earth. So he tried making a map, and then he realized the only way it would work is if the world was a globe, and then he turned up. The entire Flat Earth community attacked him mercilessly like a cult. It's like what you saw when you try to leave a fundamentalist Christian sect, but on steroids.

We got him to start plotting the Earth in these 6 videos:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0TkNSUwSXxY
Here's the last video in this series where he's clearly cracking

We showed him some flights that fly directly over the South Pole here, and he cracks:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q7xDmnbbXXU
This video alone completely debunks the Flat Earth theory, and it's coming from one of the former top Flat Earthers on YouTube.

He starts a series debunking Flat Earth, but he stops are part 5, and disappears from YouTube for some unknown reason:



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9_peSCECc4I

Actually follow along with Shami and watch his logical videos Mamboni. This thread is a sincere family intervention and we care about you.

http://s18785.storage.proboards.com/168785/i/YFaE4hP7F1CtH0BwzfEL.gif

[Shami-Amourae]

Only way to plot the earth map is on a globe? Really? Are you serious? Have you never seen the UN logo or the offical map of the USGS, both flat earth azimuthal projections?

Watch the 2nd video I posted. It shows it on the UN Logo Flat Earth model as well as some other models.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q7xDmnbbXXU

[Shami-Amourae]

Actually follow along with Shami and watch his logical videos Mamboni. This thread is a sincere family intervention and we care about you.

http://s18785.storage.proboards.com/168785/i/YFaE4hP7F1CtH0BwzfEL.gif

I tried to not participate in this thread since I think the Flat Earth community is a cult. If you say anything critical about them on YouTube they will flood your page in an organized fashion and thumb everything down. They "mark" traitors to the movement too. Ironically most of these people have moved onto Mandela Effect, thought no one seems to believe that on this forum, which I find unusual (in a good way.)

If you are too direct trying to debunk this stuff, they will put up blinders and see you as a threat, so won't listen to anything you say. It may be best to lay off it actually with soft ridicule/trolling since you're pushing him into a corner.

We started red-pilling TigerDan925 by posing as Flat Earthers who wanted a more accurate map to be made, and forwarded him some flights that flew over the South Pole.

BTW, do searched on /x/ to cover this stuff. People on /pol/ talk about it, but a lot of it is on /x/ (paranormal/conspiracies board)
http://archive.4plebs.org/x/

[Jewboo]

I tried to not participate in this thread since I think the Flat Earth community is a cult. If you say anything critical about them on YouTube they will flood your page in an organized fashion and thumb everything down. They "mark" traitors to the movement too. Ironically most of these people have moved onto Mandela Effect, thought no one seems to believe that on this forum, which I find unusual (in a good way.)

If you are too direct trying to debunk this stuff, they will put up blinders and see you as a threat, so won't listen to anything you say. It may be best to lay off it actually with soft ridicule/trolling since you're pushing him into a corner.

We started red-pilling TigerDan925 by posing as Flat Earthers who wanted a more accurate map to be made, and forwarded him some flights that flew over the South Pole.

BTW, do searched on /x/ to cover this stuff. People on /pol/ talk about it, but a lot of it is on /x/ (paranormal/conspiracies board)
http://archive.4plebs.org/x/

We are at that exact point now. I'm done.

:D

[StreetsOfGold]

While I am glad the Doc has, like millions of others have, woken up to the "spinning ball" DECEPTION.
Now he nesds to realize that this deception will bring out forum trolls and shills and that some of these POS are right here on this forum!
i.e. JEW(hating)SPOOK(boo)

The spinning ball earth = the primary, ESSENTIAL framework for the Evolution RELIGION promoted by the most vile, wicked men on earth (NASA, HOLLYWOOD, Atheists, the NWO, Catholic church, Obama and ALL mainstream academia AND MEDIA which go out of their way to make FE appear CRAZY (like they do with Trump supporters)
Flat, unmoving plane = Ancient Hebrew cosmology as well as MOST ancient cultures view of the earth and the Biblical AS WELL AS the SCIENTIFIC model.

[Horn]

I have checked daily current weather patterns and they confirm location and altitude of the Live Feed from the International Space station.

http://iss.astroviewer.net/

Everything checks out as consistent there with a current altitude of plus or minus 250 miles above de Earth, so we're OK for liftoff!!

you are free to move about the cabin, mamboni.

[mamboni]

Watch the 2nd video I posted. It shows it on the UN Logo Flat Earth model as well as some other models.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q7xDmnbbXXUThis guy proves absolutely nothing. This is garbage. Use your own eyes.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ph6_4mbxgDg

[Horn]

This guy proves absolutely nothing. This is garbage. Use your own eyes.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ph6_4mbxgDg

I think you're suffering from flat eye every frame of that video shows the curveture of Earth.

You can see it right there in that still frame above, simply measure up the side of the youtube box...

[mamboni]

http://www.whale.to/c/12799069_617355558418839_1556392208916072115_n.jpg

http://www.whale.to/c/long_haul_flights.html

[Neuro]

This guy proves absolutely nothing. This is garbage. Use your own eyes.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ph6_4mbxgDg

Towards the end of that video, you'll see the sun pretty much down at the horizon line despite being high above the clouds... You stated earlier that you don't believe the sun is as high as 3000 miles above earth, that other flat earthers have stated. What is the altitude of the sun over earths surface Mamboni?

[Neuro]

This guy proves absolutely nothing. This is garbage. Use your own eyes.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ph6_4mbxgDg

Towards the end of that video, you'll see the sun pretty much down at the horizon line despite being high above the clouds... You stated earlier that you don't believe the sun is as high as 3000 miles above earth, that other flat earthers have stated. What is the altitude of the sun over earths surface Mamboni?

[mamboni]

Towards the end of that video, you'll see the sun pretty much down at the horizon line despite being high above the clouds... You stated earlier that you don't believe the sun is as high as 3000 miles above earth, that other flat earthers have stated. What is the altitude of the sun over earths surface Mamboni?If you measure it using a sextant the result is 3,100 miles.

[Neuro]

If you measure it using a sextant the result is 3,100 miles.

So how do you figure it is visually at cloud horizon line in the end of the video you posted. The clouds are several thousand of meters below towards earh

[mamboni]

So how do you figure it is visually at cloud horizon line in the end of the video you posted. The clouds are several thousand of meters below towards earhPerspective my friend. I will post something later. Just finished work - now to the batting cage.

In the mean time this might help:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h7nJ9RuqkNk

[Neuro]

Perspective my friend. I will post something later. Just finished work - now to the batting cage.

In the mean time this might help:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h7nJ9RuqkNk

You wouldn't get that splaying effect with a sun that is 3000 miles above surface either. Maximum 50 miles high probably less than 20 miles above earth.... But then of course you have the problem of the sun spending a very short time above where you live, as it has to travel some 24,000 miles or so every day. So what creates the splaying effect of the rays of the sun at 3000 miles altitude is also a viable explanation for a sun that is 100 million miles away.

And yes it has to do with perspective, what is 3 miles away from you at the surface appears to you much farther away compared to the three miles away between two holes in the cloud cover. If you can wrap your mind around that simple concept, the whole ray splaying phenomena is debunked.

To make it even more debunked. You know that sun rises in the east and sets in the west. You wouldn't really think that where you have rays coming from the east you would have MORNING time and towards the east where you have rays coming from the west you'ld have EVENING. All in the same photo. How many time zones in those 6-7 miles? 6 or 7! Even if you saw 40 miles in each direction the proposition would be absurd.

It is thoroughly debunked!

[Horn]

Not to mention that Venus would be accessible daily in a tramcar trolly from Mt. Everest.

[mamboni]

You wouldn't get that splaying effect with a sun that is 3000 miles above surface either. Maximum 50 miles high probably less than 20 miles above earth.... But then of course you have the problem of the sun spending a very short time above where you live, as it has to travel some 24,000 miles or so every day. So what creates the splaying effect of the rays of the sun at 3000 miles altitude is also a viable explanation for a sun that is 100 million miles away.

And yes it has to do with perspective, what is 3 miles away from you at the surface appears to you much farther away compared to the three miles away between two holes in the cloud cover. If you can wrap your mind around that simple concept, the whole ray splaying phenomena is debunked.

To make it even more debunked. You know that sun rises in the east and sets in the west. You wouldn't really think that where you have rays coming from the east you would have MORNING time and towards the east where you have rays coming from the west you'ld have EVENING. All in the same photo. How many time zones in those 6-7 miles? 6 or 7! Even if you saw 40 miles in each direction the proposition would be absurd.

It is thoroughly debunked!Brilliant, case closed. Thanks. /sarc

Light rays are linear. Crepuscular rays converge on the sun. The sun as observed is clearly only a few hundred miles high. It is not 93,000,000 miles away.

When light scatters, it scatters in all directions. It does not form distinct rays. Light from a distant (millions of miles away) sun would strike the upper clouds perfectly paralllel. Light reflected off the clouds would not produce distinctive linear rays that converge on the sun floating above the clouds.

Sorry, no cigar.

[Jewboo]

The sun as observed is clearly only a few hundred miles high.



The distance between your flat Earth and your Sun is only a few hundred miles?

:)

[Horn]

That could definetly lead to flat eye or hard boiled frontal cortex at the least.

[Blink]

Can't get much into this ridiculous discussion. I've always asked flat earth believers this question, "What is the point?". Not one has an answer to that. Why would they hide this from us? People are sheep, they would still be lied/manipulated/controlled whether the earth is round or flat. So again, whats the point? The only answer that I can see is that this "theory" is attached to all the other "conspiracies" that people tried to expose to the masses and this does nothing more than make those same sheep think truthers are a bunch of whack jobs. If someone has a great reason for TPTB to do this, please explain the advantage because I don't see it. Shitty videos off youtube don't cut it.....

[Jewboo]

Can't get much into this ridiculous discussion. I've always asked flat earth believers this question, "What is the point?". Not one has an answer to that. Why would they hide this from us? People are sheep, they would still be lied/manipulated/controlled whether the earth is round or flat. So again, whats the point? The only answer that I can see is that this "theory" is attached to all the other "conspiracies" that people tried to expose to the masses and this does nothing more than make those same sheep think truthers are a bunch of whack jobs. If someone has a great reason for TPTB to do this, please explain the advantage because I don't see it. Shitty videos off youtube don't cut it.....

http://bible-truth.org/Genesis.jpg

It appears Mamboni has recently gone all in to "believe" this now.

:(?? he even calls the sky "firmament"

[Neuro]

Brilliant, case closed. Thanks. /sarc

Light rays are linear. Crepuscular rays converge on the sun. The sun as observed is clearly only a few hundred miles high. It is not 93,000,000 miles away.

