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EE_
18th July 2015, 07:01 PM
Unprecedented emergency statewide fishing closures enacted in Pacific Northwest — “We’ve never had to do anything like this” — “Very alarming” mass die-offs linked to disease outbreak — Nearly 100% infection rate in some areas — Rotting gills, distended bellies — NOAA: It’s a ‘head scratcher’ (VIDEOS)

Published: July 17th, 2015 at 2:26 pm ET
By ENENews
257 comments

KTVZ, Jul 16, 2015 (emphasis added): Restricting fishing in Oregon streams and rivers for the first time ever… Oregon Department of Fish & Wildlife announced it’s taking drastic measures… they’ve never had to do this before… ODFW: “We’re starting to see fish kills in more places than we typically do. This is a pretty extreme set of conditions.”

Statesman Journal, Jul 16, 2015: [ODFW is taking] an unprecedented step… The move comes on the heels of multiple fish die-offs… “We’ve never had to do anything like this before — we’re in new territory,” said [ODFW's] Bruce McIntosh.

Mail Tribune (Oregon), Jul 16, 2015: Emergency fishing closures go statewide

Spokesman Review, Jul 17, 2015: Washington Fish and Wildlife Department officials are enacting fishing restrictions involving 38 rivers… emergency rules take effect on Saturday.

AP, Jul 9, 2015: Fisheries biologist Rod French said [dead salmon] appeared to have been infected with a gill rot disease

The Oregonian, Jul 10, 2015: Scores of dead salmon are washing ashore… mortality rates are rapidly rising for juvenile fish near John Day Dam… [French] said it appears the fish are dying from a bacterial infection… “It’s very alarming that we’re seeing them this early,” he said… [Paul Wagner, NOAA fisheries biologist] called it a head scratcher. The die-offs seem to be associated with disease, he said.

Siskiyou Daily (Calif.), May 19, 2015: Klamath Fish Health Assessment Team has raised its level of alert… due to an increased detection of a deadly disease…. Chinook salmon tested in two reaches of the Klamath River… reached a 100-percent prevalence of infection [for] one of the deadliest salmon diseases… [Juveniles] have been found with… distended bellies, pale-colored gill and gill erosion… [N]ear the Scott and Klamath rivers confluence… 86 out of 120 showing distended bellies and 87 out of 114 showing pale gills…

OPB, Jun 9, 2015: More than half of the 3-inch long Chinook in the [Klamath River] trap are either dead or showing signs of a serious parasitic infection… nearly 100 percent of Chinook caught in this fish trap in early May were infected.

KATU (Portland), Jul 10, 2015: Salmon and trout, even sturgeon, are dying like never before… on the Deschutes, Santiam, Mackenzie, Clackamas, and other rivers.

KGW (Portland), Jul 7, 2015: It just seems like it’s getting worse… the issue certainly hasn’t improved since we reported on it 2 weeks ago… Chinook salmon, even some sturgeon, continue to wash up… Several fishermen I spoke with down here today, well they’re worried… Pretty much everywhere you look… dead fish… Starting last month, Chinook salmon began washing up… far short of their spawning grounds… It’s all the talk among local fisherman, “I’ve lived here about 25 years, and I’m an avid fishermen. I’ve never seen any fish like this on the bank as much as I’ve seen this year.”

KOIN (Portland), Jun 19, 2015: Is this a really big concern right now? Very much so… “I’ve never seen it like that before“… The Chinook are on their way back from the ocean… Fishermen are coming up empty and are worried.

KGW, Jun 22, 2015: A startling site… Chinook salmon dying in the rivers… Biologists counted more than 100 on just a 3 mile stretch… We came down here this morning expecting to find 1, maybe 2, dead Chinook salmon. Boy, were we wrong — you can find them about every 20 yards… one after another… Have you ever seen that before? “Never, ever, ever, ever.” Jeannie Brooks has been fishing [here] with her dad for decades, never before had she seen this… “I looked all the way down and thought, what are all these dead fish doing here?”

KPTV (Oregon), Jun 19, 2015: One after another… “I never saw a dead fish, ever, here.”

KGW, Jul 9, 2015: [A diver] told us what he’s been seeing under the surface… there are salmon sitting dead in spots on the Clakamas River bottom… littered here and there.
http://enenews.com/emergency-statewide-fishing-closures-pacific-northwest-unprecedented-weve-never-anything-like-before-disease-causing-very-alarming-mass-die-100-infection-rate-areas-rotting-gills-distended

crimethink
18th July 2015, 08:20 PM
WTF?!

Plagues of Revelation. "Fukushima radiation" doesn't fit.

Cebu_4_2
18th July 2015, 08:32 PM
I doubt it is radiation.

gunDriller
19th July 2015, 04:46 AM
I doubt it is radiation.

i think it might be radiation - because it's the only new significant health threat.

in that part of Oregon, naturally occurring chromium is one problem in the water. but it's not new.

the media attributes some of the fish problems to heat (no fishing in the afternoon). but heat comes every year.

there's no new big factories.


count on one thing though - the pseudo-environmentalists will tend to blame the small-scale miners.

