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mick silver
30th September 2015, 04:35 PM
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By Andrew Osborn and Phil Stewart



MOSCOW/WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Russia launched air strikes in Syria on Wednesday in the Kremlin's biggest Middle East intervention in decades, but Moscow's assertion that it had hit Islamic State was immediately disputed by the United States and rebels on the ground.
The air strikes plunged the four-year-old civil war in Syria into a volatile new phase as President Vladimir Putin moved forcefully to assert Russian influence in the unstable region.
The attacks also raised the dangerous specter of Washington and Moscow running air strikes concurrently and in the same region, but without coordination.
U.S. Defense Secretary Ash Carter said he had directed U.S. military officials to meet with their Russian counterparts "as soon as possible" to discuss ways to make sure they do not come into conflict.
The United States said a Russian official in Baghdad warned it to keep American aircraft that have been pressing a daily bombing campaign against Islamic State positions to stay out of Syrian airspace during Moscow's air strikes. But the United States continued its air operations, saying it targeted Islamic State near the Syrian city of Aleppo.
Putin said he was striking against Islamic State and helping Syrian President Bashar al-Assad, long Russia's closest ally in the region, in this aim.
But Washington is concerned that Moscow is more interested in propping up Assad, who the United States has long held should leave office, than in beating Islamic State. Assad's opponents in the brutal civil war include rebel groups that oppose both him and Islamic State and that are supported by the United States and other Western countries.
The Russian defense ministry said it carried out about 20 flights over Syria, hitting eight Islamic State targets and destroying an Islamic State command post and an operations center in a mountainous area, Russian agencies reported.
Syrians living in rebel-held areas of Homs province said the violence unleashed by the Russian air force unleashed a whole new level of devastation on their towns. Jets flying at higher altitudes than the Syrian air force emitted no noise to alert the people below to raids reported to have killed at least 33 civilians, including children.
Moscow's intervention means the conflict in Syria has been transformed in a few months from a proxy war, in which outside powers were arming and training mostly Syrians to fight each other, to an international conflict in which the world’s main military powers except China are directly involved in fighting.
Russia joined the United States and its Arab allies, Turkey, France, Iran and Israel in direct intervention, with Britain expected to join soon, if it gets parliamentary approval.
Carter said of the strikes, "It does appear that they were in areas where there probably were not ISIL forces, and that is precisely one of the problems with this whole approach." ISIL is one of the acronyms for Islamic State, which has seized control of large areas of Syria and Iraq over the past year.
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Notice of the attack came from a Russian official in Baghdad who asked the United States to avoid Syrian airspace during the mission, U.S. State Department spokesman John Kirby said.
DANGER IN THE SKIES
Moscow's move meant that warplanes from both the United States and Russia will be sharing the skies above Syria.
"In this heated situation there is a great danger of further misunderstandings," German Foreign Minister Frank-Walter Steinmeier said at the United Nations.
Reflecting growing tension between the big powers, U.S. Secretary John Kerry phoned his Russian counterpart Sergei Lavrov early on Wednesday to tell him the United States regarded the strikes as dangerous, a U.S. official told Reuters, speaking on condition of anonymity.
White House spokesman Josh Earnest said Russia was moving to "ramp up" support for Assad, adding, "They've made a significant military investment now in further popping him up."
Earnest called it "an indication of how concerned they are about losing influence in the one client state that they have in the Middle East."
At least 200,000 people have been killed and millions driven from their homes since the civil war began in 2011 when Assad's forces moved to crush peaceful protests against his family's four-decade rule.
In Moscow, Putin said the air strikes would be limited in scope and that he hoped Assad was ready for political reform and a compromise for the sake of his country and people.
"I know that President Assad understands that and is ready for such a process. We hope that he will be active and flexible and ready to compromise in the name of his country and his people," Putin told reporters.
Kerry said Washington would have "grave concerns" if Russia hit Syrian targets where Islamic State fighters were not present. Speaking at the U.N. Security Council, Kerry also reiterated Washington's view that the militant group "cannot be defeated as long as Bashar al-Assad remains president of Syria."
Areas of Homs province struck by the Russians are controlled by an array of rebel groups including several operating under the banner of the "Free Syrian Army," activists, locals and rebels said.
The Homs area is crucial to Assad's control of western Syria. Insurgent control of that area would bisect the Assad-held west, separating Damascus from the coastal cities of Latakia and Tartous, where Russia operates a naval facility.
'CHANNELS OF COMMUNICATION'
The Russian air strikes came two days after Putin met with U.S. President Barack Obama at the United Nations and the two agreed their armed forces should hold talks to avoid coming into conflict in Syria.
Lavrov said Russia was ready to open "standing channels of communication" with the U.S.-led coalition bombing Islamic State militants.
Russian jets went into action after the upper house of the Russian parliament gave Putin unanimous backing for strikes following a request for military assistance from Assad.
The last time the Russian parliament granted Putin the right to use military force abroad, a technical requirement under Russian law, Moscow seized Crimea from Ukraine last year.
Putin said Russia's military involvement in the Middle East would involve only its air force and would be temporary. One of the reasons for getting involved was the need to stop Russian citizens who had joined the ranks of Islamic State from later returning home to cause trouble, he said.
Russia has been steadily dispatching military aircraft to a base in Latakia, regarded as an Assad stronghold, after the Syrian government suffered a series of battlefield reverses.
Moscow has already sent military experts to a recently established command center in Baghdad which is coordinating air strikes and ground troops in Syria, a Russian official told Reuters.
Russia's involvement in Syria will be a further challenge for Moscow, which is already intervening in Ukraine at a time when its own economy is suffering from low oil prices and Western sanctions.
(Additional reporting by Lidia Kelly, Daria Korsunskaya, Alexander Winning, Gabriela Baczynska, Vladimir Soldatkin, Maria Tsvetkova and Tom Perry and Mariam Karouny in Beirut, Sylvia Westall, Jean-Baptiste Vey in Paris, Phil Stewart in Washington; Writing by Andrew Osborn and Will Dunham; Editing by Giles Elgood and Frances Kerry)


