My personal most important SHTF list. What is yours?

[ximmy]

This is not a 100 top list of essentials.

This is my personal focus on protecting myself and extended family at my property?

I'm curious as to what yours is.

1. water treatment, collecting & storage.
2. solar & battery power for electrics, refrigeration, cooking, heating, cooling
3. food storage and some ability to plant food
4. lots of clothes for all seasons
5. weapons
6. Useful barter items I am stacking such as gasoline, vodka, natural gas, silver, ammo, etc.

[Shami-Amourae]

Bugout Bag
http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?59543-Building-a-Bugout-Bag


I modified the bugout bag I posted in that thread since of experience with it. I found its good to have a smaller trekking bugout bag that's light (10-15 pounds.) I use the smaller one when I'm out in the wilderness.




I think ready to eat food is a must. I'm talking stuff you can eat without heating that has a long shelf life. A good option I've found is canned fruit since you can drink the liquid too.


I'd add vitamins/supplements to your list. If you're having to bug in long term you'll eat a lot of freeze dried food and crappy unfresh food. I'd also have supplements if you get diarrhea or something like that on you. Like for example in my bugout bag I have activated charcoal, fiber, electrolyte, and anti-diarrhea capsules.

Barter is fucking a bad idea unless everyone around you is likeminded. It will be all out insanity and you'll want to bug-in.


I think another good idea is to have battery powered alarms you can put on your doors and windows. So if you're asleep at night and someone breaks in it will ring and you'll have time to access your firearm and defend yourself.
http://www.amazon.com/GE-Personal-Security-Window-Alarm/dp/B00178HMCI/

These are super cheap too. No reason not to have them.

[palani]

Not necessarily in order of importance

1. Books
2. More Books
3. Education
4. Seal
5. Flag
6. Coat of Arms
7. Legal Notice(s)
8. Recordings (County recorders office)
9. Private papers
10. Public papers
11. Administrative procedure(s)
12. Status

[Jewboo]

This is not a 100 top list of essentials.

This is my personal focus on protecting myself and extended family at my property?

I'm curious as to what yours is.

1. water treatment, collecting & storage.
2. solar & battery power for electrics, refrigeration, cooking, heating, cooling
3. food storage and some ability to plant food
4. lots of clothes for all seasons
5. weapons
6. Useful barter items I am stacking such as gasoline, vodka, natural gas, silver, ammo, etc.




https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e1/Aerial_photo_of_Los_Angeles,_California_01.jpg



This property anywhere near Southern California?


:)

[Shami-Amourae]

This property anywhere near Southern California?


:)


I think the smartest thing to do if you lived in heavily populated area like Southern California is to have a boat.


Ximmy, have you ever seen the documentary/movie After Armageddon?

It's about a Southern Californian family who escapes to Idaho during SHTF.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0U29JW3hGIs

[ximmy]

Not necessarily in order of importance

1. Books
2. More Books
3. Education
4. Seal
5. Flag
6. Coat of Arms
7. Legal Notice(s)
8. Recordings (County recorders office)
9. Private papers
10. Public papers
11. Administrative procedure(s)
12. Status


I have lots of books too.

[ximmy]

This property anywhere near Southern California?


:)


I live in a suburb that has larger parcels. even though I only have 1/4 acre most of my neighbors have larger properties.

[Hitch]

It's about a Southern Californian family who escapes to Idaho during SHTF.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0U29JW3hGIs

I'll give this a watch, but I can already tell this is a bad idea. You can't escape to someplace, show up hungry, needing help and expect others to take you in because it's "safe" there.

When SHTF, you have to be at that safe spot. And...have some sort of skill or knowledge to contribute. Likeminded people will form and help each other and survive, but you have to be there and be a part of it beforehand, and be able to contribute. You did good, Shami, you moved to Idaho and planted yourself before any sort of societal collapse. You thought ahead, and bettered your situation to survive. People in So. Cal are screwed, sorry Ximmy, but it's true. Probably not what you want to hear.

Bottom line, bugging out is a bad idea, usually left for those who have no other choice.

[ximmy]

I'll give this a watch, but I can already tell this is a bad idea. You can't escape to someplace, show up hungry, needing help and expect others to take you in because it's "safe" there.

When SHTF, you have to be at that safe spot. And...have some sort of skill or knowledge to contribute. Likeminded people will form and help each other and survive, but you have to be there and be a part of it beforehand, and be able to contribute. You did good, Shami, you moved to Idaho and planted yourself before any sort of societal collapse. You thought ahead, and bettered your situation to survive. People in So. Cal are screwed, sorry Ximmy, but it's true. Probably not what you want to hear.

Bottom line, bugging out is a bad idea, usually left for those who have no other choice.

I'm not afraid of dying. Lots of different things could happen.
I may not even be here, I'm still working on a rural getaway.
If I have to stay put I am giving it my best shot.
Don't feel sorry for me.

Who knows, something like in Detroit could happen here, then I will own the whole neighborhood.