EE_
19th July 2015, 05:00 AM
I'm sure you all know, these fish hatch and live the first part of their lives in fresh water, then migrate to the ocean to spend their adult lives, as long as 7 years.
When they reach sexual maturity, they return to the freshwater stream of their origin to lay their eggs.

Anadromous fish include, Pacific salmon Atlantic salmon, sturgeon, lampreys, shad, herring, sea-run cutthroat trout, and steelhead trout.

gunDriller
19th July 2015, 06:40 AM
if it is Fukushima radiation ... the 9.0 earthquake that created a huge tidal wave, but knocked down few if any buildings (except for the ones the tidal wave knocked down) - indicating an un-natural source -

Israel's nukes.

EE_
19th July 2015, 06:56 AM
if it is Fukushima radiation ... the 9.0 earthquake that created a huge tidal wave, but knocked down few if any buildings (except for the ones the tidal wave knocked down) - indicating an un-natural source -

Israel's nukes.

It could be a combination of Fuku rad and the huge toxic soup of chemicals and who knows what, that was washed into the sea from the tsunami. You don't hear about that either.

Horn
19th July 2015, 07:00 AM
There was that warm blob in the pacific, I think is mostly still there.

Perhaps it has something to do with it.

EE_
19th July 2015, 07:10 AM
There was that warm blob in the pacific, I think is mostly still there.

Perhaps it has something to do with it.

A warm blob from Alaska to Mexico?

Horn
19th July 2015, 07:30 AM
A warm blob from Alaska to Mexico?

yeah, that one. The same in part effect from dry conditions on the west coast.

If there were 2headed salmon that might be Fukishima.

crimethink
19th July 2015, 09:34 AM
i think it might be radiation - because it's the only new significant health threat.

We need the data showing radionuclides then. Testing equipment is not exactly rare.

It could very well be another, non-nuclear manmade disaster; a threshold may have been reached where the mess of antibiotics, genetic engineering, and chemicals have caused a critical mass generating new pathogens and/or diseases.

EE_
19th July 2015, 10:28 AM
I know it's hard for some to believe that what is causing this could be in the environment. We know ocean currents travel to the west coast, and China's pollution travels to the US.

This is what is growing near Fukushima.

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/07/17/article-2367436-1ADC734D000005DC-885_634x485.jpg
http://asset-7.soupcdn.com/asset/12347/1917_7ef6.jpeg
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/07/17/article-2367436-1ADC73F5000005DC-557_306x423.jpg
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/07/17/article-2367436-1ADC7791000005DC-285_306x423.jpg
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/07/17/article-2367436-1ADC7676000005DC-995_634x350.jpg

And in California,
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-0WjlkmaEpgs/UL8unat1shI/AAAAAAAACVg/NKoZ2uZCSCI/s640/kiwiposter.png
Kiwifruit, with described mutations matching what you have just seen, were, according to one recipient, being given to the needy at a local food bank in early November 2012; unfortunately all of the evidence was eaten before this came to my attention(tasted "a little bland").
I have in fact learned where the kiwi were grown: central California. Specifically, a small farm, approximately between Fresno and Bakersfield.

It may be relevant to note that even the main stream media, usually reliably oblivious when it comes to such matters, reported the high levels of radioactivity, identifiable as the environmental fallout from the disaster at TepCo's Fukushima Daiichi Nuclear Power Plant (often referred to merely as "3/11"). Central California was in fact quite hard hit.
And for those who would think that would not affect the fruit being bought today, it takes one to two years, as I understand it, for kiwifruit to mature enough to harvest.
For the record, however, I must consider the cause of these deformations "unknown" unless and until more information comes to light.
Should anyone have any other information, feel free to contact me, in the comment section at this link: http://femalefaust.blogspot.com, or by email (address available below).
http://femalefaust.blogspot.com/2012/12/mutated-kiwifruit-on-sale-five-for.html

crimethink
19th July 2015, 10:30 AM
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-0WjlkmaEpgs/UL8unat1shI/AAAAAAAACVg/NKoZ2uZCSCI/s640/kiwiposter.png

If those are real, as in, due to Fukushima radiation, do you realize just how fucked we are?

However, from the comments...

I live in california, and i read this blog often, i have seen this happen to kiwi before the event at Fukushima had happened. This is normal for a kiwi, just wanted to let you know. They can sometimes, depending on what method they are grown with, do this due to the amounts of fertilizer used.

(...)

Fan shaped Kiwi fruit are common, normal and totally delicious. They are usually rejected for sale due to their odd size. The shape has nothing to do with mutations or radiation. If you see them on sale at a cheap price then grab a bargain and enjoy.

