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Shami-Amourae
27th July 2015, 09:04 AM
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(http://therightstuff.biz/content/images/2012/12/nonviolence-08_jpg.jpg) “Nonviolence” and “non-aggression” are some of the most sacred cows in modern thought. Even the extreme rebels, anarchists, and reactionaries of today greedily swallow the pill of abstention from violence like a religious sacrament. Why would groups of people so hostile to established objective moral orders or religious values still rush to confirm non-violence as a holy mantra? Wouldn’t a true “free thinker” ponder whether or not violence might be an appropriate response to many situations, particularly given the long history of violence in human and animal evolution? Why is non-violence considered to be a virtue in the first place? Why is a lack of confrontation and a hesitancy to engage in conflict seen as progress?


It”s because modern humans are domesticated livestock. Strip away the nonsense about a man being nonviolent because God, his moral compass, or some abstract philosophical construct convinced him that pacifism was the enlightened path. These window dressings are a distraction from the truth, which is that like any domesticated animal, repression of normal aggressive urges is necessary to keep these dumb cattle from killing each other in their pens, or worse, injuring their masters.


The glory of a warrior’s death epitomized by Homer’s “The Iliad” has gradually been replaced with “Do unto others.” and “Do not initiate aggression.” This is not progress for the human race in the same sense that understanding logic or discovering the laws of physics was progress. This is progress in the same manner that breeding aggression out of domesticated dogs, or teaching cattle to fear the lash is progress. As civilization evolved, there have been only two options for the human underclass: Rise up, put their former masters to the torch, and become the dominant ones themselves, or engage in passive aggressive whining about the “injustice” of their lot in life. With practically no exceptions to the contrary, most modern thought is concerned more with the “immorality” of authoritarian rule, not the sniveling weakness of those under its control. How many despots have been deposed by other governments for the stated purpose of ending the cruelty of their regimes? Why don’t their subjects end those regimes themselves?


The modern spectacle of the oppressed being pitied and the oppressor being vilified is the victory of an infantile slave morality. Rather than defiantly challenge the leaders of the pack, these runty little whelps nip at their heels from the shadows and slink away from the first sign of resistance. Has it even occurred to these cowards that their “non-violent” resistance is EXACTLY what a crafty master would love to see in the indignant peasants under his control? Valuing non-aggression is the triumph of weakness. Unfortunately, while proponents of non-aggression are plainly the discarded middle children of evolution and motivated more by modern complacent cowardice than anything else, their sheep like bleating about “The Golden Rule” is either unchallenged or cloaked in immature philosophical tenets.


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Some of these unmanly, castrated rabble have actually constructed for themselves a pitiful little skeleton of pseudo-philosophy to cower behind, and have called it “The Non Initiation of Aggression Principle (http://therightstuff.biz/2012/12/01/you-down-with-nap/)“. These tedious little rodents cling to ideas about objectively validating a philosophy through tissue thin natural rights arguments and other nonsense rejected by existentialists at the end of the 19nth century! Why this absurd moral pretentiousness when David Hume has already knocked the foundation out from under such philosophies with the Is-Ought distinction over two hundred years ago? Fear and terror of death are strong motivators for weak minds, so much so that it was necessary to build the idea that moral agency itself is the source of one’s right to exist, not strength or ability. (God forbid you have to occasionally secure an existence through your capacity for violence; you can’t even expect pacifists like this to kill their own food) When you ask these drones if their non-aggression principle applies to other species, to human infants, coma patients, human fetuses, or the mentally infirm, a wide range of debate ensues between the pitiable faux philosophers espousing this brand of tripe. As others have noted, no matter what axiomatic tricks are attempted to validate this philosophy, the question of which entities it pertains to in actual practice strangles it in the cradle.


But using semantics and outdated philosophical arguments to justify unmanly shirking away from violence or “aggressing” against others is hardly the most common justification for this culture of weakness. It is seen widely to be “human progress” to no longer value the glory of combat, or celebrate the victories of proud warriors. It is not politically correct to celebrate crushing an opponent, even though two thousand years ago it was common practice to march through the streets in a grand parade with the severed heads of your enemies on full display. This shirking from all forms of violence in the domesticated human is simply large scale emasculation of men in particular and the neutering of warriors of both sexes in general.


