The Greece has caught fire...................

[Serpo]

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[Serpo]

Paul Craig Roberts – We Are Now Witnessing The Elites’ Terrifying Endgame
July 15, 2015


On the heels of increased turmoil around the globe, today former U.S. Treasury official, Dr. Paul Craig Roberts, warned King World News that we are now witnessing the elites' terrifying endgame.
Dr. Paul Craig Roberts told KWN: "The Greeks were defeated. The prime minister betrayed the people."
http://kingworldnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/KWN-Roberts-I-7152015.jpg (http://kingworldnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/KWN-Roberts-I-7152015.jpg)
By Dr. Paul Craig Roberts Former U.S. Treasury Official (http://kingworldnews.com)
July 15 (King World News (http://kingworldnews.com)) – All of Europe, and insouciant Americans and Canadians as well, are put on notice by Syriza’s surrender to the agents of the One Percent. The message from the collapse of Syriza is that the social welfare system throughout the West will be dismantled….
Continue reading the Dr. Paul Craig Roberts piece below…

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Let The Looting Begin
The Greek prime minister Alexis Tsipras has agreed to the One Percent’s looting of the Greek people of the advances in social welfare that the Greeks achieved in the post-World War II 20th century. Pensions and health care for the elderly are on the way out. The One Percent needs the money.
The protected Greek islands, ports, water companies, airports, the entire panoply of national patrimony, is to be sold to the One Percent. At bargain prices, of course, but the subsequent water bills will not be bargains.
This is the third round of austerity imposed on Greece, austerity that has required the complicity of the Greeks’ own governments. The austerity agreements serve as a cover for the looting of the Greek people literally of everything. The IMF is one member of the Troika that is imposing the austerity, despite the fact that the IMF’s economists have said that the austerity measures have proven to be a mistake. The Greek economy has been driven down by the austerity. Therefore, Greece’s indebtedness has increased as a burden. Each round of austerity makes the debt less payable.
But when the One Percent is looting, facts are of no interest. The austerity, that is the looting, has gone forward despite the fact that the IMF’s economists cannot justify it.
Greek democracy has proven itself to be impotent. The looting is going forward despite the vote one week ago by the Greek people rejecting it. So what we observe in Alexis Tsipras is an elected prime minister representing not the Greek people but the One Percent.
The One Percent’s sigh of relief has been heard around the world. The last European leftist party, or what passes as leftist, has been brought to heel, just like Britain’s Labour Party, the French Socialist Party, and all the rest.
Without an ideology to sustain it, the European left is dead, just as is the Democratic Party in the US. With the death of these political parties, the people no longer have any voice. A government in which the people have no voice is not a democracy. We can see this clearly in Greece. One week after the Greek people express themselves decisively in a referendum, their government ignores them and accommodates the One Percent.
The American Democratic Party died with jobs offshoring, which destroyed the party’s financial base in the manufacturing unions. The European left died with the Soviet Union.
The Soviet Union was a symbol that there existed a socialist alternative to capitalism. The Soviet collapse and “the end of history” deprived the left of an economic program and left the left-wing, at least in America, with “social issues” such as abortion, homosexual marriage, gender equality, and racism, which undermined the left-wing’s traditional support with the working class. Class warfare disappeared in the warfare between heterosexuals and homosexuals, blacks and whites, men and women.
Today with the Western peoples facing re-enserfment and with the world facing nuclear war as a result of the American neoconservatives’ claim to be History’s chosen people entitled to world hegemony, the American left is busy hating the Confederate battle flag.

