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Carl
25th August 2015, 04:29 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jIFK0NhMVws

palani
25th August 2015, 05:26 PM
Capitalism was created to combat communism. The end of capitalism signals the end to communism.

Without a controversy there is no dispute.

singular_me
25th August 2015, 05:46 PM
downloaded it yesterday, most likely the scariest overview I have ever listened to.

the less (paid labor) is more (profits).... no monetary system can fix this equation... more knowledge=less materialism

my essay on the emphatic society is precisely about a money free system as a result of technology

Dogman
25th August 2015, 06:02 PM
If machines do all the manufacturing and there is nothing for people to do...

The society as we know it would not exist, there would be very few jobs. Only jobs for the programmers and the people that maintain the equipment would exist.

Utopian ?

Never happen, too much greed in the hearts of men for it to happen.

Cebu_4_2
25th August 2015, 06:26 PM
If machines do all the manufacturing and there is nothing for people to do...

The society as we know it would not exist, there would be very few jobs. Only jobs for the programmers and the people that maintain the equipment would exist.

Utopian ?

Never happen, too much greed in the hearts of men for it to happen.

fucking formattind bullfuck shit ******* sucks ass. Fuck this shit... no one like me her anyways fuck this fucking bullfucking shit. fuck you too!

Dogman
25th August 2015, 06:33 PM
fucking formattind bullfuck shit ******* sucks ass. Fuck this shit... no one like me her anyways fuck this fucking bullfucking shit. fuck you too!

Don't hold back tell me how you really feel !

Is it your time of the month or phase of the moon?

http://gold-silver.us/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=7809&stc=1

osoab
25th August 2015, 07:13 PM
fucking formattind bullfuck shit ******* sucks ass. Fuck this shit... no one like me her anyways fuck this fucking bullfucking shit. fuck you too!

wtf do you mean. Place wouldn't be the same without ya. And oddly, the preview and edit has been working for me this evening. Maybe the slumlord has some sort of random IP thing where IP's get good use of the board certain days of the week?

Dogman
25th August 2015, 07:19 PM
wtf do you mean. Place wouldn't be the same without ya. And oddly, the preview and edit has been working for me this evening. Maybe the slumlord has some sort of random IP thing where IP's get good use of the board certain days of the week? LMAO!

Here you go !


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sSXiLVsq0cI

Or the original...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zcSlcNfThUA

Busting my gut hooting my ass off...

;)

Santa
25th August 2015, 07:56 PM
Very good video.

Oh no, it was made by Peter Joseph.

I can't agree with anything in that video.

It would make me an anti-capitalist Marxist socialist occultist liberal Jew lover.

Ach! Someone ban me.

singular_me
26th August 2015, 03:37 PM
once AI is created, programmers will be too jobless... AI will self build and replicate, improve without any human intervention. However human's brain may even no longer understand his own mega computers... unless he has nanosensors connect to his brain to accelerate the pace of his thinking.

Knowledge leads back to the Eden Tale... that is why adam and eve disobeyed out of boredom in a world where everything was free... so they got sent back to square one.

I can imagine a life dedicated to arts, improve my intellect, cosmic understanding, meet with like minded people - without having to chase money. Do you?

But I digress, NWO wants to kill off 80% of mankind first. And AI at the NWO's image... devilish.



If machines do all the manufacturing and there is nothing for people to do...

The society as we know it would not exist, there would be very few jobs. Only jobs for the programmers and the people that maintain the equipment would exist.

Utopian ?

Never happen, too much greed in the hearts of men for it to happen.

osoab
26th August 2015, 05:42 PM
Very good video.

Oh no, it was made by Peter Joseph.

I can't agree with anything in that video.

It would make me an anti-capitalist Marxist socialist occultist liberal Jew lover.

Ach! Someone ban me.

Or it's a Jew that knows what is coming down is just skimming off the remaining cream. He's just neglected to tell the viewers that his tribe has some responsibility to the coming attractions. :D

I haven't listen to the OP vid as of yet.

singular_me
27th August 2015, 01:29 PM
Jew or not Peter Joseph has pointed to the root cause in his zeitgeist series. And I am glad that he broke up with the 'venus project" which had UN ties. He made a release about it 3 or 4 years ago.

