Stock markets

[mick silver]

is this good for gold an silver .......Markets
Updated: 4:39:19pm ET


Dow -0.48%
16,201.32 / -78.57 (http://money.cnn.com/data/markets/dow)
Nasdaq -0.38%
4,734.48 / -18.26 (http://money.cnn.com/data/markets/nasdaq)
S&P -0.34%
1,932.24 / -6.52 (http://money.cnn.com/data/markets/sandp)

[mick silver]

nope ...........

Gold
Dec. 2015 contract
$ / troy ounce
1,151.80

-2.00
-0.17%
1,072
Today|||
1,308


4:09pm ET


Silver
Dec. 2015 contract
$ / troy ounce
15.12

-0.015
-0.10%
13.91
Today|||
18.51


4:08pm ET


Platinum
Oct. 2015 contract
$ / troy ounce
955.00

-0.80
-0.08%
925.80
Today|||
1,342


4:09pm ET


Copper
Dec. 2015 contract
$ / pound
2.30

-0.0005
-0.02%
2.21
Today|||
3.11


4:04pm ET

[Ponce]

The way that they manipulated the market it could be down 80% and silver would still be only $15.00.

V

[govcheetos]

:)
The way that they manipulated the market it could be down 80% and silver would still be only $15.00.

V

Nope, $14.26

[gunDriller]

is this good for gold an silver .......Markets
Updated: 4:39:19pm ET

It is if you have Apple stock or Google stock to sell - to buy Gold and Silver.

[mick silver]

Hyundai recalls 470,000 Sonatas to replace engines https://www.yahoo.com/tech/s/hyundai-recalls-470-000-sonatas-fix-big-engine-114318858--finance.html

[Cebu_4_2]

Hyundai recalls 470,000 Sonatas to replace engines https://www.yahoo.com/tech/s/hyundai-recalls-470-000-sonatas-fix-big-engine-114318858--finance.html

Hyundai is recalling nearly a half-million midsize cars in the U.S. to replace key engine parts because a manufacturing problem could cause them to fail.The recall covers 470,000 Sonata sedans from the 2011 and 2012 model years equipped with 2-liter or 2.4-liter gasoline engines.


The company says metal debris may not have been removed from the crankshaft. That can restrict oil flow to the connecting rod bearings, causing them to fail. If that happens, the engines could stall and cause a crash.


Dealers will inspect the cars and replace engine assemblies if necessary for free. The company also will increase the engine warranty for 10 years or 120,000 miles.


Owners will be notified Nov. 2 and the recall will start when parts are available.

[mick silver]

I have to wonder what this will do to the markets Monday with bad news from Hyundai

[monty]

That Hyundai recall will probably be something like "Bring your car in, we'll inspect the rod bearings." If there is no indication of metal filings they put the pan back on and refill with oil. In the rare case they do find damage they will replace an engine. It is going to be costly, yes, but it will never be close to a half million engines. Another case of half truths in the reporting.

[mick silver]

truck just drop this off this morning to me http://i.imgur.com/zxfYjxa.jpg

[Spectrism]

truck just drop this off this morning to me http://i.imgur.com/zxfYjxa.jpg


Oh- I didn't know you were into collecting gold-painted tungsten. Are you going to sell them as paper weights and door stops?

[mick silver]

both , only 20bucks and if you buy 10 you will save yourself 5 bucks . get them before there gone

[mick silver]

Markets
Updated: Sep 29


Dow +0.30%
16,049.13 / +47.24 (http://money.cnn.com/data/markets/dow)
Nasdaq -0.59%
4,517.32 / -26.65 (http://money.cnn.com/data/markets/nasdaq)
S&P +0.12%
1,884.09 / +2.32 (http://money.cnn.com/data/markets/sandp)

[mick silver]

Markets
Updated: 5:16pm ET


Dow +1.47%
16,284.70 / +235.57 (http://money.cnn.com/data/markets/dow)
Nasdaq +2.28%
4,620.17 / +102.85 (http://money.cnn.com/data/markets/nasdaq)
S&P +1.91%
1,920.03 / +35.94 (http://money.cnn.com/data/markets/sandp)

[mick silver]

“I don't own a single stock or bond... I have no savings accounts...”
Vice President Biden,
Summit for Working Families, 2014

[mick silver]

Markets
Updated: 12:13:24pm ET


Dow -1.23%
16,083.67 / -201.03 (http://money.cnn.com/data/markets/dow)
Nasdaq -1.19%
4,565.06 / -55.11 (http://money.cnn.com/data/markets/nasdaq)
S&P -0.90%
1,902.83 / -17.20 (http://money.cnn.com/data/markets/sandp)

[mick silver]

dam gold an sliver had a good up day . plus the stock market move up ... Markets
Updated: Oct 2



Dow +1.23%
16,472.37 / +200.36 (http://money.cnn.com/data/markets/dow)
Nasdaq +1.74%
4,707.78 / +80.69 (http://money.cnn.com/data/markets/nasdaq)
S&P +1.43%
1,951.36 / +27.54 (http://money.cnn.com/data/markets/sandp) http://www.kitconet.com/images/sp_en_6.gif

[Spectrism]

This happened with a drop in the dollar. It seems that news and fundamental conditions for markets have nothing to do with prices. Prices are all a function of criminal manipulation by the "authorities" and financial gaming.