http://kingworldnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/KWN-Hathaway-II-2172015.jpg (http://kingworldnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/KWN-Hathaway-II-2172015.jpg) The Last Hope For Justice?
The collapse of Europe’s last left-wing party, Syrzia, means that unless more determined parties arise in Portugal, Spain, and Italy, the baton passes to the right-wing parties—-to Nigel Farage’s UK Independence Party, to Marine Le Pen’s National Front in France, and to other fight-wing parties who stand for nationalism against national extermination in EU membership.
Syriza could not succeed once it failed to nationalize the Greek banks in response to the EU’s determination to make them fail. The Greek One Percent have the banks and the media, and the Greek military shows no sign of standing with the people. What we see here is the impossibility of peaceful change, as Karl Marx and Lenin explained.
Revolutions and fundamental reforms are frustrated or overturned by the One Percent who are left alive. Marx, frustrated by the defeat of the Revolutions of 1848 and instructed by his materialist conception of history, concluded, as did Lenin, Mao, and Pol Pot, that leaving the members of the old order alive meant counter-revolution and the return of the people to serfdom. In Latin America every reformist government is vulnerable to overthrow by US economic interests acting in conjunction with the Spanish elites. We see this process underway today in Venezuela and Ecuador.
Duly instructed, Lenin and Mao eliminated the old order. The class holocaust was many times greater than anything the Jews experienced in the Nazi racial holocaust. But there is no memorial to it.
To this day Westerners do not understand why Pol Pot emptied Cambodia’s urban areas. The West dismisses Pol Pot as a psychopath and mass murderer, a psychiatric case, but Pol Pot was simply acting on the supposition that if he permitted representatives of the old order to remain his revolution would be overthrown. To use a legal concept enshrined by the George W. Bush regime, Pol Pot pre-empted counter-revolution by striking in advance of the act and eliminating the class inclined to counter-revolution.
The English conservative Edmund Burke said that the path of progress was reform, not revolution. The English elite, although they dragged their heels, accepted reform in place of revolution, thus vindicating Burke. But today with the left so totally defeated, the One Percent does not have to agree to reforms. Compliance with their power is the only alternative.
http://kingworldnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/King-World-News-Has-It-All-Just-Become-One-Bad-Joke.jpg (http://kingworldnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/King-World-News-Has-It-All-Just-Become-One-Bad-Joke.jpg)
We Are Now Witnessing The Terrifying Endgame
Greece is only the beginning. Greeks driven out of their country by the collapsed economy, demise of the social welfare system, and extraordinary rate of unemployment will take their poverty to other EU countries. Members of the EU are not bound by national boundaries and can freely emigrate. Closing down the support system in Greece will drive Greeks into the support systems of other EU countries, which will be closed down in turn by the One Percent’s privatizations. The 21st century Enclosures have begun. http://kingworldnews.com/paul-craig-roberts-we-are-now-witnessing-the-elites-terrifying-endgame/

[Heisenberg]

Paul Craig Roberts – We Are Now Witnessing The Elites’ Terrifying Endgame
July 15, 2015


On the heels of increased turmoil around the globe, today former U.S. Treasury official, Dr. Paul Craig Roberts, warned King World News that we are now witnessing the elites' terrifying endgame.
Dr. Paul Craig Roberts told KWN: "The Greeks were defeated. The prime minister betrayed the people."
http://kingworldnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/KWN-Roberts-I-7152015.jpg (http://kingworldnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/KWN-Roberts-I-7152015.jpg)
By Dr. Paul Craig Roberts Former U.S. Treasury Official (http://kingworldnews.com)
July 15 (King World News (http://kingworldnews.com)) – All of Europe, and insouciant Americans and Canadians as well, are put on notice by Syriza’s surrender to the agents of the One Percent. The message from the collapse of Syriza is that the social welfare system throughout the West will be dismantled….
Continue reading the Dr. Paul Craig Roberts piece below…

