War crime: Hospital bombed in Kunduz, Afghanistan with 'precision'

[midnight rambler]

So who controls the skies in Afghanistan?

http://www.rt.com/news/317542-kunduz-hospital-bombing-msf/

[gunDriller]

What US-authored mass murder ?


I was busy being distracted by the mass murder in Oregon.

[midnight rambler]

The Fox Nooz version relates it wasn't a bombing, it was an air strike by an AC-130 Spectre, they're always making up some excuse for 'collateral damage' -

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2015/10/03/3-doctors-without-borders-members-killed-in-us-airstrikes-in-afghanistan/

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[Down1]

More dead in Kunduz than Oregon, but whatever.

[midnight rambler]

More dead in Kunduz than Oregon, but whatever.

Surely you appreciate that American lives are 'exceptional'. /s

[mick silver]

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Kabul (AFP) - Medical charity MSF said Sunday it had shut down operations in the Afghan city of Kunduz after an apparent US bombing raid on its hospital, demanding an independent investigation into what it labelled a war crime.
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Doctors Without Borders (MSF) said 22 people were killed, some of whom burned to death in their beds as the bombardment continued for more than an hour early Saturday, even after US and Afghan authorities were informed the hospital had been hit.
"Under the clear presumption that a war crime has been committed, MSF demands that a full and transparent investigation into the event be conducted by an independent international body," MSF general director Christopher Stokes said.
Stokes also hit out at claims by Afghan officials that insurgents were using the hospital building as a position to target Afghan forces and civilians.
"These statements imply that Afghan and US forces working together decided to raze to the ground a fully functioning hospital with more than 180 staff and patients inside because they claim that members of the Taliban were present," he said.
"This amounts to an admission of a war crime. This utterly contradicts the initial attempts of the US government to minimise the attack as 'collateral damage.'"
MSF, which stands for Medecins Sans Frontieres in French, has denied any combatants were present in the facility.
The group said Afghan and coalition troops were fully aware of the exact location of the hospital, having been given GPS co-ordinates of a facility which had been providing care for four years.
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(http://news.yahoo.com/photos/afghan-vendors-roadside-shops-kunduz-october-4-2015-photo-105212360.html)Afghan vendors at roadside shops in Kunduz on October 4, 2015, as Afghan forces, backed up by their …

It added that despite frantic calls to military officials in Kabul and Washington, the main building housing the intensive care unit and emergency rooms was "repeatedly, very precisely" hit almost every 15 minutes for more than an hour.
It is the only medical facility in the whole northeastern region of Afghanistan that can deal with major war injuries. Its closure, even temporarily, could have a devastating impact on local civilians.
"The MSF hospital is not functional anymore. All critical patients have been referred to other health facilities and no MSF staff are working in our hospital," Kate Stegeman, a spokeswoman for the charity, told AFP.
Stegeman said she could not confirm whether the trauma centre will reopen.
MSF said some 105 patients and their caregivers, as well as more than 80 international and local MSF staff, were in the hospital at the time of the bombing.
"The bombs hit and then we heard the plane circle round," said Heman Nagarathnam, MSF's head of programmes in northern Afghanistan.
"There was a pause, and then more bombs hit. This happened again and again. When I made it out from the office, the main hospital building was engulfed in flames.
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(http://news.yahoo.com/photos/photograph-released-medecins-sans-frontieres-msf-october-3-photo-153142440.html)Wreckage smoulders in part of the MSF hospital in Kunduz on October 3, 2015 after it was hit by an a …