Detroit side lot sales help battle blight
Detroit — Linda Gadsden spent years living next door to an overgrown and weed-filled dumping ground.
By next summer, the 63-year-old Detroiter says it will be a lush garden with pumpkins, watermelon, tomatoes, lettuce and greens.
It cost Gadsden less than two hours and $100 to snap up the property next to her corner lot home on Indiana Avenue during a Detroit Land Bank Authority side lot sale fair last month.
Mayor Mike Duggan’s administration launched the program last year to make it easier for residents to purchase vacant lots. Formerly, the process of gaining ownership had often been tedious and spanned years.
“There were times that I would go out and attempt to stop people from dumping things, but (the lot) wasn’t mine. Therefore, my voice didn’t carry a lot of weight,” Gadsden said. “It’s exciting to finally be able to maintain something that belongs to me.”
Duggan announced the pilot effort last winter to accelerate the sale of side lots through targeted fairs serving residents within specific City Council districts.
Just eight months in, officials say the program is a success, with Detroit on pace to get 3,000 vacant lots into the hands of residents by the end of the year. Officials said between online and neighborhood fairs, side lot sales mark a 10-fold increase from the previous maximum of about 300 side lot sales each year.
As of July 25, the land bank had sold 2,188 side lots in neighborhoods throughout the city. Of those, 1,324 were sold at six neighborhood fairs beginning in December; 864 have been purchased online since July 2014.
“We have sold 2,000 side lots. That’s 2,000 houses in the city where the homeowner is able to have a little bit more room to plant a garden, put in a fence or give themselves a bigger yard,” Duggan said. “We managed to solve the bureaucracy which used to take years.”

http://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/local/detroit-city/2015/08/16/side-lots/31833677/

[Hitch]

Who knows, something like in Detroit could happen here, then I will own the whole neighborhood.

Detroit is something like 98% black, you are a white women, so I'm assuming from your posts. How is that going to work out for you?

I don't feel sorry for you. Like you, I am not afraid of dying, I just don't want to up the chances, and I don't see any reason on making survival more difficult than it already is, or needs to be. I know you are smart and well prepared, but the fact of the matter is, you live in a big city with scared, dependent on the system, people. Millions of them. They will all come unglued at the same time, in a collapse.

[Shami-Amourae]

I'm not afraid of dying. Lots of different things could happen.
I may not even be here, I'm still working on a rural getaway.
If I have to stay put I am giving it my best shot.
Don't feel sorry for me.

Who knows, something like in Detroit could happen here, then I will own the whole neighborhood.

A family friend moved out here from Southern California. She had an average middle class suburban house and sold it. When she moved to Idaho she was able to buy 4 houses of the same size/quality. She rented out the other 3.

Just saying.

[Shami-Amourae]

Detroit is something like 98% black, you are a white women, so I'm assuming from your posts. How is that going to work out for you?

I don't feel sorry for you. Like you, I am not afraid of dying, I just don't want to up the chances, and I don't see any reason on making survival more difficult than it already is, or needs to be. I know you are smart and well prepared, but the fact of the matter is, you live in a big city with scared, dependent on the system, people. Millions of them. They will all come unglued at the same time, in a collapse.


Since when did you become the Neo-Nazi White Supremacist? Wow you are a bigot now. Why do you have Black people? How do you atone for your White Privilege?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yml_-Mx82wY

[ximmy]

Detroit is something like 98% black, you are a white women, so I'm assuming from your posts. How is that going to work out for you?

I don't feel sorry for you. Like you, I am not afraid of dying, I just don't want to up the chances, and I don't see any reason on making survival more difficult than it already is, or needs to be. I know you are smart and well prepared, but the fact of the matter is, you live in a big city with scared, dependent on the system, people. Millions of them. They will all come unglued at the same time, in a collapse.

I don't live in the big city. I work in the big city. I used to have an apartment in the big city, but I gave that up. My home is in a suburb with larger lots and parcels spread out. I bought my small house on purpose because of the awesome area and land around me. And, Thank god, my street is a dead end so there is no through traffic and it is easy to defend if the neighbors on my street should work together. No, it is not my ideal bugout, but it can work.

[Hitch]

Since when did you become the Neo-Nazi White Supremacist? Wow you are a bigot now. Why do you have Black people? How do you atone for your White Privilege?

I'm proud to be white, I am proud of my ancestry, and I'm grateful to God for having created me the way I am.

I know that makes me a bigot for saying that, the agenda, the media, etc. But, in fact, I am not a bigot. People of all cultures should be proud and embrace who THEY are, as God intended. We are all God's children.

Please do assume things about me, when I post them, going forward. But fact remains, a white woman in a 98% black neighborhood is asking for trouble. Everyone, even black folks, should agree on that one.

[ximmy]

A family friend moved out here from Southern California. She had an average middle class suburban house and sold it. When she moved to Idaho she was able to buy 4 houses of the same size/quality. She rented out the other 3.

Just saying.

I thought about doing that. This current bubble has made my property a gold mine, but I have other plans & ideas.