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Dogman
30th September 2015, 04:37 PM
No chit!

Cold war II

That at a drop of a tiny pin , kaddy bar the door !

Got popcorn?

mick silver
30th September 2015, 04:41 PM
Russia strikes not targeting Islamic State areas in Syria: U.S. officialhttp://l.yimg.com/a/p/us/news/editorial/d/0c/d0c3eb8ca18907492a4b337b5cec5193.jpeg (http://www.reuters.com/) 9 hours ago











WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Russia's airstrikes in Syria so far do not appear to be targeting Islamic State-held territory, a U.S. official told Reuters on Wednesday, a crucial detail which could complicate any potential cooperation with the United States in the war.
The official, who spoke on condition of anonymity, said Russia was carrying out the strikes in the vicinity of Homs and perhaps other areas in Syria as well, noting that all U.S. information on Russian activity was still preliminary.
Russia cautioned the United States to clear Syrian airspace ahead of the strikes, the U.S. official said, adding, however, that the U.S.-led coalition was "continuing to fly missions in Syria."
A senior Russian military officer delivered the message to the United States in Baghdad on Wednesday, the U.S. official said.
(Reporting by Phil Stewart; Editing by Susan Heavey)


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Dogman
30th September 2015, 04:45 PM
It does seem to be russia and the us have different agendas.

What will be fun and sad is to see how things are going to play out, and how many more innocent people will be killed that all they ever wanted was to live and raise their family's and strive for a good life.

Just like the rest of us reading this ! ;D

Got popcorn?

mick silver
30th September 2015, 04:52 PM
no popcorn just a cold beer

Dogman
30th September 2015, 05:05 PM
no popcorn just a cold beer Beer and popcorn go very well , unless you have plates in your mouth !

;D

mick silver
1st October 2015, 09:19 AM
Russia says Islamic State group not the only target in Syria
http://news.yahoo.com/russian-envoy-syria-needs-free-elections-defeat-073401974.html#MOSCOW (AP) — Russian jets carried out a second day of airstrikes in Syria Thursday, and Sen. John McCain said that the targets included U.S.-backed rebels, as concerns grew about a conflict that has now drawn in warplanes from the world's two most powerful militaries.