Ok let's say the sun is 300 miles above earth, and the clouds are 3 miles high. The distance between two holes in the cloud is 1 mile, that means the distance between the rays at the ground is 1.01 mile.

Now explain why it matters to your argument that the sun is 300 miles away vs 93 million miles?

[mamboni]

Can't get much into this ridiculous discussion. I've always asked flat earth believers this question, "What is the point?". Not one has an answer to that. Why would they hide this from us? People are sheep, they would still be lied/manipulated/controlled whether the earth is round or flat. So again, whats the point? The only answer that I can see is that this "theory" is attached to all the other "conspiracies" that people tried to expose to the masses and this does nothing more than make those same sheep think truthers are a bunch of whack jobs. If someone has a great reason for TPTB to do this, please explain the advantage because I don't see it. Shitty videos off youtube don't cut it.....I have little patience for your smugness. On the one hand you can't be bothered to investigate the question. Yet you dismiss it off hand and feel the need to express what ostensibly is an off the cuff uninformed opinion. In other words, blatther.

I don't appreciate being insulted. Because you make light of a subject that I or others find worthy of investigation; a subject you admit ignorance of and disninterest in. Yet you have the temerity to shoot your dismissive comments.

Personally, I feel sorry you and your ilk. Your mind is caged and you will be the last the realize it, if ever.

The answer is this: distance mankind from the flat motionless earth and it's creator by turning the earth into a ball traveling around the sun through billions of miles and amongst virtually infinite galaxies and space. Supposedly there was nothing, then something out of nothing, a big bang and oua la we have matter and space. Then we are told, that over billions and billions of years, the space matter condensed through gravitational attraction onto stars and planets. Then our lifeless planet, one amongst billions, formed an atmosphere and oceans and placed itslef in stable orbit around the sun and just the right distnace and inclination to give us our four seasons and livable conditions. Then somehow amino acids formed out of this primordial soup and through happenstance formed polypeptides. A billion more years and these polypepetide assembled into more complex forms culminating in the first single cell organism - life as it were, purely by chance. Then this evolved into a eucaryote cell with full complement of subcellular organelles including mitochondria, endoplasmic reticulum, microtubules, cells membranes, receptors, signal tranduction proteins, etc. Then a few of these cells came together over billions of years and evolved to complex multicelled organisms: amoeba -> slime mold -> flat worms -> .........-> rodents -> large mammals -> simian mammals -> primitive man -> modern man.

This is the most fantastic and thoroughly improbable tale I have ever heard. It is an unfit theory worthy of disdain because it:
1. cannot be experimentally verified '
2. is so improbable as to be impossible.

Mankind goes from a divine creation made in the image of his creator to an evolutionary accident of no unique importance. The latter underrmines any notion of a creator or intelligent design.

But, if the earth is immovable and flat as told in many ancient scriptures, a structure that could not come about by random combination but requred intelligent design, then man is the center of his universe and his relationship to God takes on tangible meaning and relevance.

This is why the globe deception vis-a-vis a flat motionless earth is so important.

[mamboni]

The distance between your flat Earth and your Sun is only a few hundred miles?

:)
I don't know the distance - I didn't measure it. There are several proposals. But why do you care. You believe you are on a spinning ball and FE is some joke. Why do you care?

[Neuro]

The distance between your flat Earth and your Sun is only a few hundred miles?

:)

The distance between Stockholm and Tropic of Cancer, which the sun circles above at midsummer also according to flat earth models, is 2843 miles. Which means the sun is just barely above the horizon in Sweden also midday on midsummer. I realize it is like this now in November, but I have, obviously false, memories of it being quite high above horizon at noon around midsummer.

But really for Mamboni's scatterbrained ideas re it being close so that rays can go in different directions sun can only be a few tens of miles above earth. For instance if sun is 15 miles above earth, and clouds are 3 miles above earths surface, if you have a distance between openings in the cloud of 1 mile the distance between the rays at ground would be 1.25 mile. Not that much...

[Neuro]

I don't know the distance - I didn't measure it. There are several proposals. But why do you care. You believe you are on a spinning ball and FE is some joke. Why do you care?

It is a joke. You have been presented with countless examples simply and clearly demonstrating the theory doesn't hold up to physical reality, which you reject, apparently without giving them any thought at all.

You used to be a person of great discernment and a clarity of mind surpassed by none here. Now you have fallen to this bullshit. This isn't a joke at all. What happened to you Mamboni?

[mamboni]

It is a joke. You have been presented with countless examples simply and clearly demonstrating the theory doesn't hold up to physical reality, which you reject, apparently without giving them any thought at all.

You used to be a person of great discernment and a clarity of mind surpassed by none here. Now you have fallen to this bullshit. This isn't a joke at all. What happened to you Mamboni?Empty boasts - you have presented no proof of a spinning globe earth. No one has. Your argument is pure wind and fury, signifying nothing.

[Neuro]

Empty boasts - you have presented no proof of a spinning globe earth. No one has. Your argument is pure wind and fury, signifying nothing.

Bye!

[Neuro]

Empty boasts - you have presented no proof of a spinning globe earth. No one has. Your argument is pure wind and fury, signifying nothing.

Bye!

[Jewboo]

I have little patience for your smugness. On the one hand you can't be bothered to investigate the question. Yet you dismiss it off hand and feel the need to express what ostensibly is an off the cuff uninformed opinion. In other words, blatther.

I don't appreciate being insulted. Because you make light of a subject that I or others find worthy of investigation; a subject you admit ignorance of and disninterest in. Yet you have the temerity to shoot your dismissive comments.

Personally, I feel sorry you and your ilk. Your mind is caged and you will be the last the realize it, if ever.

The answer is this: distance mankind from the flat motionless earth and it's creator by turning the earth into a ball traveling around the sun through billions of miles and amongst virtually infinite galaxies and space. Supposedly there was nothing, then something out of nothing, a big bang and oua la we have matter and space. Then we are told, that over billions and billions of years, the space matter condensed through gravitational attraction onto stars and planets. Then our lifeless planet, one amongst billions, formed an atmosphere and oceans and placed itslef in stable orbit around the sun and just the right distnace and inclination to give us our four seasons and livable conditions. Then somehow amino acids formed out of this primordial soup and through happenstance formed polypeptides. A billion more years and these polypepetide assembled into more complex forms culminating in the first single cell organism - life as it were, purely by chance. Then this evolved into a eucaryote cell with full complement of subcellular organelles including mitochondria, endoplasmic reticulum, microtubules, cells membranes, receptors, signal tranduction proteins, etc. Then a few of these cells came together over billions of years and evolved to complex multicelled organisms: amoeba -> slime mold -> flat worms -> .........-> rodents -> large mammals -> simian mammals -> primitive man -> modern man.

This is the most fantastic and thoroughly improbable tale I have ever heard. It is an unfit theory worthy of disdain because it:
1. cannot be experimentally verified '
2. is so improbable as to be impossible.

Mankind goes from a divine creation made in the image of his creator to an evolutionary accident of no unique importance. The latter underrmines any notion of a creator or intelligent design.

But, if the earth is immovable and flat as told in many ancient scriptures, a structure that could not come about by random combination but requred intelligent design, then man is the center of his universe and his relationship to God takes on tangible meaning and relevance.

This is why the globe deception vis-a-vis a flat motionless earth is so important.

Your bolded red also:


1. cannot be experimentally verified
2. is so improbable as to be impossible.


:(??You are trying to have it both ways my friend. Genesis is even more fantastical than what you wrote in bolded black. You can't show us your firmament dome wall in Antarctica. You can't even SEE Polaris the North Star from Australia.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jUplw52bz7Y
Kate Upton can't see your firmament dome wall either while sunning in Antarctica.

[mamboni]

Kate Upton! Yeah, she is hot. Now, that's what I call curvature!:cool:

[Jewboo]

Kate Upton! Yeah, she is hot. Now, that's what I call curvature!:cool:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IcyNK6OjsKc
this is another video Mamboni


Ok my friend. We can see in this other video that Kate Upton and her pals from Sports Illustrated can take a cruise to Antarctica with their cameras. Anybody can. Are you finally going to now retract that previous nonsense about evil UN Military preventing everybody from even getting close to super-top-secret Antarctica?

Obviously if your firmament dome wall existed in Antarctica there would be plenty of videos and photos to prove it. You and Mamboni Junior can freely go to Antarctica yourselves with your cameras just like Kate Upton and her pals. You and Mamboni Junior would become famous filming your firmament dome wall.

Your flat Earth theory visibly fails in Antarctica. There obviously is no firmament dome wall in Antarctica.

Can we have the old Mamboni back now?

http://www.wdwinfo.com/images/smilies/yay.gif

https://img.4plebs.org/boards/pol/image/1424/13/1424130955309.jpg
Nope. No firmament dome wall down there...

[mamboni]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jlJH5gSPATQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jlJH5gSPATQ)

[osoab]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uf7J8sr8NXQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uf7J8sr8NXQ

[Jewboo]

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/56/Map_of_the_McMurdo-South_Pole_highway.jpg



South Pole Traverse


The South Pole Traverse, also called the McMurdo–South Pole Highway, is an approximately 995-mile-long (1,601 km) compacted snow road in Antarctica (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antarctica) that links the United States (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States)'s McMurdo Station (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McMurdo_Station) on the coast to the Amundsen–Scott South Pole Station (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amundsen%E2%80%93Scott_South_Pole_Station). It was constructed by leveling snow and filling in crevasses (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crevasse), but is not paved (http://javascript<strong></strong>:void(0)); flags mark its route.


After four years of development, the trail was fully traversed for the first time in 2005, with Caterpillar (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caterpillar_Inc.) and Case Corp. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Case_Corporation) tractors pulling specialized sleds to deliver fuel and cargo to the South Pole (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Pole) in about 40 days. The return trip to McMurdo Station, with less fuel and cargo, is substantially quicker. Construction started during the 2002/03 southern summer field season. It was finished in the 2005/2006 southern summer.[2]
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Pole_Traverse#cite_note-2)

The McMurdo Ice Shelf (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McMurdo_Ice_Shelf) and the Antarctic Plateau (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antarctic_Plateau) are relatively stable. Most crevasses occur in the short steep shear zone between them, where the road climbs along Leverett Glacier (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leverett_Glacier) from near the southernmost point of Ross Ice Shelf (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ross_Ice_Shelf) to the Polar Plateau (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polar_Plateau) more than 2,000 metres (6,600 ft) above sea level (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sea_level). This section of the road needs maintenance each season. The section caused much more construction work than planned, because the ice sheets are likely to move.