Why is it considered proper to believe in evolution, but then to stammer and protest when the weak and unfit perish under the boots of the strong? When apes gather together and strangle a former patriarch, kill his children, and then take his mates, where are the protestors and demonstrations? Why is every human being to hit the dirt on this planet considered to be sacred? Are we not simply sentient animals, just as disposable as every other creature? Is it not natural and even possibly healthy for us to struggle mightily with one another on occasion? Could it even be that the rise of spree killings in modern societies is a symptom of how repressing normal biologically driven blood letting leads to explosive random violence? Unsatisfied with creating a culture where dueling or even fist fights are taboo, the modern domesticated human cattle wishes to disarm himself and others, lest he suffer violence. It isn’t enough to remove the wolf’s soul from his body, you must yank out his teeth as well. Victory in a violent encounter can be a positively life affirming experience, but without aggression, where would the opportunity arise?
Non-aggression is not about progress or morality, it’s about the wide scale institutionalization of human cowardice and weakness.

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madfranks
27th July 2015, 09:09 AM
Why is every human being to hit the dirt on this planet considered to be sacred? Are we not simply sentient animals, just as disposable as every other creature? Is it not natural and even possibly healthy for us to struggle mightily with one another on occasion? Could it even be that the rise of spree killings in modern societies is a symptom of how repressing normal biologically driven blood letting leads to explosive random violence?

If you believe that humans are just another animal and not special in that regard, then these are good points. I believe that humans are held to a higher standard, and this includes a higher moral standard. Violence is not bad, for example self-defense is perfectly justifiable violence. But initiating violence against another, through theft, assault, murder, etc. are not justifiable.

Shami-Amourae
27th July 2015, 09:21 AM
If you believe that humans are just another animal and not special in that regard, then these are good points. I believe that humans are held to a higher standard, and this includes a higher moral standard. Violence is not bad, for example self-defense is perfectly justifiable violence. But initiating violence against another, through theft, assault, murder, etc. are not justifiable.


Says who?

The person holding the biggest gun.

aeondaze
27th July 2015, 10:34 AM
The same people pushing these memes are the ones that quietly advocate for vast militarization at the national level and constantly agitate other nations and goad them into forceful action. The truth is that non-violence is for consumption by the masses. At the top it is a completely different situation, if you talked about non-violence in those circles you'd be laughed at.

All this shit is for consumption by the mindless masses.

Case in point, I was at a social gathering and someone mentioned that violence was no answer. So I plainly asked, "Isn't it?" They replied no. I asked if they had any data to back that up, they replied that nearly everyone agrees these days that violence is not the answer to which everyone nodded, then a smart one pipes up and says "Non violence is a cornerstone of our society" There is a general hum of agreement, then i loudly asked "Why is it that a vast militarized police force and army are the very tools which guarantee this supposed non violent society?"There is silence, then the same person speaks up and says, that is a different matter, I agree with him and say "yes, its a question of social standing, when one is at the bottom rung of society they have no rights to defend themselves with physical force, however those at the apex unashamedly reserve that right for themselves solely!"

There was a lot of quiet and people were thinking...then I finish with this clincher "This a classic example of why all of you are on the bottom rung of society, it is the very proof you need to know that basically you are all slaves on the reserve and that the masters have no intention of allowing any of you to take your destiny in your very own hands, I suspect a lot of you have opinions that aren't very well thought through and are infact fed to you by an elite class" There was a stunned silence....I walked away...:p

Shami-Amourae
27th July 2015, 12:15 PM
Great post aeondaze. Thank you.

madfranks
27th July 2015, 12:39 PM
Says who?

The person holding the biggest gun.

I know you don't believe the Bible, but back in the days of the Old Testament, the people of Israel had no king, and no government the way we think of it today. They had patriarchal judges to arbitrate local disputes but otherwise were pretty much in a state of what we would call anarchy today (no government, no rulers). The people of Israel rejected this arrangement and said they wanted a king to rule over them, so they could be like all the other nations around them. God told the people through his prophet that what comes with a king is an iron rod to rule you, taxes, forced conscription, and all the other goodies that come when man rules over and dominates his fellow man. The original plan was for the people to be free, and for God to be their only king. That, to me, would be the optimum society for man. In which case, as long as there are more good people than bad, the bad will always be outnumbered by the good free men.

Jewboo
27th July 2015, 12:43 PM
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Feminism rejects male violence.

Ares
27th July 2015, 12:45 PM
The same people pushing these memes are the ones that quietly advocate for vast militarization at the national level and constantly agitate other nations and goad them into forceful action. The truth is that non-violence is for consumption by the masses. At the top it is a completely different situation, if you talked about non-violence in those circles you'd be laughed at.

