Pope declares that hell is a myth and stands at odds with the concept of a loving Go

[Serpo]

Its all different now ,what we said for all those centuries



..........take no notice of it, it was all a lie..............




Pope declares that hell is a myth and stands at odds with the concept of a loving God (http://www.nigerianwatch.com/news/7231-pope-declares-that-hell-is-a-myth-and-stands-at-odds-with-the-concept-of-a-loving-god)

Wednesday, 24 June 2015 07:46


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http://www.nigerianwatch.com/images/stories/pope%20francis%20i%20ii.jpgPOPE Francis has started another fierce debate within the Catholic Church by stating that the concept of a burning hell where people burn eternally cannot be Christian as it goes against the concept of a loving and passionate God.

Over recent months, Pope Francis has been speaking a lot about how Christianity should be loving and caring, challenging a lot of the orthodox views held by the church establishment. Only last week, he challenged weapons manufacturers who claim they are Christians, saying that their work clashed with their faith and as such they cannot call themselves Christian.

Recently named Man of The Year by Time Magazine, Pope Francis has sparked off another debate with controversial remarks at the Third Vatican Council that just held. In what was the largest and most important Catholic gathering of priests since the Second Vatican Council in 1962, Pope Francis also challenged the concept of Adam and Eve.

Pope Francis said: “Through humility, soul searching, and prayerful contemplation we have gained a new understanding of certain dogmas. The church no longer believes in a literal hell where people suffer as this doctrine is incompatible with the infinite love of God.

"God is not a judge but a friend and a lover of humanity and God seeks not to condemn but only to embrace. Like the fable of Adam and Eve, we see hell as a literary device and hell is merely a metaphor for the isolated soul, which like all souls ultimately will be united in love with God.”

In a shocking speech that is reverberating across the world, Pope Francis declared that all religions are true because they are true in the hearts of all those who believe in them. He added that in the past, the church has been harsh on those it deemed morally wrong or sinful but it can no longer judge people today.

"Like a loving father, we never condemn our children. Our church is big enough for heterosexuals and homosexuals, for the pro-life and the pro-choice.

"For conservatives and liberals, even communists are welcome and have joined us. We all love and worship the same God,” Pope Francis added.

Over the last six months, Catholic cardinals, bishops and theologians have been deliberating in the Vatican City, in discussing the future of the church and redefining long-held Catholic doctrines and dogmas. A few cardinals in the Catholic Church are against Pope Francis’ latest declarations that has split opinion within the faith.

http://www.nigerianwatch.com/news/7231-pope-declares-that-hell-is-a-myth-and-stands-at-odds-with-the-concept-of-a-loving-god

[Glass]

The question still remains: Which God?

[Serpo]

The question still remains: Which God?

Which God? who cares its your reality so its you , glass.....................


religions live in a dream world , one which humanity is waking up from

[Silver Rocket Bitches!]

So do we now have a Vatican III? Are they once again rewriting Catholicism to fit an ever changing and ever liberal society?

[Serpo]

So do we now have a Vatican III? Are they once again rewriting Catholicism to fit an ever changing and ever liberal society?

Yes the past was a bunch of BS and lies that lasted centuries , but you can trust us now...hahahaha


all those 68 million people we killed(different thread) where for no reason , but hey......ya get that

[StreetsOfGold]

The pope, the visible leader of the LARGEST and longest standing government in the world is a liar, a deceiver and an Anti Christ
always has been and always will be.

The Jesuit order in particular are the architects of a world wide propaganda machine to get everyone to point the fingers at one SMALL, insignificant ethnicity, (Jews) in which the God of the Bible gave promises to as the SCAPEGOAT and "cause" of the world's "woes" to take the world's eyes OFF THEM, Vatican CITY ....
and the suckers here, on this forum, (not all of you) eat this propaganda up like a dog eating his own vomit!!

[7th trump]

The pope, the visible leader of the LARGEST and longest standing government in the world is a liar, a deceiver and an Anti Christ
always has been and always will be.

The Jesuit order in particular are the architects of a world wide propaganda machine to get everyone to point the fingers at one SMALL, insignificant ethnicity, (Jews) in which the God of the Bible gave promises to as the SCAPEGOAT and "cause" of the world's "woes" to take the world's eyes OFF THEM, Vatican CITY ....
and the suckers here, on this forum, (not all of you) eat this propaganda up like a dog eating his own vomit!!

So many errors in that post to even address.

Actually the pope is correct.
Hell doesnt exist until it is opened and those who dont overcome are thrown in and destroyed...then its closed up and will be no more.

[ShortJohnSilver]

So basically, there is an atheist journalist in Italy, who conducted the interview in question, in Italian. And it is the translations/mis-translations that have led the day on this subject.

http://remnantnewspaper.com/web/index.php/fetzen-fliegen/item/1611-did-pope-francis-just-deny-the-existence-of-hell

This appears to be more balanced, though it is still heretical.