In February 2013, Maria Leijerstam (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maria_Leijerstam) pedaled a three-wheeled recumbent (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recumbent_bicycle) fatbike (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fatbike) over a portion of the South Pole Traverse route,[6] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Pole_Traverse#cite_note-6) a feat recognized by Guinness World Records as the first person to arrive at the South Pole by bicycle.[7] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Pole_Traverse#cite_note-7)

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/3e/Maria_Leijerstam.jpeg/600px-Maria_Leijerstam.jpeg

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/40/Maria_Leijerstam_at_the_Geographic_South_Pole.jpeg

Maria Leijerstam is a Welsh polar adventurer and a Wales 2016 Year of Adventure ambassador. She was born in Aberdare, Wales in 1978.[1] She is credited as the first person to reach the South Pole by human-powered cycle, on a recumbent tricycle in 2013 via the South Pole Traverse, a U.S.-built compacted ice road from the Antarctic coast.[2][3] The team started at Novolazarevskaya Station where Leijerstam was transported by truck to the base of Leverett Glacier, then rode through the Queen Maud Mountains and on to the geographic pole, a distance of 638 kilometres (396 mi).

http://s18785.storage.proboards.com/168785/i/YFaE4hP7F1CtH0BwzfEL.gif WHAT SAY YOU MAMBONI ?

[monty]

https://s19.postimg.org/v40imrnc3/image.png

[Glass]

Brilliant, case closed. Thanks. /sarc

Light rays are linear. Crepuscular rays converge on the sun. The sun as observed is clearly only a few hundred miles high. It is not 93,000,000 miles away.

When light scatters, it scatters in all directions. It does not form distinct rays. Light from a distant (millions of miles away) sun would strike the upper clouds perfectly paralllel. Light reflected off the clouds would not produce distinctive linear rays that converge on the sun floating above the clouds.

Sorry, no cigar.

If the thing the rays were traveling through were curved in some way you could expect those rays to be affected. Question is would the effect be a convergence, a divergence or some other effect?

When fishing, it is a well known effect that the where the line looks like it is going in the water to an outside observer is skewed slightly.
When light passes through a concave faced lens there might be a divergence
Then light passes through a convex faced lens there might be a convergence
When light passes through a variable thickness lens (triangular) there might be another effect

How do they measure the distance to the Sun? Some would claim they sent some devices there........ assuming that is correct how would they measure the distance the device has traveled from it's origin to it's measuring location? You could maybe measure a delay of something like a radio signal..... assuming your device is actually out there. Is there any other way it could be done?

And if it were, it's not actually right up close is it? How close could they get to it before it was too hot for the device?

Sun = 93,000,000,000 miles away. 93 = Saturn = Chronos/Kronos = time.

See image 2 Right hand side: Saturn: http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?93695-Pizzagate&p=872067&viewfull=1#post872067

It takes 1,000,000 years for the sun energy we feel today to reach the surface of the sun from it's core. How do they measure that? What device has been tracking this energy for 1,000,000 years to record this fact?

[mamboni]

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/56/Map_of_the_McMurdo-South_Pole_highway.jpg



South Pole Traverse


The South Pole Traverse, also called the McMurdo–South Pole Highway, is an approximately 995-mile-long (1,601 km) compacted snow road in Antarctica (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antarctica) that links the United States (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States)'s McMurdo Station (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McMurdo_Station) on the coast to the Amundsen–Scott South Pole Station (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amundsen%E2%80%93Scott_South_Pole_Station). It was constructed by leveling snow and filling in crevasses (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crevasse), but is not paved (http://javascript<strong></strong>:void(0)); flags mark its route.


After four years of development, the trail was fully traversed for the first time in 2005, with Caterpillar (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caterpillar_Inc.) and Case Corp. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Case_Corporation) tractors pulling specialized sleds to deliver fuel and cargo to the South Pole (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Pole) in about 40 days. The return trip to McMurdo Station, with less fuel and cargo, is substantially quicker. Construction started during the 2002/03 southern summer field season. It was finished in the 2005/2006 southern summer.[2]
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Pole_Traverse#cite_note-2)

The McMurdo Ice Shelf (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McMurdo_Ice_Shelf) and the Antarctic Plateau (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antarctic_Plateau) are relatively stable. Most crevasses occur in the short steep shear zone between them, where the road climbs along Leverett Glacier (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leverett_Glacier) from near the southernmost point of Ross Ice Shelf (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ross_Ice_Shelf) to the Polar Plateau (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polar_Plateau) more than 2,000 metres (6,600 ft) above sea level (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sea_level). This section of the road needs maintenance each season. The section caused much more construction work than planned, because the ice sheets are likely to move.

In February 2013, Maria Leijerstam (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maria_Leijerstam) pedaled a three-wheeled recumbent (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recumbent_bicycle) fatbike (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fatbike) over a portion of the South Pole Traverse route,[6] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Pole_Traverse#cite_note-6) a feat recognized by Guinness World Records as the first person to arrive at the South Pole by bicycle.[7] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Pole_Traverse#cite_note-7)

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/3e/Maria_Leijerstam.jpeg/600px-Maria_Leijerstam.jpeg

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/40/Maria_Leijerstam_at_the_Geographic_South_Pole.jpeg

Maria Leijerstam is a Welsh polar adventurer and a Wales 2016 Year of Adventure ambassador. She was born in Aberdare, Wales in 1978.[1] She is credited as the first person to reach the South Pole by human-powered cycle, on a recumbent tricycle in 2013 via the South Pole Traverse, a U.S.-built compacted ice road from the Antarctic coast.[2][3] The team started at Novolazarevskaya Station where Leijerstam was transported by truck to the base of Leverett Glacier, then rode through the Queen Maud Mountains and on to the geographic pole, a distance of 638 kilometres (396 mi).

http://s18785.storage.proboards.com/168785/i/YFaE4hP7F1CtH0BwzfEL.gif WHAT SAY YOU MAMBONI ?
Geographic South Pole they say it is on their globe map...and so it is. How does this disprove the flat earth? They've entered the interior of the Antarctic ice wall. No one knows how far these ice shelves stretch. And Admiral Byrd claimed there exists a continent the size of the US just over the "other side" of Antarctica. In short, the edge is likely very very far away.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=78VxWnTEu9s

[Jewboo]

Geographic South Pole they say it is on their globe map...and so it is. How does this disprove the flat earth? They've entered the interior of the Antarctic ice wall. No one knows how far these ice shelves stretch. And Admiral Byrd claimed there exists a continent the size of the US just over the "other side" of Antarctica. In short, the edge is likely very very far away.



Thanks for addressing my post Mamboni. I continue to think Antarctica is the place for us to logically prove/disprove this flat Earth thingie. Maria Leijerstam rode her bike in Antarctica. Kate Upton sunbathed in Antarctica. Obviously people can freely go to Antarctica weather permitting. Admiral Byrd's conjecture above is unhelpful. That McMurdo–South Pole Highway is approximately 995-miles-long. Look at the map above and it is roughly a third of the way across Antarctica...so Antarctica is less than 3,000 miles across if a spherical Earth. NYC to LAX distance by air.

Can we at least agree that the McMurdo–South Pole Highway is approximately 995-miles-long inland regardless of a flat or sphere Earth?

:(??

[mamboni]

Thanks for addressing my post Mamboni. I continue to think Antarctica is the place for us to logically prove/disprove this flat Earth thingie. Maria Leijerstam rode her bike in Antarctica. Kate Upton sunbathed in Antarctica. Obviously people can freely go to Antarctica weather permitting. Admiral Byrd's conjecture above is unhelpful. That McMurdo–South Pole Highway is approximately 995-miles-long. Look at the map above and it is roughly a third of the way across Antarctica...so Antarctica is less than 3,000 miles across if a spherical Earth. NYC to LAX distance by air.

Can we at least agree that the McMurdo–South Pole Highway is approximately 995-miles-long inland regardless of a flat or sphere Earth?

:(??
Admiral Byrd was bearing first person witness, not conjecture. No one knows how large Antarctica is. I don't know about the M-S highway. If they say it is 995 miles who I am to argue. If you feel more secure believing that you are on a spinning ball hurling though the vacuum of space at a million miles per hour then may you take comfort in your cherished delusion, goy. I've moved on to the next level of awareness. Flat earth is just the beginning, the primer.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=63bK7AnWNWw

[Jewboo]

Admiral Byrd was bearing first person witness, not conjecture. No one knows how large Antarctica is. I don't know about the M-S highway. If they say it is 995 miles who I am to argue. If you feel more secure believing that you are on a spinning ball hurling though the vacuum of space at a million miles per hour then may you take comfort in your cherished delusion, goy. I've moved on to the next level of awareness. Flat earth is just the beginning, the primer.



Oh. Resorting to insulting ad hom already. Something you accuse others of doing in this thread my friend. How sad and hypocritical. Meanwhile...back on topic:



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F9vIj6sH-Vo


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6occ_yYs-3Y

In 2015, a 225-square-mile iceberg broke off of the Pine Island Glacier in Antarctica, and researchers at The Ohio State University have discovered that the event was no ordinary breakup. The culprit: a deep subsurface rift that cracked through the ice nearly 20 miles inland—a sign that the largest ice reserve in the world may be melting sooner rather than later.

Credit: Seongsu Jeong, Byrd Polar and Climate Research Center at The Ohio State University

:) DO YOU AT LEAST ACCEPT THE EXISTENCE OF THESE HELICOPTER AND SATELLITE IMAGES MY FRIEND?

Deep cracks are appearing inland at Pine Island Glacier in Antarctica (http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/deep-cracks-are-appearing-inland-pine-island-glacier-antarctica-1593784) <- BREAKING NEWS TODAY 11-28-2016

Why this Antarctic ice shelf is breaking up from the inside out (http://www.csmonitor.com/Environment/2016/1128/Why-this-Antarctic-ice-shelf-is-breaking-up-from-the-inside-out)<- BREAKING NEWS TODAY 11-28-2016

[Neuro]

Admiral Byrd was bearing first person witness, not conjecture. No one knows how large Antarctica is. I don't know about the M-S highway. If they say it is 995 miles who I am to argue. If you feel more secure believing that you are on a spinning ball hurling though the vacuum of space at a million miles per hour then may you take comfort in your cherished delusion, goy. I've moved on to the next level of awareness. Flat earth is just the beginning, the primer.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=63bK7AnWNWw

http://sd.keepcalm-o-matic.co.uk/i/keep-calm-and-break-on-through-to-the-other-side-11.png

[Jewboo]

I've moved on to the next level of awareness. Flat earth is just the beginning, the primer.



http://sendablequotes.com/quotes/124737.jpg

[Neuro]

Did Buzz see the edge?

Astronaut Buzz Aldrin airlifted from South Pole due to health scare
https://www.rt.com/usa/368919-buzz-aldrin-antarctica-evacuated/

[osoab]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=beCkNhOIXkg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=beCkNhOIXkg

[mamboni]

http://ifers.123.st/

good research on FE

[Jewboo]

good research...




