The Milk is good for bones scam

[singular_me]

As a raw foodist, the first thing I learned 20 years ago is that dairies are bad. All these cows (100's of 1000s) that would have to be slaughtered if this scam became mainstream... what speculation does to nature is just hellish.
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Research Disproves Dairy Industry’s Claim That Milk Makes Bones Stronger

Marco Torres, Prevent Disease


The dairy industry has finally been given one big swift kick where they need it most, in the scientific credibility department where top officials have been falsely linking dairy and bone strength for decades. The study, published by the British Medical Journal, found that people don’t get stronger bones by eating dairy products or taking calcium supplements.

Dairy products, specifically milk is one of the beverages still aggressively pushed on children as a health promoting food, especially relating to strong bones.

What interesting about cow’s milk is that the more people drink, the more likely they are to die or experience a bone fracture and other diseases. The risks are especially pronounced for women.

Taking into account studies from around the world, the systematic review and meta-analysis found that those who took calcium were just as likely to suffer from fractures as those who did not.

Dr Ian Reid from the University of Auckland in New Zealand stated that the focus on treating bone diseases, such as osteoporosis, needs to be elsewhere.”I think we’ve actually misdirected a whole lot of effort into the use of calcium supplements, in particular in North America, where use has been higher for last 30 years,” he said.

The dairy industy has been hard at work the last 50 years convincing people that pasteurized dairy products such as milk or cheese increases bioavailable calcium levels. This is totally false. The pasteurization process only creates calcium carbonate, which has absolutely no way of entering the cells without a chelating agent. So what the body does is pull the calcium from the bones and other tissues in order to buffer the calcium carbonate in the blood. This process actually causes osteoporosis.

MORE
http://preventdisease.com/news/15/100515_Dairy-Products-Calcium-Supplements-Do-Not-Make-Bones-Stronger.shtml


New Research Casts Doubt on Pasteurization Techniques For Milk
http://preventdisease.com/news/12/072312_New-Research-Casts-Doubt-on-Pasteurization-Techniques-For-Milk.shtml

[aeondaze]

As a raw foodist

:rolleyes:


a growing body of scientific research supports the view that cooked vegetables are better -- depending on the preparation.

Cooked carrots, spinach, mushrooms, asparagus, cabbage, peppers and many other vegetables supply more cancer-fighting antioxidants than they do when raw, according to Rui Hai Liu, an associate professor of food science at Cornell University, in a report last year in Scientific American magazine.

Research also has shown that while some raw food may contain more nutrients, our bodies cannot absorb them.

Cooking releases nutrients locked away inside the food's cell walls, says Kristin Kirkpatrick, a registered dietitian for the Cleveland Clinic's Lifestyle 180 program.

Take lycopene, an antioxidant thought to reduce the risk of certain cancers, especially prostate cancer, and guard against heart disease.

Lycopene is found in tomatoes and other red-tinged foods such as red bell pepper. But the nutrient is only released through cooking, which breaks down the cell walls of the plant.

Raw foodies could be missing out on this important nutrient. A British study of a group of strict raw-food eaters showed they had normal levels of vitamin A and relatively high levels of beta carotene, but low levels of lycopene in their blood.

Another example is lutein, an antioxidant found in corn and dark-green leafy vegetables such as spinach and kale. Lutein protects the eyes against age-related macular degeneration, the leading cause of blindness. Cooking helps to release the lutein in corn, Farmer-Dziak says.

Raw food is a dupe. We've been cooking our food for millions of years for a good reason...:D

[singular_me]

stick to the OP aeon, and indeed the latter proves that what I was told about milk was/is correct .. another scam by your fellow scientists... so why would they be correct about raw food then ;D

here is the idea, go strictly raw for 2-3 weeks than comment on it, EXPERIENCE it yourself.



:rolleyes:
Raw food is a dupe. We've been cooking our food for millions of years for a good reason...:D

[EE_]

Did you ever try eating cookies and water or put water on a bowl of cereal?

I like milk!

I drink this one in 2%

http://fairlife.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/FAQ-header-1058x595.jpg

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superior-nutrition

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http://fairlife.com/

[palani]

Reading comprehension, my dear.


The pasteurization process only creates calcium carbonate, which has absolutely no way of entering the cells without a chelating agent.

It is the pasteurization process that creates the problem. Raw milk ... no problemo.

Pasteurization also kills bacteria that might prove helpful to the gut. 'Course with raw milk you have to have some idea that the farmer knows what he is doing. Mastitis teats need to be treated and not simply added to the blend. With grade A filtering and proper cleaning methods must be followed to keep unsanitary conditions from developing.

[singular_me]

raw milk is for sure better... but logically milk is for babies, there are no species that drinks milk after they the few first months/years of their lives - and especially not which of another species.

Maybe human milk would be ideal if one really likes milk that much. When I was breast feeding my son, I used to drink 1 cup of my own milk daily as I found it delicious ;D However due to my raw food diet, I have become kinda lactose intolerant, every time I consume dairies, I get bloated.

actually there is a market for human milk, finding women who eat organic foods and breast feed might be of a challenge though.

Liquid Gold: The Booming Market for Human Breast Milk (2011)
http://www.wired.com/2011/05/ff_milk/

more
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=human+milk+for+sale&pia=images




Reading comprehension, my dear.



It is the pasteurization process that creates the problem. Raw milk ... no problemo.

Pasteurization also kills bacteria that might prove helpful to the gut. 'Course with raw milk you have to have some idea that the farmer knows what he is doing. Mastitis teats need to be treated and not simply added to the blend. With grade A filtering and proper cleaning methods must be followed to keep unsanitary conditions from developing.

[Santa]

I imagine in the future there will be FDA approved organic human milk farms supplying the Super Walmarts everywhere. :o

[singular_me]

reminds me of animal farm... more sellers than buyers


Selling Breast Milk (9469)

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Discount $1.00 or less (437)
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Willing to Sell to Men (1185)
http://www.onlythebreast.com/



I imagine in the future there will be FDA approved organic human milk farms supplying the Super Walmarts everywhere. :o

[Glass]

Everyone should switch to nutritious malk.

http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/simpsons/images/3/3c/Malk.jpg

[Santa]

Strawberry flavored breast milk drawn daily from fresh rosy cheeked milk maids at your local grocer's dairy section. Mmmm Mmmmph...

Our girls are fed on only plump sweet juicy strawberries, then rushed to the pumping machines where they are milked by professionals.

Try our Suckling Strawberry Ice Cream bars too. They're dreamy.

[ShortJohnSilver]

OK first off, Fairlife = POISON CRAP! Go read the ingredients for their chocolate milk, it has aspartame in it IIRC.

Fairlife is owned by Coca-Cola I believe - basically they are making tons of money by advertising it, not only to get regular people to buy it, but, for EBT/SNAP buyers who are less price-sensitive.

Second, I have had very good results not with milk drinking, but, Greek yogurt (high protein) and kefir, both of which are fermented. The lacto-fermentation makes it better for your body.

Third, if you want lots of vitamins and minerals - eat a ribeye steak! The fat in the steak will aid absorption. My simple way to prepare is to grind some salt, sprinkle it over the top, add a capful or less of extra virgin olive oil, and add rosemary or "Tuscan seasoning" from Costco, which is rosemary plus other herbs. Put in a toaster/convection oven for about 14 minutes at 400F, a little longer if you want it more than medium rare.

[Glass]

I was going to ask about diary like yoghurt. I have just started again with yoghurts. I'm eating mass junk I'm sure. I can't find the brand I was enjoying last year. Anyway I have noticed a dramatic improvement with stomach acid. Was becoming a serious and painful issue. A couple decent serves of yoghurt and things are much improved.

I drink some milk. Maybe about 2 litres a week. Full fat. I don't think there is any point drinking <2% milk. I also like to take a regular size glass of milk after exercise for a little extra fat burning while I'm cooling down. I think it does work.

I buy stuff produced by smaller independent dairies. It's real milk not the reconstituted stuff the big guys sell. It still pasteurized though. Its a long haul for raw milk. Can be gotten but it's labelled as a beauty treatment or something. Not For Human Consumption.

[Shami-Amourae]

I'm allergic to pasteurized milk, but have no reaction to raw milk.

Raw milk has a live enzyme in it called lactase.

Lactase breaks down lactose in milk which the human body isn't able to do without lactase.

You can buy lactase supplements to reduce negative reactions to milk:
http://www.amazon.com/Kirkland-Signature-Acting-Lactase-Caplets/dp/B000HI0CKS

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/918c5c3WDdL._SY679_.jpg

[Neuro]

Raw milk tastes fantastic. I don't drink pasteurized milk!

[palani]

Raw milk tastes fantastic. I don't drink pasteurized milk!

Guy who does my dozing is from Wisconsin. He was raised on raw milk (as was I). On a trip back he went to the farm he used to get it at. The farmer told him he could sell him some milk right from the bulk tank but he wouldn't like it. For some reason or other raw milk has an off taste until it becomes pasteurized.

We used to feed our cows hay, corn and hay silage along with ground corn and oats. I don't know what they are feeding the animals these days to make off-flavored milk. A guy 20 miles from here feeds his beef cows left-over material from the furfural process (corn cobs, oat hulls, sulfuric acid and water ... fermented then distilled .. he gets the left over solids). But then we have heard that when he sends a load of fat cows to the processing plant he has to do it on a Friday afternoon 'cause they have to close the plant right after that and disinfect it ... his meat smells so bad.

This same farmer was said to have killed three bulls by feeding them leftover gummy bears. He gets loads of bad chocolate from Chicago and uses it on the surface of his ground silos to seal the air from the silage.

[Neuro]

Guy who does my dozing is from Wisconsin. He was raised on raw milk (as was I). On a trip back he went to the farm he used to get it at. The farmer told him he could sell him some milk right from the bulk tank but he wouldn't like it. For some reason or other raw milk has an off taste until it becomes pasteurized.

We used to feed our cows hay, corn and hay silage along with ground corn and oats. I don't know what they are feeding the animals these days to make off-flavored milk. A guy 20 miles from here feeds his beef cows left-over material from the furfural process (corn cobs, oat hulls, sulfuric acid and water ... fermented then distilled .. he gets the left over solids). But then we have heard that when he sends a load of fat cows to the processing plant he has to do it on a Friday afternoon 'cause they have to close the plant right after that and disinfect it ... his meat smells so bad.