[mick silver]

International Monetary Fund downgrades world growth forecast
http://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2015/10/06/432266/International-Monetary-Fund-IMF-world-growth-forecast-World-Economic-Outlook

[mick silver]

http://www.kitconet.com/images/sp_en_6.gif
lets see if i can drive the price back down

[mick silver]

U.S. StocksSee After-Hours Trading (http://money.cnn.com/data/afterhours) Data as of 5:16pm ET
Thursday’s Close:


Dow (http://money.cnn.com/data/markets/dow) +138.46

17,050.75
+0.82%
Nasdaq (http://money.cnn.com/data/markets/nasdaq) +19.64

4,810.79
+0.41%
S&P (http://money.cnn.com/data/markets/sandp) +17.6

2,013.43
+0.88%

[singular_me]

two or three times a week, I get "buy more-save more" promotional emails from websites I bought from. How long can this last?

a profit based economy inducing a continual spending mode will eventually crash down and burn, fiat money or not, as it always seeks to keep down investment costs to the maximum.

[Spectrism]

two or three times a week, I get "buy more-save more" promotional emails from websites I bought from. How long can this last?

a profit based economy inducing a continual spending mode will eventually crash down and burn, fiat money or not, as it always seeks to keep down investment costs to the maximum.

What is a "profit based economy"? What is the alternative?

[singular_me]

What is a "profit based economy"? What is the alternative?
without induced consumerism... just the opposite.... people can order from home and have a good scope of what is possible, 3Dprinting is already showing potential.

induced consumerism/production = waste, obsolescence, fallacious commercials, etc... and destruction of the environment.

[Spectrism]

without induced consumerism... just the opposite.... people can order from home and have a good scope of what is possible, 3Dprinting is already showing potential.

induced consumerism/production = waste, obsolescence, fallacious commercials, etc... and destruction of the environment.

I am not the sharpest knife in the drawer but I can get through some fairly weighty verbiage. This, however, is totally beyond my understanding. Can someone translate for me?

[singular_me]

I am not the sharpest knife in the drawer but I can get through some fairly weighty verbiage. This, however, is totally beyond my understanding. Can someone translate for me?

description of a profit based economy:
induced consumerism/production = waste, obsolescence, fallacious commercials, etc... and destruction of the environment.

did you find 'the end of capitalism' thread yet?

if/when a system is absolutely truthful - completely transparent - there arent any profits to make because consumption and production even/zero out... monetary speculation makes is possible to cheat the zero sum game for a while.

[Spectrism]

description of a profit based economy:
induced consumerism/production = waste, obsolescence, fallacious commercials, etc... and destruction of the environment.

did you find 'the end of capitalism' thread yet?

if/when a system is absolutely truthful - completely transparent - there arent any profits to make because consumption and production even/zero out... monetary speculation makes is possible to cheat the zero sum game for a while.

So you are a communist with no aspirations of improving society and free to espouse your meaningless drivel in a land where anti-communist principles afforded you such freedoms. Try taking your bullshit to another country. You clearly have a short circuit in your brain.

[Horn]

At some point in U.S. history it must've been discussed whether or not to allow such consumer commoditity items onto the stock market to speculate upon. As it ain't all that smart or wise for a society to do so. Only items that take a large amount of upfront investment to produce really need be there. Financials are another that aren't to wise to be speculated over, as we can all see.

That's about as far as a free market should go, what is wise to place in speculation. Its not communism just wisdom.

[Spectrism]

At some point in U.S. history it must've been discussed whether or not to allow such consumer commoditity items onto the stock market to speculate upon. As it ain't all that smart or wise for a society to do so. Only items that take a large amount of upfront investment to produce really need be there. Financials are another that aren't to wise to be speculated over, as we can all see.

That's about as far as a free market should go, what is wise to place in speculation. Its not communism just wisdom.


And a free market quickly identifies what is a wise investment and what is not. Morons thinking socialism works have tainted the free market and robbed the people through taxes and oppressive policy. There is no longer a free market, but an artificial reality portrayed by the devils for those who like to believe lies.

[singular_me]

So you are a communist with no aspirations of improving society and free to espouse your meaningless drivel in a land where anti-communist principles afforded you such freedoms. Try taking your bullshit to another country. You clearly have a short circuit in your brain.

before calling me a communist.. look ahead, try to fathom the BIG picture, and tell me how to resolve the economic puzzle when there is NO jobs due to robotics and mega computers. in your perception of reality, knowledge is the nemesis. More knowledge doesnt lead to more materialism but more spiritual and selfless driven endeavors. Thats how the cosmic laws work.

the absolute quest for materialism/monetary profits will send back to the real meaning of Life.

or we can go back to a pre-industrialization and prevent knowledge from expanding. how realistic is this?

seems like you didnt find the 'end of capitalism" thread yet. or are unwilling to do so. here it is:
http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?84851-The-End-of-Capitalism&highlight=capitalism

why do you think jesus said; leave everything behind and follow me... because materialism is but an illusion. You cannot disprove this, I am afraid. Or maybe can you prove that one can take one's possessions with one when one dies , in heaven or hell ???

because we have been passing this illusion on from a generation to the next since ever, billions of humans could die as a result. Me a communist... LOL.