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7XbpXbW4JaI

Maps of Antarctica are centuries old Mamboni.

:) no evil NASA way back then

[StreetsOfGold]

Maps of Antarctica BY > evil NASA

NASA MAPS = WORTHLESS

"NASA maps" are video productions (and drawings) as you get in hollywood

Hollywood and NASA = SAME people, SAME DECEPTIONS!

[mamboni]

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-e_HQ0Gb1Sc0/Vwstnt2S2sI/AAAAAAAAQ1k/8V0HnA_v7BE8lUpt1CmZh2nxGlj40VxaA/s1600/12733544_910099485773247_8109984238291719482_n.jpg

[mamboni]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7XbpXbW4JaI

Maps of Antarctica are centuries old Mamboni.

:) no evil NASA way back then
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/78/0a/96/780a9620c3dfd19439bdc7328ef1b28f.jpg

[Horn]

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/78/0a/96/780a9620c3dfd19439bdc7328ef1b28f.jpg

Venus is not shown on here, yet it is less than the distance to Africa from New York

[Neuro]

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-e_HQ0Gb1Sc0/Vwstnt2S2sI/AAAAAAAAQ1k/8V0HnA_v7BE8lUpt1CmZh2nxGlj40VxaA/s1600/12733544_910099485773247_8109984238291719482_n.jpg

I took these photos from the aeroplane to Istanbul on Sunday afternoon at around 4.30 PM at 37,000 ft altitude (or around 6 miles altitude), the sun had just gone below the cloud cover, and was illuminating the clouds from beneath. This can be easily explained from a globe earth perspective, but I wonder how a flat earth theory follower would explain it?

8748
http://gold-silver.us/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=8748&d=1481050051
8750
http://gold-silver.us/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=8750&d=1481050454

[mamboni]

I took these photos from the aeroplane to Istanbul on Sunday afternoon at around 4.30 PM at 37,000 ft altitude (or around 6 miles altitude), the sun had just gone below the cloud cover, and was illuminating the clouds from beneath. This can be easily explained from a globe earth perspective, but I wonder how a flat earth theory follower would explain it?

8748
http://gold-silver.us/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=8748&d=1481050051
8750
http://gold-silver.us/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=8750&d=1481050454

https://planetruthblog.files.wordpress.com/2016/10/fe-flat-earth-nation.jpg

[mamboni]

https://planetruthblog.files.wordpress.com/2016/10/fe-earth-books-education.jpg?w=438&h=438https://planetruthblog.files.wordpress.com/2016/09/fe-gravity-tesla-copy-2.jpg

[Horn]

Venus should appear noticibly larger when traveling at that altitude.

Well when u are atleast halfway to the moon...the moon itself only being the distance from belfast to bogner regis. and under 1k miles in flat earth. Is full of helium on a string between to keep on track.

when an lunar eclipse occurs it is only viewable in around a 2 mile perimeter...

[Jewboo]

This can be easily explained from a globe earth perspective, but I wonder how a flat earth theory follower would explain it?



http://img-9gag-fun.9cache.com/photo/a97nBBm_700b.jpg

:rolleyes:

[Jewboo]

https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-R9Vs6o40FYE/VnSagUo6GPI/AAAAAAAACQg/D30_Cm19Luo/w1200-h630-p-nu/Flat%2BEarth.jpg

This about right Mamboni ?

:)

[Horn]

http://img-9gag-fun.9cache.com/photo/a97nBBm_700b.jpg

:rolleyes:

that only appears flat because yur eyeballs are curved...

if yiur eyeballs were flat like mamboni's you would see the curve.

[osoab]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZ_PHiuMhpQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZ_PHiuMhpQ

[osoab]

I took these photos from the aeroplane to Istanbul on Sunday afternoon at around 4.30 PM at 37,000 ft altitude (or around 6 miles altitude), the sun had just gone below the cloud cover, and was illuminating the clouds from beneath. This can be easily explained from a globe earth perspective, but I wonder how a flat earth theory follower would explain it?




What direction were you traveling? South-South East?

[Jewboo]

https://i.imgur.com/alOHe4y.jpg

[osoab]

^ So someone has some printed screens on their wall depicting fake ball earth? Whoopee!

[Neuro]

What direction were you traveling? South-South East?

Yes, my window was westward. The flight from Stockholm was leaving 1 hour delayed at around 15.15 local time, and sun was setting at 14.45 at ground level, it was still up above the cloud cover, and I could enjoy a long sunset as I was traveling in a south east direction, but strangely it became dark eventually, maybe light rays have limited life expectancy, but prior to that the sun MUST have been under cloud cover at very low altitude towards the west. Must have burnt people to death in France and British isles!

[Jewboo]

https://static01.nyt.com/images/2012/02/14/science/14JPGLEN2/14JPGLEN2-jumbo.jpg

John Glenn, a freckle-faced son of Ohio who was hailed as a national hero and a symbol of the space age as the first American to orbit Earth (http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/08/us/john-glenn-dies.html?_r=0), then became a national political figure for 24 years in the Senate, died on Thursday in Columbus, Ohio. He was 95.

[Horn]

^ So someone has some printed screens on their wall depicting fake ball earth? Whoopee!

oh no how long has this osoab been flatheaded too?

[Dogman]

oh no how long has this osoab been flatheaded too?

What ?

Is he a American Indian?

Dam who knew!

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confederated_Salish_and_Kootenai_Tribes_of_the_Fla thead_Nation

;D

[Horn]

What ?

Is he a American Indian?

Dam who knew!

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confederated_Salish_and_Kootenai_Tribes_of_the_Fla thead_Nation

;D

my head kinda has a ridge running down the center,like a lizards.

i have seen nothing flat in nature, excepting some raised and shaved rocks, those were created like flaking skin though

[PatColo]

A bit offbeat show for richie allen; good on AI, paradigm shifts & more. Richie explains in the final couple mins why he didn't ask guest about FE. 28 mins


NASA Scientist "The Universe Is A Digital Hologram & May Have Been Designed By Extraterrestrials!"
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=58m4bcYLmWE
]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=58m4bcYLmWE

[Jewboo]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qzMQza8xZCc
LIVE STREAM

http://sea-eaglecam.org/forums/Smileys/default/wavey.gif from International Space Station

[osoab]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QnVQUSSUQH4Eric Dubay: Flat-Earther, Holocaust-Denier (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QnVQUSSUQH4)

[Neuro]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QnVQUSSUQH4Eric Dubay: Flat-Earther, Holocaust-Denier (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QnVQUSSUQH4)

Good way of discrediting the holocaust revisionism. I have looked 28 minutes into this video, and the only thing he was truthful about was the holohoax. He is a disinformant artist. They go through a lot to protect that narrative.

[osoab]

Good way of discrediting the holocaust revisionism. I have looked 28 minutes into this video, and the only thing he was truthful about was the holohoax. He is a disinformant artist. They go through a lot to protect that narrative.

Dude, the earth is flat.

[mamboni]

Good way of discrediting the holocaust revisionism. I have looked 28 minutes into this video, and the only thing he was truthful about was the holohoax. He is a disinformant artist. They go through a lot to protect that narrative.Sometimes you spout the most empty absurd nonsense. Do you discern anything? If Eric Dubay is disinfo, then Julian Assange must be an ET. The proof of FE is in hard data and observations collected by many serious investigators. The globe is pure invention. But you are too smug and self-deluded to learn anything new. You are at the end of your intellectual lifespan - brain dead.

[Joshua01]

Sometimes you spout the most empty absurd nonsense. Do you discern anything? If Eric Dubay is disinfo, then Julian Assange must be an ET. The proof of FE is in hard data and observations collected by many serious investigators. The globe is pure invention. But you are too smug and self-deluded to learn anything new. You are at the end of your intellectual lifespan - brain dead.

Same can be said for global warming and the bible. Truth be told, we choose to believe or not believe what we are being told because we have no way of independently verifying it.

[Neuro]

Sometimes you spout the most empty absurd nonsense. Do you discern anything? If Eric Dubay is disinfo, then Julian Assange must be an ET. The proof of FE is in hard data and observations collected by many serious investigators. The globe is pure invention. But you are too smug and self-deluded to learn anything new. You are at the end of your intellectual lifespan - brain dead.
Julian Assange most likely is an ET at this point, as in having left life at Earth. But I fail to see what that has to do with the disinfo status of Eric Dubay? What is the logic behind that assertion?

Explain the underlit clouds I posted pics of from my flight window? Clearly the photoshop of a demonstration with a Flat Earth banner isn't an explanation. Prove yourself not to be brain dead yourself.

Sheesh!

[Jewboo]

The globe is pure invention.



http://www.brucellama.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/jesusworld1.jpg

http://il9.picdn.net/shutterstock/videos/13452992/thumb/1.jpg


https://newheavenonearth.files.wordpress.com/2011/07/earth.jpg?w=640&h=446


Merry Christmas Mamboni

:)

[mamboni]

http://www.brucellama.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/jesusworld1.jpg

http://il9.picdn.net/shutterstock/videos/13452992/thumb/1.jpg


https://newheavenonearth.files.wordpress.com/2011/07/earth.jpg?w=640&h=446


Merry Christmas Mamboni

:)


Fake images, fake holiday: at least you're consistent.

[osoab]

Julian Assange most likely is an ET at this point, as in having left life at Earth. But I fail to see what that has to do with the disinfo status of Eric Dubay? What is the logic behind that assertion?

Explain the underlit clouds I posted pics of from my flight window? Clearly the photoshop of a demonstration with a Flat Earth banner isn't an explanation. Prove yourself not to be brain dead yourself.

Sheesh!

The clouds are not lit from the underside. They are being lit from behind. And if you take a level to your pic, the horizon is level. Meaning a straight line.

[osoab]

http://il9.picdn.net/shutterstock/videos/13452992/thumb/1.jpg





Merry Christmas Mamboni

:)




What, no Merry Christmas for the rest of us? Merry Christmas Book, Neuro, Mamboni, and the rest of the GSUS groupies.

Now, the pic above got me thinking. How does a compass work on the South pole? What direction is North? Or are you going to tell me that the "South" end of the magnet would be forcing the movement of the compass?
North/South poles of a compass work wonderfully with no questions on a flat map. :)

You also need to consider that the Map Shown of the "New World" is not to scale. N.A. is much smaller in relation to S.A. We "collective we/history) have been exaggerating our sizes for a long time now.

http://i2.wp.com/www.themoderngnostic.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/oie_oie_animation.gif


I like the dud in the below vid. I am still watching, but I had seen the 1st part as a 5 minute or so video before.