25% is a very conservative estimate... Id say 35% at least

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Robots will cut 25% of US jobs in four years, transform workforce – report
27th August 2015
The encroachment of self-help kiosks and grocery store scanners has led doomsayers to suggest automation threatens the workforce of the future. A new report argues it will create new business sectors and new jobs as well.

By studying large companies in various industries, from Delta Airlines Inc. to Whole Foods Market Inc., as well as many startups, analysts have forecast that automation will erase 22.7 million jobs by 2025, or 16 percent of today’s total.

The prediction comes in a report titled “The Future of Jobs, 2025: Working Side-By-Side with Robots,” published by Forrester Research this week. The study’s findings were drawn from government employment data, and interviews with businesses and academics.’

http://www.rt.com/usa/313566-robots-cut-jobs-study/?utm_source=browser&utm_medium=aplication_chrome&utm_campaign=chrome

Jewboo
27th August 2015, 01:50 PM
Jew or not Peter Joseph has pointed to the root cause in his zeitgeist series. And I am glad that he broke up with the 'venus project" which had UN ties.



https://www.singularityweblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/Jacque-Fresco-Venus-Project.jpg



Nice try Goldi. This is the JEW behind your Venus Project...not the loominaughty UN.


:rolleyes:



Joseph learned about the Venus Project when Fresco, having seen Zeitgeist, sent him one of his books. For Joseph, Fresco’s highly detailed vision of a world without money, a world where work itself is largely unnecessary and human ills like greed and crime are obsolete, was a revelation.

Soon, Joseph was devoting himself to spreading the word about Fresco and The Venus Project. His second film, Zeitgeist: Addendum, starts in much the same vein as the first, with an attack on the international financial system. But then it shifts to a worshipful examination of Fresco’s work, offering it as a solution to the ravages of the current system. Joseph’s latest film, Zeitgeist: Moving Forward, further elaborates Fresco’s irenic vision of a “resource-based economy,” one without poverty, inequality, or environmental strain.

Shami-Amourae
27th August 2015, 02:15 PM
The Zeitgeist Project brings up good points about how automation is going to doom Capitalism as we know it. I watched the full video and it it just restates stuff I already knew.

Basically as technology improves, technological unemployment gets greater and greater.


This movement attracts a lot of idiotic Marxist college kids who wear Che shirts unfortunately. The "Zeitgeist" Movement is is full of people who are Communists, and don't want to work. The people who DO work are already Capitalists, so this bright future they speak of isn't likely to occur. The Zeitgeist Project seeks to eliminate money and remold/reprogram humans against their natural tendencies. Basically it points out many of the flaws with the current system, but comes up with idiotic and unworkable solutions that have all be tried before.


A more realistic outcome with technological unemployment is a minimum income. That's the only realistic way I see we can maintain somewhat of a market system so economics can continue forward. All of these social experiments don't work since they go against human nature, and provide no incentive to work, create, or contribute to civilization.

singular_me
27th August 2015, 02:24 PM
you are trashing the OP because you tend to shoot the messenger based on his racial/cultural background.......... but is is all TRUE. so what now ???

yes joseph made a public announcement that he was no longer collaborating with the venus project. Will find utube vid and post it.

try to resolve LESS paid workers = MORE profits instead... and tell us HOW any monetary system can resolve that ??? Then you may give a change to the resource based economy. It is the intent rules the aftermath of all concepts... Keep attacking when you have no clue as how to address the robotic equation... stop progress/evolution? what are you doing on here then?

gold standard will surely create jobs when 30% of people have no job, because there is NO job. LOL

chritsians hate zeigeist because it compares the story of jesus to so many myths that have existed before him/his. Sorry... facts are facts.

prepare yourself for the end of money.


Peter Joseph on The Zeitgeist Movement, Venus Project split - Part 1

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9bhLmsgdwhs




https://www.singularityweblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/Jacque-Fresco-Venus-Project.jpg



Nice try Goldi. This is the JEW behind your Venus Project...not the loominaughty UN.