end game... blue or red pill... the choice is ours.

it is everybody's choice to ponder....

https://images.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=http%3A%2F%2Ftse1.mm.bing.net%2Fth%3Fid%3DOIP.M ad19ea08898b64b20b55de000c10494fo2%26pid%3D15.1&f=1

[EE_]

before calling me a communist.. look ahead, try to fathom the BIG picture, and tell me how to resolve the economic puzzle when there is NO jobs due to robotics and mega computers. in your perception of reality, knowledge is the nemesis. More knowledge doesnt lead to more materialism but more spiritual and selfless driven endeavors. Thats how the cosmic laws work.

the absolute quest for materialism/monetary profits will send back to the real meaning of Life.

or we can go back to a pre-industrialization and prevent knowledge from expanding. how realistic is this?

seems like you didnt find the 'end of capitalism" thread yet. or are unwilling to do so. here it is:
http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?84851-The-End-of-Capitalism&highlight=capitalism

why do you think jesus said; leave everything behind and follow me... because materialism is but an illusion. You cannot disprove this, I am afraid. Or maybe can you prove that one can take one's possessions with one when one dies , in heaven or hell ???

because we have been passing this illusion on from a generation to the next since ever, billions of humans could die as a result. Me a communist... LOL.

end game... blue or red pill... the choice is ours.

I have to add that you are assuming society will continue as it is going, to realize this future.
I subscribe to the belief that we will witness a great collapse/die-off before this scenario all plays out.
All throughout time, societies/civilizations have disappeared...what makes this one so special? If anything, I think we are more susceptible to not surviving a collapse, because of technology.
The odds of you and I witnessing this collapse in our lifetime, grows each day.

Then the next question to ask:
If you believe in God, why is it so dire that we must survive when we are looking at eternity?
If you don't believe in God...what's the point in surviving?

[singular_me]

id agree with that if we could ever get rid of the profit mindset condoning that the sky is the limit which is the root cause of collusion, consolidation of special interests making sure to hide data to stay on top, and which also questions the monetization of knowledge which why idiocracy now rules.

thats peter joseph's main argument against our 4000y old system. if it has not changed, then maybe it is due to a faulty mind pattern and a new paradigm is needed. Max Igan also go along those lines. I agree with them.

But it is very challenging in the sense that it forces us to look at Life/death differently. Especially when we are raised to regard materialism as a way to secure the future. Such views cannot be enforced. they have to come from an individual realization of the cosmic zero sum game.




And a free market quickly identifies what is a wise investment and what is not. Morons thinking socialism works have tainted the free market and robbed the people through taxes and oppressive policy. There is no longer a free market, but an artificial reality portrayed by the devils for those who like to believe lies.

[singular_me]

EE, I do believe in God... in the Love vs fear choice. That is why Jesus' main intent is/was to spread a message of Love... of course the death cult doesnt see it way since it has ruled over our very fears since about millennia

the curse of Knowledge, if we can call it as such, is to that it also exponentially improves the art of killing... only Love can stop this. And God - or the Cosmic mind - gave us the free will to choose. He/It will not intervene. Any bloody revolution not associated with a change in perception will lead to nothing.

it doesnt matter to believe as to whether jesus really existed or not... if we can make sense of the stakes.

clock ticking dangerously


I have to add that you are assuming society will continue as it is going, to realize this future.
I subscribe to the belief that we will witness a great collapse/die-off before this scenario all plays out.
All throughout time, societies/civilizations have disappeared...what makes this one so special? If anything, I think we are more susceptible to not surviving a collapse, because of technology.
The odds of you and I witnessing this collapse in our lifetime, grows each day.

Then the next question to ask:
If you believe in God, why is it so dire that we must survive when we are looking at eternity?
If you don't believe in God...what's the point in surviving?

[Spectrism]

before calling me a communist.. look ahead, try to fathom the BIG picture, and tell me how to resolve the economic puzzle when there is NO jobs due to robotics and mega computers. in your perception of reality, knowledge is the nemesis. More knowledge doesnt lead to more materialism but more spiritual and selfless driven endeavors. Thats how the cosmic laws work.

the absolute quest for materialism/monetary profits will send back to the real meaning of Life.

or we can go back to a pre-industrialization and prevent knowledge from expanding. how realistic is this?

seems like you didnt find the 'end of capitalism" thread yet. or are unwilling to do so. here it is:
http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?84851-The-End-of-Capitalism&highlight=capitalism

why do you think jesus said; leave everything behind and follow me... because materialism is but an illusion. You cannot disprove this, I am afraid. Or maybe can you prove that one can take one's possessions with one when one dies , in heaven or hell ???

because we have been passing this illusion on from a generation to the next since ever, billions of humans could die as a result. Me a communist... LOL.

end game... blue or red pill... the choice is ours.

it is everybody's choice to ponder....

https://images.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=http%3A%2F%2Ftse1.mm.bing.net%2Fth%3Fid%3DOIP.M ad19ea08898b64b20b55de000c10494fo2%26pid%3D15.1&f=1


What can one say when confronted by complete stupidity?