Start at around 2:06 to skip the intro. Intro is worth it.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fSXt7tGEvQ4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fSXt7tGEvQ4

[Jewboo]

Now, the pic above got me thinking. How does a compass work on the South pole?



http://www.funraniumlabs.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/Phil-12-24-021.jpg

Thoughtful question. What if a circling compass keeps pointing to that South Pole?

:) merry christmas osoab


Far, far away is the magnetic South Pole—the South Pole that a compass would point you to. Its current location is 1,800 miles away from the geographic South Pole, in the Southern Ocean, at a latitude of 65° S, so far north that it’s not even in the Antarctic circle. The ocean-going magnetic South Pole is naturally unmarked, but if you happen to be there, you’ll know: Your compass needle will spin aimlessly. This pole moves over time too, albeit for a different reason. The earth’s magnetic field is in constant flux, responding to shifts in the flow of the earth’s liquid metal core.

[mamboni]

http://www.funraniumlabs.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/Phil-12-24-021.jpg

Thoughtful question. What if a circling compass keeps pointing to that South Pole?

:) merry christmas osoab


Far, far away is the magnetic South Pole—the South Pole that a compass would point you to. Its current location is 1,800 miles away from the geographic South Pole, in the Southern Ocean, at a latitude of 65° S, so far north that it’s not even in the Antarctic circle. The ocean-going magnetic South Pole is naturally unmarked, but if you happen to be there, you’ll know: Your compass needle will spin aimlessly. This pole moves over time too, albeit for a different reason. The earth’s magnetic field is in constant flux, responding to shifts in the flow of the earth’s liquid metal core.This sounds more like no pole at all, both literally and per definition.

[Jewboo]

This sounds more like no pole at all, both literally and per definition.

http://modernsurvivalblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/earth-magnetic-south-1800-miles-from-true-south-pole.jpg

If we can physically circle a magnetic "Pole" with a compass somewhere in the Southern Hemisphere it disproves your flat Earth.

Your own flat Earth map uses the North Magnetic Pole as its center doesn't it?

Over the last 180 years, the North Magnetic Pole has been migrating northwestward, from Cape Adelaide in the Boothia Peninsula (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boothia_Peninsula) in 1831 to 600 kilometres (370 mi) from Resolute Bay (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resolute_Bay) in 2001.[19] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth%27s_magnetic_field#cite_note-inconstant-19) The magnetic equator is the line where the inclination is zero (the magnetic field is horizontal).



Can't have it both ways my friend.

:)


The South Magnetic Pole is the wandering point on the Earth (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth)'s Southern Hemisphere (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_Hemisphere) where the geomagnetic field (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth%27s_magnetic_field) lines are directed vertically upwards. It should not be confused with the lesser known South Geomagnetic Pole described later.

For historical reasons, the "end" of a freely hanging magnet that points (roughly) north is itself called the "north pole" of the magnet, and the other end, pointing south, is called the magnet's "south pole". Because opposite poles attract, the Earth's South Magnetic Pole is physically actually a magnetic north pole (see also North Magnetic Pole § Polarity (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Magnetic_Pole#Polarity)).
The South Magnetic Pole is constantly shifting due to changes in the Earth's magnetic field. As of 2005 it was calculated to lie at 64°31′48″S 137°51′36″E (https://tools.wmflabs.org/geohack/geohack.php?pagename=South_Magnetic_Pole&params=64_31_48_S_137_51_36_E_region:AQ_type:landm ark),[2] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Magnetic_Pole#cite_note-2) placing it off the coast of Antarctica, between Adelie Land (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adelie_Land) and Wilkes Land (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilkes_Land). In 2015 it lay at 64.28°S 136.59°E (https://tools.wmflabs.org/geohack/geohack.php?pagename=South_Magnetic_Pole&params=64.28_S_136.59_E_region:AQ_type:landmark) (est).[3] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Magnetic_Pole#cite_note-BritishGeological-3) That point lies outside the Antarctic Circle (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antarctic_Circle). Due to polar drift (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polar_drift), the pole is moving northwest by about 10 to 15 kilometers per year. Its current distance from the actual Geographic South Pole (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Pole) is approximately 2860 km.[1] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Magnetic_Pole#cite_note-NGDC-1) The nearest permanent science station is Dumont d'Urville Station (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dumont_d%27Urville_Station). Wilkes Land contains a large gravitational mass concentration (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilkes_Land_crater#Wilkes_Land_mass_concentration) .


http://www.abodia.com/fe/images/flat_earth_UN_flag.png
Why does the CENTER of your flat Earth keep moving?

Over the last 180 years, the North Magnetic Pole has been migrating northwestward, from Cape Adelaide in the Boothia Peninsula (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boothia_Peninsula) in 1831 to 600 kilometres (370 mi) from Resolute Bay (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resolute_Bay) in 2001.[19] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth%27s_magnetic_field#cite_note-inconstant-19)

[Neuro]

The clouds are not lit from the underside. They are being lit from behind. And if you take a level to your pic, the horizon is level. Meaning a straight line.

Lit from behind? LOL... Where is behind, since I clearly took these pics ABOVE the clouds?

Are we arguing semitics now?

If you are a very slight distance above a large ball, and look towards the horizon of that ball, the distance to the horizon would be equal no matter what direction you are looking at it from, thus a straight line. Being 10 km above a ball that has a diameter of 12,000 km is equal to being observing 1/100th of an inch above a basketball.

This is way above 1/100th of an inch above the basketball...
http://img-9gag-fun.9cache.com/photo/a97nBBm_700b.jpg

[Neuro]

This sounds more like no pole at all, both literally and per definition.

The Jews might as well have put you into Auschwitz and gassed you. You really are mission accomplished for them, totally adverse to the physical reality surrounding you... You are not going to believe there is a South Pole unless you see the physical pole?

[Neuro]

http://www.abodia.com/fe/images/flat_earth_UN_flag.png


I wonder if Putin knows that Australia is bigger than Russia?

[mamboni]

The Jews might as well have put you into Auschwitz and gassed you. You really are mission accomplished for them, totally adverse to the physical reality surrounding you... You are not going to believe there is a South Pole unless you see the physical pole?No one was ever "gassed" at Auschwitz. Next time, do your homework, idiot.

[mamboni]

http://modernsurvivalblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/earth-magnetic-south-1800-miles-from-true-south-pole.jpg

If we can physically circle a magnetic "Pole" with a compass somewhere in the Southern Hemisphere it disproves your flat Earth.

Your own flat Earth map uses the North Magnetic Pole as its center doesn't it?

Over the last 180 years, the North Magnetic Pole has been migrating northwestward, from Cape Adelaide in the Boothia Peninsula (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boothia_Peninsula) in 1831 to 600 kilometres (370 mi) from Resolute Bay (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resolute_Bay) in 2001.[19] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth%27s_magnetic_field#cite_note-inconstant-19) The magnetic equator is the line where the inclination is zero (the magnetic field is horizontal).



Can't have it both ways my friend.

:)



http://www.abodia.com/fe/images/flat_earth_UN_flag.png
Why does the CENTER of your flat Earth keep moving?

Over the last 180 years, the North Magnetic Pole has been migrating northwestward, from Cape Adelaide in the Boothia Peninsula (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boothia_Peninsula) in 1831 to 600 kilometres (370 mi) from Resolute Bay (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resolute_Bay) in 2001.[19] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth%27s_magnetic_field#cite_note-inconstant-19)Why do you see curvature where is is none?

[StreetsOfGold]

the earth’s liquid metal core.

Evidence or Proof of this so called "liquid metal core" ??

NONE offered, NONE available, just more FANTASY and SCIENCE FICTION spawned garbage from the forum's Spook (Jew-BOO)

[Neuro]

No one was ever "gassed" at Auschwitz. Next time, do your homework, idiot.

Do your own fuckin homework pleb. Explain the underlit clouds:
http://gold-silver.us/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=8750&d=1481050454
I have never ever claimed anyone was gassed there, it was an absurd suggestion to counter yours. Have you lost all cerebral capacity lately?

[Neuro]

Evidence or Proof of this so called "liquid metal core" ??

NONE offered, NONE available, just more FANTASY and SCIENCE FICTION spawned garbage from the forum's Spook (Jew-BOO)

It sure can be hot under surface though, and from time to time it comes out. Is it hellfire?
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/6CBnqZkascs/maxresdefault.jpg

[Jewboo]

http://www.almrsal.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/bosla.jpg


Show us your flat Earth map Mamboni then explain why a magnetic compass is used to locate your map's center.

:)

[osoab]

Lit from behind? LOL... Where is behind, since I clearly took these pics ABOVE the clouds?

Are we arguing semitics now?

If you are a very slight distance above a large ball, and look towards the horizon of that ball, the distance to the horizon would be equal no matter what direction you are looking at it from, thus a straight line. Being 10 km above a ball that has a diameter of 12,000 km is equal to being observing 1/100th of an inch above a basketball.

This is way above 1/100th of an inch above the basketball...
http://img-9gag-fun.9cache.com/photo/a97nBBm_700b.jpg


I debunk your pic. You can see curve very easily on small round objects when zoomed in.

Here is the basketball. Using the pic above is asinine. The pic was originally taken to see the dimples and appears to be blurred on purpose.

Here is a basketball below. I used 9.55" for the diameter. I zoomed in on a 1/2" at the top quadrant. I used an 1/8" circle at the quadrant for reference along with a horizontal line tangent to the quadrant.
The box and circle are 1/32". I placed that randomly.

A basketball in my basement looks to have 1/16" dimples in diameter. I eyeballed it.

http://gold-silver.us/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=8772&d=1482366801


Do your own fuckin homework pleb. Explain the underlit clouds:

I have never ever claimed anyone was gassed there, it was an absurd suggestion to counter yours. Have you lost all cerebral capacity lately?


Where was the sun when you took the pic?

It looks like it might be just below and to the right where the wing and the top of the cloud bank intersect on the left side.

This is the premise I will use.

I think that the plane is higher than both the sun and the cloud bank. What you are seeing is the glowing of the clouds due to the sun being behind them and lower.

Notice how the center of the cloud bank appears thinner than at the edges? You just don't have the angle to see the thickness in the middle. You would at a lower elevation.

It's perspective.

[Neuro]

Where was the sun when you took the pic?

It looks like it might be just below and to the right where the wing and the top of the cloud bank intersect on the left side.

This is the premise I will use.

I think that the plane is higher than both the sun and the cloud bank. What you are seeing is the glowing of the clouds due to the sun being behind them and lower.

Notice how the center of the cloud bank appears thinner than at the edges? You just don't have the angle to see the thickness in the middle. You would at a lower elevation.

It's perspective.