This same farmer was said to have killed three bulls by feeding them leftover gummy bears. He gets loads of bad chocolate from Chicago and uses it on the surface of his ground silos to seal the air from the silage.
Well at least it's cheap! ;)

[singular_me]

last nail in the coffin... that is. IMHO

if after watching this, you still wanna drink milk, buy it at a local farmer not into the milk business


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UcN7SGGoCNI&feature=share

[Cebu_4_2]

My sentiments exactly.

[palani]

The truth about milk is ... if there was nobody consuming it ... there would be no cows ... because .... cow flatulence causes global warming.

As nasty as city people view the 'industry' ... the plain truth is .... cows eat grass and PEOPLE DON'T.

[Cebu_4_2]

the plain truth is .... cows eat grass and PEOPLE DON'T.

I smoke grass... that count?

[singular_me]

if after watching this you still want to eat eggs, raise your own non genetically manipulated chickens or buy your eggs from somebody aware of this

this woman has an interesting channel by the way



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=utPkDP3T7R4

[palani]

I smoke grass... that count?
The purpose of life is to create life.

I don't know that the grass you smoke has anything to do with creating life so suspect it has more to do with death.

[Cebu_4_2]

The purpose of life is to create life.

I don't know that the grass you smoke has anything to do with creating life so suspect it has more to do with death.

I created life while/during/after smoking grass. I also save the seeds for the next season so I believe it is procreating life on both principle and dual species.

[Neuro]

The purpose of life is to create life.

I don't know that the grass you smoke has anything to do with creating life so suspect it has more to do with death.
Life is just the long slow and painful process of dying, a sexually transmitted disease with 100% mortality and ultimately responsible for all morbidity. Happy New Year Palani!

[mick silver]

I drink a glass are two every day , but I bet the one's that hate milk pour down the pops

[singular_me]

The purpose of life is to create life. (more peace)

VERSUS

Life is just the long slow and painful process of dying (more wars)

[singular_me]

scam that is falling apart, one step at the time. the problem, I fear will be that a massive milk cow slaughter is now on the agenda, since they are going to lose their value as commodities. Thanks to speculation


Health
How The Dairy Industry Tricked Humans Into Believing They Need Milk
By Waking Times Media
Posted on June 1, 2016

3.3k 100

Amanda Froelich, True Activist
Waking Times Media

Despite the fact that one can get their daily recommendation of calcium, potassium, and protein from fruits and vegetables, the dairy industry has spent billions of dollars to convince consumers otherwise.

Got Milk? We sure hope not. Despite being a somewhat tasty addition to coffee, tea, and delectable treats, the ingredient – when pasteurized – is highly toxic to the human body. In fact, physicians such as Dr. Willet, who has conducted many studies and reviewed the research on the topic, believe milk to be more of a detriment to the human body than an aid.

This is because despite popular belief, the food has never been shown to reduce fracture risk. In fact, according to the Nurses’ Health Study, dairy may increase risk of fractures by 50%! This concerning finding is supported by the fact that countries with lowest rates of dairy and calcium consumption (like those in Africa and Asia) have the lowest rates of osteoporosis.

Considering that approximately 3/4 of the world’s population is unable to digest milk and other dairy products, it seems clear the food is not an ideal substance for consumption. However, the average consumer doesn’t know this. From celebrity endorsements to advertisements by the dairy industry, most have been taught to believe that dairy is an ideal food for optimum health.

Because there’s so much misinformation surrounding the subject, Vox recently created a video which illustrates the facade of the dairy industry. One of the points made is that despite the fact that consumers can get the daily recommendation of calcium, potassium, and protein from fruits and vegetables, the dairy industry has spent billions of dollars to convince the populace otherwise.

If you were taught that one must drink milk to grow up “big and strong,” you’re not alone. However, now is the time to get educated on the facts.

Because milk is very mucus-forming in the human body, it is believed to contribute to allergies, ear infections, Type 1 diabetes, anemia, and even constipation. In addition, the food may contribute to various types of cancers as consumption of the product increases the body’s level of insulin-like growth factor-1 (IGF-1).

The good news is that there are plenty of tasty, creamy dairy alternatives that are not only easy-to-make, they’re affordable. ‘Milks’ from rice, almonds, cashew, hemp, and even coconut can be found in most grocery stores, and some companies even sell dairy-free ice cream – such as Ben & Jerry’s! In fact, the non-dairy milk market has surged within the past few years. Almond milk sales, in particular, have increased by 250 percent from 2000-2015 to almost $895 million.

Is it time to ditch dairy?

http://wakingtimesmedia.com/how-the-dairy-tricked-humans/


How big government helps big dairy sell milk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XRCj8LVTRyA

[Bigjon]

singeluramoron

[Glass]

yeah I think the consumption of milk was around long before there was an industry.

Babies drink it. Sure your mom doesn't want you hanging off her teat your whole life. And Milk for bones is not the only reason milk is collected and sold. I don't think I've drunk milk for bones since I stopped listening to my mother at about age 10.

Milk is interesting in that it has both protein and whey in it. So it's got muscle building components and fat burning components.

Problem is, is milk really milk? It's cooked, separated, reconstituted, frozen, defrosted, blended with some parts coming from yesterdays collection and some parts from collections of 12 months ago.

Ben and Jerrys making icecream without milk is nothing to trumpet about. We know people like that are the masters of substitution natural for unnatural. They do it with everything they can. Natural alcohol substituted with industrial volatile spirits such as beer and whiskey. Cheese made from silicone.

I drink full cream milk after exercise for the whey obtained from independent dairies and I use it on cereals and in coffee. I wouldn't substitute that for soy and especially not if a woman.

It reminds me of the great foot and mouth scam in the UK back in the 80's or 90's. A corporate beef producer got together with his secret handshake government and media buddies and put out a story that foot and mouth was running around the country side. All locations affected were independent farmers and no cross contamination was possible because the sites were separated by hundred of miles and no livestock had moved between them. Govt came in, slaughtered all the farmers stock and drove the farmers into poverty. Got rid of the competition and scored some cheap land into the bargain.

[singular_me]

try to debunk instead... always the same, shoot the messenger tactic is NWO inspired



singeluramoron

[singular_me]

raw milk is definitely better but being lactose intolerant is nothing new. Even when I drink raw milk, I have myself a bloated stomach for hours. I digest much better raw goat milk

moreover, it is correct to say that milk is not a necessity as we find similar nutrients in other foods.

this vid doesnt suggest soy milk. But I find organic coconut/cashew milks very tasty

I still think cow milk is a scam overall that had led the milk industry to OVERproduce as it is now a cartel, what the vid explains. And where there is a cartel there are special interest$, and thus a FRAUD. the USDA guidelines cannot be trusted, thats a fact.

Just like meat eating, 1-2lbs weekly are/is more than enough. Billions of animals are unnecessarily slaughtered.



yeah I think the consumption of milk was around long before there was an industry.

Babies drink it. Sure your mom doesn't want you hanging off her teat your whole life. And Milk for bones is not the only reason milk is collected and sold. I don't think I've drunk milk for bones since I stopped listening to my mother at about age 10.

Milk is interesting in that it has both protein and whey in it. So it's got muscle building components and fat burning components.

Problem is, is milk really milk? It's cooked, separated, reconstituted, frozen, defrosted, blended with some parts coming from yesterdays collection and some parts from collections of 12 months ago.

Ben and Jerrys making icecream without milk is nothing to trumpet about. We know people like that are the masters of substitution natural for unnatural. They do it with everything they can. Natural alcohol substituted with industrial volatile spirits such as beer and whiskey. Cheese made from silicone.

I drink full cream milk after exercise for the whey obtained from independent dairies and I use it on cereals and in coffee. I wouldn't substitute that for soy and especially not if a woman.

It reminds me of the great foot and mouth scam in the UK back in the 80's or 90's. A corporate beef producer got together with his secret handshake government and media buddies and put out a story that foot and mouth was running around the country side. All locations affected were independent farmers and no cross contamination was possible because the sites were separated by hundred of miles and no livestock had moved between them. Govt came in, slaughtered all the farmers stock and drove the farmers into poverty. Got rid of the competition and scored some cheap land into the bargain.

[Dogman]

I drink a glass are two every day , but I bet the one's that hate milk pour down the pops Love that stuff, drink between 3-5 gallons a week as cold as I can get it. There is also a dairy abt 40 miles from me that I sometimes go to get my unpasteurized full cream fresh milk from the cow fix, few bucks more than processed but highly worth it , and then pick up some of the real butter and cheese they make in house..

I know what those cows eat, have known that family for the better part of 40 years , good people, and

Good stuff !

[singular_me]

loving to drink it had little to do with the fact one find same nutrients in other foods.

people who love milk should go milk-free for 1 month and see how they feel without it before making an assessment, then compare.

but without dairies, feces expulsion is so much less stinky due to less fermentation in the intestine.

[Dogman]

loving to drink it had little to do with the fact one find same nutrients in other foods.

people who love milk should go milk-free for 1 month and see how they feel without it before making an assessment, then compare.

but without dairies, feces expulsion is so much less stinky due to less fermentation in the intestine

Taste, can not be substituted, ether for drinking or using it when cooking.

Period !

And I love my stinky craps, clears out the area so I can enjoy my solitude, ever notice how your own farts smell like lilacs of the field ?

But from others stink ?

Natures way to create personal space...LoL

;D

Do feel sad for the lactose intolerant types, their loss.

[Neuro]

However due to my raw food diet, I have become kinda lactose intolerant, every time I consume dairies, I get bloated.

Good reason not to start a raw food diet, I suppose...

[singular_me]

lol... raw food, raw milk... you have NO logic

especially when I say that I digest raw goat milk better

but as usual you go after me without thinking much (and same for dogman)

I dare you ALL go raw food for 2 weeks and FEEL it yourself. Until you have not done that, you cannot say anything about the raw diet.

raw food diet says that milk is only good by babies and new borns, discourages drinking milk from ANOTHER species. I have to agree, even when I drink goat milk, I know it is not good but love the taste.

in the best case scenario, humans should be drinking human milk (which has an almond hazelnut taste)


Good reason not to start a raw food diet, I suppose...