:rolleyes:



Joseph learned about the Venus Project when Fresco, having seen Zeitgeist, sent him one of his books. For Joseph, Fresco’s highly detailed vision of a world without money, a world where work itself is largely unnecessary and human ills like greed and crime are obsolete, was a revelation.

Soon, Joseph was devoting himself to spreading the word about Fresco and The Venus Project. His second film, Zeitgeist: Addendum, starts in much the same vein as the first, with an attack on the international financial system. But then it shifts to a worshipful examination of Fresco’s work, offering it as a solution to the ravages of the current system. Joseph’s latest film, Zeitgeist: Moving Forward, further elaborates Fresco’s irenic vision of a “resource-based economy,” one without poverty, inequality, or environmental strain.

singular_me
27th August 2015, 02:40 PM
sounds like communism to me.... can't humans dedicate their lives to do anything they are passionate for, or will they ever need to chase money like primitive tribes chasing preys?

the caveman paradigm is coming to an end.... strange that I am the only one seeing this. So now the new communism is seeking the abolition of money... but everybody working for a minimum income isnt communist.... dualism at its best. Nowhere to turn...

the killing of billions is needed because they are not prepared to this paradigm collapse... and there lies the absolute evil.

Love rules Free Will




A more realistic outcome with technological unemployment is a minimum income. That's the only realistic way I see we can maintain somewhat of a market system so economics can continue forward. All of these social experiments don't work since they go against human nature, and provide no incentive to work, create, or contribute to civilization.

Shami-Amourae
27th August 2015, 02:44 PM
sounds like communism to me.... can humans dedicate their lives to do anything they are passionate for, or do they will ever need to chase money like primitive tribes chasing preys?

the caveman paradigm is coming to an end.... strange that I am the only one seeing this.

the killing of billions is needed because they are no prepared to this paradigm collapse... and there is the absolute evil.

I consider it more of a compromise. If all the rich people are getting all the money, and the poor consumers can't work since machines are doing all of the jobs they used to then there is no other real choice.

Milton Freedman proposed this too as a way to limit the size of government too:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xtpgkX588nM

singular_me
27th August 2015, 03:21 PM
listening.... after 10mins it seems enticing enough to share it. will finish it tonight when at home

Debate | Peter Joseph v Stefan Molyneux - 23rd 2013

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQRX7OvfsGw

Jewboo
27th August 2015, 06:54 PM
A more realistic outcome with technological unemployment is a minimum income. That's the only realistic way I see we can maintain somewhat of a market system so economics can continue forward. All of these social experiments don't work since they go against human nature, and provide no incentive to work, create, or contribute to civilization.



Keep feeding and housing the "useless eaters" in perpetuity?


:rolleyes: free shit forever for everyone!

Shami-Amourae
27th August 2015, 07:01 PM
Keep feeding and housing the "useless eaters" in perpetuity?


:rolleyes: free shit forever for everyone!

Jewboo. In 20 years or less about half of the jobs around will be fully automated according to the below article. Personally I think this will get much faster, like 10-12 years.

http://www.technologyreview.com/view/519241/report-suggests-nearly-half-of-us-jobs-are-vulnerable-to-computerization/


How are people "useless eaters" if they are unable to work since machines are doing the jobs? Right now there are jobs available, so I understand your argument now, but I'm telling you we are entering a radical shift in economics that will force even bright, hardworking, and intelligent people to be unemployable. I think by the time I'm your age only 10% of the popular will be working, supporting the other 90% of the population. The rest of work will be done by machines.

I recommend you watch the documentary "Will Work For Free" and "Humans Need Not Apply". They talk about technological unemployment and how it's going to take us all by surprise.

Shorter and to the point

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Pq-S557XQU

Longer and more in depth

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0SuGRgdJA_c


After White Genocide, Technological Unemployment will be the second largest problem facing humanity in the next century, in my opinion.

Jewboo
27th August 2015, 08:44 PM
I think by the time I'm your age only 10% of the popular will be working, supporting the other 90% of the population. The rest of work will be done by machines.



http://www.jewlicious.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/jewrobots.jpg
We make free shit for 90% of the goyim because Israel is kind


:rolleyes: good luck believing that Shami

Glass
27th August 2015, 09:45 PM
Given that the US population is going to fall to, was it 60 or 70 million ?? over the next 10 to 15 years, I don't thing unemployment is going to be much of an issue. Australia is expected to reduce population by 60%.