Yes the sun is indeed below the clouds, and I am above it. Which means that people in France and/or England should have been scorched to death in the December sun if the earth was flat, if it is a globe the phenomenon of underlit clouds could easily be explained just after sunset...

[osoab]

Yes, my window was westward. The flight from Stockholm was leaving 1 hour delayed at around 15.15 local time, and sun was setting at 14.45 at ground level, it was still up above the cloud cover, and I could enjoy a long sunset as I was traveling in a south east direction, but strangely it became dark eventually, maybe light rays have limited life expectancy, but prior to that the sun MUST have been under cloud cover at very low altitude towards the west. Must have burnt people to death in France and British isles!


Yes the sun is indeed below the clouds, and I am above it. Which means that people in France and/or England should have been scorched to death in the December sun if the earth was flat, if it is a globe the phenomenon of underlit clouds could easily be explained just after sunset...

15:15 local for Stockholm is 14:15 local time for the British Isles. The Sun is/was too low this/that time of year to have been directly overhead at 14:15 local time.

Using the distorted ball earth, the sun would have been in the middle of the North Atlantic.

If using the F.E. map, the sun would have been in the southern portion of the middle Atlantic. This works well for summertime in the Southern Hemisphere.

[Neuro]

15:15 local for Stockholm is 14:15 local time for the British Isles. The Sun is/was too low this/that time of year to have been directly overhead at 14:15 local time.

Using the distorted ball earth, the sun would have been in the middle of the North Atlantic.

If using the F.E. map, the sun would have been in the southern portion of the middle Atlantic. This works well for summertime in the Southern Hemisphere.
So do you think it is possible the sun went below cloudcover a couple of km's above the sea level.

[StreetsOfGold]

Just remember folks, the GOVERNMENT sponsored "fact check" website snopes does NOT endorsed the flat earth.

That ALONE speaks volumes!

"People are saying this is a confession of a gigantic coverup by the government and Nasa also connected to the Flat Earth theorizers."
http://www.snopes.com/buzz-aldrin-tweeted-we-are-all-in-danger-it-is-evil-itself/

According to snopes, the "fact checkers" (har har) the earth is a "spinning ball" and flat earthers are "theorizers"

[Neuro]

Just remember folks, the GOVERNMENT sponsored "fact check" website snopes does NOT endorsed the flat earth.

That ALONE speaks volumes!

"People are saying this is a confession of a gigantic coverup by the government and Nasa also connected to the Flat Earth theorizers."
http://www.snopes.com/buzz-aldrin-tweeted-we-are-all-in-danger-it-is-evil-itself/

According to snopes, the "fact checkers" (har har) the earth is a "spinning ball" and flat earthers are "theorizers"

Most reject flat earth. The fact that a cultural Marxist company like Snopes reject flat earth doesn't make it correct.

[Jewboo]

https://imgur.com/gallery/AAgmE

Mamboni: Click on the images to zoom in...

:) posted at Imgur thus morning

[mamboni]

The earth is flat. If you say it's round then shame on you because you have not done your homework. Ask any naval officer who works with tracking and targeting systems using line-of-site laser guided ordinance how such systems can routinely range sea-level targets 50 miles away, something that is impossible on a globe. Fact.

Do some reading and thinking and wake the hell up already. If you believe in the globe earth, then you are still asleep in the matrix.

I'm very disappointed the the poor level of inquiry and reasoning here. Many of you are as pigheaded and closeminded as the doctors I work with. Sadly, ignorance tends to result in shortened lifespan.

[Jewboo]

The earth is flat. If you say it's round then shame on you because you have not done your homework. Ask any naval officer who works with tracking and targeting systems using line-of-site laser guided ordinance how such systems can routinely range sea-level targets 50 miles away, something that is impossible on a globe. Fact.

Do some reading and thinking and wake the hell up already. If you believe in the globe earth, then you are still asleep in the matrix.

I'm very disappointed the the poor level of inquiry and reasoning here. Many of you are as pigheaded and closeminded as the doctors I work with. Sadly, ignorance tends to result in shortened lifespan.

Whoever disagrees with Mamboni will die young.

:) no thanks for my interesting Imgur link?

[osoab]

https://imgur.com/gallery/AAgmE

Mamboni: Click on the images to zoom in...

:) posted at Imgur thus morning


The two tracings in color look like they were traced from the pic below them (pic #8).

[mamboni]

Whoever disagrees with Mamboni will die young.

:) no thanks for my interesting Imgur link?I don't know what to make of it frankly.

[Jewboo]

I don't know what to make of it frankly.

https://www.wired.com/images_blogs/wiredscience/2012/02/lake-vostok-nsf-660x415.jpg

Russian Drill Penetrates 14-Million-Year-Old Antarctic Lake


Russian news agency Ria Novosti has reported (http://en.ria.ru/science/20120206/171176587.html) that the team penetrated Lake Vostok on Feb. 5, 2012. According to the report, the researchers stopped drilling at a depth of 3,768 meters as they reached the surface of the sub-glacial lake.After 20 years of drilling, a team of Russian researchers is close to breaching (http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/scientists-close-to-entering-vostok-antarcticas-biggest-subglacial-lake/2012/01/27/gIQAbGX0fQ_story.html) the prehistoric Lake Vostok, which has been trapped deep beneath Antarctica for the last 14 million years.

Vostok is the largest in a sub-glacial web of more than 200 lakes that are hidden 4 kilometers beneath the ice. Some of the lakes formed when the continent was much warmer and still connected to Australia. The lakes are rich in oxygen (making them oligotrophic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oligotroph)), with levels of the element some 50 times higher than what would be found in your typical freshwater lake. The high gas concentration is thought to be because of the enormous weight and pressure of the continental ice cap.


If life exists in Vostok, it will have to be an extremophile (http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2011-10/05/europa-bacteria) — a life form that has adapted to survive in extreme environments. The organism would have to withstand high pressure, constant cold, low nutrient input, high oxygen concentration and an absence of sunlight. The conditions in Lake Vostok are thought to be similar to the conditions on Jupiter’s moon Europa (http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2011-11/17/europa-lakes) and Saturn’s tiny moon Enceladus. In June, NASA probe Cassini found the best evidence yet (http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2011-06/23/enceladus-salty-seas) for a massive saltwater reservoir beneath the icy surface of Enceladus. This all means that finding life in the inhospitable depths of Vostok would strengthen the case for life in the outer solar system.


Back on planet Earth, the team at Vostok are running short on time. Antarctica’s summer will soon end and the researchers need to leave their remote base while they still can. Temperatures will drop as low as -80 degrees Celsius, grounding planes and trapping the team. They missed their chance last year. “Time is short, however. It’s possible that the drillers won’t be able to reach the water before the end of the current Antarctic summer, and they’ll need to wait another year before the process can continue,” we wrote (http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2011-01/07/russians-penetrate-lake-vostok) in January 2011. The drill halted (http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2011-02/11/lake-vostok-drilling-stopped) in February. Meanwhile, Russian engineers are planning to venture into the lake itself, with swimming robots. In the Antarctic summer of 2012 to 2013, they plan to send a robot into the lake to collect water samples and sediments from the bottom. An environmental assessment of the plan will be submitted at the Antarctic Treaty’s consultative meeting in May 2012.

https://www.wired.com/2012/02/lake-vostok-drilled/

:(?? Antarctica is why I can't buy your flat Earth theory my friend. Too many scientists from all around our world travel there all the time. They all agree it is a CONTINENT.


International Association of Antarctic Tour Operators (https://www.google.com/search?site=&tbm=isch&source=hp&biw=1536&bih=743&q=International+Association+of+Antarctic+Tour+Oper ators&oq=International+Association+of+Antarctic+Tour+Ope rators&gs_l=img.12..0j0i24k1l2.3850.11162.0.13179.2.2.0.0 .0.0.71.142.2.2.0....0...1ac.1j2.64.img..0.2.142.. .0i10i24k1.q_XynsQUn_0)

[Jewboo]

https://www.nesdis.noaa.gov/sites/default/files/assets/images/abi_full_disk_low_res_jan_15_2017.jpg


Jan 15, 2017
This composite color full-disk visible image is from 1:07 p.m. EDT on January 15, 2017 and was created using several of the 16 spectral channels available on the GOES-16 Advanced Baseline Imager (ABI) instrument. The image shows North and South America and the surrounding oceans. GOES-16 observes Earth from an equatorial view approximately 22,300 miles high, creating full disk images like these, extending from the coast of West Africa, to Guam, and everything in between.




https://www.nesdis.noaa.gov/sites/default/files/assets/images/ab_moon_from_geo_orbit_med_res_jan_15_2017.jpg


Jan 15, 2017
GOES-16 captured this view of the moon as it looked across the surface of the Earth on January 15. Like earlier GOES satellites, GOES-16 will use the moon for calibration.

LINK (https://www.nesdis.noaa.gov/content/goes-16-image-gallery) for my friend Mamboni :)

[Neuro]

https://www.nesdis.noaa.gov/sites/default/files/assets/images/abi_full_disk_low_res_jan_15_2017.jpg


Jan 15, 2017
This composite color full-disk visible image is from 1:07 p.m. EDT on January 15, 2017 and was created using several of the 16 spectral channels available on the GOES-16 Advanced Baseline Imager (ABI) instrument. The image shows North and South America and the surrounding oceans. GOES-16 observes Earth from an equatorial view approximately 22,300 miles high, creating full disk images like these, extending from the coast of West Africa, to Guam, and everything in between.

The problem with that image is that it is a composite, so from a flat earthers perspective it isn't acceptable. So either to get a full screen image at this distance, you have to use a fish eye lens, which isn't acceptable either, from flat earthers perspective, as it distorts the roundness.

Further, flat earthers would probably argue that the continents are too large in relation to the size of the globe... However this can be explained by the relative closeness of observation. If you for instance view a basketball from a foot away, you will not see 50% of the surface area, but only 30-40%, and it is the edges of the hemisphere that disappears.

The real question is why doesn't NASA have any acceptable pictures of globe earth from further away?

This one is supposedly from a lunar orbiter in Dec 2015
https://cdn.ampproject.org/ii/w560/ww2.hdnux.com/photos/42/70/22/9143473/3/375x250.jpg

Clearly it can't have been taken from the moon, as Africa is far too big in relation to globe earth. This is also a composite... Why?

[Jewboo]

https://img.4plebs.org/boards/pol/image/1421/48/1421481541374.jpg

Dark area in the center of this image is North Korea.

[osoab]

Jan 15, 2017
This composite color full-disk visible image is from 1:07 p.m. EDT on January 15, 2017 and was created using several of the 16 spectral channels available on the GOES-16 Advanced Baseline Imager (ABI) instrument. The image shows North and South America and the surrounding oceans. GOES-16 observes Earth from an equatorial view approximately 22,300 miles high, creating full disk images like these, extending from the coast of West Africa, to Guam, and everything in between.




