Taking bets on how long girl lives before cuddly pitbull kills her.

[ximmy]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4xZuSb-W5SI

FULTON COUNTY, GA (CBS46) - A 2-year-old boy has died after being attacked by his family's pit bull.


Read more: http://www.cbs46.com/story/22066382/toddler-dies-after-pit-bull-attack#ixzz3kAHkyyL0

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A 2-month-old boy was killed Sunday afternoon and his mother was injured when the family's pit bull attacked the child inside their Dallas home
http://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/2-Month-Old-boy-dead-after-pit-bull-attack-in-Dallas-300612991.html

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A father said Monday he was devastated when a family dog attacked and killed his 2-year-old girl in West Mifflin.
“My baby is gone,” the child's father, Cory DeVaughn, told the Tribune-Review by phone.
Police said the toddler, identified by the medical examiner's office as TayLynn DeVaughn of Forest Hills, was attacked by a family pet described as a pit bull mix.


Read more: http://triblive.com/news/allegheny/7833559-74/county-dog-forest#ixzz3kAIH4vNs

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Katherine Rodgers told investigators that the family's 5-year-old pit bull mix, Kratos, attacked her 18-month-old son, Kenneth, in their home after he wandered away from her into another room.
Read more at http://www.wral.com/fayetteville-pit-bull-euthanized-after-attack-on-toddler/14858560/#RJS9vd2uYeRy9q4M.99

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A toddler had his ear ripped off and was severely injured by his family’s pit bull in an attack in Jurupa Valley Wednesday, authorities said.
http://ktla.com/2014/11/05/toddlers-ear-ripped-off-in-attack-by-family-pit-bull-in-jurupa-valley-authorities/

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Family Pit Bulls Maul Toddler To Death - NBC News.com (https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=16&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CDMQFjAFOApqFQoTCIClpIOZzccCFc9BiAodOHQDpw&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nbcnews.com%2Fwatch%2Fnbc-news-channel%2Ffamily-pit-bulls-maul-toddler-to-death-386596419811&ei=OhLhVYCgLs-DoQS46I24Cg&usg=AFQjCNGVxld280e0135dpyfuLk6DyVeLoQ)


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[midnight rambler]

I'm not a fan of pit bull dogs however the biggest part of the problem of dogs that potentially have high aggression in their DNA attacking people is stupid owners who fail to appropriately train and manage, and love, whatever dog they have. I've had to euthanize a couple of dogs that were returned to me due to extreme, out of control aggression over the years, and the main reason they were a problem is due to dumb ass owners - and they were very good/excellent puppies when I placed them. Their littermates turned out just fine, never a problem, in fact GoD has one of the littermates to one of the euthanized dogs.

[Dogman]

Every dog vs human attack here is a pit or mix, that go back as far as I can remember.

I do not like and would never trust one at all, there are people that it is the upbringing that makes the difference and are good dogs if brought up right.

Bullshit !

Some may turn out to be good dogs but compared to other breeds imo not worth the risk. Every year here there are dog attacks reported several times a year and all have been pits or pit hybrids.

Good for only being great junkyard dogs and not much else, when it comes to trusting with kids or anyone other than the alpha owner.

[midnight rambler]

Every dog vs human attack here is a pit or mix, that go back as far as I can remember.

I do not like and would never trust one at all, there are people that it is the upbringing that makes the difference and are good dogs if brought up right.

Bullshit !

Some may turn out to be good dogs but compared to other breeds imo not worth the risk. Every year here there are dog attacks reported several times a year and all have been pits or pit hybrids.

Good for only being great junkyard dogs and not much else, when it comes to trusting with kids or anyone other than the alpha owner.

I've got roughly 40 years experience working with one specific breed of dog, the last 20 years training and working with one specific bloodline of specialized working dogs with extremely high drives. Not only are they potentially high aggression they're also very dominate. The notion of 'alpha owner' is utter nonsense. A good relationship with a high drive dog is based upon mutual trust and respect. I've largely moved out of using compulsion (force) in training and continue to seek more ways to train without the use of compulsion. I will likely always use some moderate form of compulsion, however there are limits to the usefulness of compulsion. Use excessive compulsion on 'hard' dogs like I have and they will come up the leash and eat you. The male I currently have (littermate to GoD's dog) is extremely dominate however because I've cultivated mutual trust and respect he's a big baby. I know where his redline is and I never push him toward his redline.

