Does Lake Powell really look like this?

[EE_]

http://widerimage.reuters.com/story/earthprints-lake-powell

[Horn]

Its relative

[Shami-Amourae]

Las Vegas is screwed.

[Dogman]

Las Vegas is screwed.

On this I do agree!

Sent from my Nexus 7

[Horn]

they've just received 10 year floods in Utah, give up on the whole western drought AGW byline.

[JohnQPublic]

they've just received 10 year floods in Utah, give up on the whole western drought AGW byline.

Maybe that was the federal gov. pissing on the west?

[Horn]

Maybe that was the federal gov. pissing on the west?

The AGW are organizing for an all out religious war. Watch out!

Everything will be nailed down in the west and only production allowed in BRIC nations.

Why? Cause they're incontrovertible.

[Horn]

http://appinsys.com/globalwarming/EcoReligion.htm

[Hitch]

The talk is of a very wet winter here in the West because of el nino. We're due, for sure. Haven't seen any real good exciting storms in a few years at least.

[Horn]

The talk is of a very wet winter here in the West because of el nino. We're due, for sure. Haven't seen any real good exciting storms in a few years at least.

This just in from HORN Weather Central...

A mixed bag of weather not unlike what you've been experiencing is due to continue.

Sort of like Goldilocks and her porridge, but moister.

[Hitch]

This just in from HORN Weather Central...

I'm thinking the HORN weather channel is on acid. It's not uncommon for weather folks to become unglued. You weather folks are a unique breed, I respect you. But hang on to your hats and batten down the hatches.

We are DUE. I feel it, call it salty bones if you will. We have a winter coming. Major storms. Seas your weather channel can't comprehend.

Hitchweather.....checking out for now.

[Horn]

Just like I said, more salt on his bone for Hitch...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2DITBE78JpE

[EE_]

SEPTEMBER 17, 2015
When It Rains
BY DANA GOODYEAR

http://www.newyorker.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/Goodyear-When-It-Rains-1200.jpg

In the Central Valley community of East Porterville, seven thousand people are living without water in their homes. Paleoclimatologists are reporting that the Sierra Nevada snowpack is at a five-hundred-year low, a far scarier data point than was available back in April, when Governor Jerry Brown announced statewide mandatory water-use cut backs of twenty-five per cent. Five hundred and forty-five thousand acres of California have burned so far this year, in a relentless fire season that still has months to go. Desperate measures rule the day: the imam at a mosque in Chino recently gathered together a large, interfaith crowd to pray for rain. So on Tuesday, when Southern Californians woke up to the sound of a downpour before dawn—Alhambra received nearly two and a half inches in the storm, and, in Los Angeles, my drought-tracking five-year-old son kept waking up, afraid he’d left the bathroom sink running—it felt like a benediction, or at least a reprieve.

But rain in a dry land can be more curse than cure. This week’s mudslides and swollen rivers were only the first signs of the new lashing the state will take if and when the much-anticipated “Godzilla” El Niño comes. The National Oceanic and Atmospheric Association estimated the costs to the United States of the last very big El Niño, in the late fall and early winter of 1997-98, at twenty-five billion dollars. California’s losses were $1.1 billion, and seventeen people died. Jerry Brown—brave man—openly connects the California drought to global warming; mega-storms are another established feature of climate change.

Clearly, the water system needs an overhaul, as does our way of thinking about the weather. Not long ago, I heard a public official give the rain a dollar value—a five-day drenching some years back, he said, had been “a forty-million-dollar storm.” He didn’t mean the financial toll of the damage—the old way of calculating—but the value of the water that dropped down from the sky and was wasted. Hardpan earth and fire-stripped forests can’t hold the rainwater; in a paved paradise like Los Angeles, most of the water (along with the surface contaminants) flows directly to the sea. According to the L.A. Times, “Between 80% and 90% of the rain that falls in the urban Southland winds up in a vast storm drain system that eventually dumps it into the ocean.” Only eleven per cent of L.A.’s water is local, the rest is expensively imported from far-off regions like Imperial County, which I wrote about in the magazine in May.

In Los Angeles, storm-water collection yields an average of twenty-seven thousand acre-feet of water a year, which is enough to supply about fifty thousand households. New plans approved in May by the State Water Resources Control Board could increase that by up to two hundred thousand acre-feet a year, with additional spreading grounds, underground storage, and wetland parks, as well as “green streets” designed to absorb water and filter it through soil, rather than conducting it on cement. It’s an ambitious plan to replenish depleted aquifers and maximize the rain that seems to come only in torrents, and it could influence how rainwater is collected and deployed around the state. But it’s also twenty years and potentially hundreds of millions of dollars away from full implementation.