BrewTech
19th July 2015, 04:32 PM
I know it's hard for some to believe that what is causing this could be in the environment. We know ocean currents travel to the west coast, and China's pollution travels to the US.

This is what is growing near Fukushima.

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/07/17/article-2367436-1ADC734D000005DC-885_634x485.jpg
http://asset-7.soupcdn.com/asset/12347/1917_7ef6.jpeg
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/07/17/article-2367436-1ADC73F5000005DC-557_306x423.jpg
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/07/17/article-2367436-1ADC7791000005DC-285_306x423.jpg
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/07/17/article-2367436-1ADC7676000005DC-995_634x350.jpg

And in California,
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-0WjlkmaEpgs/UL8unat1shI/AAAAAAAACVg/NKoZ2uZCSCI/s640/kiwiposter.png
Kiwifruit, with described mutations matching what you have just seen, were, according to one recipient, being given to the needy at a local food bank in early November 2012; unfortunately all of the evidence was eaten before this came to my attention(tasted "a little bland").
I have in fact learned where the kiwi were grown: central California. Specifically, a small farm, approximately between Fresno and Bakersfield.

It may be relevant to note that even the main stream media, usually reliably oblivious when it comes to such matters, reported the high levels of radioactivity, identifiable as the environmental fallout from the disaster at TepCo's Fukushima Daiichi Nuclear Power Plant (often referred to merely as "3/11"). Central California was in fact quite hard hit.
And for those who would think that would not affect the fruit being bought today, it takes one to two years, as I understand it, for kiwifruit to mature enough to harvest.
For the record, however, I must consider the cause of these deformations "unknown" unless and until more information comes to light.
Should anyone have any other information, feel free to contact me, in the comment section at this link: http://femalefaust.blogspot.com, or by email (address available below).
http://femalefaust.blogspot.com/2012/12/mutated-kiwifruit-on-sale-five-for.html

Bought kiwis here that simply wouldn't ripen. Thought it strange.

EE_
20th July 2015, 06:52 AM
Nuclear Expert: We should be very worried about ongoing catastrophe at Fukushima… “Complete failure” of ice wall built to contain extremely radioactive water… Plutonium is flowing into Pacific, will for many years to come — Strontium in ocean hits record level, huge increase reported since April (VIDEO)

Published: July 20th, 2015 at 12:59 am ET
By ENENews

Excerpts from presentation by Arnie Gundersen, Fairewinds Chief Engineer, Jul 16, 2015 (emphasis added):

Are the meltdowns at Fukushima Daiichi over?… This catastrophe is not over… We should continue to be very worried.
3 of the nuclear cores at Fukushima Daiichi are in direct contact with groundwater. Nuclear power designers and engineers never anticipated that possibility.

Fukushima Daiichi Units No. 1, No. 2, and No. 3 were destroyed… allowing holes and cracks to form… We know for sure that the Fukushima Daiichi containments are full of holes that allow groundwater to come in direct contact with each nuclear core.

Groundwater is still leaking in and leaking out, at a rate of at least 300 tons per day… more than 1,500 days have passed… 23,000-tanker truckloads of radioactive water have already leaked into the Pacific Ocean. Worse yet, there is no end in sight.

As Fairewinds anticipated, the ‘ice wall’ is a complete failure.
Cesium, strontium and plutonium from Fukushima Daiichi will continue to bleed into the Pacific Ocean for decades because the groundwater flow is unmitigated.

Japan’s press looks on silently due to the real threat and constraints of the government’s secrecy act… The true human, financial, and environmental costs of this nuclear power catastrophe are not publicized and discussed.
TEPCO reported on July 17 that Strontium-90 concentrations in the ocean outside Fukushima Units 3 and 4 are at record highs. Levels have spiked around 1,000% in 3 months.

Sr-90 measured between Unit 3 & 4 intake channel

July 17 report: 1,500 Bq/L*
April 23 report: 150 Bq/L
Sr-90 measured at Unit 4 screen

July 17 report: 1,500 Bq/L*
April 23 report: 120 Bq/L
* According to TEPCO’s July 17 report, the total level of all beta ray emitters (which includes Sr-90) was 1,200 Bq/L — yet the levels reported for Sr-90 were 1,500 Bq/L. When a similar occurrence happened last year, Asahi reported: “Strontium levels exceeded the all-beta readings in some instances, leading the utility to decide they were ‘wrong’.” TEPCO’s corrected data revealed much higher levels.

Watch Gundersen’s presentation here: http://www.fairewinds.org/nuclear-energy-education/fukushima-daiichi-decommissioning-follow-the-money

http://enenews.com/nuclear-expert-be-very-worried-about-ongoing-catastrophe-fukushima-plutonium-flowing-pacific-will-many-years-wall-built-contain-extremely-radioactive-water-complete-failure-strontium-90-ocean-hits