[singular_me]

What can one say when confronted by complete stupidity?

instead of calling this stupidity... please answer
tell me how to resolve the economic puzzle when there is NO jobs due to robotics and mega computers.

in your perception of reality, knowledge is the nemesis.

only a beginning (from the end of capitalism thread)
Robots will cut 25% of US jobs in four years, transform workforce – report

and shift toward a robotic driven industry is really upon us, and that is why they have to kill (as fast as possible) billions of "useless eaters" so to speak.

try to resolve LESS paid workers = MORE profits instead... both trend are exponential... WHO is going to buy WHAT?

the difference between communism and voluntaryism is that the first one is enforced, the 2nd springs from reason and wisdom.

fiat money didnt create technology but human's mind, same would happen with hard currencies since we cannot stop knowledge... or can we?

[Horn]

Raise the price of electricity and away from fossil fuels, Obama is ahead of you.

Robots will be neglected for lower cost of a .gov bowl of rice.

[singular_me]

price gouging... LOL

I have this 35yo friend, well let's a woman I know, who is on student loans to get a PhD in solar engineering... she still has 4 years to go (already did 3)... in 4 years she may not find a job as computers will be smart enough to replace her job.

but this works even more so at a cubicle job level... data entry will be soon a career of the past. How many millions worldwide are doing this boring task today? Not talking of AI here.




Raise the price of electricity and away from fossil fuels, Obama is ahead of you.

Robots will be neglected for lower cost of a .gov bowl of rice.

[Horn]

student loans to get a PhD in solar engineering... she still has 4 years to go (already did 3)... in 4 years she may not find a job as computers will be smart enough to replace her job.

It must take that long anyways for her to travel to the Sun... :)

Engineers cannot be replaced by computers or robots, they are the ones powering and controlling them.

She will be busy designing the plans to power and repair yur robots (if she doesn't get burned first), her tools will just evolve.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KcB9wlmnDPY

[Spectrism]

instead of calling this stupidity... please answer
tell me how to resolve the economic puzzle when there is NO jobs due to robotics and mega computers.

I suspect you have no capability of understanding what I say. For others, I will make it a simple reply. Loss of jobs is not due to robotics... at least not yet. Jobs were lost to corrupt government and business practices, at first starting as greed and spreading to basic survival for companies. Corporations were allowed to move their manufacturing to China- as well as their technology, hardware, secrets, infrastructure, engineering, etc. This took the core jobs from America. The government pushed them with oppressive taxes, laws, regulatory statutes. Now China pollutes the world worse than we ever did while they produce crap for our consumption.


in your perception of reality, knowledge is the nemesis.
I have more knowledge and worked harder at learning than you can begin to comprehend. You spout bullshit and think you are brilliant.




only a beginning (from the end of capitalism thread)
Robots will cut 25% of US jobs in four years, transform workforce – report

and shift toward a robotic driven industry is really upon us, and that is why they have to kill (as fast as possible) billions of "useless eaters" so to speak.

25% of a hollowed out economy is NOTHING. Who builds the robots? Who writes the software? Who maintains them? These are all high tech jobs that will grow. What was lost is entire industries to China. Those are real losses.



try to resolve LESS paid workers = MORE profits instead... both trend are exponential... WHO is going to buy WHAT?

This is my point except you are clueless about how it happened. I have been watching it for 25 years. I knew more about it 20 years ago than you do today.



the difference between communism and voluntaryism is that the first one is enforced, the 2nd springs from reason and wisdom.

Your concept of reason and wisdom can be found on a bubble gum wrapper containing spit out chewing gum.


fiat money didnt create technology but human's mind, same would happen with hard currencies since we cannot stop knowledge... or can we?
Confused much. It must be a tough world for you. Real tough.

[singular_me]

spectrism, gov and fiat money didnt invent technology/computers but human creativity.

tell me how you expect to address robotics and computers that are much faster than today, that surpass human's neuronal processing? Or do you expect that a monopoly will put restrictions knowledge and imagination?


25% of a hollowed out economy is NOTHING. Who builds the robots? Who writes the software? Who maintains them? These are all high tech jobs that will grow. What was lost is entire industries to China. Those are real losses.

At some point robots will build robots.

you dont know what you are talking about. I read Kurzweil 20 years ago (the singularity is near and The Age of Spiritual Machines), and obviously you never did, otherwise you'd know that computers will self build/replicate/improve without ANY human intervention (and this will happen before AI, it is the step before AI because at this stage even programmers will not have the intellectual capacity to think that fast).

clock is ticking: humanity will only make it if we as a collective begin to understand Love vs Fear metaphysically speaking. The death cult has exploited the fear of being for much too long.

Jesus is correct when saying love your neighbor.

Humans competing wit robots ???

China becomes largest buyer of industrial robots - FT.com
China bought 36,560 industrial robots last year, a rise of almost 60 per cent against 2012, according to new figures from the International Federation of Robotics

Japan over taken by China as top buyer of industrial robots (2015)
http://www.wantchinatimes.com/news-subclass-cnt.aspx?cid=1202&MainCatID=12&id=20140603000119

manufacturing endgame
How robots are eating the last of America’s—and the world’s—traditional manufacturing jobs
with charts
http://qz.com/53710/robots-are-eating-manufacturing-jobs/


all the cubicle jobs gone
movies entirely digitalized with virtual actors
surgeons outpaced by medical robots
wall street managed by super computers (no stock brokers needed)...... etc, etc...

that is scifi and we'd better find a way to deal with it - peacefully

[singular_me]

solar engineering is all about math... and computers too and eventually they will process data much faster than humans (if it is not already the case) ... I know it hard to admit that we getting close to an end game, but that is reality.

end game = end of the world as we know it. Linear thinking could be our doom.



