Now It's Personal: Koch Brothers "Freeze Out" Donald Trump

[Ares]

"He's not going away," warns one Republican committee member, adding "there are people who think his candidacy is a flash in the pan or a flash in the moment, but I think that underestimates his appeal." As Reuters reports, Trump has surged since suffering a slight downtick in the wake of the McCain furor, rocketing to 24.9% on Tuesday (compared to his closest rival, former Florida governor Jeb Bush, who trails at 12%). With everyone asking 'what can derail this?', perhaps, there is something. As Politico reports, the massively influential Koch brothers are freezing out Donald Trump from their influential political operation - denying him access to their state-of-the-art data and refusing to let him speak to their gatherings of grass-roots activists or major donors.



As Reuters reports,

Predictions of his demise were apparently premature. Instead, Trump is gaining momentum ahead of next week's first Republican debate, a new Reuters/Ipsos opinion poll shows.



The poll shows Trump with his greatest support yet nationally, as nearly a quarter of Republicans surveyed said he would be their choice as the party's presidential nominee in 2016. He has opened up a double-digit lead over his closest rival, former Florida governor Jeb Bush, who trails at 12 percent.



"I’m proud to be in first place by such a wide margin in another national poll," Trump said in a statement to Reuters.



Trump has surged since suffering a slight downtick in the wake of the McCain furor. The five-day rolling online poll had the real-estate mogul and reality TV star at 15 percent among Republicans on Friday before rocketing to 24.9 percent on Tuesday.



...



But perhaps of greater concern to establishment Republicans, Reuters/Ipsos polling also shows that in a three-way race with Trump running as an independent in the general election, Trump would drain support from the Republican nominee and allow the Democrat, likely Hillary Clinton, to skate to victory.



Trump has refused to rule out a possible independent run. In a matchup with Clinton and Bush, he would essentially tie Bush at about 23 percent among likely voters, with Clinton winning the White House with 37 percent of the vote. (About 15 percent of those polled said they were undecided or would not vote.)



It is that scenario that should keep party strategists up at night.

Which prehaps explains, as Politico reports, The Koch brothers decision to freeze-out The Donald from their operations...

Despite a long and cordial relationship between the real estate showman and David Koch, as well as a raft of former Koch operatives who are now running Trump’s presidential campaign, the Koch political operation appears to have concluded that Trump is the wrong standard-bearer for the GOP. And the network of Koch-backed policy and political outfits is using behind-the-scenes influence to challenge Trump more forcefully than the Republican Party establishment — by limiting his access to the support and data that would help him translate his lead in the polls into a sustainable White House campaign.



The Koch operation has spurned entreaties from the Trump campaign to purchase state-of-the-art data and analytics services from a Koch-backed political tech firm called i360, and also turned down a request to allow Trump to speak at an annual grass-roots summit next month in Columbus, Ohio, sponsored by the Koch-backed group Americans for Prosperity, POLITICO has learned.



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Continued stiff-arming by the powerful Koch network could limit Trump’s ability to build a professional campaign operation to mobilize supporters ahead of primaries and caucuses.



“The good news is that Donald Trump doesn’t need the Koch brothers, and he can do this perfectly without their assistance,” said Josh Youssef, who’s chairing Trump’s campaign in Belknap County, New Hampshire. Of the Kochs, Youssef said: “Their motivations are clearly not to break the mold of political insider-ship. Their goal is to keep the wheel spinning. Trump’s bad for business for them.”



Still, the Koch network’s rejections of Trump are telling because of the relationships between Trump and his aides, and the Kochs and their operation.

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We conclude with the two opposing views from within the Republican party...

"The activists are doubly angry," Geer said. "He's capturing that anger. They're looking for a voice, and he happens to be here at the right time.”

and

"The curtain has not been pulled back yet," Feehery said. "In time, people will see Trump is not who they want to have as a nominee. But that’s going to take awhile."


http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-07-30/now-its-personal-koch-brothers-freeze-out-donald-trump

[Neuro]

Trump will be the enabler of a Hillary presidency.