Book, they tell you, that the image is fake. It is not a singular image.





This one is supposedly from a lunar orbiter in Dec 2015
https://cdn.ampproject.org/ii/w560/ww2.hdnux.com/photos/42/70/22/9143473/3/375x250.jpg

Clearly it can't have been taken from the moon, as Africa is far too big in relation to globe earth. This is also a composite... Why?



Why did Earth get so blue in yours Neuro? It's all fake.

[osoab]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rr8ljRgcJNM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rr8ljRgcJNM

[osoab]

https://img.4plebs.org/boards/pol/image/1421/48/1421481541374.jpg

Dark area in the center of this image is North Korea.

If Earth is completely blocking the sun, what is lighting the "craft"?

[Jewboo]

Book, they tell you, that the image is fake. It is not a singular image.



This composite color full-disk visible image is from 1:07 p.m. EDT on January 15, 2017 and was created using several of the 16 spectral channels available on the GOES-16 Advanced Baseline Imager (ABI) instrument.

:rolleyes:

[osoab]

This composite color full-disk visible image is from 1:07 p.m. EDT on January 15, 2017 and was created using several of the 16 spectral channels available on the GOES-16 Advanced Baseline Imager (ABI) instrument.

:rolleyes:

:rolleyes:

[Neuro]

Why did Earth get so blue in yours Neuro? It's all fake.
I had already figured it was fake. I'm leaning towards us, never sending any satellite/space craft outside of earth orbit.

[osoab]

I had already figured it was fake. I'm leaning towards us, never sending any satellite/space craft outside of earth orbit.

Earth orbit really is high altitude photos by planes and balloons.

[osoab]

So do you think it is possible the sun went below cloudcover a couple of km's above the sea level.

I just saw your quote and question. Nothing like being a month late.

The sun is behind the clouds from your perspective.

The sun is always above the clouds and as the sun moves away from you, the clouds end up between you and the sun when looking laterally.

[Neuro]

I just saw your quote and question. Nothing like being a month late.

The sun is behind the clouds from your perspective.

The sun is always above the clouds and as the sun moves away from you, the clouds end up between you and the sun when looking laterally.

That makes no sense unless the earth surface and thus cloud cover is curved. I am above the clouds, the sun is above the clouds. On a flat plane it doesn't matter how far the sun is from you, the clouds would never end up between you and the sun.

[Neuro]

Earth orbit really is high altitude photos by planes and balloons.

Exactly! like this one...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qzMQza8xZCc&feature=share

[osoab]

Exactly! like this one...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qzMQza8xZCc&feature=share

The snap shot with the moon in the background is fake.

Where does the lighting from the moon originate?

[Neuro]

The snap shot with the moon in the background is fake.

Where does the lighting from the moon originate?

Absolutely fake indeed!

I am looking at the live feed right now, it looks like they don't use the fish eye lense anymore, as the panel isn't curved now.

[osoab]

Absolutely fake indeed!

I am looking at the live feed right now, it looks like they don't use the fish eye lense anymore, as the panel isn't curved now.


I was just watching a bit of the live feed. Instead of a gradual light to dark, they flipped to a completely different camera angle or a different tape. It was bright one moment and then dark. Your guess as to which might be true.

[mamboni]

Why should ANY fakery, editing and sundry image manipulation be required? Think about it. Would you trust any database if the creators admitted that it's elements were altered. The entire NASA operation reeks of fraud and lies.

[Jewboo]

Why should ANY fakery, editing and sundry image manipulation be required? Think about it. Would you trust any database if the creators admitted that it's elements were altered. The entire NASA operation reeks of fraud and lies.

http://www.scopereviews.com/Orion84g.JPG

(http://www.scopereviews.com/page1z.html)Only five hundred bucks (http://www.scopereviews.com/page1z.html) and Mamboni will be believing again. With his own eyes.

:rolleyes:

[Neuro]

Why should ANY fakery, editing and sundry image manipulation be required? Think about it. Would you trust any database if the creators admitted that it's elements were altered. The entire NASA operation reeks of fraud and lies.

NASA being a largely fake organization doesn't make earth flat though. You still haven't explained the underlit clouds photo I took from the aeroplane.

[PatColo]

haven't watched, but this YTer who posted, Titus Frost (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCDHrwVzgl-vZ14wWnN1LVjQ/videos), usu has good vids :)


https://i.ytimg.com/vi/Fwdsrby3eXQ/hqdefault.jpg?custom=true&w=336&h=188&stc=true&jpg444=true&jpgq=90&sp=68&sigh=1k86mp82P7LzFzsCHQ_h1LiBWRc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fwdsrby3eXQ) 24:38
Flat Earth Debunked & Gravitational Model Debunked by The Electric Universe Model (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fwdsrby3eXQ)

557 views
2 hours ago

[osoab]

This guy is not a flat earther. He is one of the guys that have filmed/discovered the Lunar Wave.

Edit to add, he should have put examples of the ISS film failures. You can find plenty of those examples with simple searches.




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHGS19e9z6g
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHGS19e9z6g

[osoab]

haven't watched, but this YTer who posted, Titus Frost (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCDHrwVzgl-vZ14wWnN1LVjQ/videos), usu has good vids :)


https://i.ytimg.com/vi/Fwdsrby3eXQ/hqdefault.jpg?custom=true&w=336&h=188&stc=true&jpg444=true&jpgq=90&sp=68&sigh=1k86mp82P7LzFzsCHQ_h1LiBWRc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fwdsrby3eXQ) 24:38
Flat Earth Debunked & Gravitational Model Debunked by The Electric Universe Model (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fwdsrby3eXQ)



557 views
2 hours ago




I didn't like the guy. His F.E. debunking is weak. Three main points. He uses Electric Universe Theory. Most of the vid is another group's video of the Electric Universe. Then he uses boats disappearing over the horizon. I believe this is due to our limited eyesight. Break out the telescope and the ship be there. His last point was Antarctica. Did you know his dad could have gone? The Germans had a lot of beer down there too.


The E.U. is something I was really looking into before I stumbled into F.E. The dude in the vid did not mention Velikovsky. I found that odd. No mention of Saturn Death Cult either.

[osoab]

I was searching google for unedited photos of space (https://www.google.com/search?q=unedited+telescope+photos&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8#q=unedited+photos+of+space) . The 1st pic below was like the 50th pic down. Only one or two others could be possibly argued as unedited. A couple of them were just aerial shots from a plane.

The 1st pic below is an official Hubble photo from NASA (https://www.nasa.gov/content/goddard/hubble-goes-high-definition-to-revisit-iconic-pillars-of-creation/). Below that is the "touched up version" based on the 1st. From this NASA site. NASA's Spitzer, Hubble Find "Twins" of Superstar Eta Carinae in Other Galaxies (https://www.nasa.gov/feature/goddard/2016/nasas-spitzer-hubble-find-twins-of-superstar-eta-carinae-in-other-galaxies)

I went looking because I read this. Hubble: Space Doesn't Really Look Like That! (http://appscout.pcmag.com/photo-imaging/271654-hubble-space-doesn-t-really-look-like-that)
That's a whole lot of photo shop.


https://www.nasa.gov/sites/default/files/thumbnails/image/p1601a-etacaranalogs-l3k-151218.png



https://www.nasa.gov/sites/default/files/thumbnails/image/m83_twins.jpg

[Glass]

The misperception of clouds behind the Sun

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lmHQHM-eijQ

This guy has some interesting videos but he doesn't explain very well what he is looking at in some of these. I have revisited some videos 5 or 6 times over the period of several months before I've picked up exactly what he is focused on. In some I've been focused on completely other interesting things that he has captured. Anyway worth a browse of his videos. Moon surface ones are high quality detailed.

This one for instance had me focusing on the devils face in the clouds. I've only just realised he has captured something very faint coming in from the top right hand, heading toward the cloud which looks like a face.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RTQmk4RSGRc

You will need to watch it several times to see the object because it is not highlighted. But the cloud face is definitely freaky.

[osoab]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y94j7F14TEc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y94j7F14TEc

[Neuro]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y94j7F14TEc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y94j7F14TEc

I checked NASA blog for ISS, this reply was given as to how these Jerseys got there. Apparently Elon Musk did it earlier, if one can believe that...


Mark Garcia
February 2, 2017 at 1:17 pm
All 32 team jerseys were flown to the station on the SpaceX Dragon spacecraft.
https://blogs.nasa.gov/spacestation/2017/02/01/astronauts-welcome-super-bowl-fans-and-explore-gut-microbes/#comments

[Jewboo]

https://media.8ch.net/file_store/31c8def78437695347248a5c8fa6f53ed6558991180c35a11a 6b4dbf321ac41a.webm

:D

[osoab]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C4wZ4JUWcAAcn35.jpg:large

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C32MniGUcAEdmvj.jpg

[Neuro]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C4wZ4JUWcAAcn35.jpg:large

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C32MniGUcAEdmvj.jpg

How the fuck did the aliens get through the firmament to crop circle that?

Anyhow flat earthers must be fucking stupid beyond recognition if they fail to see that the sun actually goes down under the horizon every evening! It doesn't just suddenly fade away. It goes under the fucking horizon!

http://blog.ryanair.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/ibiza-sunset.jpg

[StreetsOfGold]

It goes under the fucking horizon!

Is there some reason you're angry with the horizon?
Why are you CUSSING at it?

If you were on a flat earth (you are) and the sun was traveling OVER the earth (it is) this is EXACTLY how the sun would appear to look as it traveled AWAY from your LIMITED range of eyesight!

Expressing anger at the horizon accomplishes nothing!

[Neuro]

Is there some reason you're angry with the horizon?
Why are you CUSSING at it?

If you were on a flat earth (you are) and the sun was traveling OVER the earth (it is) this is EXACTLY how the sun would appear to look as it traveled AWAY from your LIMITED range of eyesight!

Expressing anger at the horizon accomplishes nothing!

Thank you for confirming my suspicion.


Anyhow flat earthers must be fucking stupid beyond recognition...

[mamboni]

A bit long in the tooth and esoteric, but all in all a damn good dissertation. Stay with it.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HxyiV35nPyw

[mamboni]

How the fuck did the aliens get through the firmament to crop circle that?

Anyhow flat earthers must be fucking stupid beyond recognition if they fail to see that the sun actually goes down under the horizon every evening! It doesn't just suddenly fade away. It goes under the fucking horizon!

http://blog.ryanair.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/ibiza-sunset.jpgYour eyes are being fooled by perspective my friend.