Advertisement




Let The Looting Begin
The Greek prime minister Alexis Tsipras has agreed to the One Percent’s looting of the Greek people of the advances in social welfare that the Greeks achieved in the post-World War II 20th century. Pensions and health care for the elderly are on the way out. The One Percent needs the money.
The protected Greek islands, ports, water companies, airports, the entire panoply of national patrimony, is to be sold to the One Percent. At bargain prices, of course, but the subsequent water bills will not be bargains.
This is the third round of austerity imposed on Greece, austerity that has required the complicity of the Greeks’ own governments. The austerity agreements serve as a cover for the looting of the Greek people literally of everything. The IMF is one member of the Troika that is imposing the austerity, despite the fact that the IMF’s economists have said that the austerity measures have proven to be a mistake. The Greek economy has been driven down by the austerity. Therefore, Greece’s indebtedness has increased as a burden. Each round of austerity makes the debt less payable.
But when the One Percent is looting, facts are of no interest. The austerity, that is the looting, has gone forward despite the fact that the IMF’s economists cannot justify it.
Greek democracy has proven itself to be impotent. The looting is going forward despite the vote one week ago by the Greek people rejecting it. So what we observe in Alexis Tsipras is an elected prime minister representing not the Greek people but the One Percent.
The One Percent’s sigh of relief has been heard around the world. The last European leftist party, or what passes as leftist, has been brought to heel, just like Britain’s Labour Party, the French Socialist Party, and all the rest.
Without an ideology to sustain it, the European left is dead, just as is the Democratic Party in the US. With the death of these political parties, the people no longer have any voice. A government in which the people have no voice is not a democracy. We can see this clearly in Greece. One week after the Greek people express themselves decisively in a referendum, their government ignores them and accommodates the One Percent.
The American Democratic Party died with jobs offshoring, which destroyed the party’s financial base in the manufacturing unions. The European left died with the Soviet Union.
The Soviet Union was a symbol that there existed a socialist alternative to capitalism. The Soviet collapse and “the end of history” deprived the left of an economic program and left the left-wing, at least in America, with “social issues” such as abortion, homosexual marriage, gender equality, and racism, which undermined the left-wing’s traditional support with the working class. Class warfare disappeared in the warfare between heterosexuals and homosexuals, blacks and whites, men and women.
Today with the Western peoples facing re-enserfment and with the world facing nuclear war as a result of the American neoconservatives’ claim to be History’s chosen people entitled to world hegemony, the American left is busy hating the Confederate battle flag.

http://kingworldnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/KWN-Hathaway-II-2172015.jpg (http://kingworldnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/KWN-Hathaway-II-2172015.jpg) The Last Hope For Justice?
The collapse of Europe’s last left-wing party, Syrzia, means that unless more determined parties arise in Portugal, Spain, and Italy, the baton passes to the right-wing parties—-to Nigel Farage’s UK Independence Party, to Marine Le Pen’s National Front in France, and to other fight-wing parties who stand for nationalism against national extermination in EU membership.
Syriza could not succeed once it failed to nationalize the Greek banks in response to the EU’s determination to make them fail. The Greek One Percent have the banks and the media, and the Greek military shows no sign of standing with the people. What we see here is the impossibility of peaceful change, as Karl Marx and Lenin explained.
Revolutions and fundamental reforms are frustrated or overturned by the One Percent who are left alive. Marx, frustrated by the defeat of the Revolutions of 1848 and instructed by his materialist conception of history, concluded, as did Lenin, Mao, and Pol Pot, that leaving the members of the old order alive meant counter-revolution and the return of the people to serfdom. In Latin America every reformist government is vulnerable to overthrow by US economic interests acting in conjunction with the Spanish elites. We see this process underway today in Venezuela and Ecuador.
Duly instructed, Lenin and Mao eliminated the old order. The class holocaust was many times greater than anything the Jews experienced in the Nazi racial holocaust. But there is no memorial to it.
To this day Westerners do not understand why Pol Pot emptied Cambodia’s urban areas. The West dismisses Pol Pot as a psychopath and mass murderer, a psychiatric case, but Pol Pot was simply acting on the supposition that if he permitted representatives of the old order to remain his revolution would be overthrown. To use a legal concept enshrined by the George W. Bush regime, Pol Pot pre-empted counter-revolution by striking in advance of the act and eliminating the class inclined to counter-revolution.
The English conservative Edmund Burke said that the path of progress was reform, not revolution. The English elite, although they dragged their heels, accepted reform in place of revolution, thus vindicating Burke. But today with the left so totally defeated, the One Percent does not have to agree to reforms. Compliance with their power is the only alternative.
http://kingworldnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/King-World-News-Has-It-All-Just-Become-One-Bad-Joke.jpg (http://kingworldnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/King-World-News-Has-It-All-Just-Become-One-Bad-Joke.jpg)
We Are Now Witnessing The Terrifying Endgame
Greece is only the beginning. Greeks driven out of their country by the collapsed economy, demise of the social welfare system, and extraordinary rate of unemployment will take their poverty to other EU countries. Members of the EU are not bound by national boundaries and can freely emigrate. Closing down the support system in Greece will drive Greeks into the support systems of other EU countries, which will be closed down in turn by the One Percent’s privatizations. The 21st century Enclosures have begun. http://kingworldnews.com/paul-craig-roberts-we-are-now-witnessing-the-elites-terrifying-endgame/
What a pussy Paul Roberts is

[Jewboo]

Greeks better let Golden Dawn out of prison and beg them for forgiveness and leadership.