All this shit is for consumption by the mindless masses.

Case in point, I was at a social gathering and someone mentioned that violence was no answer. So I plainly asked, "Isn't it?" They replied no. I asked if they had any data to back that up, they replied that nearly everyone agrees these days that violence is not the answer to which everyone nodded, then a smart one pipes up and says "Non violence is a cornerstone of our society" There is a general hum of agreement, then i loudly asked "Why is it that a vast militarized police force and army are the very tools which guarantee this supposed non violent society?"There is silence, then the same person speaks up and says, that is a different matter, I agree with him and say "yes, its a question of social standing, when one is at the bottom rung of society they have no rights to defend themselves with physical force, however those at the apex unashamedly reserve that right for themselves solely!"

There was a lot of quiet and people were thinking...then I finish with this clincher "This a classic example of why all of you are on the bottom rung of society, it is the very proof you need to know that basically you are all slaves on the reserve and that the masters have no intention of allowing any of you to take your destiny in your very own hands, I suspect a lot of you have opinions that aren't very well thought through and are infact fed to you by an elite class" There was a stunned silence....I walked away...:p

Well said and describes our society and peoples thoughts on violence to a "T".

Shami-Amourae
27th July 2015, 12:54 PM
I know you don't believe the Bible, but back in the days of the Old Testament, the people of Israel had no king, and no government the way we think of it today. They had patriarchal judges to arbitrate local disputes but otherwise were pretty much in a state of what we would call anarchy today (no government, no rulers). The people of Israel rejected this arrangement and said they wanted a king to rule over them, so they could be like all the other nations around them. God told the people through his prophet that what comes with a king is an iron rod to rule you, taxes, forced conscription, and all the other goodies that come when man rules over and dominates his fellow man. The original plan was for the people to be free, and for God to be their only king. That, to me, would be the optimum society for man. In which case, as long as there are more good people than bad, the bad will always be outnumbered by the good free men.

What you're describing is a primitive homogeneous society. Like anarcho-primitivism + anarcho-nationalism. Kind of like the stereotype for Amerindian tribes.

Agree or disagree?

Heisenberg
27th July 2015, 01:27 PM
I know you don't believe the Bible, but back in the days of the Old Testament, the people of Israel had no king, and no government the way we think of it today. They had patriarchal judges to arbitrate local disputes but otherwise were pretty much in a state of what we would call anarchy today (no government, no rulers). The people of Israel rejected this arrangement and said they wanted a king to rule over them, so they could be like all the other nations around them. God told the people through his prophet that what comes with a king is an iron rod to rule you, taxes, forced conscription, and all the other goodies that come when man rules over and dominates his fellow man. The original plan was for the people to be free, and for God to be their only king. That, to me, would be the optimum society for man. In which case, as long as there are more good people than bad, the bad will always be outnumbered by the good free men.
Except god can just flood the whole earth, zap you anytime he wants, compare brother to brother unfairly till one kills the other (Cain and Abel) unleash ten plagues on you because you realize his "chosen" are conniving backstabbers, etc etc etc

Santa
27th July 2015, 02:19 PM
Why don't we just kill everyone we don't like?

Shami-Amourae
27th July 2015, 02:21 PM
Why don't we just kill everyone we don't like?

Since they will shoot back or have someone shoot back for them.

Santa
27th July 2015, 02:36 PM
Since they will shoot back or have someone shoot back for them.

Just shoot them first.

singular_me
27th July 2015, 03:12 PM
there is only Force (self-defense) vs Power(agression)

Power will require at some point more Power (gov vs populace)... power begets violence... endless escalation and exponential - unless at some point there is a change of mindset.

we could defeat the NWO if only 25-30% people would stop to go to work... that is a Force as it is an affirmation of Mind.

shami, you just fit right in as transhumanism requires Power/violence to rise. High tech can only benefit mankind if enlightenment is widespread. Otherwise, ants colonies for 90% of the survivors after depopulation. It is impossible to achieve enlightenment through violence. impossible... impossible... i-m-p-o-s-s-i-b-l-e

people's gullibility is dual (double edged sword), intuitively most "feel" that violence cannot get them anywhere but since they can explain it, they would rather follow leaders that promise them peace.... evil this way come.

non-violence activism without taking responsibility is at the core of the issue. Such an understanding is the framework for an Empathic Society.

S&M has deep mystical roots, shami... but I will leave it at that as I dont want the forum to implode ;D

crimethink
27th July 2015, 03:43 PM
Says who?