This article:

https://www.lifesitenews.com/blogs/about-that-pope-francis-interview-where-he-denied-the-existence-of-hell

claims that Scalfari does not use an audio recorder during his interviews and that he admitted that he reconstructs quotes from memory.

"However, an October 2013 interview created a firestorm after which the Vatican pulled the interview from their site and Scalfari admitted that his writings are reconstructions from memory, as he does not use a recorder or take notes."

Myself, I don't trust him, or Catholicism in general (many Catholics don't understand what it means to be Christian - though many Protestants don't, either).

[singular_me]

death is another reality that we cannot fathom, until we actually die... but I do believe that in this other reality the good vs evil is taken at an other level but at every level, the soul is still FREE to choose.... as above so below and to infinity.

[Horn]

Pro-choice? Was that part translated well?

Seems more of a stunner than hell's elimination.

Evil is a label to dramatize acts of selfishness, most of the time removing them to some "untouchable" level.

[expat4ever]

More than likely this is the original religion. All these new age religions sprung up from it and Thoths teachings. When Thoth returns this time he's gonna be pissed. https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLkpSrtJG4ZZ-hYb_aZqj1LF1WxQa9QlYl

[crimethink]

The Jesuit order in particular are the architects of a world wide propaganda machine to get everyone to point the fingers at one SMALL, insignificant ethnicity, (Jews) in which the God of the Bible gave promises to as the SCAPEGOAT and "cause" of the world's "woes" to take the world's eyes OFF THEM, Vatican CITY ....
and the suckers here, on this forum, (not all of you) eat this propaganda up like a dog eating his own vomit!!

Hey, John Hagee, is that you?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ktH3eknsak


People of the Book = Israelites & Judeans

People of the Devil = modern "Jews" (John 8:44, 1 John 2:22-23)

The religion of Moses is now called Christianity.

The promises to Abraham's seed are enjoyed by his descendants, called Christians.

The Jews infiltrated the Roman church, and created the Jesuits as a Fifth Column within the institution. For all its great faults, the Catholic church served God's will for centuries, despite being in error on doctrine. However, since World War II, and particularly, Vatican II, the Catholic church is a tool of World Jewry, largely due to the "guilt" of Catholics for the Holocaust™. This new pope is clearly an anti-Christ.

[General of Darkness]

I've been doing a lot of research on this "Pope", I have come to the conclusion that he is the anti-pope or last pope.

[ShortJohnSilver]

I've been doing a lot of research on this "Pope", I have come to the conclusion that he is the anti-pope or last pope.

According to the prophecy, there is one more....

[madfranks]

According to the prophecy, there is one more....

The St. Malachi prophecy? According to that, I thought the current pope was the last one.

[crimethink]

According to the prophecy, there is one more....

Francis is probably "Peter the Roman" (or else, Malachy was a false prophet). Benedict XVI was "Glory of the Olive(s)." Prophecy is not always literal in description...Francis is just "the rock of Rome."

[midnight rambler]

Good to see you again Fred, where ya been??

[crimethink]

Good to see you again Fred, where ya been??

Clearing my mind & heart. Thanks!

[midnight rambler]

Clearing my mind & heart. Thanks!

We all need to do that from time to time. Glad to see you posting again.

[Shami-Amourae]

Clearing my mind & heart. Thanks!

You know I had to step up and be the biggest Shitlord on this forum. That's out of my place. I'm young and unpolished.

That's your job now. Have fun.

[crimethink]

More than likely this is the original religion. All these new age religions sprung up from it and Thoths teachings. When Thoth returns this time he's gonna be pissed. https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLkpSrtJG4ZZ-hYb_aZqj1LF1WxQa9QlYl

Atlantis is a pagan metaphor for Noah's world that sunk beneath the seas. Thoth the Atlantian may be based on Noah, but with radically corrupted teachings from what Noah brought forth.

The New Atlantis is a Judeo-Freemasonic meme, first put forth, at least in relatively modern times, by Francis Bacon.

When one of the faces of the hidden world rulers speaks of "the New World Order," they refer to the New Atlantis.

The New Atlantis was formally founded in 1776, and committed to Satan's plan fully in 1789.

Of course, the New Atlantis was founded in the Land of the Plumed Serpent, Amaruca, which we now know as "America."

This New Atlantis, centered on the literal "Great City" of New York, but extending across the planet, is known as Mystery Babylon in St. John's Revelation.

Christ warned us about the New Atlantis, when he said the End would be "as in the days of Noah." In other words, a demonic resurrection of the old Atlantis, where the "thoughts of their hearts were only evil continually."


"When our Founders declared a new order of the ages, they were acting on an ancient hope that is meant to be fulfilled."

-- George W. Bush (seen declaring this in these videos)


Trailer:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-LNzeb7-ewc


Entire documentary:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ICeJN5dbOU

[Shami-Amourae]

Is there anything that would convince you that the Christian mythos is basically all wrong?

[crimethink]

Is there anything that would convince you that the Christian mythos is basically all wrong?