[Serpo]

What a pussy Paul Roberts is


Why is that....

[Serpo]

Could You Imagine? Greek Banks May Be Closed for a Month Joshua Krause
The Daily Sheeple (http://www.thedailysheeple.com/)
July 15th, 2015
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http://www.thedailysheeple.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/Greece-euro.jpg To prevent widespread bank runs and to keep money from leaving the country, the Greek government instated numerous capital controls to keep the lid on their economy, such as placing a daily withdrawal limit of 60 Euros. When they first created these mandates earlier this month, they were only supposed to be in place for a short period of time. But now it looks like the Greeks may be facing a long-term banking crisis.
Late last night, Prime Minister Alexis Tsipras made a statement (http://www.businessinsider.com/greeces-banks-and-atm-update-closures-until-august-2015-7) that should have Greeks dreading the next few weeks. In a televised interview he stated “The reopening of the banks depends on the sanctioning of the deal, which will take place in a month.” So basically the citizens of Greece can look forward to long lines at the ATM and cash shortages through August.
Keep this in mind for when America’s debt crisis finally blows up. You don’t own the money in your bank. It belongs to the bank, and it’s insured and regulated by the government, who are bought and paid for by the banks with the money you put in their accounts. When the system falls apart, you’ve got to see the writing on the wall and get your money out early. Once the crisis starts, your savings will be handed over to the authorities, and rationed out at their leisure. (see how much debt the world owes (http://www.thedailysheeple.com/debt-crisis-central-lets-not-forget-about-america_072015)).
Delivered by The Daily Sheeple (http://www.TheDailySheeple.com/)

[Serpo]