The person holding the biggest gun.

Yes, Jesus Christ does hold the biggest guns, and He said it. :)

crimethink
27th July 2015, 03:44 PM
I know you don't believe the Bible, but back in the days of the Old Testament, the people of Israel had no king, and no government the way we think of it today. They had patriarchal judges to arbitrate local disputes but otherwise were pretty much in a state of what we would call anarchy today (no government, no rulers). The people of Israel rejected this arrangement and said they wanted a king to rule over them, so they could be like all the other nations around them. God told the people through his prophet that what comes with a king is an iron rod to rule you, taxes, forced conscription, and all the other goodies that come when man rules over and dominates his fellow man. The original plan was for the people to be free, and for God to be their only king. That, to me, would be the optimum society for man. In which case, as long as there are more good people than bad, the bad will always be outnumbered by the good free men.

The natural state of man is to tend to wickedness. Without God, wickedness is the norm. Today, that latter dominates. And peace & justice cannot reign.

Jewboo
27th July 2015, 04:32 PM
S&M has deep mystical roots, shami... but I will leave it at that as I don't want the forum to implode ;D




http://forums.huntingresource.com/public/style_emoticons/default/popcorn.gif bring on the mystical implosion Goldi...lol

crimethink
27th July 2015, 07:26 PM
http://forums.huntingresource.com/public/style_emoticons/default/popcorn.gif bring on the mystical implosion Goldi...lol

Modern war is Applied S&M.

Jerrylynnb
27th July 2015, 10:44 PM
Crimethink, wickedness may be widespread, but, I can assure you that I have not had wickedness in my heart, and I am not a god-fearing man. Even as a youth, I understood the need to cooperate, and to avoid treating others in ways to which I would object were I so treated. I have always been able to imagine myself in someone else's shoes and attempt to understand why they do or say things. Bullies always confounded me, because, I could never understand what drove them, and I could never imagine myself, or any person with introspection, to be a bully. I realize Christians deny anyone but fellow Christians the ability to be honorable and righteous, but, that is mere adherence to scripture, not as a result of taking full note of humanity outside the christian world. There is a whole world of righteous, honorable men, worthy of reverence, OUTSIDE the christian faith.

If we were neighbors, you'd find yourself glad to have me as a neighbor, even though I wouldn't conceal my disbelief in the christian faith. I have a lifetime of making friends, even best of friends, with devout christians, who, they belatedly confess, find themselves accepting me as an honorable and worthy friend even though I grant no credence to their frequent quoting of scripture and the many tenants, from scripture, that they deem to have bearing on various situations we encounter in this life. I rely on my intelligence and that indescribable thing we call "heart" to help guide me through life in ways that are compatible with those who seek an ennoblement of our kind.

Peace.

crimethink
28th July 2015, 01:20 AM
Crimethink, wickedness may be widespread, but, I can assure you that I have not had wickedness in my heart, and I am not a god-fearing man. Even as a youth, I understood the need to cooperate, and to avoid treating others in ways to which I would object were I so treated. I have always been able to imagine myself in someone else's shoes and attempt to understand why they do or say things. Bullies always confounded me, because, I could never understand what drove them, and I could never imagine myself, or any person with introspection, to be a bully. I realize Christians deny anyone but fellow Christians the ability to be honorable and righteous, but, that is mere adherence to scripture, not as a result of taking full note of humanity outside the christian world. There is a whole world of righteous, honorable men, worthy of reverence, OUTSIDE the christian faith.

If we were neighbors, you'd find yourself glad to have me as a neighbor, even though I wouldn't conceal my disbelief in the christian faith. I have a lifetime of making friends, even best of friends, with devout christians, who, they belatedly confess, find themselves accepting me as an honorable and worthy friend even though I grant no credence to their frequent quoting of scripture and the many tenants, from scripture, that they deem to have bearing on various situations we encounter in this life. I rely on my intelligence and that indescribable thing we call "heart" to help guide me through life in ways that are compatible with those who seek an ennoblement of our kind.

Peace.

Based on what you say, I imagine you have God in your heart more than you know. Like the guy who is the topic of this passage:

Luke 10:25-37


(it's about the "non-Christian" Good Samaritan)


All of human history demonstrates the wickedness that is in man's heart. Goodness is the exception, not the rule. Thankfully, the minority of good has kept the world from going to Hell for so long - and hence, the lesson of being the Salt of the Earth.