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ShortJohnSilver
29th September 2015, 07:47 PM
I don't have a firm opinion one way or the other about the moon landing, however, today I bought some old slides and came across what I assume, is a slide copy from November 1971 of the iconic "Man on Moon" with the other astronaut reflected in the visor.

I made a high res scan of this image and would be willing to put it up somewhere , if you recommend a good free location to share it from anonymously.

Image specs: 6000 x 4200 scan, about 76MB, 16 bit TIFF scan.

Of course it is probably a copy of what NASA put out, but if someone wants to look at it, they are welcome to do so.

Cebu_4_2
29th September 2015, 08:06 PM
This place is free but wont accept that high of resolution http://postimage.org/

ShortJohnSilver
29th September 2015, 10:43 PM
OK a BIG image, JPEG, is here, won't be quite as perfect... http://imgur.com/886MTip

By the way, it is difficult to tell, from the extreme curvature of the reflected image in the visor, however, a skeptical person might look at the reflected images of the other two.

Everyone on the surface of the moon, should be dressed nearly identically, right?

In the same bulky suits?

And despite height and weight differences (which weren't very extreme among the physically fit astronauts) they should look about the same in terms of external profile due to those same bulky suits.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo_11#/media/File:Apollo_11.jpg

1. they look about the same size in that photo (according to Google, Armstrong and Collins were 5'11, Aldrin 5'10)

2. the suits they are shown with in the clear shot don't look exactly the the same as the Man on the Moon shot.

Well unless my eyes are not correcting for the visor's curvature properly, the astronaut taking the photo and the other one behind him (reflected as well), don't seem to be wearing the same bulky suits... remember that the visor and the camera taking the picture, were of the highest quality in manufacture - so the visor won't have any imperfections in the glass, and the camera has as close to a perfect lens, as possible.

Look at the legs of the closest astronaut, use your brain to visually correct the funhouse mirror effect. Now look at the astronaut whose picture was taken, and the thickness of his legs.

As well, look at the astronaut's hand on the left - there is some kind of strap around his wrist - seems odd.

Finally, look at the ground - note the harsh shadows, with no details in the parts not lit by sunlight? See the shadow cast by the astronaut's boots, quite black ... so since the astronaut we are looking at is in shadow, where is the light coming from? If from the lander, then why is the shadow in front of his boots also not lightened?

Cebu_4_2
30th September 2015, 12:41 AM
The more I look at the lighting/shadows the more I have to say 'where would I start?'

cheka.
30th September 2015, 09:22 PM
favorite moon story..

c'mon

http://www.reuters.com/article/2009/07/20/us-nasa-tapes-idUSTRE56F5MK20090720

The original recordings of the first humans landing on the moon 40 years ago were erased and re-used, but newly restored copies of the original broadcast look even better, NASA officials said on Thursday.

Glass
30th September 2015, 10:00 PM
I spent quite a bit of time looking at that image and I don't see anything majorly wrong with it.

I see that all of the cross hairs appear to be on top (overlaid) of the actual scene. There are some images out there where those cross hairs are blocked by rocks or portions of a space suit. I think it was an arm from memory.

2nd thing I took note of, was that these cross hairs are not perfectly horizontal/vertically aligned to the pictures edges. This is often something raised by people to prove that the astronauts could not have taken the images because they were too perfectly framed. The camera is fixed to the astronauts chest and they cannot look through the view finder to set up the shot. Here, those cross hairs are at a slight left down to right angle.

3rd thing I noticed was that this astronauts suit does look like it is under positive pressure. It does appear to be inflated. Again, lack of apparent suit inflation is an indication they are not in space.

4th thing. Dirt on the guys shoes and knees. At least something gets dirty up there.

Some other thoughts that were invoked:

Taking photos. I wondered if those photos were all single shot events or whether they set the cameras up to take a couple shots in succession. That way they would have many many photos and they can choose the best ones and discard those that were not in focus or badly framed.

The astronauts visor (and all equip really) was probably the best available at the time but it is not perfect. So you might get some freaky reflections, like the hall of mirrors type effect. I think the reflection of the Astronaut is pretty good. I am not sure about the thing protruding from the reflections left side - right hand side of the astronaut. There is a hose extending from the LSU, looping and then going somewhere. The shape doesn't look the same as the reflection. Not sure what to make of that.

Are there 2 or three astronauts there. The photo suggests 3 but its feasible that there are 2 and that the one out back was the photographer.

The suits look to be of equal bulk to me. I don't see any real difference between them.

Thanks for sharing the photo.

Glass
6th October 2015, 04:50 PM
NASA have just re-released this image as part of a release of 10,000 Apollo mission images

https://cdn.rt.com/files/2015.10/original/5612219dc361881e168b4599.jpg

Actually it looks like the same image, but it is not.

The firs thing that hits me with this one is that all the etched cross hairs are perfectly aligned with the edges of the photo. Must have been a fluke.

https://www.rt.com/news/317650-apollo-gallery-pictures-photos/

Glass
6th October 2015, 04:53 PM
Does this look like the right size distance ratio to you?
https://cdn.rt.com/files/2015.10/original/56122a4fc4618883128b456d.jpg

If the earth is X times bigger than the moon, the earth should look bigger than the moon does when looking from one to the other.

https://cdn.rt.com/files/2015.10/original/5612547cc36188cc148b456f.jpg

Ponce
6th October 2015, 05:22 PM
Look how clean the lander looks.........just back from the car wash after landing on the MOON?......all that you have on the moon is dust, so.........how can it look so clean?

Jerrylynnb
6th October 2015, 05:23 PM
Show me a photo of that flag on that pole at that "lunar" (so-called) landing site - taken from any of the many lunar orbiter cameras afterwards.

What? You say there is no such photo?

Hmmm.

I wonder why not...

Cebu_4_2
6th October 2015, 06:28 PM
Plus is doesn't appear to be flat, total fakery.


Does this look like the right size distance ratio to you?
https://cdn.rt.com/files/2015.10/original/56122a4fc4618883128b456d.jpg

If the earth is X times bigger than the moon, the earth should look bigger than the moon does when looking from one to the other.

Ponce
6th October 2015, 08:29 PM
I should ask the guy from Cuba who went into space....... I just learned about it today.

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vacuum
6th October 2015, 08:35 PM
Here is a good place to upload your image:

https://mega.nz