[Cebu_4_2]

Trump will be the enabler of a Hillary presidency.


Haven't heard much about Rand lately have we?

[madfranks]

Trump will be the enabler of a Hillary presidency.

The more this all pans out, the more I think this is exactly what will happen. Trump will either quit the GOP or get booted, then announce his third party candidacy, thereby guaranteeing a Hillary win.

[Cebu_4_2]

The more this all pans out, the more I think this is exactly what will happen. Trump will either quit the GOP or get booted, then announce his third party candidacy, thereby guaranteeing a Hillary win.

That's what everyone is saying, everyone is never right when it comes to these selections. I have no clue what will happen but it is good entertainment. I think Trump is all into this selection as he is a business
man and stands to aquire much more wealth in the process. I doubt he will walk away or go independant, too smart for that.

[EE_]

That's what everyone is saying, everyone is never right when it comes to these selections. I have no clue what will happen but it is good entertainment. I think Trump is all into this selection as he is a business
man and stands to aquire much more wealth in the process. I doubt he will walk away or go independant, too smart for that.

Trump is no slug looking to collect his check (like the rest of them), he's in it to win it. This guy only knows winning and has the ego to prove it. The only way he get out, is if something bad happens to him, or his family, or the Jews come to him and say get out...showing him the JFK photo.

[Cebu_4_2]

Trump is no slug looking to collect his check (like the rest of them), he's in it to win it. This guy only knows winning and has the ego to prove it. The only way he get out, is if something bad happens to him, or his family, or the Jews come to him and say get out...showing him the JFK photo.

The first GOP debate will be on August 6, 2015. It will be in Cleveland, Ohio, and hosted by Fox News (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/05/20/fox-news-facebook-to-host-first-2016-gop-primary-debate/) and Facebook. The party's second debate will be on September 16, 2015, at the Ronald Reagan Presidential Library in Simi Valley, California, and aired on CNN (http://www.cnn.com/2015/05/20/politics/cnn-republican-candidates-debate/index.html).
Both of these initial debates will be limited to the 10 candidates who are polling the best — which has caused some controversy (http://www.usnews.com/news/politics/articles/2015/06/10/prominent-nh-republicans-want-debate-open-to-all-candidates), given the massive size of the Republican field (http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2015/6/9/8716137/2016-presidential-candidates-guide). Earlier on each debate day, both Fox News (http://press.foxnews.com/2015/06/fox-news-channel-to-host-candidate-forum-ahead-of-first-gop-primary-debate-august-6th/) and CNN (http://www.cnn.com/2015/05/20/politics/cnn-republican-candidates-debate/index.html) will air events with candidates who don't make the cut.
Then, the third debate will be on October 28, 2015, in Boulder, Colorado, and will air on CNBC. More debates are scheduled for the following months — the Republican National Committee has approved nine in total (http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2015/01/16/republicans-release-slimmer-presidential-debate-schedule/) between now and the end of February 2016, with three more expected to be scheduled.
Democratic presidential debate scheduleA Democratic presidential debate in Philadelphia on October 30, 2007. (Virginia Sherwood/NBC NewsWire)
The Democratic National Committee has announced plans for six debates, beginning in the fall of this year. The debate dates have not yet been set, but Iowa, New Hampshire, South Carolina, and Nevada will each host one. One candidate, Sen. Bernie Sanders (http://www.vox.com/2014/10/14/6839305/bernie-sanders-running-for-president-2016), has called on the party to schedule more debates (http://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2015/06/03/bernie-sanders-calls-for-more-and-earlier-debates/).

[Cebu_4_2]

Maybe they will just ignore Trump like they did RP? I doubt he would sit there silent like good old Ron did. I think they will try to rile him up and make him look unstable or something. I don't like any of the candidates at all but do like entertainment. I like how Trump is shaking things up allready lol.

[EE_]

Who's in, who's out, who has a chance yet.

I've been seeing Rick Perry appear everywhere, trying his ass off to get in.


1.) Donald Trump
RealClearPolling average: 18.2 percent
Debate status: Lock.