So Mr. Tsipras has sold out his countrymen. He called for a referendum fully expecting a “yes” only to receive a resounding no vote. No matter though, what was already “planned” has already gone forward to kick the can down the road. As overwhelming as the referendum was and as in your face the following proposed agreement is, outright rioting, violence and even civil war has a high probability of resulting. A “convenient coup” (remember Ukraine?) could even be in the works?
Looking at Greece from a grand standpoint, what’s the deal? First, Greece is really not much worse off than Portugal, Spain (the West’s newest police state), Italy or even France. Truth be told, Greece has less debt per capita than us “rich” Americans. No doubt Greece is symptomatic of the West’s position of too much debt …not enough GDP but this is not really what I’d like to talk about today.
Greece initially was bailed out in 2010 and again in 2012, two can kicks if you will. The current episode has been going on for well over six months, it is not a surprise to anyone by any means. My point is this, we have seen lines outside of ATM’s for over two weeks but the situation has been known about and well publicized for quite some time. Other than pensioners who are trying to retrieve their latest monthly or bi weekly payment, who else should be standing in these lines?
Certainly money has bled from their banking system over the last year, a number around 100 billion euros …but there is still over 100 billion euros left? Who would have left any cash in Greek banks as wide spread and “early” as the bad news on the banks has been? Were the Greek people sleeping? Did they have the American “can’t happen here” syndrome? Who would have been stupid enough to leave capital in the bankrupt banking system of a bankrupt nation? Mindboggling isn’t it?
Let’s switch gears and now look in the mirror. Have we not had enough information here in the U.S. to understand we face the same fate …only much bigger and far worse from a leverage standpoint? Yes I know, mainstream media works overtime to keep the cattle penned in their “everything is fine” corral, but isn’t it obvious to anyone who bothers to wipe the fog from the window?
Think about it, the financial world almost ended in 2008. Nothing was fixed, nothing even changed. In fact, the only change has been the degree to which unsound monetary, fiscal and banking practices have been since then. It is as if we hit a brick wall in 2008 yet pressed the accelerator harder ever since!
This article is not about groundbreaking thought, it is meant to ask “why”. Why is there no panic or fear? Why if the real global economy is slowing and shrinking do we not see any financial reaction? Why if the financial markets are far more levered than they were in 2008 have the wheels remained in place and few questions are asked?
I think the answer to this is pretty simple and can be summed up with the old saying “nothing matters until it does”. Over the last two or three months I have fielded so many questions like “why can’t this go on forever with the central banks just papering everything over”? I believe your answer lies in this question! “Papering” being the key word. There is such a thing as “reality” or “truth”. Yes this can be hidden for a time but always, water will seek it’s own level.
Let’s take a look at Greece again, a “deal” has been struck and the fear in the “reality community” is the can got kicked again and it will go on forever. First, has a deal really been struck? If so, what is it exactly? Think about what has come out this week. Their banks are still closed (and will most likely be bailed in), “safe” deposit boxes cannot be accessed, talk of a 30 year extension in debt has been tossed around and the IMF now says they may not be able to participate in any bailout because they cannot give aid to an insolvent entity. Is anything fixed? Has anything been done to make Greece an ongoing concern? What sort of deal can be made that even looks doable? The answer to the above of course is nothing can be done and no deal is really doable because Greece is broke and simply cannot pay. You see, any deal that is done must at least appear feasible, there is no such thing!
Markets so far have been kept fairly well under control. This has been done via the use of derivatives but these are what caused many of the problems in the first place. How do you think Greece, a financial deadbeat, was allowed into the Eurozone to begin with? Derivatives! Derivatives were used to hide much of their debt. (Now Goldman Sachs may be sued for their aid in the fraudulent entry of Greece via bogus derivatives). Though it was hidden, did the debt go away? No, the debt and the service on same has jumped up and brought forth the reality of bankruptcy.
To finish, you can call dog crap whatever you would like. Call it a rose, call it beautiful, call it whatever. No matter the name, it is unpleasant to look at, smell or especially step in. Greece is simply the first one to be realized, all the others up to and including the U.S. are in the same insolvent boat. If you are sitting tight and believe “it can’t happen here”, you are making the same mistake the many Greeks who are standing in line made. It can and will happen here, it mathematically has to as there is no other alternative. Anyone with enough sense to step around a pile of dog pooh should have enough sense to get out of the system NOW to the best of their ability. Ask any Greek if this is good advice! They are no different from any other Western nation except they cannot print what they need to pay.
The final question then is this, does printing actually create “value”? Can printing turn anything insolvent in to solvent? The only thing printing (or borrowing more) can do is allow for current payment …which only makes future payments larger. This is the state of the entire West and being previewed by Greece, only digging the 2008 hole deeper and deeper! Greece is merely a symptom of bad policy, they are also the poster boy the world will see as not having any real solution. If there is no real solution to Greece, how can there be a solution to any other bankrupt nation from that very same flawed policy?
Standing watch,
Bill Holterhttp://www.jsmineset.com/

[crimethink]

Anyone want to tell me why we should keep voting?

[singular_me]

(book) begging for leadership = (crimethink) you asked for this.

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Athens ablaze: Angry Greeks throw petrol bombs at riot police as MPs accept new EU bailout
16th July 2015
http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/591419/Greece-crisis-protests-MPs-debate-EU-bailout


Greece crisis: Treasury backs use of UK cash to help kick-start Athens’ economy
http://www.rt.com/uk/273760-greece-britain-money-loan/?utm_source=browser&utm_medium=aplication_chrome&utm_campaign=chrome



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RkaQ5FgEvhE

[Heisenberg]

Why is that....
He's basically saying the well intentioned lefties cave in to the evil privateers....did he mention da joos?

[Sparky]

Anyone want to tell me why we should keep voting?

In the U.S., I recommend that people vote for anyone who is neither Democrat or Republican. This is better than not voting. If you don't vote, you're just making it easier for them, because then it gets attributed to lazy constituents. If you vote for somebody else, it sends the message that you were willing to take the time and trouble to vote just to express your displeasure with the current system. Enough of those votes would at least give them something to worry about, even if it does not affect change.