Russian President Vladimir Putin denied reports that civilians were killed in any Russian airstrikes.
"We are ready for such information attacks," he said in a live broadcast from the Kremlin. "The first reports of civilian casualties came even before our jets took off."
Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov said his country and the U.S.-coalition "see eye-to-eye" on the targets of the fight in Syria and that the first military contact between Russia and the U.S. would take place "very, very soon." He added that "we believe that our position is absolutely in line with international law."
Russian jets appeared to be primarily bombing central and northwestern Syria, strategic regions that are the gateway to President Bashar Assad's strongholds in the capital Damascus and the coast. The United States and allies fear that Russia, which has backed the Assad family since the current leader's father was in power, is using the air campaign as a pretext to shore up dwindling defenses — not go after Islamic State.
McCain said Thursday that some Russian airstrikes in Syria were aimed at CIA-backed groups fighting the Assad regime, echoing claims from activists.
McCain, who chairs the Senate Armed Services Committee, told CNN he "can absolutely confirm to you that they were strikes against our Free Syrian Army, or groups that have been armed and trained by the CIA, because we have communications with people there."
Russian Defense Ministry spokesman Igor Konashenkov said Russian aircraft damaged or destroyed 12 targets in Syria belonging to the Islamic State group including a command center and two ammunition depots. Officials acknowledged, however, that other unidentified groups were being targeted as well.
Konashenkov said Russian Su-25M and Su-25 jets flew 20 sorties between Wednesday and Thursday morning. He insisted that civilian areas were not targeted.
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The Britain-based Syrian Observatory for Human Rights said airstrikes in the central province of Hama on Thursday hit locations of the U.S.-backed rebel group Tajamu Alezzah, as well as the province of Idlib, which is controlled by a coalition of rebel groups that include al-Qaida's affiliate in Syria, Jabhat al-Nusra.
The British group said Tajamu Alezzah was also targeted on Wednesday.
Russia's air campaign in support of Syrian government forces began Wednesday in what Putin called a pre-emptive strike against militants. Putin's spokesman, Dmitry Peskov, said Russia was going after IS militants as well as a "list" of other groups.
"These organizations are well known and the targets are chosen in coordination with the armed forces of Syria," he said Thursday, without specifying.
Hundreds of Muslim Chechens and Central Asian fighters have joined the battles in Syria since the early days of the civil war, and many form the backbone of al-Nusra and Islamic State. Some of those Chechen extremists are part of the coalition that controls Idlib.

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In Paris, Russian Ambassador Alexander Orlov insisted that Russian warplanes in Syria were hitting at the same extremists targeted by the U.S. and denied American claims that its military failed to coordinate the airstrikes.
Orlov said the targets were installations for IS and Jabhat al-Nusra, "two terrorist organizations recognized as such."
The U.S. and Russia agree on the need to fight IS but not about what to do with Assad. The Syrian civil war, which grew out of an uprising against the longtime leader, has killed more than 250,000 people since March 2011 and sent millions fleeing elsewhere in the Middle East and Europe.
With American and allied airstrikes daily, and now Russian warplanes in the Syrian airspace, the war is taking on a dangerous new dimension.
Orlov said Russian officials warned the Americans "via confidential channels" of where they planned to strike. He also noted a coordination center was being set up in Baghdad that would include Syrians, Iraqis, Iranians and Russians — and any other country that wants to participate.
Khaled Khoja, head of the Syrian National Council opposition group, said at the U.N. that Russian airstrikes in four areas, including Talbiseh, killed 36 civilians, with five children among the dead. The claim could not be independently verified.



Iran's Foreign Ministry said it fully supports Russian airstrikes against "terrorist groups" in Syria.The ministry's spokeswoman, Marzieh Afkham, said the "Islamic Republic of Iran considers military action by Russia against armed terrorist groups to be a step toward fighting terrorism and toward resolving the current crisis" in Syria.
Her statement was carried by the official IRNA news agency.
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Hinnant reported from Paris. Sarah El Deeb contributed from Beirut. Cara Anna contributed from the United Nations.


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Cebu_4_2
1st October 2015, 09:28 AM
Orlov said Russian officials warned the Americans "via confidential channels" of where they planned to strike. He also noted a coordination center was being set up in Baghdad that would include Syrians, Iraqis, Iranians and Russians — and any other country that wants to participate.

That's interesting...

mick silver
1st October 2015, 09:33 AM
Russian air strikes hit CIA-trained rebels, commander says
BEIRUT (Reuters) - Two Russian air strikes in Syria on Thursday hit a training camp operated by rebel group that received military training from the U.S. Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) in Qatar and Saudi Arabia, its commander said.