Much to the dismay of the GOP establishment, The Donald is very much still around. Even his real-war-heroes-don’t-get-captured shtick hasn’t derailed his campaign. He’s finished atop five of the six most recent national polls, and placed a close second in the other. The laws of politics (and general decorum) have yet to catch up with Trump; they’re unlikely to before next Tuesday.

2.) Jeb Bush
RCP average: 13.7 percent
Debate status: Lock

Bush was expected to run a shock-and-awe campaign that would clear a crowded field. His massive fundraising totals aside, though, the biggest shock of his campaign has been how little he’s controlled the race. Still, the former Florida governor remains the establishment favorite and has continued to poll in the top-three pretty much all year long. Trump may be stealing the spotlight but he doesn’t appear to be actually stealing Jeb’s support.

3.) Scott Walker
RCP average: 11.7 percent
Debate status: Lock

Walker would prefer the national conversation was focused on Iowa, which will hold the first nominating contest of 2016 and where the Wisconsin governor currently sits atop the polls. But Walker remains safely in the top-tier in the national surveys. In the past six polls, Walker has three second-place finishes to his name.

4.) Marco Rubio
RCP average: 6.8 percent
Debate status: Near-Lock

The final member of the GOP establishment’s Big Three, Rubio hasn’t exactly lived up to that title. The Florida senator hasn’t been able to keep pace with Bush and Walker in the polls and currently finds himself at the top of the main heap. Still, with his name recognition and perceived frontrunner status, Rubio will have the chance in Cleveland to right the ship.

5.) Mike Huckabee and Ben Carson
RCP average: 6.0 percent a piece
Debate status: Safe

Two favorites of the Evangelical set, Huckabee and Carson have remained in the thick of the nominating contest for months. Carson has done so rather quietly, winning over voters at GOP cattle calls and on conservative media. Huckabee, meanwhile, has begun to make as much noise as he possibly can—even if that means adding his own corollary to Godwin’s Law in the process.

7.) Ted Cruz and Rand Paul
RCP average: 5.7 percent a piece
Debate status: Safe

Both senators have yet to live up to the hype that preceded their presidential campaigns—and both have turned increasingly desperate to stand out in a crowded field that continues to be dominated by Trump. Cruz has tried to buddy up with the billionaire frontrunner, while simultaneously lobbing bombs at his own party’s establishment on the Senate floor. Paul, meanwhile, has proved he’s willing to do just about anything short of setting himself on fire to get some of the attention being bestowed upon Trump. So far, though, stunts like taking a chainsaw to the U.S. tax code haven’t been able to steal the show from a professional showman.

9.) Chris Christie
RCP average: 3.0 percent
Debate status: Nervous

Four years ago, GOP powerbrokers were begging for the New Jersey governor to make a White House run. This year? Not so much. Bridgegate didn’t help things, but neither has his shifting position on Common Core or his moderate position on climate change. Two months ago he seemed like a safe bet to be on stage in Cleveland, but now he has his work cut out for him.

10.) John Kasich
RCP average: 2.2 percent
Debate status: Nervous

Kasich may have timed his official launch perfectly. Less than three weeks ago the Ohio governor sat three places and about two points away from snagging the final invite to a primetime event in his own backyard. Thanks to a post-announcement bump, he’s since inched into the top ten with less than a week to go. Helping his cause: A recent surge in New Hampshire, which may earn him some valuable free media over the next week.

11.) Rick Perry
RCP average: 2.0 percent
Debate status: Desperate

Perry is in real danger of missing out on the debate stage. Of the entire field, he’s been the most willing to go directly after Trump, calling the reality TV star a “cancer on conservatism.” Unless he finds some late momentum, though, the former Texas governor might be left to watch from home and yell insults at his television. The good news for Perry? If he misses out on the debate he’ll be spared reliving his “Oops” debacle from four years ago on a continuous cable news loop next week.