As a large portion of white people are approaching euthanasia age - retirement, I expect there to be a significant and reasonably sudden drop in population and consequently a freeing up of much resources

singular_me
28th August 2015, 08:30 AM
anyone really understanding the stakes, understands that Peter Joseph is not part of the NWO. He is genius as a thinker.

EXCELLENT DEBATE!

excerpt of my Emphatic Currency thesis (dont bother seeking for link, it is not online) in progress.

WILL WE EVER GET OUT OF MONETARY SERVITUDE?
To answer this question, one has first to ask: is chasing money and wealth accumulation the sole purpose of Life? If Life is all about it, seeking any spiritual path doesn't make any sense. So why were mythologies and religious dogmas created the first place? Intuitively, man knows that he has to surrender to all encompassing Force existing outside the realm of his perception, and this brings about the Fear of Being along with the ensuing fear of his own finitude. So in order to overcome this feeling of aloneness, man is prompted to find an escape by manifesting creativity, and each of his innovations are passed onto the next generations, which in turn continually improve the perception of his environment. The 'Act of Creation' is the purpose of Life and dictated by The Cosmic Mind. It is thus man's own willingness to grasp this, and if he does not his own creations will just reflect his inability to create out of Empathy and he will rather be tempted to use creativity to strengthen control structures, resulting in more Fear of Being. That very dual dynamics is which sustaining any monolithic ideologies.

finitude: The quality or condition of being finite.



listening.... after 10mins it seems enticing enough to share it. will finish it tonight when at home

Debate | Peter Joseph v Stefan Molyneux - 23rd 2013

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQRX7OvfsGw

Shami-Amourae
29th August 2015, 05:04 PM
anyone really understanding the stakes, understands that Peter Joseph is not part of the NWO. He is genius as a thinker.

EXCELLENT DEBATE!

excerpt of my Emphatic Currency thesis (dont bother seeking for link, it is not online) in progress.

WILL WE EVER GET OUT OF MONETARY SERVITUDE?
To answer this question, one has first to ask: is chasing money and wealth accumulation the sole purpose of Life? If Life is all about it, seeking any spiritual path doesn't make any sense. So why were mythologies and religious dogmas created the first place? Intuitively, man knows that he has to surrender to all encompassing Force existing outside the realm of his perception, and this brings about the Fear of Being along with the ensuing fear of his own finitude. So in order to overcome this feeling of aloneness, man is prompted to find an escape by manifesting creativity, and each of his innovations are passed onto the next generations, which in turn continually improve the perception of his environment. The 'Act of Creation' is the purpose of Life and dictated by The Cosmic Mind. It is thus man's own willingness to grasp this, and if he does not his own creations will just reflect his inability to create out of Empathy and he will rather be tempted to use creativity to strengthen control structures, resulting in more Fear of Being. That very dual dynamics is which sustaining any monolithic ideologies.

finitude: The quality or condition of being finite.

What I suggested is a compromise between both philosophies. Basically have limited government, and make the government's role to transfer wealth from rich to poor to balance shit out more. That's mostly their role.

You could get rid of all other entitlements and most government agencies/bureaucracies if that was governments primary role.

Carl
29th August 2015, 10:38 PM
Outlaw fractional reserve banking and credit being used as money, which will destroy credit driven Capitalism and its false paradigm of scarcity driven competition, and we can get back to a free enterprise market economy and its primarily purpose driven production and innovation.

Plus, something to consider:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d6x8RqiAqno

He proposes a base income for everyone.

singular_me
4th September 2015, 04:52 PM
debate goes on... and critiquing one another

am currently downloading the 3 of them, so I cannot comment. but considering that robotics is a fact and will eliminate most jobs, from factory worker to the surgeon, I cannot support anybody arguing in favor or any monetary system. I dont know enough about resource based economies, as to whether they to require a currency, but hoping to understand it better in a few hours. I may end up disagreeing with Peter Joseph if he starts talking about the need of a monetary system in the hands of economic managers.

the impasse we are faced with rather highlights the problem with whatever currency as Nature gives us everything free of charge to start with... and banking/speculating on zero investment is exactly why we'll never be able to accumulate anything, even with hard currencies. The tulip mania happened under a strict gold standard.

infamous mason francis bacon: To command Nature, one must first obey Her.... hence, there is a Cosmic Force (Natural Law) that brings everything back to an inescapable zero sum game.