Hassan Haj Ali, head of the Liwa Suqour al-Jabal rebel group, told Reuters the camp in Idlib province was struck by around 20 missiles in two separate sorties.
Haj Ali, a Syrian army captain who defected after the uprising against President Bashar al-Assad, said some of the guards of the facility were slightly wounded in the attack.
"Russia is challenging everyone and saying there is no alternative to Bashar," Haj Ali said. He said the Russian jets had been identified by members of his group who once served as Syrian air force pilots.
His group counts itself as part of the "Free Syrian Army", which was set up by Syrian army defectors after the eruption of the uprising. The FSA today is a loose alliance of rebel groups without a centralized command and control structure.
The CIA has run an ostensibly covert training program for vetted Syrian rebel groups deemed moderate by Western states that have supported the uprising against Assad.
Haj Ali said his fighters had attended several trainings in Qatar and Saudi Arabia. It is at least the third "Free Syrian Army" group to report being targeted in air strikes which Russia says are targeting Islamic State.
U.S. Senator John McCain on Thursday said Russia's initial air strikes in Syria targeted recruits in the Free Syrian Army rebel group backed by the United States.
FSA groups have been eclipsed in much of Syria by jihadists such as Islamic State and the al Qaeda-linked Nusra Front.
(Reporting by Tom Perry; Editing by Tom Heneghan)


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mick silver
1st October 2015, 09:40 AM
Iraq would welcome Russian strikes against Islamic State: Abadi
http://news.yahoo.com/iraq-says-welcome-russian-air-strikes-against-iraq-145255269.html

mick silver
1st October 2015, 09:53 AM
First Russian Airstrikes in Syria! US Says Putin is Killing Their Dudes! http://www.dailystormer.com/first-russian-airstrikes-in-syria-us-says-putin-is-killing-their-dudes-haha/

midnight rambler
1st October 2015, 10:16 AM
By (allegedly) attacking the FSA the Russians would appear to be sending the clear message: "We're not fucking around, we're taking out any violent opposition to the legitimate government of Syria REGARDLESS of any sponsorship by the west." The "only one hour" heads-up would be an indication of: "Stand clear, we mean business, so get the fuck out of our way. We have no intention of advising you of our operations beforehand.*" imo

*no doubt Uncle Satan has a well established record of advising the Russians well in advance of the Pentagram's operations in the ME /s

collector
1st October 2015, 10:29 AM
As they should - I still haven't heard about an all out declaration of war between the US and Syria. If we want to play the game of arming groups fighting the legitimate gov't of Syria, then we can't claim to be against terrorism because that fits the definition of terrorism exactly.

Cebu_4_2
1st October 2015, 12:46 PM
If we want to play the game of arming groups fighting the legitimate gov't of Syria, then we can't claim to be against terrorism because that fits the definition of terrorism exactly.

If this only was parroted in the MSM we would be getting somewhere.

Neuro
1st October 2015, 01:15 PM
IF the groups were trained in Saudi Arabia and Qatar, they are per definition Sunni extremists, the CIA may think they have vetted them properly against extremism, they didn't, it is these very groups where a high number joined ISIS, and thus ISIS all of a sudden got loads of US weapons with which they took a large part of Iraq a year or so ago, rolling in in Humvees!

mick silver
1st October 2015, 01:20 PM
Rome is coming apart one brick at a time , looks like Iraq wanting Russia to come in and help also

mick silver
1st October 2015, 01:46 PM
As Russia enters Syria's war, Ukrainians ask what it means for theirs
Moscow has shifted its foreign policy gaze to the defense of Syria's regime amid a lull in the conflict in eastern Ukraine. Some worry that the US could downplay Ukraine's plight in order to cooperate with Russia in Syria.http://l.yimg.com/a/i/us/nws/p/csm_logo_115.jpg (http://www.csmonitor.com/) By Fred Weir 1 hour ago









Russia's military involvement in Syria (http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Europe/2015/0930/Kremlin-launches-airstrikes-in-Syria-despite-Russian-public-s-reluctance) has generated great unease among Ukrainians who fear Western cooperation with Moscow could lead to a weakening in support for Ukraine. Others hope that a distracted Russia, fighting on two fronts, may be more inclined to compromise over the rebel-held regions in the country’s east.