If you say "it will not change either way", then at least do it for the integrity of trying to do the right thing. For those who say voting is simply supporting the system, I disagree. It's using the system in the way that it was originally intended, i.e. as a vehicle to express public sentiment.

[Santa]

In the U.S., I recommend that people vote for anyone who is neither Democrat or Republican. This is better than not voting. If you don't vote, you're just making it easier for them, because then it gets attributed to lazy constituents. If you vote for somebody else, it sends the message that you were willing to take the time and trouble to vote just to express your displeasure with the current system. Enough of those votes would at least give them something to worry about, even if it does not affect change.

If you say "it will not change either way", then at least do it for the integrity of trying to do the right thing. For those who say voting is simply supporting the system, I disagree. It's using the system in the way that it was originally intended, i.e. as a vehicle to express public sentiment.

How can a vote send the message if THE MEDIA doesn't send the message?

[Sparky]

How can a vote send the message if THE MEDIA doesn't send the message?
The media reports percent of the votes that they receive, ignoring BLANK ballots. However, the percentages of the main candidates is reduced if anyone else receives a vote. This is reported by the media. The message would be evident if, say, 20% of the total vote went to "other" candidates. It would be a huge story, and the media would be all over it.

[crimethink]

In the U.S., I recommend that people vote for anyone who is neither Democrat or Republican. This is better than not voting. If you don't vote, you're just making it easier for them, because then it gets attributed to lazy constituents. If you vote for somebody else, it sends the message that you were willing to take the time and trouble to vote just to express your displeasure with the current system. Enough of those votes would at least give them something to worry about, even if it does not affect change.

If you say "it will not change either way", then at least do it for the integrity of trying to do the right thing. For those who say voting is simply supporting the system, I disagree. It's using the system in the way that it was originally intended, i.e. as a vehicle to express public sentiment.

Voting is consent. I do NOT consent.

If you participate, you have given your good name and moral authority to a fraudulent game. "You voted, you lost, now accept 'the decision'."

There is no evidence that votes are actually recorded and reported as cast. Hence, any such "message" would be moot.

[crimethink]

The media reports percent of the votes that they receive, ignoring BLANK ballots. However, the percentages of the main candidates is reduced if anyone else receives a vote. This is reported by the media. The message would be evident if, say, 20% of the total vote went to "other" candidates. It would be a huge story, and the media would be all over it.

The Jewsmedia answers to the same group that own & operate the "election" machines!

The Jewsmedia reports the predetermined "results," which invariably shows "third-party candidates" as merely "tiny 'fringe' candidates." If 60% of the electorate voted for a third-party Patriot, the "results" would show 2.6%, at best.

You have gravely misplaced faith in "the system."

[Horn]

A vote for a Representative person within a Democracy, is support for representative democracy and is no longer required, and not Democracy.

Is/was for the era horses and buggies.

Voting on issues locally or over communication networks is Democracy. No country in the world is truly Democratic they're all progressively regressive parliamentary plutocratic.

Don't tell that to your Democratic representative though, they'll get scared or their heads will explode.

[Sparky]

The Jewsmedia answers to the same group that own & operate the "election" machines!

The Jewsmedia reports the predetermined "results," which invariably shows "third-party candidates" as merely "tiny 'fringe' candidates." If 60% of the electorate voted for a third-party Patriot, the "results" would show 2.6%, at best.

You have gravely misplaced faith in "the system."

I respectfully disagree. I think the media spins/lies about interpretation, and not results. I know, you think that's naive.

Voting makes a difference in ways that you are discounting. The Greek vote did not impact the EU bailout. However, knowing that the numbers are there, they will now be more empowered to revolt. Look at the pictures at the beginning of this thread. I don't think there would have been as much of this had their been no referendum vote to validate the public sentiment.

[crimethink]

I respectfully disagree. I think the media spins/lies about interpretation, and not results. I know, you think that's naive.


I don't think it's naive. I know it's naive.