How many years experience do you have working and training dogs (merely having a dog doesn't = training and working with)?

[ximmy]

I've got roughly 40 years experience working with one specific breed of dog, the last 20 years training and working with one specific bloodline of specialized working dogs with extremely high drives. Not only are they potentially high aggression they're also very dominate. The notion of 'alpha owner' is utter nonsense. A good relationship with a high drive dog is based upon mutual trust and respect. I've largely moved out of using compulsion (force) in training and continue to seek more ways to train without the use of compulsion. I will likely always use some moderate form of compulsion, however there are limits to the usefulness of compulsion. Use excessive compulsion on 'hard' dogs like I have and they will come up the leash and eat you. The male I currently have (littermate to GoD's dog) is extremely dominate however because I've cultivated mutual trust and respect he's a big baby, however I know where his redline is and I never push him toward his redline.

How many years experience do you have working and training dogs (merely having a dog doesn't = training and working with)?

I'm sorry but I don't understand what you are saying... Are you implying pit bulls are fine with children if they are trained? I hope that is NOT what you are suggesting. Please clarify.

[Dogman]

What ever comrade,

My post was based on the attacks that occur in my area it seems several times every year. And so far all of the attacks have a pit bulldog involved that make the news big time due to the degree of injury and or a death (usually a kid).

Also I was referring to dogs that are family pets, not defense dogs that are trained to be 4 footed attack missiles that cops and others use and you seem to train.

[midnight rambler]

I'm sorry but I don't understand what you are saying... Are you implying pit bulls are fine with children if they are trained? I hope that is NOT what you are suggesting. Please clarify.

To clarify: Pit bulls CAN be potentially aggressive. Pit bulls can be counted on to be high drive, e.g. a high prey drive (this can make them easy to train in the right hands, in the wrong hands the dog will get into trouble). There are many breeds that can be either potentially aggressive OR the sort of dog that is flat and NEVER shows any aggression whatsoever. A good example of that is the Malinois breed. Many cops use Malinois as K-9s because they are often breed to be extremely 'hard' dogs (willing to join the fight and stay in the fight, i.e. have a very high fight drive along with high aggression - one has to be VERY judicious in the use of compulsion in training a hard dog). On the other hand I knew a woman who had Malinois dogs as her pets around her young childred and they were flat/low drive with zero aggression to be observed, they might as well have been Border Collies for as friendly and docile as they were.

The BIGGEST problem is stupid owners, AND stupid 'breeders' who really have NO idea as to the temperament/nature of the dogs they're *selling* ("Hey, it's a quick and easy way to make money! Face it, people love Pit Bulls! I might as well profit off of my pets, what's so wrong about that??").

So no, definitely not ALL Pit Bulls are suitable to be around children, but many are.

[ximmy]

Dog Attack Deaths and Maimings, U.S. & Canada, September 1982 to December 31, 2014

By compiling U.S. and Canadian press accounts between 1982 and 2014, Merritt Clifton, editor of Animals 24-7 (http://www.animals24-7.org/), shows the dog breeds most responsible for disfiguring injuries and deaths.1
Download Study (http://www.dogsbite.org/pdf/dog-attack-deaths-maimings-merritt-clifton-2014.pdf) View 32-Year Summary of Pit Bull Trends (http://www.dogsbite.org/pdf/32-year-summary-chart-pit-bull-attack-trends.pdf)

Study highlights

The combination of molosser breeds, including pit bulls, rottweilers, presa canarios, cane corsos, mastiffs, dogo argentinos, fila brasieros, sharpeis, boxers, and their mixes, inflict:


86% of attacks that induce bodily harm
81% of attacks to children
89% of attack to adults
76% of attacks that result in fatalities
86% that result in maiming
Embody 9.2%+ of the total dog population

Discussion notes:



Even if the pit bull category was "split four ways," attacks by pit bulls and their closest relatives would still outnumber attacks by any other dog breed.
Pit bulls are noteworthy for attacking adults almost as frequently as children. This is a very rare pattern, only seen elsewhere in the bullmastiff/presa canario line.
If a pit bull or rottweiler has a bad moment, instead of a person being bitten, often a person is maimed for life or killed. This has created off-the-chart actuarial risk.

http://www.dogsbite.org/dog-bite-statistics-study-dog-attacks-and-maimings-merritt-clifton.php

Even this totally pro pitbull site says:

Other things can also contribute to a pit bull, or any other breed of dog, becoming aggressive or hurting a person.