[ximmy]

I'm proud to be white, I am proud of my ancestry, and I'm grateful to God for having created me the way I am.

I know that makes me a bigot for saying that, the agenda, the media, etc. But, in fact, I am not a bigot. People of all cultures should be proud and embrace who THEY are, as God intended. We are all God's children.

Please do assume things about me, when I post them, going forward. But fact remains, a white woman in a 98% black neighborhood is asking for trouble. Everyone, even black folks, should agree on that one.

Who said anything about moving to Detroit?

[Dogman]

Who knows what lurks in the hearts of men?

The Shadow knows !

;)

[EE_]

A family friend moved out here from Southern California. She had an average middle class suburban house and sold it. When she moved to Idaho she was able to buy 4 houses of the same size/quality. She rented out the other 3.

Just saying.

It's amazing when you think how many people hit the house lottery in CA and choose to say in the rat race, when they can do what your family's friend did and just about retire on the rents collected.

[Hitch]

I don't live in the big city. I work in the big city. I used to have an apartment in the big city, but I gave that up. My home is in a suburb with larger lots and parcels spread out. I bought my small house on purpose because of the awesome area and land around me. And, Thank god, my street is a dead end so there is no through traffic and it is easy to defend if the neighbors on my street should work together. No, it is not my ideal bugout, but it can work.

The suburbs is where all the hungry people from the big city will go to first.

My situation is not ideal either. I'm well set up in a small town, but I'm only there half the time. I work 7 days in a row, in the big city here. I have 7 days off where I can feel safe, and prepared, best I can, at home. I've got a 50/50 chance on where I am if something big happens.

I do think though, forums like this are a great way to keep up on things, perhaps see the unfolding happening before the masses of people do. I also think we'll have a few days, even in a major collapse, to last minute prepare and get where we want to be, before the chaos. Most folks just care about the last iphone, not on following disasters.

[ximmy]

It's amazing when you think how many people hit the house lottery in CA and choose to say in the rat race, when they can do what your family's friend did and just about retire on the rents collected.

What you say is true but family connections are very strong. I still want to be near my loving friends than safe and alone. :(

[EE_]

I'm proud to be white, I am proud of my ancestry, and I'm grateful to God for having created me the way I am.

I know that makes me a bigot for saying that, the agenda, the media, etc. But, in fact, I am not a bigot. People of all cultures should be proud and embrace who THEY are, as God intended. We are all God's children.

Please do assume things about me, when I post them, going forward. But fact remains, a white woman in a 98% black neighborhood is asking for trouble. Everyone, even black folks, should agree on that one.

I don't think we are all God's children. Many are the spawn of Satan and are here to only do evil. Many of them change their names in an attempt to hide themselves. I don't think they are proud, or embrace who they are...they are only proud of what they can take, or destroy. They revel in the misery they bring to others.

[Shami-Amourae]

I thought about doing that. This current bubble has made my property a gold mine, but I have other plans & ideas.

If the drought continues, housing prices will drop.

I also think housing prices will drop if there is an economic collapse like we thing there is.

The average person cannot buy a house anymore, and people are renting more and more.

If you can own real estate these days you have solid cash flow since renting demand is going up.

[EE_]

What you say is true but family connections are very strong. I still want to be near my loving friends than safe and alone. :(

I don't blame you at all. Everyone has to weigh what is best for themselves, what is most important, what makes you happy. The chips will fall where they may.
There are many, some I know of, that should be doing just what shami's friend did.

I could never live in a remote bug-out location waiting for Armageddon. I would die from the isolation from people.
I chose to live in a more rural area, that is still near everything. I'm at the end of a cul de sac on a great street of large properties. There is plenty of food all around me.

[ximmy]

If the drought continues, housing prices will drop.

I also think housing prices will drop if there is an economic collapse like we thing there is.

The average person cannot buy a house anymore, and people are renting more and more.

If you can own real estate these days you have solid cash flow since renting demand is going up.

I'm waiting for the bubble to burst, so I can buy more... I could cash out and relocate or wait here. Either way, Ximmy planning on doing some gleaning of her own.

[Jewboo]

What you say is true but family connections are very strong. I still want to be near my loving friends than safe and alone. :(



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I assumed this about your situation Ximmy and understand why moving out of state to where the White People are seems not an option......yet.

Just remember that literally surviving is the ultimate goal. A viable future for your little ximmies and nieces and nephews.

:)

[Jewboo]

I also think we'll have a few days, even in a major collapse, to last minute prepare and get where we want to be, before the chaos.




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[Horn]

shtf and real estate investment shouldn't be mentioned in the same thread, imo.

unless its investing in the piece you have to make it less able to egress.

I'd think it mostly placated in 3 days time, then food made available by vaccination only.

[Hitch]

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:rolleyes: GSUS Post Of The Year


I guess you missed my post where I stated you should be where you need to be, ahead of time.

I forgive you Book. Not everyone catches everything, and I know you are not the type of person to pick out the worst and focus on that. That's not you. :rolleyes:

[Horn]

Jewboo's jammin...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1gwXi54FqJw