It must take that long anyways for her to travel to the Sun... :)

Engineers cannot be replaced by computers or robots, they are the ones powering and controlling them.

She will be busy designing the plans to power and repair yur robots (if she doesn't get burned first), her tools will just evolve.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KcB9wlmnDPY

[Spectrism]

solar engineering is all about math... and computers too and eventually they will process data much faster than humans (if it is not already the case) ... I know it hard to admit that we getting close to an end game, but that is reality.

end game = end of the world as we know it. Linear thinking could be our doom.

LOL... what do you know about "solar engineering"? PV cells are mass produced like computer wafers. Their assembly into arrays / panels is pretty simple. Charge controllers, inverters, and other power handling devices have been common knowledge for many years. There are improvements in all technologies as demand money drives them. Just what do solar engineers do?

[Spectrism]

spectrism, gov and fiat money didnt invent technology/computers but human creativity.

Are you just plain stupid? How could a piece of paper or a mindless paper pusher invent anything? Do you think you invented some great discovery- that a human must invent something? You need to stop talking to rocks.



tell me how you expect to address robotics and computers that are much faster than today, that surpass human's neuronal processing? Or do you expect that a monopoly will put restrictions knowledge and imagination?


Oh, you are right. Let's outlaw all computers, robots and desktop calculators. Whatta maroon.



At some point robots will build robots.

And at some point idiots will give birth to more idiots.



you dont know what you are talking about. I read Kurzweil 20 years ago (the singularity is near and The Age of Spiritual Machines), and obviously you never did, otherwise you'd know that computers will self build/replicate/improve without ANY human intervention (and this will happen before AI, it is the step before AI because at this stage even programmers will not have the intellectual capacity to think that fast).

All I can suggest is that you link up with John Conner before its too late. And because you typed these messages, when the robots come back in time, they will hunt you down when you were 10 years old. Did they get you? Think back... are you still here?



clock is ticking: humanity will only make it if we as a collective begin to understand Love vs Fear metaphysically speaking. The death cult has exploited the fear of being for much too long.


As a collective. LOL. It is good for people to see how idiots think.
Jesus is correct when saying love your neighbor.

Humans competing wit robots ???

China becomes largest buyer of industrial robots - FT.com
China bought 36,560 industrial robots last year, a rise of almost 60 per cent against 2012, according to new figures from the International Federation of Robotics

Japan over taken by China as top buyer of industrial robots (2015)
http://www.wantchinatimes.com/news-subclass-cnt.aspx?cid=1202&MainCatID=12&id=20140603000119

manufacturing endgame
How robots are eating the last of America’s—and the world’s—traditional manufacturing jobs
with charts
http://qz.com/53710/robots-are-eating-manufacturing-jobs/


all the cubicle jobs gone
movies entirely digitalized with virtual actors
surgeons outpaced by medical robots
wall street managed by super computers (no stock brokers needed)...... etc, etc...

that is scifi and we'd better find a way to deal with it - peacefully

[Spectrism]

anyone else finding this software garbling up? damned thing is getting annoying. can't edit a post. and can't see when you want to reply to a quote. my previous post is not complete....

[monty]

Its been garbling up for months.

[singular_me]

I am not talking of hardware... LOL... but the math to increase efficiency, the theory... right now batteries/storage are the main problem (they could cause extreme pollution if this spreads massively), and they already envision to have solar panel stations in very high altitude to address that.

... I do not know enough to talk about solar systems...

but I digress, solar is another green monopoly, Tesla found the real long and lasting solutions 100 years or so ago.


LOL... what do you know about "solar engineering"? PV cells are mass produced like computer wafers. Their assembly into arrays / panels is pretty simple. Charge controllers, inverters, and other power handling devices have been common knowledge for many years. There are improvements in all technologies as demand money drives them. Just what do solar engineers do?

spec, I really like you idea to have assembly lines of humans building robots that will eventually kill most jobs in order to save the economy. Talk of slavery.

I also can see again that you are in favor to put a block on knowledge. Robots are much less of a threat if the NWO disappears. Monopolies are the problem, not the knowledge.

I am NOT afraid of the future because my mind is flexible enough. Humans will ALWAYS further themselves, intellectually and physically... which is neither good nor bad in itself, depending on the intent. All is Mind. With your mindset, you'd have been against the doctors who risked their lives to dissect human bodies 300 years or so ago...

the challenge never changes, it just shifts perceptions from one era to the next: what does it mean to be a human being is the bottom line question.

as it is today, I stand against the NWO and its plan to terminate muchof mankind, whatever mean is used... the matrix has always existed, it just becomes more obvious by the day that's there. It all comes down to what we wish to make of it... fear vs love.

we do not examine the same data, spec... but thats alright. You gave me the idea for a 2nd book.

[Horn]

solar engineering is all about math...

Much of engineering is about and around Math, whether its processed faster or all together fractionally reduced to almost nothing does not eliminate the engineer.