[Neuro]

lol... raw food, raw milk... you have NO logic

especially when I say that I digest raw goat milk better

but as usual you go after me without thinking much (and same for dogman)

I dare you ALL go raw food for 2 weeks and FEEL it yourself. Until you have not done that, you cannot say anything about the raw diet.

raw food diet says that milk is only good by babies and new borns, discourages drinking milk from ANOTHER species. I have to agree, even when I drink goat milk, I know it is not good but love the taste.

in the best case scenario, humans should be drinking human milk (which has an almond hazelnut taste)
Odd that your lactose intolerance allows you to drink goat milk, which has almost as much lactose as cows milk. Human milk have even more than cows milk. But I guess your bodies physiology is as biased as your mental faculties. As I said I don't drink pasteurized milk and very rarely raw milk. Apart from that there are good reasons to eat cooked food as outlined by Aeondaze's post earlier in this thread...

[Bigjon]

try to debunk instead... always the same, shoot the messenger tactic is NWO inspired

Arguing with a moron like you just drags me down where your vast experience reigns.

No cheese on your pizza, moron.

I'm a pure blooded Norsk and those of us from northern Europe seem to be suited to drinking milk raw or pasturized. I have loved it from childhood and drink 2 gallons of real milk (http://www.realmilk.com/) every week. I have stopped for a period of 6 months and it made no improvement of my health.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2DA_vbX_T1I


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2DA_vbX_T1I

If you are Asian or Arab or African or even southern European you probably can't tolerate milk.

[singular_me]

one cannot please and appeal everybody, and dont give a damn. So be it. ;D

and I do not care about the racial aspect here, biologically, milk is for new borns, toddlers (mammals).And there is a reason to this. BUT nonetheless if you wish to turn into a race issue, then the SCAM becomes really apparent (USDA recommending to every race). However I know blond caucasian types who are kinda allergic too, so what?

but you really should go raw and compare. Until I started the raw diet, I could drink milk without any problem. DNA?



Arguing with a moron like you just drags me down where your vast experience reigns.

No cheese on your pizza, moron.

I'm a pure blooded Norsk and those of us from northern Europe seem to be suited to drinking milk raw or pasturized. I have loved it from childhood and drink 2 gallons of real milk every week. I have stopped for a period of 6 months and it made no improvement of my health.

If you are Asian or Arab or African or even southern European you probably can't tolerate milk.

[singular_me]

debunk that there are other foods offering same nutrient found in the milk instead, because this us the bottom line of this thread. Billions of cows being tortured for the sake of a cartel, which you defend somehow.

I dont drink goat milk every day but once a month, and for some reason I am getting much less bloated than with raw cow milk. There must be because my enzymes react differently. With cow milk the bloating is almost immediate...

maybe because goat milk is a little closer to human milk than cow milk??? ??? I should investigate this. Some milks are more sharp than others.

raw food keeps all its nutrients, good bacteria, there are pros and cons in all diets, such as there is less food variety available to rawfoodists. But anybody going raw for 1 month is elated. Try it, then we talk again. Man has a LONG intestine, hence will do better with raw and low meat diet. Cooked food is only necessary when foods' freshness may not be that fresh anymore, or when climate is warm and there is no fridge for example. Just go spend some time with inuits/eskimos, they eat all raw meat most of the time if they observe a tribal lifestyle. Although eskmos and I dont have the same genes, how does it come that it works for me so good?

Aeon is no recommendation in my view. Did he ever talk of his research or papers he works on? Working for a cartel?



Odd that your lactose intolerance allows you to drink goat milk, which has almost as much lactose as cows milk. Human milk have even more than cows milk. But I guess your bodies physiology is as biased as your mental faculties. As I said I don't drink pasteurized milk and very rarely raw milk. Apart from that there are good reasons to eat cooked food as outlined by Aeondaze's post earlier in this thread...

[Glass]

so "bottom line" is it isn't the milk or the calcium. It's the treatment of the animals that is the issue.

Slightly just a little bit intellectually dishonest don't you think?

I don't support the torture of animals. I make purchasing decisions all the time based on what I know is going on with this company or that industry.

What we need to do is fix the industry and get rid of the abusive players who do inject hormones to increase milk production beyond what is natural for an animal and the other things done to them that cause them pain and discomfort. And those companies that bastardize the product by destroying it's nutritional value, deconstructing it and reconstituting it from mismatched constituents.

There are people out there who do have milking cows who do not abuse them and do care for them as a people in animal husbandry should.

As for race, I think it was genetics being raised. I know from experience some races of people can't process some food types the way others can. Milk being one. Alcohol being another. Some peoples can't process alcohol as fast as others and as a result hit the wall with just one or two drinks where another person might be able to consume 6 to 10 times as much. Recovery times can be significantly different too - sobering up might take 1.5 - 2 times longer for some people than others.

[osoab]

Strawberry flavored breast milk drawn daily from fresh rosy cheeked milk maids at your local grocer's dairy section. Mmmm Mmmmph...

Our girls are fed on only plump sweet juicy strawberries, then rushed to the pumping machines where they are milked by professionals.

Try our Suckling Strawberry Ice Cream bars too. They're dreamy.

Apologies for not seeing this earlier.

http://f7.masaladesi.com/133403/1219763412/Breast.jpg

edit to fix the pic.

[singular_me]

the "got milk" commercial is distorting milk consumption/production.

people who still want to drink milk regardless, should buy it first hand from the farmers. With the USDA standards being lowered every year, organic milk may not be so organic anymore. I get my 1/2 gallon of goat milk at some local family size farm every 4-6 weeks, they only have 3 goats.

I watched several videos on youtube months ago about the milking industry (cows that stay indoor all the time and whose outer are injured by the milking equipment, etc ), and gosh what an eye opener. And sure, then all the stuff they inject the cows with so they can produce milk faster.

All this for a scam: milk is NOT necessary nutrients wise. Now drinking for the taste in another thing, but awareness is everything




so "bottom line" is it isn't the milk or the calcium. It's the treatment of the animals that is the issue.

Slightly just a little bit intellectually dishonest don't you think?

I don't support the torture of animals. I make purchasing decisions all the time based on what I know is going on with this company or that industry.

What we need to do is fix the industry and get rid of the abusive players who do inject hormones to increase milk production beyond what is natural for an animal and the other things done to them that cause them pain and discomfort. And those companies that bastardize the product by destroying it's nutritional value, deconstructing it and reconstituting it from mismatched constituents.

There are people out there who do have milking cows who do not abuse them and do care for them as a people in animal husbandry should.

As for race, I think it was genetics being raised. I know from experience some races of people can't process some food types the way others can. Milk being one. Alcohol being another. Some peoples can't process alcohol as fast as others and as a result hit the wall with just one or two drinks where another person might be able to consume 6 to 10 times as much. Recovery times can be significantly different too - sobering up might take 1.5 - 2 times longer for some people than others.

[Neuro]

debunk that there are other foods offering same nutrient found in the milk instead, because this us the bottom line of this thread. Billions of cows being tortured for the sake of a cartel, which you defend somehow.

Here we go again with your unfounded accusations. Where the fuck did you read in that I somehow defend a cartel or the torture of cows? You really are a marble short of a complete nutjob.

[singular_me]

not saying that you supported torture but the motto that milk is essential to health, neuro.

Just like anybody saying I want to eat 1-2lb worth of meat daily, supports unwillingly feedlot/farm factory torture

if after this you still want to drink milk, go find an organic farmer and get your milk directly from him, we can no longer fully trust the organic label anyway

===================================

HARSH TRUTH ONCE AGAIN

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XRCj8LVTRyA&feature=youtu.be


Considering that approximately 3/4 of the world’s population is unable to digest milk and other dairy products, it seems clear the food is not an ideal substance for consumption. However, the average consumer doesn’t know this. From celebrity endorsements to advertisements by the dairy industry, most have been taught to believe that dairy is an ideal food for optimum health.

Because there’s so much misinformation surrounding the subject, Vox recently created a video which illustrates the facade of the dairy industry. One of the points made is that despite the fact that consumers can get the daily recommendation of calcium, potassium, and protein from fruits and vegetables, the dairy industry has spent billions of dollars to convince the populace otherwise.

If you were taught that one must drink milk to grow up “big and strong,” you’re not alone. However, now is the time to get educated on the facts.

Because milk is very mucus-forming in the human body, it is believed to contribute to allergies, ear infections, Type 1 diabetes, anemia, and even constipation. In addition, the food may contribute to various types of cancers as consumption of the product increases the body’s level of insulin-like growth factor-1 (IGF-1).

The good news is that there are plenty of tasty, creamy dairy alternatives that are not only easy-to-make, they’re affordable. ‘Milks’ from rice, almonds, cashew, hemp, and even coconut can be found in most grocery stores, and some companies even sell dairy-free ice cream – such as Ben & Jerry’s! In fact, the non-dairy milk market has surged within the past few years. Almond milk sales, in particular, have increased by 250 percent from 2000-2015 to almost $895 million.

MORE
http://wakingtimesmedia.com/how-the-dairy-tricked-humans/

[Neuro]

not saying that you supported torture but the motto that milk is essential to health, neuro.
As I have stated several times already in this thread I almost never drink milk, and the rare times I do I prefer to drink raw milk. Thus you can assume that I don't consider it essential for health, nor is it a motto that I carry. Why on earth are you so desperate to attach opinions to me that I don't have?

[singular_me]

okay I offer an apology for my poor memory


As I have stated several times already in this thread I almost never drink milk, and the rare times I do I prefer to drink raw milk. Thus you can assume that I don't consider it essential for health, nor is it a motto that I carry. Why on earth are you so desperate to attach opinions to me that I don't have?

[Neuro]

okay I offer an apology for my poor memory

Nah, it's not poor memory, your static mind has predetermined that I am the opponent, thus you continuously attaches opinions to me that I don't have, opposite to yours. Usually you are even incapable of acknowledging the few times I am in full agreement with you. Like yesterday the thread you started about Stephen Hawking.

You really should go and have your head examined!

[singular_me]

neuro, you have long track records of encouraging opponents... and opposing me

so sorry the few times... 1.5 in 10 you agree with me ???
and I should get my head examined because 85-90% of the time you oppose me ;D

yes I saw the hawkings thread and I was pleasantly surprised but it merely is a respite so to speak. But its truly great that you welcome the torus theory


Nah, it's not poor memory, your static mind has predetermined that I am the opponent, thus you continuously attaches opinions to me that I don't have, opposite to yours. Usually you are even incapable of acknowledging the few times I am in full agreement with you. Like yesterday the thread you started about Stephen Hawking.