Many analysts in Kiev say Moscow's operation in Syria is a significant shift that has already been felt in Ukraine. As Russia began its Syria deployment (http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Europe/2015/0911/Russia-in-Syria-Ghosts-of-Afghanistan-may-limit-Kremlin-s-options-now) a month ago the guns in eastern Ukraine, where Russia-backed rebels formed breakaway republics in spring 2014, suddenly fell silent. While many welcome the cease-fire, they are concerned about what could emerge from backroom talks between Russia and the West over Syria's war, given the high stakes in the Middle East.
"This truce, which seems to be accompanied by a more constructive Russian position, makes people here wonder whether the West isn't wavering in its support for Ukraine in order to obtain Russian cooperation in Syria," says Vadim Karasyov, director of the independent Institute of Global Strategies in Kiev. "There is still hope that this won't happen. But Ukrainians are very concerned."
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When Russian President Vladimir Putin took to the podium on Monday at the United Nations General Assembly to make his pitch (http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Europe/2015/0928/At-UN-Putin-talks-tough-against-IS.-Will-the-West-work-with-him-video) for a grand anti-terrorist alliance in Syria, the Ukrainian delegation walked out.
President Petro Poroshenko spoke the next day at the same podium. "Over the last few days we have heard conciliatory statements from the Russian side in which, in particular, it called for the establishment of anti-terrorist coalition," he said (http://www.president.gov.ua/en/news/vistup-prezidenta-ukrayini-na-zagalnih-debatah-70-yi-sesiyi-36057). "Cool story, but really hardly to believe! How can you urge an anti-terrorist coalition – if you inspire terrorism right in front of your door?"
Vladimir Panchenko, a political expert with the International Center for Policy Studies in Kiev, says that a lot of Ukrainians agree with the need for an alliance to counter the spread of jihadism in the Middle East, but differ over what Russia's involvement means for their country.
"Maybe the more Russia gets dragged into it, the more problems it will have," he says. "But everybody here thinks there is already cooperation happening between Russia and the West in Syria, and that this is not going to turn out in Ukraine's favor."
PEACE TALKS CONTINUE
On Friday, leaders of the four powers that framed the Minsk-II peace accord (http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Europe/2015/0212/Kiev-rebels-sign-cease-fire-but-Ukraine-s-path-to-peace-remains-steep-video) for eastern Ukraine – Ukraine, Russia, Germany, and France – will meet in Paris to chart the accord's final implementation. The 12-point deal calls for military disengagement and steps to resolve the contested status of the rebel-controlled regions.
Russia has already indicated that it will prod its rebel allies to accept a new deal with Kiev based on regional autonomy in a decentralized Ukraine. Meanwhile, Western leaders seem more willing to urge Kiev to hold direct talks with rebel representatives, offer amnesty for separatist fighters, and restore economic links with the breakaway regions.
Earlier this week the two sides agreed on a comprehensive pull back (http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/09/30/us-ukraine-crisis-separatists-idUSKCN0RU27Y20150930) of weaponry from the conflict's front line, a deal one rebel leader said "could mean the end of the war."
"There is certain progress in east Ukraine, but Russia still maintains all its levers of influence there," says Valery Ryabikh, an expert with Defense Express, a Kiev think tank. “Ukraine is a hostage to the situation as Russia moves into this new relationship with the West in Syria.”
Dmitry Posrednikov, deputy dean of Donetsk University, which lies in the rebel-held east, says residents there are hopeful that the Russian incursion in Syria will yield a better result for them at the peace talks. There is also local pride in Russia's actions, he adds.
"It's clear that US policy has been a complete failure, both in Ukraine and in the Middle East, and now global leadership is passing to Russia,” he says. “The West has to work with Russia in Syria, because they can't solve the problems alone.”
Mr. Posrednikov says that the war in Ukraine has probably passed the point where either side can believe in victory, and that some kind of peace settlement is inevitable.
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mick silver
1st October 2015, 05:19 PM
Putin Just Made the Most Important Speech of His Career. The West Should Listen More CloselyWhat he really wants are stability, rules, and a global balance of power - traditional conservative ideas. He thinks the rest of the world needs to rein-in out-of-control US global activism.http://russia-insider.com/en/politics_ukraine_opinion/2014/11/04/02-02-43pm/putin_just_made_most_important_speech_his_career_w est

midnight rambler
1st October 2015, 05:22 PM
Putin Just Made the Most Important Speech of His Career. The West Should Listen More Closely

What he really wants are stability, rules, and a global balance of power - traditional conservative ideas. He thinks the rest of the world needs to rein-in out-of-control US global activism.http://russia-insider.com/en/politics_ukraine_opinion/2014/11/04/02-02-43pm/putin_just_made_most_important_speech_his_career_w est

No time to pay attention to that shit, we got a mass shooting happening!

mick silver
1st October 2015, 05:28 PM
McCain: Putin Supporting a "Butcher" in Syria, Rolls Out "Barrel Bomb" Theme (Video)http://russia-insider.com/en/politics/mccain-putin-supporting-butcher-syria-rolls-out-barrel-bomb-theme-video/ri9958