No, anymore than you can convince me that fire is cold or 2 + 2 = 5.

Jesus Christ was who He said He was. It pains me that you accept the Jewish lies that He was a myth and/or liar. Pains me for both His sake...and yours.

[Shami-Amourae]

No, anymore than you can convince me that fire is cold or 2 + 2 = 5.

Jesus Christ was who He said He was. It pains me that you accept the Jewish lies that He was a myth and/or liar. Pains me for both His sake...and yours.

I think Christianity is the foundation of egalitarianism and the idiotic/rampant Pathological Altruism of today.

I think Jews are completely retarded for hating Christians since Christians have been the biggest cucks for them ever.

[crimethink]

I think Christianity is the foundation of egalitarianism and the idiotic/rampant Pathological Altruism of today.

I think Jews are completely retarded for hating Christians since Christians have been the biggest cucks for them ever.

You speak of Judeo-"Christianity." This Judeo-"Christianity" has existed since the time of Christ, but is most notorious & pathological since the Holocaust™ myth has became part of the new "humanist" religion.

Jesus Christ is the greatest "anti-Semite" of all time. John 8:44 - calling those who follow what is now the known as the Talmud "sons of their father the Devil." And St. John explained very clearly that all Judeo-"Christians" are in grave error, when he warned that those who do not profess Christ (the Messiah) do not have the Father, and are anti-Christ. I John 2:22-23.

The Talmud Jew is, above all, a materialist. All modern materialist ideologies, including anti-Christianity, are the product of the Talmud. Marxism being the quintessential materialist anti-Christianty.

[Serpo]

Is there anything that would convince you that the Christian mythos is basically all wrong?

What like the estimation that the catholic church has been responsible for 68 million deaths.

[expat4ever]

Sadly there arent any Egyption accounts of Moses being thrown out of Egypt or saving his people from Egypt or whatever it was supposed to be. In fact there are no references to moses in Egypt at all.


Atlantis is a pagan metaphor for Noah's world that sunk beneath the seas. Thoth the Atlantian may be based on Noah, but with radically corrupted teachings from what Noah brought forth.
Tell that to Hermes Trismegistus. When he gets back from the halls of Amenti he will want a word with you.

[Shami-Amourae]

Sadly there arent any Egyption accounts of Moses being thrown out of Egypt or saving his people from Egypt or whatever it was supposed to be. In fact there are no references to moses in Egypt at all.


Tell that to Hermes Trismegistus. When he gets back from the halls of Amenti he will want a word with you.

Repost:
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[crimethink]

Sadly there arent any Egyption accounts of Moses being thrown out of Egypt or saving his people from Egypt or whatever it was supposed to be. In fact there are no references to moses in Egypt at all.

Gee, you mean the Egyptians didn't put up monuments about their greatest embarrassment and defeats? Just like the Soviet Union didn't put up monuments bragging about Katyn & inventing the "gas chambers" at Auschwitz?

The Egyptians even attempted to erase the history of Akhenhaton, one of their greatest Pharaohs.

Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.




Tell that to Hermes Trismegistus. When he gets back from the halls of Amenti he will want a word with you.

I can ask him if he needs a fire extinguisher.

[crimethink]

Repost:
http://s16.postimg.org/9dupd9nh1/1433776130460.png

Yahoo! "Answers" (sic)? Seriously?

http://s4.postimg.org/z0ne6w6bx/hoaxocaust.jpg

See my previous post. If the Egyptians attempted to erase one of their greatest Pharaohs, Akhenaton, why wouldn't they erase, or even never record, what they'd really rather forget?

[Shami-Amourae]

The Jews didn't mention the Pharaoh's name. It would be in their interest to do that to show how they historically triumphed over the Egyptians if that narrative is true.

[crimethink]

The Jews didn't mention the Pharaoh's name. It would be in their interest to do that to show how they historically triumphed over the Egyptians if that narrative is true.

The "Jews" didn't live in Pharaoh's time. You mean the Israelites?

Acts 25:10-12 doesn't mention Caesar's name, either. Does that prove anything? No. Everyone knows "Pharaoh" or "Caesar" means the kings of Egypt or Rome, respectively. Just like some people say "the President" instead of "Barack Obama," but the latter is understood.

[expat4ever]

The nephelim are mentioned briefly, methusela is mentioned as having lived about 900 years. Moses supposedly got to be a few centuries old as well or maybe it was noah. (And how the fuck did he build that boat anyway? Thing was like a small aircraft carrier and he did it by hand? ) I would think giving the most advanced civilization in history a little mention would be in order as well.
In your defense you are correct, lots of things are omitted, like how they built the freakin pyramids or what their purpose was. The Egyptions did however leave a history of their kings in 2 places. One was the Turin stone which is located in Italy and the other is located in France now I think. I forget the name of it.

There were also like 50 books left out of the bible so many of these things may have been mentioned in there, we just dont have access to them. The vatican has about a gazillion books in their library, why I have no idea. Seems like they need a bible and not much else but if I could understand ancient languages I wouldnt mind spending some time in that library.