You really should go and have your head examined!

[Bigjon]

Well I always have loved the taste of milk raw or pasteurized. And look at me now 6'6" 270 lbs, big and strong.

Some people can drink milk and some can't.

Obviously I can and today my raw milk lady delivered 8 half gallons for the next two weeks.

Only a moron would advocate that I can't have my milk. And butter and cream and cheese.

[singular_me]

... it is everybody's right to love milk but saying it is essential to health is a fallacy.

and milk addicts are encouraged to buy raw milk bought directly from a farm


Well I always have loved the taste of milk raw or pasteurized. And look at me now 6'6" 270 lbs, big and strong.

Some people can drink milk and some can't.

Obviously I can and today my raw milk lady delivered 8 half gallons for the next two weeks.

Only a moron would advocate that I can't have my milk. And butter and cream and cheese.

[Bigjon]

... it is everybody's right to love milk but saying it is essential to health is a fallacy.

and milk addicts are encouraged to buy raw milk bought directly from a farm

It was NOT a scam as far as I am concerned.

It is a scam if your genes make it impossible to eat. There is a whole long list of people who should not drink milk. Norwegians are not on that list.

[crimethink]

It was NOT a scam as far as I am concerned.

It is a scam if your genes make it impossible to eat. There is a whole long list of people who should not drink milk. Norwegians are not on that list.

The majority of White people are not on that list.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/27/Worldwide_prevalence_of_lactose_intolerance_in_rec ent_populations.jpg/1280px-Worldwide_prevalence_of_lactose_intolerance_in_rec ent_populations.jpg

[Joshua01]

I stopped drinking cow's milk years ago. Cow's milk is for baby cows and when you think about all the hormones and chemicals in cow's milk I find it hard to understand why anyone would still drink it. I use almond milk and it's been a great cow's milk replacement for me. Your mileage may vary!

[Joshua01]

Any way I can get some of that directly from the tap? ;)
Strawberry flavored breast milk drawn daily from fresh rosy cheeked milk maids at your local grocer's dairy section. Mmmm Mmmmph...

Our girls are fed on only plump sweet juicy strawberries, then rushed to the pumping machines where they are milked by professionals.

Try our Suckling Strawberry Ice Cream bars too. They're dreamy.

[Bigjon]

I stopped drinking cow's milk years ago. Cow's milk is for baby cows and when you think about all the hormones and chemicals in cow's milk I find it hard to understand why anyone would still drink it. I use almond milk and it's been a great cow's milk replacement for me. Your mileage may vary!

Cows milk is for White people, Puny little Jews can't stomach the stuff. No hormones in my milk other than the ones that are natural.

[crimethink]

I stopped drinking cow's milk years ago. Cow's milk is for baby cows and when you think about all the hormones and chemicals in cow's milk I find it hard to understand why anyone would still drink it. I use almond milk and it's been a great cow's milk replacement for me. Your mileage may vary!

I don't like plain liquid milk, but eat copious amounts of cow's milk cheese and ice cream. :)

An occasional hot chocolate with whole cow's milk is something I enjoy.

I can't get into the trendy legume/nut milks. And non-dairy "cheese" is an abomination.

[singular_me]

It was NOT a scam as far as I am concerned.

It is a scam if your genes make it impossible to eat. There is a whole long list of people who should not drink milk. Norwegians are not on that list.

I am not arguing abut the DNA, you find all the milk nutrients in other foods, it is NOT essential, period, there lies the scam to sell milk industrially and millions of dairy cows tortured 24/7 for profits

Have you ever gone 3 months without milk and see the difference, how the feces are much less smelly for example, why? because the body doesnt deal with any milk related fungus.

did you watch the video?

[Joshua01]

I too like and eat cheese and prefer frozen yogurt to ice cream. Your point is well taken.
I don't like plain liquid milk, but eat copious amounts of cow's milk cheese and ice cream. :)

An occasional hot chocolate with whole cow's milk is something I enjoy.

I can't get into the trendy legume/nut milks. And non-dairy "cheese" is an abomination.

[Dogman]

Snickers and cold cold milk...

Taste bud Heaven.

[Bigjon]

I am not arguing abut the DNA, you find all the milk nutrients in other foods, it is NOT essential, period, there lies the scam to sell milk industrially and millions of dairy cows tortured 24/7 for profits

Have you ever gone 3 months without milk and see the difference, how the feces are much less smelly for example, why? because the body doesnt deal with any milk related fungus.

did you watch the video?


Yes, I have tried weaning myself off of the tit. I can't remember how long as that was a long time ago. It didn't make any difference in my health.

I have a number of health issues which I have detailed to this board. This stems from roundup and gmo's. If I avoid gmo's my problems diminish. I used to take large amounts of vit C, but with the advent of gmo corn, which is the main ingredient for vit c, I would have very bad hives from using the same ascorbic acid.

I have recently found an organic vit c which is making me feel very good at about 6 grams per day for the last week, a little premature to announce victory.

There is no prettier sight than a green rolling meadow filled with cows and their calves grazing the hillsides and lolling in the shade chewing their cud under the occasional tree dotting the landscape.

No did not watch the vid.

[Dogman]

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[singular_me]

Yes, I have tried weaning myself off of the tit. I can't remember how long as that was a long time ago. It didn't make any difference in my health.

I have a number of health issues which I have detailed to this board. This stems from roundup and gmo's. If I avoid gmo's my problems diminish. I used to take large amounts of vit C, but with the advent of gmo corn, which is the main ingredient for vit c, I would have very bad hives from using the same ascorbic acid.

I have recently found an organic vit c which is making me feel very good at about 6 grams per day for the last week, a little premature to announce victory.

There is no prettier sight than a green rolling meadow filled with cows and their calves grazing the hillsides and lolling in the shade chewing their cud under the occasional tree dotting the landscape.

No did not watch the vid.

I am not against milk but the hype around it, and insane profits that should not exist.

and me too, I have had to deal with the dire consequences of eating too much meat. No conventional doctor ever told me that meat and fibroids dont mix, meat makes then grow bigger and faster... I had to find that that out by myself a few weeks before surgery.

also the first time I got into raw foods - dairy free diet - I felt so good for more than a year, then I got somewhat bored and ate organic cheese, my digestive system clogged over night. And prior the raw diet, I was not dairy intolerant.

[singular_me]

for the love of money strikes again... making people believe that the sky is the limit when profits are involved. And now lets watch the milk bubble, that is decade old, come to en end... how many millions of cows will have to be slaughtered?

People are about to find out that the nutrients found in milk are not essential in the sense that they can be found in other foods. The "got milk" scam is unraveling... yesterday I listened to another doc establishing the protein daily intake... a brand new harvard study suggests 15% to 35% of daily calories from protein is more than enough. Or 100 grams worth of meat daily....most people eat between 1-2lbs daily... What we will not hear on TV, rest assured. And now lets prepare for the collapse of meat inc.. many people are starting to wake up that they have been lied to about essential amino acids.

Our gluttony has caused animals/earth to suffer to no end... when we damage or do not respect the planet that feeds us...we are in deep troubles. The environment and us are mirrors of one another. Natural Law of Correspondence

=========================

Jan 17, 2017
Dairy Industry Killed Off 500,000 Cows In Alleged Price-Fixing Scheme
And a class action settlement means consumers could be entitled to a payout.
By Hilary Hanson
Major United States dairy producers will pay $52 million to settle an antitrust class-action lawsuit accusing them of slaughtering more than 500,000 cows to reduce milk supply and inflate prices.

“This cow-killing program exploited both the animals and the consumers, and resulted in the early deaths of half a million cows,” attorney Cheryl Leahy told The Huffington Post in an email. Leahy is general counsel for Compassion Over Killing, an animal protection group that spearheaded the suit....

The suit states that Cooperatives Working Together, a trade group led by the NMPF, oversaw a “herd retirement program” between 2003 and 2010. That “retirement” program consisted of dairy cooperatives buying out entire herds of cattle — primarily from small farms — and sending them for early slaughter. (“Spent” dairy cows are typically slaughtered for cheap ground beef, Leahy said, though she couldn’t speak to the fate of each cow in this program.)

This limited the supply of raw milk, thus driving up prices for products like yogurt, cream and cottage cheese, according to the suit.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/dairy-industry-cows-settlement_us_57d1a4ade4b03d2d459926e4

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UK Dairy farm closures: More than 1,000 shut in three years
12 July 2016
The board said North Yorkshire had lost more than one in seven farms over the period, while Berkshire had lost seven of its 22 farms.

In total, 1,002 farms have closed over the three-year period.

Yorkshire dairy farmer Jeremy Holmes said traditional dairy farming was "in a mess", with "far too much milk on the market".

He said he had survived by buying a vending machine to sell raw milk on his farm at Denby Dale near Huddersfield at £1 per litre - about three times the price paid by supermarkets.

Regulations mean raw milk can only be sold on farms, which means supermarkets cannot compete with producers.

Mr Holmes added: "You are connecting yourself with the consumer directly, and it's literally the freshest milk from the cows."

Supply and demand has led to the cost of milk plummeting across the UK.
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-36764592

===

Dairy farmers call for supermarket boycott as milk price falls
Farmers protests against Morrison’s, Aldi, Lidl and Asda as milk processors cut price per litre
Global dairy prices have been falling for months as good weather helped boost production just as a Russian ban on importing dairy goods from Europe and a decline in sales to China dents demand. However, farmers in the UK say they have been suffering particularly because of a supermarket price war in which basics such as milk and butter have had prices slashed.

Farmers were paid an average 23.66p per litre for milk in June, down 10% since January and 25% lower than a year ago, according to AHDB Dairy, the British dairy organisation. Farmers say they need to be paid at least 30p to produce each litre. Tesco, Sainsbury’s, M&S and Waitrose all promise to pay fairly under specific contracts. But only 7% of milk produced in the UK is sold under such terms.
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2015/aug/06/dairy-farmers-call-for-supermarkets-boycott-as-milk-price-falls

[Joshua01]

Moo!