The engineer is integral part and always will be, he pulls the levers and punches the "human generated numbers" where they need to be placed. No computer has or will ever have that capacity, nor ever have the will to improve upon itself in that capacity.

[singular_me]

I disagree horn... at some point computers will do the entry data. That is why all cubicle jobs will eventually vanish and wallstreet brokers replaced with algorithm computing.

if you want the human brain to be able to cope with a faster processing speed, then you'll have to agree with Kurzweil and co asserting that this problem can be fixed with augmenting neuronal performance by implanted nanosensors. The only problem with that vision is that much of mankind must be terminated because people are not prepared for the end of the paradigm. The NWO know they will fight it, so agenda 21 must be implemented.

No invention/creativity can be deemed evil as long as the respect for Life transcend it. Money stands in the way as it needs social classes for its darwinian consume or die framework (circular thinking), and which can only survive by putting a block on knowledge, but how realistic is that?

There is a reason why the bible says that humans were given the dominion over Nature, to allow this very transcendence, and which his prime purpose.

If we do not merge metaphysics and sciences, we are doomed. Keeping both separated is what causes evil and atheistic sciences that led us to this impasse.

RIP darwin


Much of engineering is about and around Math, whether its processed faster or all together fractionally reduced to almost nothing does not eliminate the engineer.

The engineer is integral part and always will be, he pulls the levers and punches the "human generated numbers" where they need to be placed. No computer has or will ever have that capacity, nor ever have the will to improve upon itself in that capacity.

[Spectrism]

if you want the human brain to be able to cope with a faster processing speed, then you'll have to agree with Kurzweil and co asserting that this problem can be fixed with augmenting neuronal performance by implanted nanosensors. The only problem with that vision is that much of mankind must be terminated because people are not prepared for the end of the paradigm. The NWO know they will fight it, so agenda 21 must be implemented.

Oh, so that is the reason for Agenda 21.... to make room for robots. Sure. Moron.


No invention/creativity can be deemed evil as long as the respect for Life transcend it.
Do you just randomly throw words together and think you are making sense? What makes you different from a chimpanzee selecting words for a sentence by pushing buttons on a panel before him?


Money stands in the way as it needs social classes for its darwinian consume or die framework (circular thinking), and which can only survive by putting a block on knowledge, but how realistic is that?

Back to the evil money- which you ain't got. You are socialist because you want to TAKE from others what does not belong to you. That is evil... not the money. Profit is not evil but those who look on others' work and gains with envy and greed are evil.



There is a reason why the bible says that humans were given the dominion over Nature, to allow this very transcendence, and which his prime purpose.

Liar. You have no clue what you are saying, and I am being kind. Because if you had a clue and still said these things, you would be a devil. I have not ruled that out.



If we do not merge metaphysics and sciences, we are doomed. Keeping both separated is what causes evil and atheistic sciences that led us to this impasse.

The crap you spew is endless. Do you get hemorrhoids in your mouth?

[singular_me]

Spectrism, you cannot debate me... you have no argument other than your consume or die theory, mimicking animals and cavemen, to make your world go round.

I beg to differ.

There is a reason why the bible says that man was given the dominion over Nature: to allow this very transcendence in his creativity, called Enlightenment, and which his prime purpose.... Even Tesla knew this, hence the quote of his that I posted earlier. So was he a devil too? ;D

more knowledge will always demands more empathy and less materialism. Because the threat that we self destructs grows bigger, is exponential to knowledge.... That's the catch 22. Please call me a socialist because I understand the stakes. LOL

[Horn]

There is no demand without humans, singular.

A Machine can not create a demand to better or repair themselves, even if presented such a program to do so it would run its course in circles and fizzle in a matter of seconds. There's no machined will to do so.

Engineers are the human interface between human demands and machines, they're hardly in jeopardy of being "solved" or replaced in any near future. Or any future for that matter, even a machined future.

What your stating is that humans will be able to program things into machines that they (humans) have no idea whatsoever how are operated. Its an engineering quagmire that will have no end.

[mick silver]

U.S. StocksSee After-Hours Trading (http://money.cnn.com/data/afterhours) Data as of 5:16pm ET
Tuesday’s Close:


Dow (http://money.cnn.com/data/markets/dow) -49.97

17,081.89
-0.29%
Nasdaq (http://money.cnn.com/data/markets/nasdaq) -42.03

4,796.61
-0.87%
S&P (http://money.cnn.com/data/markets/sandp) -13.77

2,003.69
-0.68%

[Spectrism]

U.S. Stocks

See After-Hours Trading (http://money.cnn.com/data/afterhours) Data as of 5:16pm ET
Tuesday’s Close:


Dow (http://money.cnn.com/data/markets/dow) -49.97

17,081.89
-0.29%
Nasdaq (http://money.cnn.com/data/markets/nasdaq) -42.03

4,796.61
-0.87%
S&P (http://money.cnn.com/data/markets/sandp) -13.77

2,003.69
-0.68%




I think this starts the next leg down.

[Sparky]

price gouging... LOL

I have this 35yo friend, well let's a woman I know, who is on student loans to get a PhD in solar engineering... she still has 4 years to go (already did 3)... in 4 years she may not find a job as computers will be smart enough to replace her job.
...

Someone needs to synthesize scientific and engineering principles in order to instruct the computers what to do. Maybe she can do that.