That whole time period is a bit cloudy to me. What was this transition period when Egypt finally fell or whatever they did. There's no written account by anyone of the most impressive buildings on the planet being built? Seems a bit odd.

Anyway, back to the jews. If they were slaves did they build the pyramids?

[crimethink]

The nephelim are mentioned briefly, methusela is mentioned as having lived about 900 years. Moses supposedly got to be a few centuries old as well or maybe it was noah. (And how the fuck did he build that boat anyway? Thing was like a small aircraft carrier and he did it by hand? ) I would think giving the most advanced civilization in history a little mention would be in order as well.
In your defense you are correct, lots of things are omitted, like how they built the freakin pyramids or what their purpose was. The Egyptions did however leave a history of their kings in 2 places. One was the Turin stone which is located in Italy and the other is located in France now I think. I forget the name of it.

There were also like 50 books left out of the bible so many of these things may have been mentioned in there, we just dont have access to them. The vatican has about a gazillion books in their library, why I have no idea. Seems like they need a bible and not much else but if I could understand ancient languages I wouldnt mind spending some time in that library.

That whole time period is a bit cloudy to me. What was this transition period when Egypt finally fell or whatever they did. There's no written account by anyone of the most impressive buildings on the planet being built? Seems a bit odd.

Anyway, back to the jews. If they were slaves did they build the pyramids?

We cannot have a meaningful discussion if you use their terminology and mythology. "The Jews" did not exist in the time of Moses.

I am not a Churchian but a Christian, so I don't subscribe to all the doctrines proclaimed by "church councils" and so on. Neither do I believe that the Bible is inerrant or necessarily complete (for example, Jude cites the Book of Enoch, which partially addresses your question about Noah's world - the Book of Enoch is considered "uninspired" and was therefore left out of the current canon of the Bible). The Word of God is not "the Bible" - it's Jesus Christ Himself (John 1:1). The Bible contains the Word of God, but is not ipso facto the Word of God.

Our current world, based on materialism, which has been shaped most notably by Talmudism, dispenses with the "supernatural." Miracles are considered "unscientific," other currently-unanswerable questions are ignored, and even God's existence is dismissed as "unprovable and therefore He 'must be' non-existent". I once laughed at the Trinity, that God could be Three Persons in One, and then I learned about Quantum Superposition, a physics doctrine that is accepted by all "mainstream" scientists, and I came to the conclusion of how much a fool I was to dismiss the Trinity merely because I couldn't understand it before.

Christianity is not based on demonstrable proof of every event, phenomenon, or statement in the Bible. It's faith in Jesus Christ, and Yahweh who sent Him. Jesus has convinced me that He was Who He said He was, and I accept, on faith, that all the rest of what is important will be revealed to me as necessary. Those who idolize the Bible have caused the current situation we find ourselves in, where the Bible is presented as "inerrant," a doctrine of error that easily leads those who do not believe to bring down the entire dogmatic edifice if one error can be demonstrated.

How did Noah build the Ark? I don't know. Could it be done? Yes - and it has been repeated. Were the Nephilim real? Yes - and the demons of the Bible are still with us; people now call them "extraterrestrials," and that they are, not from this world. UFO scientists (not loonies but those who actually apply the scientific method), like Jacques Vallee and the late John Keel, have shown how "demonic possession" and "alien encounters" are identical, even down to the "odors of Hell" (now described as both sulfurous and ionized).

[expat4ever]

I wont debate you on your faith. I think we are all entitled to our beliefs and I strongly encourage everyone to stand by their convictions. I have had very long conversations with my christian neighbor. We do listen to each other and in the end are pretty close in our beliefs. However he uses a book to come to his conclusions and I use nature to come to mine. One thing I have noticed is that in the book, whoever wrote it, they are spot on when it comes to the natural world and the harmonies of nature.

As for Noah and his boat. I'm not so sure about that. I had a friend who built a sailboat, I even did some work on it.. It was only about 30' long and it was beautiful but he spent like 8 years on it. That was buying lumber already processed. I cant imagine buildinng something like an ark and having to cut the trees down by hand. Then saw them into lumber by hand, then machine each board by hand to fit then and then assemble the whole thing so it floats. To be honest I cant imagine even cutting all the trees down in one lifetime to build something like that. Would love to see how someone else recreated that.

[crimethink]

I wont debate you on your faith. I think we are all entitled to our beliefs and I strongly encourage everyone to stand by their convictions. I have had very long conversations with my christian neighbor. We do listen to each other and in the end are pretty close in our beliefs. However he uses a book to come to his conclusions and I use nature to come to mine. One thing I have noticed is that in the book, whoever wrote it, they are spot on when it comes to the natural world and the harmonies of nature.


Thank you. Many insist the Bible is "unscientific" and "technologically backward," yet, Job stated God "hangs the Earth upon nothing," correctly indicating Earth "sails" through space, connected physically to nothing, and, Isaiah stated God reigns over the curved Earth, correctly indicating Earth is not flat as many later assumed.