"Those people that could had moved quickly to the building’s two bunkers to seek safety. But patients who were unable to escape burned to death as they lay in their beds."
The hospital's main building was completely gutted and some bodies of those trapped inside were charred beyond recognition.
The dead included 12 MSF staff and 10 patients, among them three children.
- 'Tragic incident' -
US President Barack Obama offered his "deepest condolences" for what he called a "tragic incident".
"The Department of Defense has launched a full investigation, and we will await the results of that inquiry before making a definitive judgement as to the circumstances of this tragedy," Obama said.
But MSF's stokes said: "Relying only on an internal investigation by a party to the conflict would be wholly insufficient."
NATO earlier conceded US forces may have been behind the bombing, after they launched a strike which they said was intended to target militants.
The incident has renewed concerns about the use of US air strikes in Afghanistan, a deeply contentious issue in the 14-year campaign against Taliban insurgents.
UN rights chief Zeid Ra'ad Al Hussein earlier also called for a full and transparent probe, noting: "An air strike on a hospital may amount to a war crime."
"This event is utterly tragic, inexcusable and possibly even criminal," he said.
The air raid came five days after Taliban fighters seized control of the strategic northern city of Kunduz, in their most spectacular victory since being toppled from power by a US-led coalition in 2001.
Afghan forces, backed up by their NATO allies, claim to have wrestled back control of the city.
MSF's withdrawal from Kunduz comes as the region grapples with a humanitarian crisis, with food and medicine shortages affecting thousands of civilians caught in the crossfire between government forces and insurgents.
At least 60 people are known to have died and 400 to have been wounded in the past week's fighting.


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[midnight rambler]

The Death Cult considers something like this to be a HUGE success.


US President Barack Obama offered his "deepest condolences" for what he called a "tragic incident".

And that's the very last thing anyone is going to hear the Communist Kenyan say about this.

[cheka.]

doctors w/o borders = questionable org....suspected of organ harvesting for the duals

[midnight rambler]

doctors w/o borders = questionable org....suspected of organ harvesting for the duals

I understand, however this WAS an airstrike on a bona fide hospital.

[ShortJohnSilver]

Isn't the AC-130 Spectre the flying gun that "can precisely put a round in every square yard of a football sized field" or even better than that? It also has both a 30mm cannon and a 105mm howitzer and all the electronics to accurately fire them while flying in the air...

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2011/09/19/the-blaze-profiles-the-air-forces-ac-130-gunship/

So was it really an accident?

[Neuro]

doctors w/o borders = questionable org....suspected of organ harvesting for the duals
That should have offered them some serious protection... Must have been a mistake then!

[mick silver]

I wonder if someone on the ground put a laser on the place so it could be hit

[mick silver]

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WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Afghan forces asked for U.S. air support while fighting the Taliban in Kunduz shortly before an air strike resulted in the deaths of civilians there, the American commander of international forces in Afghanistan said on Monday.
U.S. Army General John Campbell fell short of squarely acknowledging U.S. responsibility for an air strike that killed 22 people in an Afghan hospital run by aid group Medecins Sans Frontieres (MSF) on Saturday.
MSF reiterated its call for an independent investigation into the incident, though the White House said on Monday it was confident ongoing probes by the U.S. military, NATO, and Afghan security officials would provide a full account of the circumstances surrounding the strike.
Campbell said U.S. forces were not under direct fire in the incident and the air strike had not been called on their behalf, contrary to previous statements from the U.S. military.
"We have now learned that on October 3 Afghan forces advised that they were taking fire from enemy positions and asked for air support from U.S. forces," Campbell said in a briefing with reporters. "An air strike was then called to eliminate the Taliban threat, and several civilians were accidentally struck."
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In a statement on Monday, MSF General Director Christopher Stokes said Campbell's comments amounted to trying to pass responsibility for the strike to the Afghan government.
"The reality is the U.S. dropped those bombs," the statement said. "The U.S. hit a huge hospital full of wounded patients and MSF staff. The U.S. military remains responsible for the targets it hits, even though it is part of a coalition. There can be no justification for this horrible attack."
U.S. Army Brigadier General Richard Kim is the senior investigator on the incident and is in Kunduz now, Campbell said. The White House said NATO will also conduct its own investigation, in addition to a third, joint probe by the U.S. military and Afghan security officials.
"If errors were committed, we'll acknowledge them," Campbell said. "We'll hold those responsible accountable, and we'll take steps to ensure mistakes are not repeated."
Responding to earlier calls by MSF for an international probe, Campbell did not close the door to an outside investigation.
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"If there's other investigations out there that need to go on, I'll make sure that we coordinate those as well," Campbell said.
White House spokesman Josh Earnest said on Monday that President Barack Obama has confidence in the three investigations to provide a "full accounting."
"His expectation is that details won't be...whitewashed...so that if it's necessary to take steps to prevent something like this from ever happening again, that those reforms are implemented promptly and effectively," Earnest said.
Campbell declined to comment on whether the United States had called a pause to air strikes, but said he had not suspended "train, advise, and assist" support from U.S. forces to the Afghans.
Campbell said he expected a preliminary report on the incident "very shortly, in the next couple of days."
(Additional reporting by Julia Edwards and Roberta Rampton in Washington; Editing by Bill Trott, Jonathan Oatis and Chizu Nomiyama)