Feel like getting close to UNsubverting this evil

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fUs6pAmaumM



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zQtz_3kSLI


(recommend to start with this one)
Peter Joseph | Lecture | Economic Calculation in a Natural Law

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bUDgfdy53Kc

Carl
4th September 2015, 05:03 PM
Stefan Molyneux is a lying douchebag piece of shit and he has the stench of cult about him.

singular_me
4th September 2015, 05:13 PM
used to like him but watch him less and less... I like the confrontation between the two though, it helps stretch the thinking.

thinkers thinking in term of Natural Laws have all my attention



Stefan Molyneux is a lying douchebag piece of shit and he has the stench of cult about him.

singular_me
6th September 2015, 09:54 AM
I watched the resource based economy and the debunking of molyneux so far and Peter Joseph is right: the inevitable flaw is competition and profits which can only be achieved with more technology, and whatever system empowering this will lead to the same exploitation of labor and environmental destruction. This also turns war into the main drive behind technology advances.

so molyneux is right but only within that flawed/restricted paradigm.

as for the resource based economy lecture, there is no talk about any monetary structure or preference, but based on "needs" as opposed to "wants" and full decentralization, a market based on demand instead of induced hyperconsumerism which is kept on life support by obsolescence, itself the result of the compulsive quest for profits.

The approach is worth listening to. Example: the oceans can provide all world power... Joseph also assumes that when choosing to go along with Nature instead of against it, people will work more out of passion than psychopathic stress. He does not expound much on robotics but lays out the challenge nonetheless, and stresses that without a mindset change, that doesnt bode well for humanity as a whole.

Shami-Amourae
6th September 2015, 09:59 AM
I watched the resource based economy and the debunking of molyneux so far and Peter Joseph is right: the inevitable flaw is competition and profits which can only be achieved with more technology, and whatever system empowering this will lead to the same exploitation of labor and environmental destruction. This also turns war as the main drive behind technology advances.

so molyneux is right but only within that flawed/restricted paradigm.

as for the resource based economy lecture, there is no talk about any monetary structure or preference, but based on "needs" as opposed to "wants" and full decentralization, a market based on demand instead of induced hyperconsumerism which is kept on life support by obsolescence, itself the result of the compulsive quest for profits.

The approach is worth listening to. Example: the oceans can provide all world power... Joseph also assumes that when choosing to go along with Nature instead of against it, people will work more out of passion than psychopathic stress. He does not expound much on robotics but lays out the challenge nonetheless, and stresses that without a mindset change, that doesnt bode well for humanity as a whole.

Do you see why I suggest a compromise between philosophies to act as a bridge/transition between the two paradigms?

singular_me
6th September 2015, 11:10 AM
um-um... going along with nature instead of against it will lead to a zero-sum game economy as profits and costs even out (including costs of losing clients because there are no jobs). a minimum wage to all cannot be implemented without a political body anyway, so we are back to square one, fighting the same evil.

dont see any purpose to have any monetary system when economic charts show a flat line.

Carl
6th September 2015, 02:27 PM
Joseph nails capitalism, but his 'resource based economy' is ill conceived.

Outlaw Fractional Reserve Banking and Credit being used as if it were money.

To extend that; demonetize gold, make it a tier1 asset against which all currencies are valued and do away with the "global reserve currency system", which, like USG debt, is a retarded throwback to the 'gold standard' days.

Under these conditions a base income could be provided without it being inflated away.

A market economy would still be the best means for the creation, production and distribution of goods and services, the only change would be in motivation. People will do it because they want to, not because they have to.