Chaining a dog outside.
Not having your dog spayed or neutered.
Leaving children alone with a dog.
Not teaching your dog basic manners.
Hitting or mistreating your dog.
Teasing or allowing your dog to be teased by others.




http://www.pbrc.net/poppysplace/Education/aggression.html

[midnight rambler]

My post was based on the attacks that occur in my area

Stupid is as stupid does. --Forrest Gump


defense dogs that are trained to be 4 footed attack missiles that cops and others use and you seem to train.

Actually I own and train service dogs with a dual purpose and I strive to bring out their natural tendencies. My dogs love people and are typically very outgoing.

[mick silver]

do the Malinois breed have some german Shepherd in them

[midnight rambler]

FYI, another name for the Pit Bull breed is Staffordshire Terrier, although those who breed Staffordshire Terriers would NEVER, EVER call their dogs 'Pit Bulls'.

Another FYI, a breeder in Europe I work with has an incredible track record over the past 40 years as a breeder and trainer. This fellow is very unusual in the dog world, he is highly regarded everywhere and NO ONE has anything negative to say about him. He only works with one breed, however there was this one exception. Someone once gave him a Staffordshire Terrier. He has related that was the most obedient and most easily trained dog he ever had, he has said he never had to use a leash on her in training her. He competed with this dog and won several obedience trials with her. He has said she was one of the best dogs he's ever had, and the guy is a legend in the working dog field.

[midnight rambler]

do the Malinois breed have some german Shepherd in them

No.

[Dogman]

Stupid is as stupid does. --Forrest Gump



Actually I own and train service dogs with a dual purpose and I strive to bring out their natural tendencies. My dogs love people and are typically very outgoing.


What ever again.

I do not give a flying crap how many years you have trained dogs, I have heard the same crap from others that train service/attack dogs.

All my posts here were about pits, tho as ximmy noted there are other related breeds that can cause problems but pits are on the top of mine and others list of dogs not to have or trust with small children around.

I have dealt with people with your viewpoint most of my life here, tho most were into breeding fighting dogs, and guess what breed..Pits.

It was not long ago year wise that fighting dogs was legal here just over the state line and many here breed and fought them along with cock fighting but that is another story.

[midnight rambler]

What ever again.

I do not give a flying crap how many years you have trained dogs, I have heard the same crap from others that train service/attack dogs.

All my posts here were about pits, tho as ximmy noted there are other related breeds that can cause problems but pits are on the top of mine and others list of dogs not to have or trust with small children around.

I have dealt with people with your viewpoint most of my life here, tho most were into breeding fighting dogs, and guess what breed..Pits.

It was not long ago year wise that fighting dogs was legal here just over the state line along with cock fighting but that is another story.

Kindly show me some examples of these so-called 'attack dogs'. I'm unfamiliar with the concept, and I'm always interested in learning anything new about dogs.

TIA

[Dogman]

You know better and are just fishing now komrad...

Not playing your baiting game.. So I guess you can just play with yourself ...! ;)

Have a good night !


Kindly show me some examples of these so-called 'attack dogs'. I'm unfamiliar with the concept, and I'm always interested in learning anything new about dogs.

TIA

Ta Ta !

[Tumbleweed]

I shot a couple of dogs I believe were pitbull crosses. They were up to no good and a game warden and a couple of Deputy sheriffs had to intervene to keep the situation from escalating with their owner. There may be legitimate reasons for owning those kinds of dogs but most people have no business having them around.

[midnight rambler]

I shot a couple of dogs I believe were pitbull crosses. They were up to no good and a game warden and a couple of Deputy sheriffs had to intervene to keep the situation from escalating with their owner. There may be legitimate reasons for owning those kinds of dogs but most people have no business having them around.

Any dog not yours on your land harassing your livestock is a varmint therefore handle it accordingly.

[govcheetos]

The original video displays parents putting way too much trust in any breed unsupervised and even more so in the little girl.