[mamboni]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y94j7F14TEc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y94j7F14TEcThe Space station is a fraud, a fiction, a Disneyesque production, that is obvious to all but the blind.

[osoab]

The earth is flat, vandal writes on Riverside's Mount Rubidoux (http://www.pe.com/articles/cruz-825528-city-workers.html)
http://images.onset.freedom.com/pressenterprise/gallery/ole8ji-b88896585z.120170214180419000gmelknqv.10.jpghttp://images.onset.freedom.com/pressenterprise/gallery/ole8ji-b88896585z.120170214180419000gojlkr6b.10.jpg


By IMRAN GHORI / STAFF WRITER Published: Feb. 14, 2017 Updated: Feb. 15, 2017 5:09 p.m.

In the past few weeks, an unusual message began showing up along the northwestern side of Riverside’s Mount Rubidoux.
In large letters, someone had carved into the grass the words, in all capitals: “GOOGLE FLAT EARTH.”
Huh?
Adolfo Cruz, the city’s director of parks, recreation and community services, says employees have met the man they think is responsible and know his motive.
“The gentleman was telling the staff member that we live on a flat earth,” said Cruz, who added that the man was very passionate about that viewpoint.
City parks workers began noticing the words – created by removing grass – about a month ago, Cruz said. Employees had just reseeded the hillside near Carlson Dog Park where the 10-by-4-foot letters were carved, he said.
Parks workers reseeded the hill again. But the culprit began writing the words again and larger – this time 25 feet by 10 feet, Cruz said. The carvings likely took “hours and hours of work,” he said.
“He’s done quite a bit of damage there that will cause further damage when it rains and it creates erosion,” Cruz said.
Parks workers saw the man they believe is the culprit at least once before, Cruz said. Also, a city employee saw him again Monday coming down the hill, he said.
The man wore an orange vest and carried a shovel and pick, he said. The employee confronted the man and shot video of the encounter on his phone.
Because of concerns about the man’s mental state, Cruz told workers to let police handle the situation. The city gave police the video and a license plate number for the man’s car.
Riverside police spokesman Officer Ryan Railsback said officers are investigating. The suspect could be cited for vandalism or violating a city ordinance, he said.
Cruz said the city is calculating its costs, estimated at $400, and could seek reimbursement from the suspect.
City workers already have worked to make the words illegible and are reseeding the area again.
“It will grow back, but we just want him to stop,” he said.

[Neuro]

Your eyes are being fooled by perspective my friend.

Tell that to your own lying eyes!

[Glass]

You need 7 points to find a position in 3D space.

https://sagesigmaunbounddotcom.files.wordpress.com/2017/02/monad9.jpg?w=640

Can I get God to do my tax return? The universe is....... Elementary?
https://sagesigmaunbound.com/2017/02/15/don-draper-and-ai-the-illumined-cube-prepares-taxes/#more-14911

[Joshua01]

I see this argument drift into pissing contests all over the place. I fail to see what a flat or a round Earth has to do with me and the price of potatoes!

Who gives a rat's ass what shape it is? I got bigger problems to figure out without needing to know, beyond a shadow of a doubt....whatever the cost... what shape the Earth is in.(Well, that's actually a different discussion but, you know what I mean) Be the Earth flat or be it round, I always get where I want to go, the Sun rises and sets, the weather and environment supports human life quite comfortably....I'm good!
The earth is flat. If you say it's round then shame on you because you have not done your homework. Ask any naval officer who works with tracking and targeting systems using line-of-site laser guided ordinance how such systems can routinely range sea-level targets 50 miles away, something that is impossible on a globe. Fact.

Do some reading and thinking and wake the hell up already. If you believe in the globe earth, then you are still asleep in the matrix.

I'm very disappointed the the poor level of inquiry and reasoning here. Many of you are as pigheaded and closeminded as the doctors I work with. Sadly, ignorance tends to result in shortened lifespan.

[Glass]

Several people from different locations on the "globe" are taking video/photos at the same time. The resultant images are along the lines of those in Shami's post.
Except!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ryuqvfg6FbA
Something potentially interesting being observed. Reading the comments is interesting. The gist is: viewing the moon from 2 different locations at the same time should result in slightly different surface areas being visible to each observer. Not just upside down vs right side up. But craters/surface area should be visible to one observer and not to another and vice versa.

This might be completely a factor of the distance both observers are from the moon and the size of it. IMO this should be testable using scale models.



http://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/62391716

http://img.4plebs.org/boards/pol/image/1454/04/1454046660845.jpg

Beside Niggers, is there a stupider group of people than flat earth theorists?
Just glance looking at this image it does raise the question of how is that possible. it then takes a bit of sitting and thinking about this to see the start of a different conclusion. A lot of people are not going to think long enough about what is shown, to even consider there are other ways to look at this image.

It takes a bit of abstract and spacial thinking. Having not paid much attention to where the moon is and the path it traverses when in the northern hemisphere. Here in the southern part of Australia the moon traverses a path to the north. It is either just north or very north. It is almost directly above some times of the year or it is off to the north other times.

In the more northern parts of the northern hemisphere does the moon track more south or is it more over head in the sky.

If it was hangning out there in line with the equator, notherners would be looking down or south-ish at it and obviously we would be looking north at it. Hence the difference of appearance.... that it is being looked at from the top side down and down side up.

Man it is hard to put into words.

[Glass]

North South Circumnavigation.
I've said that there were no true north south circumnavigations of earth. Based on the paths traveled by those who claimed to circumnavigate the globe across both poles, it looked like they went up/down one side to a pole then traveled up/down the same side to the other pole. i.e. up/down west coast Americas then up/down east coast Americas. Same for the African continent. No one appears to have gone over the top of both poles in a more or less straight line.

I've also stated that I didn't believe Fiennes is a legitimate north south circumnavigator. My reasons were: distance traveled was far in excess of the circumference of the globe AND there was no map available. I'm going from memory on the map. I would need to search a bit more on this thread to confirm I didn't see a map or that no one else posted one. It's possible someone has and I don't recall. Please feel free to clear that up for me if you can.

I found this one when getting side tracked trying to find the North Pole on google earth. (Hint for Google: It should be at the top somewhere.)

I can't embed the image: So here's a link (http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=c%3Ared%2Clhr-CPT-nzsp-akl-syd-lax-yvr-62.598611+N+164.8+W-68.560384+N+101.337891+W-82.249855+N+59.765625+W-90+n+0+w-lhr%0D%0Ac%3Acyan%2C90+n+0+w-90+s+0+w%0D%0Ac%3Acyan%2C90+n+180+w-90+s+180+w&MS=wls&MP=r&PC=green&DU=mi)

It purports to be based on the "official" expedition map, which is unavailable at this time (http://www.transglobe-expedition.org/page/the-expedition) and that Fiennes circumnavigated across both poles. However I'm still confused by the Distances traveled. They are on the first page I linked. I can't replicate them here because its a table that gets messed up. What I don't understand are the 2 x 12,430 mile legs that appear to be included as part of the journey. They only have co-ordinates of:
90:00N 0:00E 90:00S 0:00E 180 degrees (S) 183 degrees (S) 12,430 mi
90:00N 180:00E 90:00S 180:00E 180 degrees (S) 183 degrees (S) 12,430 mi

I don't know what that means. The miles are included in the Total miles traveled. It's almost as if, they started at the North Pole and traveled to the South Pole down one side of the earth. Then Jumped on a plane, flew back to the North Pole and journeyed down another side back to the South Pole. But the map doesn't demonstrate that kind of journey, only the 11 legs that make up some 31,400 miles.

If someone could take a look and maybe offer an idea what it implies that would be appreciated.

[osoab]

http://transglobe-expedition.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2014/06/globe.gif

I think the above was the image you were looking for.

[Bigjon]

Out here in farm land we try to put down straight lines on a curved surface and we can only go so far and we have to change direction or leave a chunk out.

If the world were flat we would not need surveyors and maps and roads and farm plats would be so easy to lay out.

Minnesota is curved both north and south and east and west.

[osoab]

Out here in farm land we try to put down straight lines on a curved surface and we can only go so far and we have to change direction or leave a chunk out.

If the world were flat we would not need surveyors and maps and roads and farm plats would be so easy to lay out.

Minnesota is curved both north and south and east and west.

Radial lines would cause that on a FE map too. North is dead center. Just like spokes from a bicycle.

[Bigjon]

Radial lines would cause that on a FE map too. North is dead center. Just like spokes from a bicycle.

Yep, I kind of forgot about that.
Now I'm trying to visualize how lines would converge with north to south curved or not?

[Bigjon]

About ten to fifteen years back I remember there was a young girl who sailed around the world down at the south pole. I can't remember is she made it all the way, seems like she ran into trouble is that area between Argentina and Antarctica.

[Glass]

Yep, I kind of forgot about that.
Now I'm trying to visualize how lines would converge with north to south curved or not?

The problem might be the squaring of the circle.
http://www-history.mcs.st-and.ac.uk/history/HistTopics/Squaring_the_circle.html

[Jewboo]

https://img.4plebs.org/boards/pol/image/1486/28/1486280302280.jpg


:)

[Bigjon]

The problem might be the squaring of the circle.
http://www-history.mcs.st-and.ac.uk/history/HistTopics/Squaring_the_circle.html

Since the world is flat you should be able to look up and see Polaris in your northern sky.

Sometimes called the North star, but I'll bet Aussies can't see it, just like I can't see the Southern Cross from my perch on this flat spot at roughly 44 degrees North latitude.

I was recently in Machu Picchu, but was not aware that I could have looked for myself. OO)~

[osoab]

I think we are able to "flatout" say that we don't know what the map looks like. The Mercator map (https://www.google.com/search?q=Mercator+map&spell=1&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjO-K_J7tTSAhUTySYKHcA-DcYQvwUIGSgA&biw=1920&bih=946) sucks balls. The UN map isn't correct. It's almost like it is deliberate.

[Jewboo]

I think we are able to "flatout" say that we don't know what the map looks like. The Mercator map (https://www.google.com/search?q=Mercator+map&spell=1&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjO-K_J7tTSAhUTySYKHcA-DcYQvwUIGSgA&biw=1920&bih=946) sucks balls. The UN map isn't correct. It's almost like it is deliberate.

https://img.4plebs.org/boards/pol/image/1489/45/1489454138398.jpg

[monty]

Russia debunks flat earth theory


http://youtu.be/4NbOEm_OrZA

https://youtu.be/4NbOEm_OrZA

[mamboni]

Russia debunks flat earth theory


http://youtu.be/4NbOEm_OrZA

https://youtu.be/4NbOEm_OrZA
LOL - so fake.
Earth is flat.

[osoab]

Russia debunks flat earth theory



So we are supposed to trust the Russians?