Corporations don't innovate, they just exploit the ones who do....


just spitballing......(It's not as if anything we say here will make any difference anyway)

Serpo
6th September 2015, 04:23 PM
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http://media.nj.com/union_impact/photo/fernandes3jpg-e06019967c91fd86.jpgElizabeth police identified a woman who died in a car Monday at Maria Fernandes, 32, of Newark.Elizabeth Police Department
ELIZABETH (http://nj.com/elizabeth) — Maria Fernandes worked four jobs, including shifts at two different Dunkin Donuts.
Often she drove from job to job, stopping along the road to catch a couple hours sleep, police said. She kept a container of gasoline in her 2001 Kia Sportage because occasionally she ran out of gas, authorities said.
Early Monday, the 32-year-old Newark woman pulled into a lot off Route 1 & 9 in Elizabeth for a nap. She apparently left the car running and was overcome by carbon monoxide mixed with fumes from the gas can that had overturned, police said. Fernandes was found dead in the car about eight hours later.
"This sounds like someone who tried desperately to work and make ends meet, and met with a tragic accident," Elizabeth police Lt. Daniel Saulnier said.
An autopsy today failed to determine the cause of death, and police are awaiting results of toxicology tests, Saulnier said. He said no foul play is suspected.
At 3:51 p.m., city EMTs responded a 911 call of a woman found in a vehicle (http://www.nj.com/union/index.ssf/2014/08/authorities_investigating_body_found_in_suv_in_eli zabeth_monday_afternoon.htm) in a corner of the WAWA convenience store on the northbound side of Routes 1 & 9. Emergency workers found all the windows and doors on the vehicle closed and when they got inside, they were hit with a chemical odor, authorities said.
After determining the woman in the vehicle, later identified as Fernandes, was dead, the emergency responders called in Union County's Hazmat workers.
City police and firefighters, and staff from the county medical examiner's office, waited four hours while Hazmat members monitored the levels of the odors until they determined it was safe for others to enter the Kia, authorities said.
New Jersey has tens of thousands of people working multiple jobs, said Carl Van Horn, director of the John J. Heldrich Center for Workforce Development at Rutgers University in New Brunswick.
"These are are folks who would like to work full-time but they can't find the jobs," Van Horn said. "They wind up in these circumstances in which they are exhausted. More commonly it creates just an enormous amount of stress," he said.
Many people have been forced to work two or three part time jobs after losing a full-time position in the recession of 2008.
The federal Bureau of Labor Statistics estimates that 7.5 million people nationwide are working more than one job, Van Horn said, and those jobs still leave people with less income than their full-time work.
"The average person who lost their job took a 10 percent pay cut (after returning to the workforce)," Van Horn said.
Elizabeth police reached Fernandes's sister in Portugal this afternoon, Saulnier. They were still seeking a brother, who is an over-the-road trucker and out-of-state, the lieutenant said.


http://www.nj.com/union/index.ssf/2014/08/deceased_woman_in_elizabeth_worked_four_jobs_nappe d_in_car_overcome_by_fumes_police_say.html

singular_me
7th September 2015, 03:04 PM
you do not see the flaw in such a reasoning.... life IS a zero sum game... its a Supreme Natural Law. Life and death even out. we can dance on our heads as much as we want, we'll never be able to bypass it. that is why the world has always manifested the same psychotic sickness... trying to cheat this supreme and alienable Cosmic Law... that is how the NWO gets us at every street corner, all ideologies (those that refute the above) will give same results, some slower than others.... fractional banking is the fastest highway to get there

instead find a way to resolve the economic headache when 70% will lose their jobs to robotics, then everybody else to AI, as even software programmers wont have a job anymore... free markets, good luck ???

thanks to darwinism that led us there, to this impasse. Now, billions could die. The money paradigm is collapsing, either we embrace uncharted territories or we are headed for the slaughterhouse.

Man is just not an animal.





Joseph nails capitalism, but his 'resource based economy' is ill conceived.

Outlaw Fractional Reserve Banking and Credit being used as if it were money.

To extend that; demonetize gold, make it a tier1 asset against which all currencies are valued and do away with the "global reserve currency system", which, like USG debt, is a retarded throwback to the 'gold standard' days.

Under these conditions a base income could be provided without it being inflated away.