Most people have a desperate need to "believe" in the "system." I think the alternative is too frightening to them to not believe.




Voting makes a difference in ways that you are discounting. The Greek vote did not impact the EU bailout. However, knowing that the numbers are there, they will now be more empowered to revolt. Look at the pictures at the beginning of this thread. I don't think there would have been as much of this had their been no referendum vote to validate the public sentiment.

Some "revolt." In a month, nothing will have changed.

You dismiss this reality: Voting is Consent.

[Sparky]

I don't think it's naive. I know it's naive.

Most people have a desperate need to "believe" in the "system." I think the alternative is too frightening to them to not believe.

I don't fit into that category.





Some "revolt." In a month, nothing will have changed.
...



I don't dispute this point. But the referendum increased the odds.

[expat4ever]

I have to wonder if the Greeks thought past step 1.

Step one. No to Austerity.
Step 2. EU says no more money.
Step3.............................

[Glass]

I think they did. They are caught in a rock hard place though. To join the EU they had to destroy their money printing equipment. so they cant go back to the drachma. Does leave them in a difficult position. They could over come this with some out of the box thinking but Greece is an old place with a lot of old people and they can't think outside the box or play outside the box, because they don't the technical knowledge.

The drachma should go digital. That would be the solution. Deploy it on the blockchain and you are away. Old people however are going to need someone to guide them, some kind of technical guardian angel. Obviously the young people are the best choice for this. It could also cause a renewed solidarity amongst the people. Helping each other get through this.

The situation is either a calamity or an opportunity. The EU way is only calamity. The Greeks need to seize the opportunity.

[expat4ever]

Tha last time RP ran I watched one of the debates. The polls afterwards clearly showed he had won the debate with like 36%. It even showed the results on air behind the commentators who just didnt even mention him. Like his name wasnt even on the list. So blatant and in your face.

If I do vote I wont register. Just sho up like the illegals and vote. In fact vote all you want, different counties across the state.
The media reports percent of the votes that they receive, ignoring BLANK ballots. However, the percentages of the main candidates is reduced if anyone else receives a vote. This is reported by the media. The message would be evident if, say, 20% of the total vote went to "other" candidates. It would be a huge story, and the media would be all over it.

[Serpo]

I think they did. They are caught in a rock hard place though. To join the EU they had to destroy their money printing equipment. so they cant go back to the drachma. Does leave them in a difficult position. They could over come this with some out of the box thinking but Greece is an old place with a lot of old people and they can't think outside the box or play outside the box, because they don't the technical knowledge.

The drachma should go digital. That would be the solution. Deploy it on the blockchain and you are away. Old people however are going to need someone to guide them, some kind of technical guardian angel. Obviously the young people are the best choice for this. It could also cause a renewed solidarity amongst the people. Helping each other get through this.

The situation is either a calamity or an opportunity. The EU way is only calamity. The Greeks need to seize the opportunity.

Why anyone would hand over their country and run with the EU is beyond my understanding.................


Now it sounds as if they will have to give away parts of their country and infrastructure for money the banksters pulled out of their arse...........................

[Horn]

To join the EU they had to destroy their money printing equipment.

Where'd you get that info. from?

If they wanted to print I don't think Russia would mind loaning them the equipment to print.

Hell Russia should supply them all the Euro. they need to wallpaper the Acropolis in Euro. with their sanctions.

[crimethink]

Where'd you get that info. from?

It's not literally true. Probably just a figure of speech. The Bank of Greece produces Euro notes, and can easily go back to Drachma.

[Serpo]

VOTE for a GOAT.......................at least it rhymes.

[Glass]

Varoufakis: Greece cannot print drachma

Greece would not be able to print drachma, its former currency, even if it left the eurozone, Finance minister Yanis Varoufakis told Australia's ABC channel. "We smashed the printing presses," he said, explaining that Greece had to get rid of the machines because "this monetary union is irreversible".

https://euobserver.com/tickers/129447

[Horn]

Well that guy sounds like he's making excuses, if Greece wanted to print the presses shouldn't be any issue.

Its a win win for anyone building that press.

I'd think they have capability to do Euro in Greece, just print a bunch more of them.