[Bigjon]

for the love of money strikes again... making people believe that the sky is the limit when profits are involved. And now lets watch the milk bubble, that is decade old, come to en end... how many millions of cows will have to be slaughtered?

People are about to find out that the nutrients found in milk are not essential in the sense that they can be found in other foods. The "got milk" scam is unraveling... yesterday I listened to another doc establishing the protein daily intake... a brand new harvard study suggests 15% to 35% of daily calories from protein is more than enough. Or 100 grams worth of meat daily....most people eat between 1-2lbs daily... What we will not hear on TV, rest assured. And now lets prepare for the collapse of meat inc.. many people are starting to wake up that they have been lied to about essential amino acids.

Our gluttony has caused animals/earth to suffer to no end... when we damage or do not respect the planet that feeds us...we are in deep troubles. The environment and us are mirrors of one another. Natural Law of Correspondence

=========================

Jan 17, 2017
Dairy Industry Killed Off 500,000 Cows In Alleged Price-Fixing Scheme
And a class action settlement means consumers could be entitled to a payout.
By Hilary Hanson
Major United States dairy producers will pay $52 million to settle an antitrust class-action lawsuit accusing them of slaughtering more than 500,000 cows to reduce milk supply and inflate prices.

“This cow-killing program exploited both the animals and the consumers, and resulted in the early deaths of half a million cows,” attorney Cheryl Leahy told The Huffington Post in an email. Leahy is general counsel for Compassion Over Killing, an animal protection group that spearheaded the suit....

The suit states that Cooperatives Working Together, a trade group led by the NMPF, oversaw a “herd retirement program” between 2003 and 2010. That “retirement” program consisted of dairy cooperatives buying out entire herds of cattle — primarily from small farms — and sending them for early slaughter. (“Spent” dairy cows are typically slaughtered for cheap ground beef, Leahy said, though she couldn’t speak to the fate of each cow in this program.)

This limited the supply of raw milk, thus driving up prices for products like yogurt, cream and cottage cheese, according to the suit.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/dairy-industry-cows-settlement_us_57d1a4ade4b03d2d459926e4

===================
UK Dairy farm closures: More than 1,000 shut in three years
12 July 2016
The board said North Yorkshire had lost more than one in seven farms over the period, while Berkshire had lost seven of its 22 farms.

In total, 1,002 farms have closed over the three-year period.

Yorkshire dairy farmer Jeremy Holmes said traditional dairy farming was "in a mess", with "far too much milk on the market".

He said he had survived by buying a vending machine to sell raw milk on his farm at Denby Dale near Huddersfield at £1 per litre - about three times the price paid by supermarkets.

Regulations mean raw milk can only be sold on farms, which means supermarkets cannot compete with producers.

Mr Holmes added: "You are connecting yourself with the consumer directly, and it's literally the freshest milk from the cows."

Supply and demand has led to the cost of milk plummeting across the UK.
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-36764592

===

Dairy farmers call for supermarket boycott as milk price falls
Farmers protests against Morrison’s, Aldi, Lidl and Asda as milk processors cut price per litre
Global dairy prices have been falling for months as good weather helped boost production just as a Russian ban on importing dairy goods from Europe and a decline in sales to China dents demand. However, farmers in the UK say they have been suffering particularly because of a supermarket price war in which basics such as milk and butter have had prices slashed.

Farmers were paid an average 23.66p per litre for milk in June, down 10% since January and 25% lower than a year ago, according to AHDB Dairy, the British dairy organisation. Farmers say they need to be paid at least 30p to produce each litre. Tesco, Sainsbury’s, M&S and Waitrose all promise to pay fairly under specific contracts. But only 7% of milk produced in the UK is sold under such terms.
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2015/aug/06/dairy-farmers-call-for-supermarkets-boycott-as-milk-price-falls


This is for morons who think that eating meat is evil.

more just plain bullshit.

Why don't you go look at the beef industry? Cows put in feed lots and fed corn a food that all cows love to eat, it's like candy for them.

Look at all the poor little chickens who are slaughtered... oh my the horror of it all...

[Jewboo]

if after watching this you still want to eat eggs, raise your own non genetically manipulated chickens or buy your eggs from somebody aware of this

this woman has an interesting channel by the way



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=utPkDP3T7R4

MUST WATCH VIDEO !!!

:o holy shit...thanks Goldi

[Bigjon]

MUST WATCH VIDEO !!!


:o holy shit...thanks Goldi


another city slicker who thinks chickens come in shrink wrapped packages.

get a life, bozo.

[singular_me]

animals in feedlots are stuffed with antibiotics

grain is not good for them because they are ruminants and must eat grass. Grassfed beef is superior and healthier.

considering that eating 100 grams of meat daily is enough... why not eating 2 big steaks weekly?

This is what i recommend.

I am happy eating meat 2 or 3 times monthly (not more than 1/2lb each time) and eggs in between. If I could afford it, I would go hunt, kill a deer or an elk and eat it right away. Meat you find in the stores are corpses of animals that had a miserable life, sick and are parked for hours/days outside the slaughterhouse waiting for their turn... so their flesh is full of toxins due to the excruciating stress they endure. What comes around, goes around... look at society today, we are in the same state

feedlots are the result of a market distortion/lie, just like dairy cows. anywhere where there is lots of suffering there is a fallacy.

Now if you want to eat your steak every day at your own risks despite that it is not good for your kidneys, buy it from a farmer who just happened to drive an animal to slaughter, but an animal that has had a good time while alive. Eating meat daily and so much was "invented" in the early 50s and became a trend.



This is for morons who think that eating meat is evil.

more just plain bullshit.

Why don't you go look at the beef industry? Cows put in feed lots and fed corn a food that all cows love to eat, it's like candy for them.

Look at all the poor little chickens who are slaughtered... oh my the horror of it all...

[Jewboo]

Grassfed beef is superior and healthier.



In the 4-H Club when a teen...my Black Angus steer was on pasture and fed alfalfa hay. We also fed them grain for a month just before the State Fair auction.

That said...your egg video freaked me out...I had no idea.

:o

[singular_me]

yeah and I get my eggs from a private home which has 30 chicks and get 40 eggs or so daily. Thank God!

But I do also buy -- every now and then -- from wholefoods or Trader Joes, the most expensive organic ones when I have no other option. I suspect that many ckicks are genetically modified to produce more eggs in the lesser case.

I milked a cow sometimes in NM, and after milking she was getting 2 cups of grain as a reward for a patience... but otherwise she was on hay all the time

grassfed label in store can be deceiving, I read once they cattle was given grain but switched to grass the last 2 or 3 months of their life


MUST WATCH VIDEO !!!

:o holy shit...thanks Goldi

[Jewboo]

yeah and I get my eggs from a private home which has 30 chicks and get 40 eggs or so daily.



Those hens are still laying an egg daily. Your video said a natural hen only lays one egg a month.

:(??








But I do also buy -- every now and then -- from wholefoods or Trader Joes, the most expensive organic ones when I have no other option. I suspect that many ckicks are genetically modified to produce more eggs in the lesser case.



I'm recently on a heath kick and was planning on getting my protein from organic yogurt and eggs. I dunno if I can ever look at an egg again after watching your video. If you mostly eat raw food where morally do you get your protein?

:(??

[singular_me]

book there are no wild chickens anymore, they all have been genetically modified to lay more eggs.... but if chickens eat quality feed, that is all what matters.

I get my proteins from essential amino acids and eggs, I have meat twice a month but it is more for the taste of it, though I really feel like I didnt have to each time. When I eat meat I have an instant reward taste wise but then my mind does not follow. Eating too much meat increases acid in the stomach and most likely the main cause of colon/kidney cancers in the worse case scenarios.

#######

but here is the bummer... human milk only contains 1% of protein... meaning that we are way more vegetarian than we think... conclusion the milk/meat hype will have to crash down at some point


Breast milk is approximately 87% water, 7% lactose, 3.8% fat, and 1% protein. While breast milk nutrition changes depending on the baby’s age (and a mom's diet), the USDA says that one cup generally has 172 calories, 2.5 grams of protein, 10 grams of fat, and 16 grams of carbs.
http://www.health.com/nutrition/bodybuilders-drinking-breast-milk

[Neuro]

Book hasn’t been here in the last 6 months. Sadly I may add.

[singular_me]

why cheese is addicting... ever heard of casemorphin?

dairies as sold today are bad for your health. To produce a gallon a milk, a cow needs 680 gallons of water. Do the math. Farm factories and gluttonic consumption are not sustainable


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h3c_D0s391Q

[Jewboo]

if after watching this you still want to eat eggs, raise your own non genetically manipulated chickens or buy your eggs from somebody aware of this

this woman has an interesting channel by the way



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=utPkDP3T7R4

We give Goldissima a hard time but this video post was profound for me. A must watch video. Just recently Doctor Mamboni also posted here about the importance of FREE RANGE CHICKEN EGGS.

Thanks again for posting this video Goldi!

:)

[Horn]

We give Goldissima a hard time but this video post was profound for me. A must watch video. Just recently Doctor Mamboni also posted here about the importance of FREE RANGE CHICKEN EGGS.

Thanks again for posting this video Goldi!

:)

I must've missed the importance of Free Range Eggs post.

What is important about them?

A thank egg has been free range posted to you in advance.

[Bigjon]

My vision of farming is small farming with a few of everything done according to nature.
No big machines, small garden style tractors shared with the neighbors.

I came into the scene when that was the norm.

Both of sets of my grandparents never drank pasturized milk. I watched a video recently where Dr. Jerry Tenant said pasturized, homogenized milk was poison and the real stuff was a perfect food.

[singular_me]

there is nothing wrong with your visio, Bigjon...

but today reality is beyond appalling... and one wonders why veganism/vegetarianism is a new market force? the meat and dairy industries are too major threats to the global economy. Meat eaters saying nothing about the 65billions of animals slaughtered yearly and globally are part of the problem. Just eat drastically less meat if you do not have your own farm. Additionally it is impossible to have quality meat at that scale of production. Animals are sick from birth to slaughter.