A market economy would still be the best means for the creation, production and distribution of goods and services, the only change would be in motivation. People will do it because they want to, not because they have to.

Corporations don't innovate, they just exploit the ones who do....


just spitballing......(It's not as if anything we say here will make any difference anyway)

singular_me
7th September 2015, 05:57 PM
for profit economic system is self canninbalizing, only a beginning... the serpent eating its tail is an imagery summarizing the zero sum game of life.

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The ouroboros or uroboros (/jʊərɵˈbɒrəs/; /ɔːˈrɒbɔrəs/, from the Greek οὐροβόρος ὄφις tail-devouring snake) is an ancient symbol depicting a serpent or dragon eating its own tail.

The ouroboros often symbolizes self-reflexivity or cyclicality,[3] especially in the sense of something constantly re-creating itself, the eternal return, and other things such as the phoenix which operate in cycles that begin anew as soon as they end. It can also represent the idea of primordial unity related to something existing in or persisting from the beginning with such force or qualities it cannot be extinguished. While first emerging in Ancient Egypt and India,[4] the ouroboros has been important in religious and mythological symbolism, but has also been frequently used in alchemical illustrations, where it symbolizes the circular nature of the alchemist's opus. It is also often associated with Gnosticism, Hermeticism and Hinduism. (wiki)

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/71/Serpiente_alquimica.jpg

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iPads replace waiters & cashiers in a San-Fransisco restaurant
on 7th September 2015

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zgDTJFFxHvI

singular_me
11th September 2015, 05:40 PM
the robots are coming... result of endless speculation vs profits
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New York becomes first state in US to mandate $15 wage for fast food workers
Labor Commission, which approved the proposal on Thursday.

Once the wage increase kicks in, it could affect approximately 200,000 fast food workers in the state.’
http://www.rt.com/usa/314993-new-york-fast-food-wages/?utm_source=browser&utm_medium=aplication_chrome&utm_campaign=chrome

singular_me
23rd September 2015, 03:59 PM
it is death that makes wealth an illusion... and because we cannot accept that we pass that very illusion on to the next generations, meanwhile the illusion continues to grow exponentially... end road, brick wall is coming.

Cyborgs will do just fine in a money free world --- after they have eliminated useless eaters who didnt adapt. Moreover, what speculation if they can live hundreds of years?

I agree with Peter J. he is brilliant. The system has to just go before it is too late. The widespread mindset of chasing money is at the core of world afflictions and upheavals.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GSu2duxJMA0

Shami-Amourae
23rd September 2015, 04:01 PM
So transhumanism is cool now singular_me?

Getting red pilled?

http://s14.postimg.org/6tum3qm75/1433723116506.jpg

singular_me
23rd September 2015, 04:47 PM
nope I dont think its cool because the people behind it are just plain evil

but I take your salute for a handshake.

I am not against knowledge but the means to achieve whatever ideology... we cannot stop progress, unless we impose upon us a pre-industrustial lifestyle overnight and it wont happen.

I disagree with anything that is achieved by (mass) murder, pillage, brainwashing, etc

wealth has always been an illusion, transhumanism or not. And if we had come to term with it centuries ago, knowledge and technology would serve mankind instead of killing us steadily and surely

my quote is my moto. without an equal balance between receiving and giving, the cult of death rules.


So transhumanism is cool now singular_me?

Getting red pilled?

http://s14.postimg.org/6tum3qm75/1433723116506.jpg

Santa
23rd September 2015, 06:58 PM
my quote is my moto.

And a fine quote it is, Singular. Thanks for sharing.


"Man' s power lies in giving. He must learn to give as Nature gives. Each half of a cycle eternally gives to the other half for re-giving... Man must know the principle of Creation: giving between each interchanging opposite half of each cycle for the purpose of repeating its giving. Each individual must manifest this law. Man will forever war with man until he learns to give his all with the full expectation of equal receiving" -- Walter Russell

Santa
23rd September 2015, 07:22 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IivZhOcnpmI

govcheetos
23rd September 2015, 07:33 PM
One of the better threads around here lately whether you agree or disagree.

I feel for the lady who died in her car.