[singular_me]

There is no demand without humans, singular.


I do not believe that a fully computerized world can work in our physical reality, which has its own boundaries. But the transhumanist agenda also operates outside of our realm. More can be said about this but I will stop here. All I can say, is that scifi is for real. Remember the movie prometheus?

the problem is that societies have always treated humans as commodities... and if continuing to do so, getting rid of the NWO and its ilks is just impossible.

[singular_me]

my final post to this thread:

“What we now want is closer contact and better understanding between individuals and communities all over the earth, and the elimination of egoism and pride which is always prone to plunge the world into primeval barbarism and strife... Peace can only come as a natural consequence of universal enlightenment...” ― Nikola Tesla


my stance is not about money per se but the speculative drive that supports it. One just cannot get more than what one puts in and it what is the root cause of boom and bust cycles (upheavals), which profit to some because they have access to data that others dont. So if booms and busts are mainly possible due to the ignorance of the so many, we have a problem, this leads to the scourge of monetizing knowledge which results in economic bondage of the many. Regarding competition as a 'fatality of life' is utterly immoral because that darwinian/atheistic mindset is exactly why the NWO came to life several millennia ago.

Knowledge, when monetized/monopolized, is against God – or the Cosmic Mind – as enlightenment is the purpose of any sentient being. Enlightenment is the only path possible – or self destruction. That is why man was given the dominion over Nature, and along with it comes this daunting choice... good or evil. I am summarizing a lot, but that's the only ball game in the Universe that is taking place within all dimensions of the 'whole that it'.

There is nothing wrong with money per se as long as it is used to COMPLETELY even out production and consumption .. to maintain the Equilibrium of cosmic zero sum game. The Equilibrium is getting out of whack as soon as we begin to establish a pyramidal reward system and causing venality/collusion to prevail and which ultimately leads to treating humans as commodities, not to mention ecologic destruction. But who needs money in a zero profit economy, why not work just out of passion instead?

That lies the dilemma of any monetary system... the challenge of materialism which can only be overcome if we transcend darwinism. The belief that animal competition between humans is ok is completely atheistic in essence. Charity when monetized is another atheistic fallacy and will never fix the inherent social venality caused by speculation.

We only need to look at 4000 years of history to see why gold and silver will not change societies. It is impossible to get rid of the NWO using the same mindset that created it. Unfortunately while the Bible speaks many truths it also was written by man. Whoever understands the self-existing natural law of dualism sees it in the bible all over the place (and in any other religious dogmas as well).

The choice is upon us: shall we continue to behave like (fearful) animals and keep ignoring the cosmic zero sum game.... or not ??? Of course if we do decide to respect Nature's Equilibrium, it is obvious a Empathy/Love is a paramount that needs to be regarded as a model. Choosing this path also allows all the Knowledge that exists to be used for a greater good. As it has not (never been) the case, we are now faced with various and dire threats, not to mention the end of society as we know it. And a turmoil that could kill billions of humans.

There is nothing socialistic but (meta)physics... or is God a collectivist ???

CONCLUSION:
Transcend darwin (love) or go extinct (fear).

Infamous mason francis bacon: to command Nature we must obey Her first. See how the death cult uses this powerful knowledge (and subvert it) against mankind...

we are trapped by dogmas that deter us from seeing that the quest for materialism is an illusion, while the issue is really metaphysical

[Horn]

I think your type of enlightenment has already arrived just has a problem of recognizing itself in a result. Its really just being wise. Take Trump for instance, he took his money out of the market cause he could not control it there.

Its not to say that the money, market or ego should be eliminated, is just knowing what things have run their course. The market and money are powerful tools for bringing new technology to reality. The Enlightened Jew in Einstein realized that even. Once brought to reality is when the parasite sets in, those are the parts that needs discipline of wisdom.

Pork bellies and similar commodity, even financial have run their course and should be excluded.

[mick silver]

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[mick silver]

U.S. stocks are bouncing back after a massive 1,000 point drop at the open

dam I missed this one ............. http://money.cnn.com/video/news/2015/08/24/dow-bounces-back-stock-market-selloff.cnnmoney/index.html?iid=ob_marketpg_video&iid=obnetwork

[mick silver]