As for Noah and his boat. I'm not so sure about that. I had a friend who built a sailboat, I even did some work on it.. It was only about 30' long and it was beautiful but he spent like 8 years on it. That was buying lumber already processed. I cant imagine buildinng something like an ark and having to cut the trees down by hand. Then saw them into lumber by hand, then machine each board by hand to fit then and then assemble the whole thing so it floats. To be honest I cant imagine even cutting all the trees down in one lifetime to build something like that. Would love to see how someone else recreated that.

You are making an assumption that Noah's time was "the stone age," with less-than-Flintstones technology. In fact, the ancient world had advanced technology, not as advanced as ours perhaps, but they created things we still don't understand. The Antikythera Device is the most notable of such technology, though newer than Noah, "only" 2200 years old. There is much older stuff, phenomenal artifacts beneath the sea.

[Serpo]

Believing in stuff......for what , peace of mind.

Its only when I have nothing at all too believe that I get peace of mind.

A belief can become a fixation, and a fixation can become a mentally disturbing product.


Unless ye become as little children ...................that means throwing any garbage the mind invents out and seeing reality , now this very minute .

And is any one capable of going outside and playing and having some fun..........

I love playing with the kitten , love the chooks , oh yea love the wife ,love my place ,love my family,love the flower , sun light on the leaves,nature, the world,the universe the creator behind all things ,love it all ect ect love everything more and more so in the end in each day there is nothing you dont love.

Thoughts run rampant through the mind from fear , any sort of fear will do.

Its only when the mind stops its madness that we have peace.

And once we have peace , love is always close by.

Its not rocket science........(but it seems to be).......haha



The catholc church has just gone from believing one thing and now they believe another thing.

This is an example of the futility of beliefs.

Why should anyone care about what everyone should believe unless they have an ulterior motive.


Its such a bitch being ourselves people have found ways of escaping from this 24/7 by believing in something, anything , apart from our selves and I guarantee in the end that this is impossible method to gain ultimate success from.

The answer is outside of ourselves ......hahaha ...impossible......


If our mind races with thoughts all day ,it is similar to dreaming when asleep except we are supposedly awake.

Beliefs can be like conjured up dreams , a lot of us end up believing in dreams instead of living in reality.

[Glass]

Christianity is not based on demonstrable proof of every event, phenomenon, or statement in the Bible. It's faith in Jesus Christ, and Yahweh who sent Him. Jesus has convinced me that He was Who He said He was, and I accept, on faith, that all the rest of what is important will be revealed to me as necessary. Those who idolize the Bible have caused the current situation we find ourselves in, where the Bible is presented as "inerrant," a doctrine of error that easily leads those who do not believe to bring down the entire dogmatic edifice if one error can be demonstrated.

How did Noah build the Ark? I don't know. Could it be done? Yes - and it has been repeated. Were the Nephilim real? Yes - and the demons of the Bible are still with us; people now call them "extraterrestrials," and that they are, not from this world. UFO scientists (not loonies but those who actually apply the scientific method), like Jacques Vallee and the late John Keel, have shown how "demonic possession" and "alien encounters" are identical, even down to the "odors of Hell" (now described as both sulfurous and ionized).

Faith can also be supplemented by experience. there are people out there who have had divine experiences. there are others who have had demonic experiences. I count myself as one who has had both.

I was talking with someone today who revealed they had had encounters with people who suffered demonic problems and one such person complained of the smell. He replied he could not smell anything, however the person suffering said that the smell was not on the outside, it was on the inside that they had this smell. Together they cleared the demon causing the smell and it was gone. I wonder if they were smelling sulphur or similar?

Of course science has an answer for this. Potions and concoctions that change your energy either making your vibration energy so low that you are of no interest or weakening and opening you up so you become even more affected by the dark (unseen) forces. Serotonin inhibitors comes to mind. All the people I've known who take them are significantly tormented. I think that is telling.

[crimethink]

Of course science has an answer for this. Potions and concoctions that change your energy either making your vibration energy so low that you are of no interest or weakening and opening you up so you become even more affected by the dark (unseen) forces. Serotonin inhibitors comes to mind. All the people I've known who take them are significantly tormented. I think that is telling.

If the person is under true demonic influence, they can be exorcised with a command to leave using genuine faith in the Name of Jesus Christ (it won't work if you don't believe it will work). If it's chemical, though, only discontinuing or changing the SSRI will work. Demonic possession is not mental illness, and vice versa.

[Horn]

Its such a bitch being ourselves people have found ways of escaping from this 24/7 by believing in something, anything , apart from our selves and I guarantee in the end that this is impossible method to gain ultimate success from.

The answer is outside of ourselves ......hahaha ...impossible.....

There are multitudes who are victims of escapism into the written word. While they (words) are important to relay a message, its blasphemous upon ones own being to hold any words or assembly of words as exulted or sacred into some figurative common belief, when the words themselves have as many different meanings as there are people reading them, Common belief the lie.