I just started watching this doc

https://www.dominionmovement.com/watch?fbclid=IwAR08kdhIknU3nLPlHTdB_wEwvp7EZvgJGAb uNglyMCAz7ItL-rLDEiMuvhE


https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=35&v=LQRAfJyEsko

[End Times]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dp3_qstqpn4

[singular_me]

this thread is pro-vegetarianism... or realistic meat intake. Obviously we cannot feed the world livestock anymore, 65 billion slaughtered represent a lot of feed. These animals are also tortured because of greed, profit seeking and profit efficiency.

vegans take it to the extreme, but I know it is working for many of them... myself has no problem with skipping meat for a whole month, but I will have some eggs and lots of nuts instead. I have been doing this for more than 5 years and am in great shape. I often choose wild Alaskan salmon over meat because the label "grassfed" does not mean much anymore.

Unless buying one's meat from a farmer directly, slaughtering his own organically fed livestock, meat from any supermarket is really DISCOURAGED.

the whole point here is that money/atheism cannot dictate human behaviors, but Nature. And Nature says NO TO GREED.

Ultimately we treat animals the way we treat ourselves and humanity... and thats the lesson Nature wants us to learn

I am starting a non-profit this year yet, the truth must be out there. As it stands, the meat and dairy industries are so TOXIC that they could collapse our western economy if a majority awakens... gluttony is indeed a capital sin

we are entering the end of the materialistic paradigm: science, philosophy and spirituality will have to merge to save us from destruction or AI assimilation.

There are several hundreds of european scientists saying the same thing, so time is running out but truth is spreading. Nature dictates human consumption, and not the other way around. We need resources based economies, based on human needs instead of greed as greed is destructive. If we remove greed from the equation, earth can feed up to 30 billions of people

[End Times]

this thread is pro-vegetarianism...vegans take it to the extreme




this woman has an interesting channel by the way



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gdGLYBhfMT0

This woman, Erin Janus, is a fanatic.


https://www.youtube.com/user/erinsotherstuff/about

https://twitter.com/erinjanus/status/1071176481584205824

[singular_me]

humans need to learn as how to eat scientifically instead of going by the taste, which fuels gluttony and profit seeking

eating scientifically = no cravings

eating plants containing essential amino acids can replace meat.

earth will not comply if forced to produced for the sake of addictive consumerism and ever exponential growth. At best, economy should be a flat line if we listened to the laws of nature

the scam runs soooo deep, I am telling you

[singular_me]

since the thread is about gluttony and unhealthy diet

CarbLoaded: A Culture Dying to Eat (International Subtitles)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lBb5TFxj1S0

[osoab]

These animals are also tortured because of greed, profit seeking and profit efficiency.




Stick that up your derriere.

[singular_me]

Stick that up your derriere.

if you think you can abuse animals without any consequence for the sake of money... factory farms are abuse and cruelty. Here is the scientific evidence, if we were treating these animals decently, such an amount of antibiotics wouldnt be needed... if you think we can slaughter 65 billions of animal yearly without creating any ecological disaster, maybe time to open your eyes.

Factory Farms Use 80% of the United States' Antibiotic Supply
https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2013/02/factory-farms-use-80-united-states-antibiotic-supply/318529/

If you think you can treat creation/life as a commodity, you side with atheistic scientism.

anybody not seeing that the problem is getting back at us in a full loop, like a boomerang, still has a lot to ponder... sorry

Nature will dictate our behaviors, we cannot do whatever we want with Her

CDC Reveals Disturbing Truth about Factory Farms and Superbugs
According to the European Centre for Disease Prevention and Control (ECDC), antibiotic resistance is a major threat to public health, worldwide, and the primary cause for this man-made epidemic is the widespread misuse of antibiotics.
https://healthimpactnews.com/2013/cdc-reveals-disturbing-truth-about-factory-farms-and-superbugs/

The Principle of Correspondence in action... If it is how we treat different and lower consciousness levels, so we treat ourselves.

And worse, we do the same to the oceans... overfishing for the sake of money and gluttony.... millions of sharks are killed every year for their fins only, while it takes 10 years for a shark to be able to reproduce.... do the math.... time to choose organic vertical farms and eat more veggies. It was all brainwashing.

But another problem arises, what are we going to do with those animals once a critical mass understands the we need to change our diet... slaughter them anyway, and what then... freeze all the meat and cheese? How realistic is that? The meat and cheese surpluses are already staggering


“Meat Surplus”: 2.5 billions of Pounds of Meat Are Piling Up in Warehouses

According to the USDA, there are currently 1.39 BILLION pounds of surplus cheese in the U.S

all the ills of mankind are rooted in the fact that we have been taught for centuries that man is above nature. Materialism. Man is just not. Nature can only be his friend IF he listens... let go materialism and embrace the greater good instead. We really could have abundance on this planet if a majority gets it... ((they)) only incarnate our fears of living for a greater good. Today we have enough scientific data to figure that out.

[monty]

A little off topic, but people who eat red meat and dairy live longer

https://www.farminguk.com/News/Red-meat-and-dairy-good-for-a-healthy-diet-study-_50143.html#.XEcrdbMeoII.twitter

https://www.farminguk.com/images/News/50143_1.jpg




Researchers have found that people who eat higher levels of red meat and cheese are more likely to live longer.
The study of 220,000 adults found that eating three portions of dairy and one and half portions of unprocessed red meat a day could cut the risk of early death by one quarter.

[Bigjon]

A little off topic, but people who eat red meat and dairy live longer

https://www.farminguk.com/News/Red-meat-and-dairy-good-for-a-healthy-diet-study-_50143.html#.XEcrdbMeoII.twitter

https://www.farminguk.com/images/News/50143_1.jpg








Sure wish I could buy beef like my dad fed in his feedlot. Corn fed well marbled beef, aged 10 to 14 days at 40 degrees, tender and delicious.

All this grass fed stuff is too tough for me.

[Horn]

A little off topic, but people who eat red meat and dairy live longer

https://www.farminguk.com/News/Red-meat-and-dairy-good-for-a-healthy-diet-study-_50143.html#.XEcrdbMeoII.twitter

https://www.farminguk.com/images/News/50143_1.jpg








Cause celery is only worth wanting if its dosed in some sort of cream.

Lose want, lose life.*



* Asians do Not have this issue as they wanton so much their eyes are thin.

[Neuro]

A little off topic, but people who eat red meat and dairy live longer

https://www.farminguk.com/News/Red-meat-and-dairy-good-for-a-healthy-diet-study-_50143.html#.XEcrdbMeoII.twitter

https://www.farminguk.com/images/News/50143_1.jpg








This study from Europe shows that countries where MORE animal proteins and fats are eaten, there is significantly LESS deaths from cardiovascular disease.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5040825/

[singular_me]

this thread is not ANTI MEAT ... BUT EATING LESS MEAT... how can you all believe pro-meat industry studies... like studies saying that milk is good for bones?

would you all be dying or getting dumb if you only ate 1lb worth of meat weekly instead of 3 or 4? Of course not.... where do we find the feed to give 65 billion animals worldwide???

By the way, europe has also a dairy and farm factory malaise

I completely discard the global climate change argument, but for the rest it is right on. Additionally factory farm waste -- FULL OF ANTIBIOTICS -- is also used for crops... ALLO!!!!

What we do to lower consciousness levels is also done to us... it is UNavoidable. It is a Natural Law. We are cattle for the NWO, so the only way to address that is to respect Life... it was Jesus' message... or is christianity impossible in practice?

To get rid of the NWO, we need to change our perceptions, thats the first step. The "I want my steak daily" is what led us there.

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http://www.cowspiracy.com/facts/

Every minute, 7 million pounds of excrement are produced by animals raised for food in the US.

1,000 gallons of water are required to produce 1 gallon of milk.

477 gallons of water are required to produce 1lb. of eggs; almost 900 gallons of water are needed for 1lb. of cheese.

2,500 gallons of water are needed to produce 1 pound of beef.


In the U.S. livestock produce 116,000 lbs of waste per second:
-Dairy Cows, 120 lbs. of waste per day x 9.32 million dairy cows

-Cows, 63 lbs. of waste per day x 83.68 million cows

-Calves, 30 lbs. of waste per day x 34.3 million calves

-Pigs, 14 lbs. of waste per day x 74 million pigs

-Sheep and Goats, 5 lbs. of waste per day x 7.84 million sheep and goats

-Turkeys, .87 lbs. of waster per day x 77 million turkeys

-Broiler Chickens, .50 lbs. of waste per day x 1.74 billion broiler chickens

-Laying Hens, .25 lbs. of waster per day x 350.7 million laying hens

*pigs are raised twice per year, (a total of 148.3 million per year) so on any given day in the United States there are about 74 million pigs.

*turkeys are raised three times per year (a total of 233 million per year) so on any given day in the United States there are 77 million turkeys.

*broiler chickens are raised 5 times per year, (a total of 8.69 billion per year) so any given day there are1.74 billion broiler chickens.

Dairy Cows produce (120 lbs. x 9.32 m.) = 1.1184 billion lbs.

Cows produce (63 lbs. x 83.68 m.) = 5.27184 billion lbs.

Calves produce (30 lbs. x 34.3 m.) = 1.029 billion lbs.

Pigs produce (14 lbs. x 74.0 m.) = 1.036 billion lbs.

Sheep and Goats produce (5 lbs. x 7.84 m.) = 39.2 million lbs.

Turkeys produce (.87 lbs. x 77.0 m.) = 66.99 million lbs.

Broiler Chickens produce (.5 x 1.74 b.) = 870 million lbs.

Laying Hens produce (.25 x 350.7 m.) = 87.675 million lbs.



*Total manure produced in one day is 9.519105 billion lbs.

*Total manure produced in one year is 3.475 trillion lbs.


*This is the equivalent of over 6.611 million lbs. per minute. (This does not include any animal raised outside of USDA Jurisdiction, backyards or fish raised for aquaculture)

Animals produce Enough waste to cover SF, NYC, Tokyo, etc,

based off 1lb of waste per 1sqft at 1.4 billion tons.

*Total manure produced in one year is 3.475 trillion lbs. (From above calculation.)

US Livestock produce 335 million tons of “dry matter” per year.

[singular_me]

>>>>A little off topic, but people who eat red meat and dairy live longer<<<

humans have a very long intestine compared to that of the carnivores, and this means that we do not digest meat that well. Meat can stay stuck more than 48hrs in our digestive system and cause inflammation. As a matter of fact all diabetic people must lower their meat intake because it affects their kidneys and that meat has too a glycemic index... meat is hard on our digestive system

additionally today, the biodome, has proven its importance and it is also called the "second brain", the biodome prefers whole, unprocessed foods along with cultured or fermented foods, over meat and dairies when overconsumed and providing that the latter are organic

there are plenty of vids on YT about the biodome...