Are Stock Markets Acting Rationally?
By Daily Bell Staff - November 06, 2015



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U.S. stocks decline as jobs report looms ... U.S. stocks ended Thursday's session modestly lower for a second consecutive day as investors turned cautious ahead of an important employment report due Friday. – MarketWatch (http://www.marketwatch.com/story/us-stocks-facebook-eyes-big-up-day-but-no-lift-for-futures-2015-11-05)
Dominant Social Theme: The market is in a good place.
Free-Market Analysis: Commentators often attribute human-like qualities to stocks and stock markets. The market was "waiting" today, they'll say, or is "being patient."
Presumably this helps comfort investors who spook fairly easily, especially when markets are making all-time highs. This market is surely alarming to some because – according to various accounts – it is not trading on "fundamentals" anymore.
Some might argue as well that markets never traded on fundamentals! Markets are highly susceptible to monopoly fiat money (http://www.thedailybell.com/definitions/params/id/803/) flows from central banks (http://www.thedailybell.com/definitions/params/id/2958/). In fact, one might logically suggest that without monopoly money stimulation, markets would not be nearly so profitable nor exciting as they have been in the modern era, nor so dangerous and volatile.
When it comes to what is traded on stock markets – corporate paper of various kinds – we have discovered a similar level of artifice. Corporations themselves are artificial entities created by judicial fiat, intellectual property, corporate personhood and, of course, monopoly fiat currency.
These are the building blocks of the huge entities that trade so profitably on equally vast and laboriously manufactured securities bourses.
When one examines the process closely, (as the Internet has allowed us to do) the illogical and anti-free market nature of modern stock trading soon becomes evident. Nonetheless, this is the system that we have. Some make tremendous amounts of money based on the leverage and liquidity it provides.
Market commentators are not "supposed" to make statements like that, of course. Modern stock markets are supposed to be logical outcomes of a perfected market capitalism (http://www.thedailybell.com/definitions/params/id/1903/). And as we've just pointed out, there are always "reasons" why markets act the way they do just to make sure the average investor doesn't believe there is anything illogical going on.
Here's more from Marketwatch:
"The mild pullback over the past two days is probably more due to a quiet consolidation after a big run-up over the previous few weeks. It's normal and healthy for the market at this point," said Arthur Hogan, chief market strategist at Wunderlich Securities.
Of course, we're not so sure as strategist Hogan that a rate hike is in the offing. As we've pointed out previously, based on various analyses that make sense to us, the Fed (http://www.thedailybell.com/definitions/params/id/1855/) is trying to deflate market bubbles without actually having to raise rates. This is done by constantly threatening a hike without doing it.
In fact, Hogan is quoted in the article as confirming the results of this sort of strategy. The Fed's "hawkish messages" are weighing the market down, he states. Meanwhile, messages regarding monetary discipline are also contributing to the dollar's continued strengthening.
Another pundit quoted in this MarketWatch article is Brian Fenske, head of sales-trading at ITG. He believes that stocks have already "absorb[ed] bad news and that the "path of least resistance is up at this point."
He's also a believer that the Fed will raise rates in December as officials have been hinting. "At this point, everyone knows rates are going up."
Well ... not so fast. One person who is not sure where markets are headed is contrarian investor and forecaster Marc Faber (http://www.thedailybell.com/definitions/params/id/2545/), publisher of the Gloom, Boom & Doom Report.
According to an article (http://www.goldcore.com/us/gold-blog/great-optimist-faber-says-i-added-to-my-gold-position/) in GoldCore that is based on an interview with Faber, the Swiss publisher is now claiming he is an "optimist."
"I always tell people, I am a great optimist ... because one of the most dangerous things to do is to drive motorcycles in Thailand and I have five motorcycles."
Faber actually hasn't changed his mind about the markets. He's still pretty much a perma-bear, worrying about the economy and the larger geopolitical picture.
"I'm most gloomy about the prospects of the global economy, but it doesn't mean that markets will go down," he told CNBC. But on the other hand, he says "you have the mad professors at central banks around the world who think that because of a weakening economy they have to do more [quantitative easing]."
Faber – much like professional bear Jim Rogers (http://www.thedailybell.com/definitions/params/id/2086/) – is mostly positive about Asia so long as there is "peace and tensions [don't] explode ... It's a boom region, Indochina. It includes Vietnam, Cambodia, Laos, Thailand ... Myanmar, Malaysia, Singapore." This region could "easily" grow at 6%-8% per annum for a decade or more, according to Faber.
As a result, Faber is investing in both stock and real estate in the region. On the other hand, he is a bear as regards US markets and has chosen gold and gold mining stocks over Western equities. "I added to my gold position about two months ago, and I bought some gold-related equities."
Faber is concerned about volatility in Western stock marts and believes that August's significant drops could come again.
Much of what Faber says makes sense, from our perspective, and we've written about these sorts of moves in the past. Owning some gold (and silver) is always prudent. US equity markets are likely to be more volatile over the months ahead and if one wants to make investments it may be more prudent to do it abroad than at home.
One area that Faber doesn't explore is pre-public offerings. These are arguably less subject to volatility than public markets and if investors manage to find the "right" sector at the right time, the potential rewards can be significant.
The idea of the above moves is to diversify. We're certainly at or near the end of a great business cycle (http://www.thedailybell.com/definitions/params/id/634/) and unlike what market analysts are telling us, there's nothing very "rational" about the way markets act at a top. Diversification and asset allocation are the watchwords here – including sector diversification.
Conclusion: One sector we regularly mention is cannabis, given the likelihood that a whole new industry will soon expand around the world – one equal in size to if not bigger than tobacco or alcohol. For information about sector investing, please see chief editor Anthony Wile's latest book, here (http://www.thedailybell.com/books-by-anthony-wile/).

- See more at: http://www.thedailybell.com/news-analysis/36628/Are-Stock-Markets-Acting-Rationally/#sthash.MtOfDeIB.dpuf

[mick silver]

Friday’s Close:


Dow (http://money.cnn.com/data/markets/dow) +46.9

17,910.33
+0.26%
Nasdaq (http://money.cnn.com/data/markets/nasdaq) +19.38

5,147.12
+0.38%
S&P (http://money.cnn.com/data/markets/sandp) -0.73

2,099.20
-0.03%

[Cebu_4_2]

All is well.

[mick silver]

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