In the end the same as idol worshiping, the results equally similar, frustratingly incomplete for the practitioners.

It could work in a state function, but should steer wholly clear of anything breaching the spiritual, just as the state should also.

"The pursuit of happiness" is a breach and thoroughly underwhelming in that context.

[Glass]

Demonic possession is not mental illness, and vice versa.

We will have to disagree on that point. Chemistry is the business of making magic potions. Spell binders and other concoctions. Love potions even. Today it is a respectable profession related to medicine. Psychiatry is the practice of manipulating the psyche. As psychiatry is devoid of spirituality it cannot recognise the cause of the problems as being spiritual and lacking another cause determines that chemical imbalance is the cause. As a result it can do 2 things. Stifle the energy of the spirit, the thing it calls mental illness by stifling the energy of the host. This is the use of SSRI's. Otherwise it can help seat the spirit or introduce one that is stronger or maybe weaker seeking to achieve a balance and some semblance of normalcy.

not sure if I got everything there. might come back to it.

[crimethink]

We will have to disagree on that point. Chemistry is the business of making magic potions. Spell binders and other concoctions. Love potions even. Today it is a respectable profession related to medicine. Psychiatry is the practice of manipulating the psyche. As psychiatry is devoid of spirituality it cannot recognise the cause of the problems as being spiritual and lacking another cause determines that chemical imbalance is the cause. As a result it can do 2 things. Stifle the energy of the spirit, the thing it calls mental illness by stifling the energy of the host. This is the use of SSRI's. Otherwise it can help seat the spirit or introduce one that is stronger or maybe weaker seeking to achieve a balance and some semblance of normalcy.

not sure if I got everything there. might come back to it.

You are conflating "sorcery" with demonic possession. Demonic possession is the literal control of a person by one or more hyperdimensional entities. Pharmacy, from the Greek for sorcery (pharmakaia), can, indeed, be argued is modern sorcery. Pharmacy has legitimate uses, but, as we both know, also many illegitimate uses, based on lies, for the sake solely of profit. The "scientists" admit they're not exactly sure just how SSRIs work (vaguely, they block reabsorption into the brain's neurons of serotonin, but they have other, body-wide effects, too). Hence, drug developers and "doctors" don't have more competence than many ancient sorcerers who practiced their craft without knowing just how it worked, or what horrendous side-effects may arise. Selective Serotonin Reuptake Inhibitor Withdrawal is every bit as horrible as withdrawal from illegal drugs, though the Pharmacide Industry insists that SSRI Withdrawal is not withdrawal, but "Discontinuation Syndrome."

Mental illness exists apart from literal demonic possession. It arises due to a variety of factors, including genetics, and genetic (and biochemical) changes sometimes result from sin (alcoholism or dope abuse by parents, or oneself). The madness of modern society has also led to ubiquitous mental illness, again, apart from demonic possession; the madness of modern society is, again, due to sin. Christ warned of the days coming when Anxiety Disorders would be severe (Luke 21:26).

You will receive no disagreement from me on psychiatry. It is an evil profession, based largely, still, on the satanic insanity of the kooks Sigmund Fraud, and Carl Jung (he wasn't much better). The psychopaths that dominate psychiatry merely mirror & parrot Fraud and Jung even today.

[expat4ever]

Thank you. Many insist the Bible is "unscientific" and "technologically backward," yet, Job stated God "hangs the Earth upon nothing," correctly indicating Earth "sails" through space, connected physically to nothing, and, Isaiah stated God reigns over the curved Earth, correctly indicating Earth is not flat as many later assumed.

My first experience that there may be good info in the book was a few years ago when I watched a film called "back to Eden" I still love the film and watch it at least once a year. Anyway, many references to the bible in the film which I found interesting.
My neighbor has tried to get me to read the bible. I told him that I tried once but right from the start there's more questions than answers. He then said he could help with my questions. LOL. I got to like Genesis3 and had several questions which I approached him with. His answer was I dont know. LOL. I havent picked it up since.
Honestly I get as much from nature as many get from the book. If I want to know something I ask. "Ask and you shall receive" I also keep in mind "As above so below"

As I mentioned before I love ancient history and love learning about it. Religion does become a part of that. We have Christianity which started about 2000 years ago. But if we go back 3000 years before that we have the Egyptians and their gods. To my untrained eye it certainly appears that Christianity stemmed from the Egyptian religions. There are definitely some similarities.
These Emerald tablets of Thoth are interesting but before a few years ago I had never heard of them so I thought they were more a work of fiction than anything else. However it looks like there are references being made to them way back to at least 300 BC. Thoth also writes about things or makes reference to things that we didnt know about until 20 years ago.
Even though I find that impressive I find the knowledge that the Dogon have to be even more impressive. There's just no way a primitive african tribe should have this knowledge.