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On one hand, the United States is being accused of being too scared of civilian casualties (http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2015/06/26/pentagon-scrambles-to-explain-iraqi-civilian-deaths-in-anti-isis-hawija-bombing) to take the fight to the Islamic State in Syria and Iraq.
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On the other, the US is being accused of razing a hospital in Kunduz, Afghanistan, killing 19 – including three children – and even continuing the attack for 30 minutes (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/afghanistan/11909123/Kunduz-Nato-investigates-whether-US-air-strike-hit-hospital-latest.html) after being told what the building was.
Though the picture from Afghanistan is incomplete and shifting, both statements appear to be true. They point to how, in the ambiguous realm of counterinsurgency in unfamiliar foreign lands, the line between waging war with a modicum of morality and committing what could be a war crime is remarkably thin.
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At least three investigations into the Kunduz attack have been promised, and the aid group that ran the hospital, Doctors Without Borders, has been relentless in demanding answers. But more broadly, the episode raises new and pressing questions about how an airstrike could go so horribly wrong at a time when the stated goal of the Obama administration is zero civilian casualties.
Recent examples show how hard that goal is to attain for any country trying to wage an effective air campaign.
In June, a US airstrike destroyed an Iraqi factory building bombs for the Islamic State – and in the process "flattened an entire neighborhood," killing 70, including civilians, Reuters reported (http://uk.reuters.com/article/2015/06/04/uk-mideast-crisis-idUKKBN0OK27A20150604). In January, a Canadian jet killed between six and 27 civilians in Iraq – but Canadian authorities "felt no obligation under the Geneva Conventions to probe what happened," the Toronto Globe and Mail reported (http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/pentagon-records-shed-light-on-iraq-airstrike-allegations-against-canadian-pilots/article26206766/). Meanwhile, Saudi airstrikes killed at least 364 civilians in Yemen during the first three weeks of an air campaign against rebel militias earlier this year, according to United Nations statistics (http://www.latimes.com/world/middleeast/la-fg-us-saudis-20150417-story.html).
The US has won praise from advocacy groups for its attempts to limit civilian casualties in airstrikes against the Islamic State. “The US has indeed put in place rigorous policies and procedures to minimize civilian harm,” Federico Borello, executive director of the Center for Civilians in Conflict, told The New York Times (http://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/27/world/middleeast/with-isis-in-crosshairs-us-holds-back-to-protect-civilians.html?_r=0).
Yet in the fight against the Islamic State and the Taliban, the pressure for results is keen. Billions of dollars and thousands of lives have been lost, and yet the Taliban still took Kunduz from Afghan forces last week, and the Islamic State only gains more recruits (http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/27/world/middleeast/thousands-enter-syria-to-join-isis-despite-global-efforts.html).
Noting that as much as three-quarters of American warplanes sent on sorties against the Islamic State return without having dropped a bomb, GOP Sen. John McCain told The Hill (http://thehill.com/policy/defense/policy-strategy/245932-us-aims-for-zero-civilian-casualties-in-war-vs-isis) that such an excess of caution "is insane," adding that “the air campaign is totally ineffectual.”
Former Pentagon official Michèle Flournoy, once tipped to be Defense secretary, wrote in The Washington Post (http://www.oregonlive.com/opinion/index.ssf/2015/06/go_big_to_destroy_the_islamic.html) that the air campaign in Iraq and Syria should be intensified, with "forward air controllers to call in close air support."
Over the weekend, Defense officials said US troops deployed in Kunduz had made the call for the airstrike. On Monday, however, the Pentagon's top officer contradicted those reports and said Afghan troops had called for the airstrike after taking fire from the building – a claim Doctors Without Borders rejects emphatically.
The Pentagon's admission could raise questions about the reliability of coalition partners.
Afghan special forces had had a run-in with Doctors Without Borders in July, raiding the hospital in contravention of international law when they learned that an Al Qaeda operative was being treated there. They objected to the aid group's promise to give care to any who need it.
Indeed, as fighting around Kunduz between the Taliban and Afghan security forces intensified in recent months, Doctors Without Borders remained, even increasing its number of beds. When a local man had to care for two men injured in the fighting, he told the Los Angeles Times (http://www.latimes.com/world/afghanistan-pakistan/la-fg-doctors-without-borders-20151004-story.html): “It's the name everyone in the north knows, so I thought they would be in good hands there.”
After the airstrike, Doctors Without Borders left Kunduz.
Afghan officials, often eager to condemn the US for civilian casualties, have instead been supportive. In war, “you have two choices: either continue operations to clean up, and that might involve attacks in public places, or you just let the Taliban control," an Afghan member of parliament, Fawzia Koofi, told The Washington Post (https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/afghan-official-hospital-in-airstrike-was-a-taliban-base/2015/10/04/8638af58-6a47-11e5-bdb6-6861f4521205_story.html).
Doctors Without Borders objected to this line of reasoning.
In a statement, the group said it "is disgusted by the recent statements coming from some Afghanistan government authorities justifying the attack on its hospital in Kunduz. These statements imply that Afghan and US forces working together decided to raze to the ground a fully functioning hospital with more than 180 staff and patients inside because they claim that members of the Taliban were present. This amounts to an admission of a war crime."
War crimes include attacking "buildings dedicated to ... charitable purposes ..., provided they are not military objectives," according to the Red Cross.
Doctors Without Borders adds that it has repeatedly given the coordinates of the building to military officials to avoid such a tragedy. It says it contacted officials during the middle of the hourlong strike to ask for the attack to be called off. Now, it is asking for an independent investigation.
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Pentagram now trying to silence victims' relatives with 'condolence payments'.