[Cebu_4_2]

All this grass fed stuff is too tough for me.

That's why they usually finish them off the last 4-8 weeks on GMO corn and soy. Was all fine and dandy until GMO is all that's available in large amounts.

Prime = Top of the line
Choice = A little hard to find but much better than
Select = One step above dog food.
(Must have the USDA shield)

http://localmeatmilkeggs.org/images/USDABeefGrades-marbling.jpg

Angus brands = whatever they throw that label on.

[Neuro]

>>>>A little off topic, but people who eat red meat and dairy live longer<<<

humans have a very long intestine compared to that of the carnivores, and this means that we do not digest meat that well. Meat can stay stuck more than 48hrs in our digestive system and cause inflammation. As a matter of fact all diabetic people must lower their meat intake because it affects their kidneys and that meat has too a glycemic index... meat is hard on our digestive system

additionally today, the biodome, has proven its importance and it is also called the "second brain", the biodome prefers whole, unprocessed foods along with cultured or fermented foods, over meat and dairies when overconsumed and providing that the latter are organic

there are plenty of vids on YT about the biodome...
Still people who eat red meat live longer ...

[singular_me]

Still people who eat red meat live longer ...

GET REAL... we have a situation... no problem with eating meat... but the quantity... how about eating meat twice a week instead of twice a day???

Fears for environment in Spain as pigs outnumber people
Official figures show there are 50m pigs to 46.5m humans in country famed for its pork - 2018
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/aug/19/fears-environment-spain-pigs-outnumber-humans-pork-industry


I have been siding with the pro-meat clique for many years, it is only 4-5 years that I woke up, and made a u-turn. Well it all started when I went on my road trip but it took me many years to gather the pieces of the puzzle and accept that I had been brainwashed.

Industrialization shows us what we are doing wrong with Nature, that Nature is not our service, but the other way round. We need to think and evolve in sync.... OR... how do we feed more than 65 billions of animals? Because if we slaughter that many every year, it means that the global livestock is even bigger than that.

Why gluttony as a capital sin is not obvious to you - and others - is simply mind boggling, yet you call yourselves christians. Go figure... at this stage one does not need to be a christian, evidence is staggering.

I eat organic meat/wild fish once or twice monthly and, 6 eggs weekly, and for the rest I eat lots of nuts and salads, some good carbs such as quinoa, and many plant proteins too... nothing wrong with that diet. Trust me

even the grassfed label is a scam, cattle are given hay the last 3 months of their lives and they called that grassfed.

How ethical is that for dairy cows to have their calve taken away right after birth for 5 years in a row then be sent to slaughter? No to mention that 95% of male calves are immediately killed and sold as veal.... all this for the milk is good for bones scam!!

humans are out of their minds, and we are going to pay the heavy price... we are going to care about nature... or else...

but as always the NWO has created a crisis by encouraging meat hyperconsumption and now ((they)) side with the vegan argument... ((they)) always change sides when the time is right, that does not mean that the vegan argument is completely BS... eventually both extremes will have to let it go. Very little meat and lots of veggies, that's what lies in between.

when one sees the number of gallons of water required to have 1lb of meat (and even eggs), reality speaks by itself.

and we are so greedy and gluttonic that we think we can do the same to the oceans, with our giant nets destroying seabeds. Bycatch represents millions creatures that are needlessly killed every year, which is why we now deplete our oceans. Even the blue fin tuna is an endangered species now, sushi sell right.

Money can buy us the freedom to eat whatever we want? Think again!

[Neuro]

GET REAL... we have a situation... no problem with eating meat... but the quantity... how about eating meat twice a week instead of twice a day???

Fears for environment in Spain as pigs outnumber people
Official figures show there are 50m pigs to 46.5m humans in country famed for its pork - 2018
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/aug/19/fears-environment-spain-pigs-outnumber-humans-pork-industry


I have been siding with the pro-meat clique for many years, it is only 4-5 years that I woke up, and made a u-turn. Well it all started when I went on my road trip but it took me many years to gather the pieces of the puzzle and accept that I had been brainwashed.

Industrialization shows us what we are doing wrong with Nature, that Nature is not our service, but the other way round. We need to think and evolve in sync.... OR... how do we feed more than 65 billions of animals? Because if we slaughter that many every year, it means that the global livestock is even bigger than that.

Why gluttony as a capital sin is not obvious to you - and others - is simply mind boggling, yet you call yourselves christians. Go figure... at this stage one does not need to be a christian, evidence is staggering.

I eat organic meat/wild fish once or twice monthly and, 6 eggs weekly, and for the rest I eat lots of nuts and salads, some good carbs such as quinoa, and many plant proteins too... nothing wrong with that diet. Trust me

even the grassfed label is a scam, cattle are given hay the last 3 months of their lives and they called that grassfed.

How ethical is that for dairy cows to have their calve taken away right after birth for 5 years in a row then be sent to slaughter? No to mention that 95% of male calves are immediately killed and sold as veal.... all this for the milk is good for bones scam!!

humans are out of their minds, and we are going to pay the heavy price... we are going to care about nature... or else...

but as always the NWO has created a crisis by encouraging meat hyperconsumption and now ((they)) side with the vegan argument... ((they)) always change sides when the time is right, that does not mean that the vegan argument is completely BS... eventually both extremes will have to let it go. Very little meat and lots of veggies, that's what lies in between.

when one sees the number of gallons of water required to have 1lb of meat (and even eggs), reality speaks by itself.
The higher the consumption of animal proteins and fat the lower the risk of dying from cardiovascular disease.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5040825/

[Horn]

The soaring pig population is a key factor in making livestock the fourth-largest generator of greenhouse gas emissions after transport, electricity generation and industry.

What's the problem with living in a greenhouse?

Infact this reminds me to get some more houseplants here.

[singular_me]

says Meat Inc, wouldnt be surprising the same the report endorsed the milk is good for bones scam... meat and dairy industries can write whatever they want. In spain there are more pigs than the population, and that does not take account cattle, chickens and sheep... HOW do we feed them?

where do most animals get their proteins then? From essential amino acids. Man is NOT a carnivore. He also has the power of knowledge, and the awareness that when he disturbs nature's balance he is doing something that is wrong, willingly or not.

>>> Essential Amino Acids and the Plant-Based Foods That Contain Them
http://www.alternativehealthatlanta.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/essential-amino-acids-in-plant-based-foods1.pdf

Start a farm and treat your livestock ethically if you want to eat meat, or support a farmer who does.

PLUS, you are not willing to understand that you do not need to eat meat every day. If even if that study has some truths in it, ((they))) have left out important data to satisfy the profit seeking and hyperconsumerism. Follow the money. Where we see insane profits, there are monstrous lies, generally. Lies and profits are bedfellows.

ahhh, I can stand the idea to eat meat 2 or 3 times weekly instead of twice a day.... did you say addiction???

It is amazing because even in the face of so many toxic consequences, that we are literally destroying the planet and ourselves, people will still tend to support our deadly system, each at different levels. ((they)) have done such a excellent job.

Thinking humans are above nature is atheism, and it is what ((they)) have taught generations after generations.



The higher the consumption of animal proteins and fat the lower the risk of dying from cardiovascular disease.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5040825/

[singular_me]

I stated 2 or 3 times that the greenhouse argument isnt one... for the rest, facts are pretty accurate.

Using the greenhouse to deny the fact that we slaughter 65+ billions of animals needing more feed than humans IS a problem, caused by meat addiction, and that will not resolve the fact the industry is a giant lie

on top of that all their toxic manure is put back into our soils to grow crops. As above so below... the Law of Correspondence. When we neglect different level of consciousness, and it is getting back to us.

Lets get real these animals are zombies kept on life support with antibiotics.
And the grassfed label is often a deception. Animals are fed hay the last 3 months before slaughter. Also "feedlot cows" are being fed with grains, which their intestines cannot digest well. Because they are sent to slaughter quite fast, they have not the time to die from it, but they are all SICK because of the grains they ingest. Bon appetit???

I watched a doc the other day: MILLIONS of baby chicks are thrown into grinders ALIVE a few hours after hatching because they are males for the sake of the egg industry... hello, do you see the waste here? This apocalyptic... if you do not see that, I DO

Egg Industry Grinds Millions Of Baby Chicks Alive

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQ5qAfyUuWE

If you do not want to fix that, no wonder ((they)) are winning...




What's the problem with living in a greenhouse?

Infact this reminds me to get some more houseplants here.

[Neuro]

says Meat Inc, wouldnt be surprising the same the report endorsed the milk is good for bones scam... meat and dairy industries can write whatever they want. In spain there are more pigs than the population, and that does not take account cattle, chickens and sheep...

Spain is expected to overtake Japan in life expectancy by 2040 with average life expectancy of over 85 years, today the average Spaniard lives to be 83.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/oct/16/spain-to-beat-japan-2040-world-life-expectancy-league-table?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

All data points to eating lots of meat leads to a long life, no matter your opinion about pork Goldie...

[singular_me]

Spain is expected to overtake Japan in life expectancy by 2040 with average life expectancy of over 85 years, today the average Spaniard lives to be 83.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/oct/16/spain-to-beat-japan-2040-world-life-expectancy-league-table?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

All data points to eating lots of meat leads to a long life, no matter your opinion about pork Goldie...

... life expectancy is higher in heavy socialized systems .... meanwhile we still destroy the planet and and ourselves by the same token. Japan has had negative interest rates for decades now.

today its 65 billions of animals are sent to slaughter... and increasing every year, the brick wall is getting closer... you do not answer the question: how do we FEED them... close to 45% of global crop production goes toward the livestock already, with all their toxic manure getting back into our soils.

Most people cannot think in term of large systems, the problem with scientism and why we are on the edge. Scientism has also promoted extreme individualism, the law of the fittest, which is a hoax.