I started watching this video last night if anyone is interested. They do touch on one of the questions that I had about the bible. Who did Cain marry and where did she come from? Since there was no answer in the bible apparently someone wrote something about Cain marrying his sister. (The bible says Adam and Eve had 2 sons. This additions mentions 9 kids in total I think and says he married his sister LOL. ). Since incest is frowned upon in Christianity this book didnt make it into the bible.
Funny how I stumbled on this last night after this discussion. Goes back to "Ask and you shall receive"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lkn6q40Sb-o

[Horn]

"Ask and you shall receive"

I've never seen anyone who was demonically possessed except in Hollywood movies, though I have seen a handful of mental cases.

[madfranks]

I started watching this video last night if anyone is interested. They do touch on one of the questions that I had about the bible. Who did Cain marry and where did she come from? Since there was no answer in the bible apparently someone wrote something about Cain marrying his sister. (The bible says Adam and Eve had 2 sons. This additions mentions 9 kids in total I think and says he married his sister LOL. ). Since incest is frowned upon in Christianity this book didnt make it into the bible.
Funny how I stumbled on this last night after this discussion. Goes back to "Ask and you shall receive"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lkn6q40Sb-o

Here's the way I always understood that. We know today that inbreeding will eventually result in major genetic problems because a bad gene will more likely pair with another bad gene from the sibling rather than pair with a healthy gene from a distant pool. In the days of Genesis, the human genome, being much newer, had fewer defects, thus the chances of genetic defects from inbreeding were much lower than today. During the days of Moses the prohibition of incest was made law, presumably because at that time the human genome had degraded to the point that inbreeding was too risky.

[expat4ever]

I get that. Its the explanation I have heard before. Still doesnt explain that Adam and Eve had 2 sons. Cain and Able. Cain went off and married his wife. Where did she come from?

[madfranks]

I get that. Its the explanation I have heard before. Still doesnt explain that Adam and Eve had 2 sons. Cain and Able. Cain went off and married his wife. Where did she come from?

Adam and Eve had more than just two sons, they had "sons and daughters" (Gen 5 somewhere in there). Either Cain married one of his sisters, or married from a lower non-Adamic race. Honestly, I'm not sure which.

[Horn]

Adam and Eve had more than just two sons, they had "sons and daughters" (Gen 5 somewhere in there). Either Cain married one of his sisters, or married from a lower non-Adamic race. Honestly, I'm not sure which.

A lower race, Like the dwarves?

I dont remember anyone mentioning dwarves in the bible..

[expat4ever]

Ok I guess your right. Strange these old timers didnt start having kids until they were at least 65 years old and they all lived until they were 900+. Not sure where Cain and Able were. Not even mentioned here. Maybe they were someone elses kids or I am confused.

When God created mankind, he made them in the likeness of God. 2 He created them male and female and blessed them. And he named them “Mankind”[a] when they were created.

3 When Adam had lived 130 years, he had a son in his own likeness, in his own image; and he named him Seth. 4 After Seth was born, Adam lived 800 years and had other sons and daughters. 5 Altogether, Adam lived a total of 930 years, and then he died.

6 When Seth had lived 105 years, he became the father[b] of Enosh. 7 After he became the father of Enosh, Seth lived 807 years and had other sons and daughters. 8 Altogether, Seth lived a total of 912 years, and then he died.

9 When Enosh had lived 90 years, he became the father of Kenan. 10 After he became the father of Kenan, Enosh lived 815 years and had other sons and daughters. 11 Altogether, Enosh lived a total of 905 years, and then he died.

12 When Kenan had lived 70 years, he became the father of Mahalalel. 13 After he became the father of Mahalalel, Kenan lived 840 years and had other sons and daughters. 14 Altogether, Kenan lived a total of 910 years, and then he died.

15 When Mahalalel had lived 65 years, he became the father of Jared. 16 After he became the father of Jared, Mahalalel lived 830 years and had other sons and daughters. 17 Altogether, Mahalalel lived a total of 895 years, and then he died.

18 When Jared had lived 162 years, he became the father of Enoch. 19 After he became the father of Enoch, Jared lived 800 years and had other sons and daughters. 20 Altogether, Jared lived a total of 962 years, and then he died.

21 When Enoch had lived 65 years, he became the father of Methuselah. 22 After he became the father of Methuselah, Enoch walked faithfully with God 300 years and had other sons and daughters. 23 Altogether, Enoch lived a total of 365 years. 24 Enoch walked faithfully with God; then he was no more, because God took him away.

25 When Methuselah had lived 187 years, he became the father of Lamech. 26 After he became the father of Lamech, Methuselah lived 782 years and had other sons and daughters. 27 Altogether, Methuselah lived a total of 969 years, and then he died.

28 When Lamech had lived 182 years, he had a son. 29 He named him Noah[c] and said, “He will comfort us in the labor and painful toil of our hands caused by the ground the Lord has cursed.” 30 After Noah was born, Lamech lived 595 years and had other sons and daughters. 31 Altogether, Lamech lived a total of 777 years, and then he died.