12-13.) Rick Santorum, Bobby Jindal, Carly Fiorina
RCP average: 1.5 percent, 1.3 percent, 1.3 percent respectively
Debate status: Never Say Never

All three are within one percentage point of the all-important tenth place—but time isn’t on their side. None have managed to really catch fire, even briefly, during the early campaign, and it’s unclear how they might pull off the trick before the buzzer sounds. Still, they’ll certainly try given a few points in a single poll this week could decide their respective fates. Watch out for something big from one or more of them in the next couple of days.

15.) Lindsey Graham
RCP average: 0.2 percent
Debate status: Say Never

http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2015/07/28/gop_debate_who_is_definitely_in_who_is_definitely_ out_and_who_is_very_nervous.html

[EE_]

Maybe they will just ignore Trump like they did RP? I doubt he would sit there silent like good old Ron did. I think they will try to rile him up and make him look unstable or something. I don't like any of the candidates at all but do like entertainment. I like how Trump is shaking things up allready lol.


I'm betting one of the losers has been coached to get Trumps goat. If they can get him to lose his temper, they might have a chance to push Bush up.

Three things I think they will attack him with...(Carson) on abortion, (Huckabee) on his faith and (Rubio) on his knowledge of foreign affairs.

[Cebu_4_2]

What a fucking mess, can you post a link?

How were you able to edit that?

[gunDriller]

it may just be for show or 'ego' ... but i like it When Rich People Fight. :)

[osoab]

Zionists Use Donald Trump to Fix Another Election (http://henrymakow.com/donald_trump_is_masonic_false.html)

Like a turd that won't flush, Donald Trump is back again to serve his Illuminati Jewish masters. This time around, his role is to win the GOP nomination and throw the election to Hillary Clinton, the Illuminati bankers' preferred candidate.

[Cebu_4_2]

Zionists Use Donald Trump to Fix Another Election (http://henrymakow.com/donald_trump_is_masonic_false.html)




Propaganda is now "legal" so anything I read is with a grain of salt. I should cut back on the salt.

[EE_]

Zionists Use Donald Trump to Fix Another Election (http://henrymakow.com/donald_trump_is_masonic_false.html)

Gotta knock Trump's poll numbers down somehow to keep it close for Bush. Nice bullshit hit piece. They get a C- for trying.

[Neuro]

Gotta knock Trump's poll numbers down somehow to keep it close for Bush. Nice bullshit hit piece. They get a C- for trying.
I doubt many potential Trump voters would read Henry Makow. Trump is an Israel Firster. Even if he would get the Republican nomination, instead of third party run, Hillary would win over him...

[Cebu_4_2]

Even if he would get the Republican nomination, instead of third party run, Hillary would win over him...


Via Diebold

[Neuro]

Via Diebold
Probably not necessary even! 25-30% of Republican voters like him. The rest would rather vote for Hillary than him. He is there to guarantee Hildebeasts presidency!

[mick silver]

Donald Trump Defends Past Donations to Top Democrats
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jY2YGdxaAk8&feature=youtu.be In the past, Republican presidential contender Donald Trump has given money to Hillary Clinton, Nancy Pelosi, and Harry Reid. And, to put it mildly, the GOP base might not be terribly enthusiastic about nominating a candidate who gave money to top Democrats.

[gunDriller]

i would like to see some ambitious gardener attempt a "Donald Trump" bush,
Edward Scissorhands style.

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/07/11/article-2360148-0063D8AE00000258-225_964x624.jpg

[Neuro]

The first GOP debate will be on August 6, 2015. It will be in Cleveland, Ohio, and hosted by Fox News (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/05/20/fox-news-facebook-to-host-first-2016-gop-primary-debate/) and Facebook.
Did it start yet?

[Cebu_4_2]

Did it start yet?

Fuck if I know, here is 1 link to facebook: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/05/20/fox-news-facebook-to-host-first-2016-gop-primary-debate/

Fucking formatting...

The debate will be presented live from 9-11 p.m. ET, on Fox News Channel
(http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/05/20/fox-news-facebook-to-host-first-2016-gop-primary-debate/)

[Neuro]

I'll be going to bed tell who was the pitbull on trump...