Thirty-one inches of rain fell in downtown Los Angeles in the 1997-98 El Niño. This one is supposed to be bigger. Bill Patzert, a climatologist at NASA, is predicting “floods, mudslides and mayhem.” I’m hoping that this spring, when the power comes back on, economists will start to tally the costs of the storm with a new, highly motivating line item: money down the drain.
http://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/when-it-rains

[Horn]

Integrity Is The Lowest In 500 Years (https://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2015/09/14/science-integrity-is-the-lowest-in-500-years/)
California droughts are caused by periods of dominantly cold water in the Pacific. This year the water is very warm, and they will likely get huge snowfalls. They cherry-picked the last El Nino year (2010) for their comparison

https://i2.wp.com/realclimatescience.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/ScreenHunter_3061-Sep.-14-16.42.gif

The authors also chose a time period of 500 years, because they didn’t want to discuss the much worse droughts more than 500 years ago.

https://i2.wp.com/realclimatescience.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/ScreenHunter_3059-Sep.-14-15.55.gif

https://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2015/09/14/science-integrity-is-the-lowest-in-500-years/

[Horn]

Looks pirdy green to me.

[Horn]

A year ago, in 2014, the People’s Climate March (http://peoplesclimate.org/) in New York was timed to precede the United Nations (U.N.) Climate Change Summit (http://www.un.org/climatechange/summit/). The 2014 meetings were framed to bring focus (http://www.wunderground.com/blog/RickyRood/comment.html?entrynum=312) on 2015 and the 21st Conference of the Parties in Paris (http://www.diplomatie.gouv.fr/en/french-foreign-policy-1/sustainable-development-1097/21st-conference-of-the-parties-on/) (COP21).

The Conference of the Parties (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Framework_Convention_on_Climate_Cha nge#Conferences_of_the_Parties) (COP) is the annual meeting that is part of the governing body of the United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change (http://unfccc.int/2860.php). The United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change (http://unfccc.int/key_documents/the_convention/items/2853.php) (UNFCCC) is an international agreement that commits its signers, and that is most of the world – commits its signers to the, “stabilization of greenhouse gas concentrations in the atmosphere at a level that would prevent dangerous anthropogenic interference with the climate system …” The limit of greenhouse gas concentrations should allow ecosystems to adapt naturally, ensure that food production is not threated andenable sustainable economic development. In No Way to Slow Down (http://www.wunderground.com/blog/RickyRood/comment.html?entrynum=316), I discuss the fact that the written goals of the UNFCCC have perhaps withered away. However, to maintain our ability to adapt – to limit dangerous anthropogenic interference – we must manage our human waste products more intelligently, including those from energy production – that is, carbon dioxide.

Paris is all about carbon dioxide. In 2009 there was naïve hope that the Conference of the Parties in Copenhagen (http://www.denmark.dk/en/menu/Climate-Energy/COP15-Copenhagen-2009/cop15.htm)would lead to effective policies to reduce the emissions of carbon dioxide. That did not happen and while there was spin that the meeting was a success, most people that I know were not enthusiastic about the outcome, e.g., The Copenhagen Accord (http://www.denmark.dk/en/menu/Climate-Energy/COP15-Copenhagen-2009/Selected-COP15-news/A+Copenhagen-Accord-it-is.htm). My take of the outcome was that there was symbolic political recognition that global warming needed to be addressed, but no substantive steps were taken to reduce the emissions of greenhouse gases. As climate-change policy efforts clawed their way back, the focus was turned on the 2015Conference of the Parties in Paris (http://www.diplomatie.gouv.fr/en/french-foreign-policy-1/sustainable-development-1097/21st-conference-of-the-parties-on/) as a major milestone. The expectations in Paris are high – from their website, “The meeting will mark a decisive stage in negotiations on the future international agreement on a post-2020 regime, and will, as agreed in Durban (http://unfccc.int/meetings/durban_nov_2011/meeting/6245.php), adopt the major outlines of that regime. By the end of the meeting, for the first time in over 20 years of UN negotiations, all the nations of the world, including the biggest emitters of greenhouse gases, will be bound by a universal agreement on climate.”

http://climateknowledge.org/figures/WuGblog_figures/RBRWuG0145_Ton_of_Carbon_Dioxide.JPG

http://www.wunderground.com/blog/RickyRood/comment.html?entrynum=345#comment_6

Nice petrol based balloon there with anchors carved out of the side of the sierra mountains, I guess?

[mick silver]

http://farm1.staticflickr.com/92/241898474_8e7d6a9ab0_z.jpg

[Dogman]

Looks like the great salt lake in Utah.

Northern end.

Sent from my Nexus 7

[Hitch]

Looks life the great salt lake in Utah.

Northern end.

Sent from my Nexus 7

I thought the same thing, but the west end on highway 80, just after leaving the salt flats on the Nevada side.

[Horn]

I thought the same thing, but the west end on highway 80, just after leaving the salt flats on the Nevada side.

Flash lake?

[Dogman]

Flash lake? If that road is the great salt lake road the Bonneville salt flats are nearby to the southwest. I have been to them watching speed runs back in the day, Sunglasses are required to protect your eyes both from the sun glare and blowing salt. (Think snow blindness with out the snow )

[Horn]

Like any other desert passage thru Nevada. I've gone the 15 route between probably 30 times. Places there where sky meets earth and you can't tell where one ends and the other begins, the horizon a mirage of pastels.

I couldn't live there anymore, felt like I needed a space suit wherever I went.

Horn likes going commando.