32 After Noah was 500 years old, he became the father of Shem, Ham and Japheth.

[midnight rambler]

We know today that inbreeding will eventually result in major genetic problems

Not at all true from our experience. While it is true you will bring out the bad stuff OTOH if one is very deliberate and selective one can eliminate the bad stuff (e.g. a particular health issue) over time. We've been doing very close inbreeding for over 25 years (sire bred back to his daughter, brother/sister breeding, etc.) and so far we haven't vectored off in the wrong direction, i.e. no notable increase in health issues. There's one researcher who's written a book on the matter of inbreeding/line breeding (don't recall the name of scientist or his book atm) and according to him once you have an offspring totally clear* of a genetic issue then you've entirely eliminated that issue in that animal and it's progeny. One of the breedings of sire back to daughter we did resulted in a rock star who died of old age (the sire of this breeding was the result of a sister/brother breeding). Few have as much experience with inbreeding (NOT line breeding) over time as we do.

*of course the inverse is that the genetic defect is emphasized in other animals of the very same breeding

[crimethink]

Adam and Eve had more than just two sons, they had "sons and daughters" (Gen 5 somewhere in there). Either Cain married one of his sisters, or married from a lower non-Adamic race. Honestly, I'm not sure which.

The latter.

[crimethink]

A lower race, Like the dwarves?

In the King James, they are called "beasts of the field."

http://onlinebooks.library.upenn.edu/webbin/book/lookupid?key=olbp33401

[expat4ever]

It works the same in Humans and all things really. The idea is that you will occasionally get a mutation or something you dont want. If you breed with your cousin and you have a kid with 3 eyes then chances are that the end of the genetic line for that kids. No one should want to breed with him or her.

The one thing the Jews have right is not marrying or breeding outside their race. It definitely keeps the genetics stronger.
Not at all true from our experience. While it is true you will bring out the bad stuff OTOH if one is very deliberate and selective one can eliminate the bad stuff (e.g. a particular health issue) over time. We've been doing very close inbreeding for over 25 years (sire bred back to his daughter, brother/sister breeding, etc.) and so far we haven't vectored off in the wrong direction, i.e. no notable increase in health issues. There's one researcher who's written a book on the matter of inbreeding/line breeding (don't recall the name of scientist or his book atm) and according to him once you have an offspring totally clear* of a genetic issue then you've entirely eliminated that issue in that animal and it's progeny. One of the breedings of sire back to daughter we did resulted in a rock star who died of old age (the sire of this breeding was the result of a sister/brother breeding). Few have as much experience with inbreeding (NOT line breeding) over time as we do.

*of course the inverse is that the genetic defect is emphasized in other animals of the very same breeding

[Cebu_4_2]

The one thing the Jews have right is not marrying or breeding outside their race. It definitely keeps the genetics stronger.

Jews DO breed with Goy women to relieve their genetic fuckups that run amongst them. I personally dated a chick that ended up with a jew, he has a shitload of money etc. They have 3 boys, all well dressed like businessmen, looks to be on their way to success. It is how the jew works, this is why they prosper. Now back to the chick, in every picture she is shunned like the plague. Never holding her or her holding the boys, always in the back of group photos, basically alone in her world. She promotes every pro jew event along with drives to fix their diseases etc.

She was raised as a catholic and they (her family) even had religious events at their house when I was a kid. As a catholic we were taught NOTHING about the evils of the jew even though it is stated in the bible. Poor girl, she was tight with her catholic religion and she was hot as hell. I dated her 2 years and never got past 2nd base. I don't know if she turned to jewry or is still catholic, not going to ask her either.

[crimethink]

They have 3 boys, all well dressed like businessmen, looks to be on their way to success.


They can keep this "success." The love of money is the root of all evil. One who has Christ is richer than the entire world, though he may be poor in material wealth. Those who are billionaires yet enemies of God have nothing of value. "Success" in this world is inversely correlated to love of the Almighty. Matthew 19:24, Matthew 6:24.



As a catholic we were taught NOTHING about the evils of the jew even though it is stated in the bible.


That has changed drastically since Vatican II, in the wake of the Holocaust™ myth, and alleged Catholic "guilt" for it. When the Catholic church still gave a semblance of allegiance to Jesus Christ, they taught that Jews were Christ killers. The Roman church is now an outpost of World Jewry, fearing the Jews more than Yahweh.




I don't know if she turned to jewry or is still catholic, not going to ask her either.

Doesn't matter - she died when she bred with the enemy.

[expat4ever]

They can keep this "success." The love of money is the root of all evil. One who has Christ is richer than the entire world, though he may be poor in material wealth. Those who are billionaires yet enemies of God have nothing of value. "Success" in this world is inversely correlated to love of the Almighty. Matthew 19:24, Matthew 6:24.
So true. I saw a documentary on you tube. Made by the grandson of one of the founders of Johnson and Johnson I think it was. Showed his family and how they lived. His dad looked like a miserable drunk with not a bit of sense. He seemed to spend more time with his financial advisor than enjoying life.