http://www.latimes.com/world/afghanistan-pakistan/la-fg-pentagon-to-make-condolence-payments-to-families-of-victims-in-kunduz-attack-20151010-story.html

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Pentagram now trying to silence victims' relatives with 'condolence payments'.

http://www.latimes.com/world/afghanistan-pakistan/la-fg-pentagon-to-make-condolence-payments-to-families-of-victims-in-kunduz-attack-20151010-story.html

Minuscule price to pay.

[midnight rambler]

Minuscule price to pay.

Yeah, a real bargain...for the Pentagram.

[Cebu_4_2]

Going to cost less then a single bomb.

[cheka.]

I understand, however this WAS an airstrike on a bona fide hospital.

except the massive media coverage....now dc going to fork out bucks to the victims

no doubt dual infested organ harvesting op

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/08/world/asia/obama-apologizes-for-bombing-of-afghanistan-hospital.html?_r=0

Obama Issues Rare Apology Over Bombing of Doctors Without Borders Hospital in Afghanistan

http://www.latimes.com/world/afghanistan-pakistan/la-fg-pentagon-to-make-condolence-payments-to-families-of-victims-in-kunduz-attack-20151010-story.html

Pentagon to make 'condolence payments' to families of victims in Kunduz attack

yup....6 million

[cheka.]

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3012640/

Bernard Kouchner—Founder of Doctors Without Borders

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2008205/posts

Bernard Kouchner Involved In Albanian Organ Market

[Neuro]

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3012640/

Bernard Kouchner—Founder of Doctors Without Borders

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2008205/posts

Bernard Kouchner Involved In Albanian Organ Market
It is nothing but hearsay from a persona we don't know anything about. Without any corroborating evidence this is worthless...

[Dogman]

It is nothing but hearsay from a persona we don't know anything about. Without any corroborating evidence this is worthless...

Hope you have a bailout plan, the smelly stuff may impinge on a rotating blade device in turkey.

Sent from my Nexus 7

[cheka.]

It is nothing but hearsay from a persona we don't know anything about. Without any corroborating evidence this is worthless...

there are many pieces of evidence that show what they do

on this event why do you think the nyc media is screeching it so loud? why is obomba groveling? why is dc jumping to take money from us to give to them?

[Neuro]

there are many pieces of evidence that show what they do

on this event why do you think the nyc media is screeching it so loud? why is obomba groveling? why is dc jumping to take money from us to give to them?
None of it is evidence that Kouchner has been involved in harvesting organs in Albania. This internet personas claims are even less worth than the conflicting eye witness accounts of the holocaust "death camps" during the 2nd world war.