This has perhaps nothing to do with the meat intake, because spain is exporting a lot of gluttony, too much profits from their "jambon".

yep live long and exploit Nature as if there are no tomorrows... and HOLD ON TIED YOUR BIBLE... because the day of reckoning is predicted. I told you so. :)

Yes Virgine, there are essential amino acids in many veggies, but the meat cartel would hate you to know that.

actually, I wonder how people can eat meat from animals that have been tortured their whole lives... talk of a conscience... and of course the NWO regards us the same way... change your perceptions and change the world

I have helped process an elk once, and the meat was delicious. I even ate some raw. I woundn't mind doing that again... but supporting such a highly toxic farming is a humanitarian crime in my view. And a payback is coming because people's awareness is growing.

[Neuro]

... life expectancy is higher in heavy socialized systems .... meanwhile we still destroy the planet and and ourselves by the same token

today its 65 billions of animals sent to slaughter... and increasing every year, the brick wall is getting closer... you do not answer the question: how do we FEED them... close to 45% of global crop production goes toward the livestock already, with all their toxic manure getting back into our soils.

profit from Nature (atheism) is taking the world down... long life ???

Most people cannot think in term of large systems, the problem with scientism and why we are on the edge.

So by your reasoning: Living a long and healthy life=destroying ourselves

“Toxic manure” going back into the soil, you prefer artificial fertilizers?

You are a fraud Goldie!

[singular_me]

So by your reasoning: Living a long and healthy life=destroying ourselves

“Toxic manure” going back into the soil, you prefer artificial fertilizers?

You are a fraud Goldie!

fraud for saying... when the solution is lots of veggie, some eggs, make your own cheese (or quit cheese until the dairy industry no longer exists), and eat organic meat from a independent farmer twice weekly. Wisdom is against gluttony.

here is the fraud
you do not answer the question: how do we FEED them... close to 45% of global crop production goes toward the livestock already, with all their toxic manure getting back into our soils.

Like many you are tricked into believing something that is UNsustainable and cannot accept that essential amino acids are the building blocks of proteins. So what can I say?

Vertical farms with aquaponics and hydroponics do not require chemicals, so you know, and we can grow all the protein veggies that we need, and this would mean a SUSTAINABLE and ORGANIC livestock.

The for profit system is a fraud onto itself first as it depends on advertising, artificial demand and credit. Yes I stick by what I said, our various ecocides are symptoms of that. Hold on to your bible.

I am a fraud for saying that any toxic imbalance will always get back to us. , so please be my guest.

[Neuro]

https://b55b038a02-custmedia.vresp.com/76e8d520e1/African%20American%20Woman%20Screaming.jpg
I told you it’s unhealthy to eat meat!

[Neuro]

https://b55b038a02-custmedia.vresp.com/76e8d520e1/African%20American%20Woman%20Screaming.jpg
I told you it’s unhealthy to eat meat!

Yes but meat has a healthy balance of essential amino acids, good biologically accessible iron, balance of healthy fatty acids and other essential nutrients that is very difficult to get from a vegetarian dominated diet.

The countries that have the highest proportion of meat in their diets also have the highest life expectancy

[singular_me]

Yes but meat has a healthy balance of essential amino acids, good biologically accessible iron, balance of healthy fatty acids and other essential nutrients that is very difficult to get from a vegetarian dominated diet.

The countries that have the highest proportion of meat in their diets also have the highest life expectancy

get a lot of iron from organic raw cocoa powder which I use for my shakes, made with coconut milk. I eat hemp seeds with all my salads and lots of nuts, avocado, butter and unfiltered coconut oils are preferred... I posted a link with nutrients in veggies, 2 pages ago.

this thread does not bash meat completely but advocates for 85% vegetarianism+cheese+eggs and 15% meat diet. Even conventional data speaks of 1oz of meat daily. So 2 big steaks weekly should do it.

[Neuro]

get a lot of iron from organic raw cocoa powder which I use for my shakes, made with coconut milk. I eat hemp seeds with all my salads and lots of nuts, avocado, butter and unfiltered coconut oils are preferred... I posted a link with nutrients in veggies, 2 pages ago.

this thread does not trash meat completely but advocates for 80% vegetarianism and 15% meat diet. Even conventional data speaks of 1oz of meat daily. So 2 big steaks weekly should do it.

Now you need to figure out how to get those ingredients where you are without money...

[EE_]

Yes but meat has a healthy balance of essential amino acids, good biologically accessible iron, balance of healthy fatty acids and other essential nutrients that is very difficult to get from a vegetarian dominated diet.

The countries that have the highest proportion of meat in their diets also have the highest life expectancy

Don't be a soy boy. Chicken is the worst killer of testosterone.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Psbjg6xzjw

[monty]

close to 45% of global crop production goes toward the livestock already, with all their toxic manure getting back into our soils.Much of that land produces forage that is high in cellulose we humans are incapable of digesting. The ruminants eat those high cellulose plants and convert them into nutritious meats we can eat.

Many global warming gurus claim agriculture produces 19%-24% of the greenhouse gases. EPA figures say 9%, the largest percentage being methane (CH4) which dissipates rather rapidly from the atmosphere. Consider that electricity generation and transportation is nearly all carbon dioxide (CO2).


https://i.postimg.cc/B60K0ksj/6-D1-D5-EE4-5-E1-C-41-FF-804-E-3-F2-A3074-C50-A.jpg



Edit: that toxic manure put back into our soils becomes beautiful vegetables and crops to feed livestock. Natures perfect circle!

[singular_me]

without growth hormones, genetic manipulation and antibiotics it is simply impossible to overproduce meat the way we do it now... follow the money.

and the meat still is highly toxic... man is a beast of destruction when he worships profits... that is why we must have a ZERO profit economy and people understand the illusion of wealth. And this idea is spreading faster than you think.


Don't be a soy boy. Chicken is the worst killer of testosterone.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Psbjg6xzjw

[Neuro]

man is a beast of destruction when he worships profits... that is why we must have a ZERO profit economy and people understand the illusion of wealth.
Fantastic idea! This thinking was successfully applied in Soviet Union, people did realize that the wealth that ZERO profit system provided was indeed an illusion, and the environmental destruction was on a phenomenal level!

LETS TRY IT AGAIN! ;D

[singular_me]

since when chemicals, glophosate and others are good for the environment?

Brasil is destroying the rain forest record pace for its livestock, Indonesia burns 100s or 1000s of heactares for palm oil yearly... etc...

I always have said that the carbon emission is a bogus argument, what I look at is the toxic manure going back into our soils and posioning aquifers, that the livestock is engineered and tortured for the sake of gluttony, that 65 billions of animals slaughtered every year is a big problem, people working in slaugherhouses cannot handle so many killings and become animal torturers... that big ag consume 80% of water consumption in the US... that 2,500 gallons of water are needed to produced 1lb or steak, etc...

these are the downsides that I look at and draw my conclusion that humans must beging to eat meat 2wice weekly. This idea to eat meat every day and 2 or 3 times a day is the result of brainwashing. Follow the money.

Are vegans and vegetarians right? so far they have a solid point. Every group now supports carbon emission because climate has become the new religion. That does not mean that the other arguments must be dismissed. I have done this for 1 decade and recognize that I was wrong to not pay attention to the crimes committed by feedlots and thd dairy industry, fooling and poisoning consumers on top of that.

Freedom only exists within the "parameters of the all that is". Neglect the Whole and we become slaves. This topic shows how deep everything is interconnected, and that earth is our host after all. We are only passing by and our responsibily to leave a sustainable earth behind for future generations. we are here to learn as how to respect Creation above all.

we depend so much on Nature... the bees situation is another evidence.. we need to reconnect with Nature, thats for sure, instead of chasing money



Much of that land produces forage that is high in cellulose we humans are incapable of digesting. The ruminants eat those high cellulose plants and convert them into nutritious meats we can eat.

Many global warming gurus claim agriculture produces 19%-24% of the greenhouse gases. EPA figures say 9%, the largest percentage being methane (CH4) which dissipates rather rapidly from the atmosphere. Consider that electricity generation and transportation is nearly all carbon dioxide (CO2).


https://i.postimg.cc/B60K0ksj/6-D1-D5-EE4-5-E1-C-41-FF-804-E-3-F2-A3074-C50-A.jpg



Edit: that toxic manure put back into our soils becomes beautiful vegetables and crops to feed livestock. Natures perfect circle!

[monty]

[quote]what I look at is the toxic manure going back into our soils and posioning aquifers,[/quoute]

https://www.sacbee.com/news/state/california/article95534497.html

http://www.sssampling.cn/down/2017Shrestha-Annals%20GIS.pdf

Commercial fertizers poisoned the aquifers in the central valley of California years ago. By the way, where does all the toxic human waste go.

[singular_me]

you have no idea of what you talk about... here is another example of the insanity of greed. Man is not above nature and never will be. Freedom only exists within the "parameters of the all that is". Neglect the Whole and we become slaves.

Either we cooperate with nature and abandon the profit mindset or we die while destroying our environment... simple

So lets get this right: killing a whale requires lots of cruelty, they do not die fast... to feed foxes and minks suffering in cages for months...

what we do to these animals is being done to us/you on another level.

Norwegian whale meat linked to country’s fur industry March, 2016
In 2015, Norway exported 258 and 1,000 tonnes of fox and mink skins, respectively, to the European Union, with the majority imported by Denmark and Finland.
https://eia-international.org/norwegian-whale-meat-linked-to-countrys-fur-industry/


Norway’s Whaling Program Just Got Even More Controversial
The document shows that more than 113 metric tons of minke whale products—equivalent to about 75 whales—was bought or used by Rogaland Pelsdyrfôrlaget, the largest manufacturer of animal feed for Norway’s fur industry.
https://news.nationalgeographic.com/2016/03/160331-norway-minke-whaling-fur-farms/


Barbarity of Russian fur farms where thousands are slaughtered to make $1m coats and blankets then left to rot in stinking corpse mountain
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3572756/Barbarity-Russian-mink-farms-thousands-slaughtered-make-1m-sable-coats-blankets-left-rot-stinking-corpse-mountain.html
https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2016/05/10/09/33D0943D00000578-3572756-image-a-22_1462867933298.jpg

yep, the horrors of the ever growing economy know no bounds... we can throw millions of baby chicks into the grinder alive and by capitalist standards it is just fine... trash and dispose of life however you want... really???

It is funny because most people react like you, despite the countless facts, they still defend a destructive system, blaming corporations, politicians, money changers... they remain blind to the "self-responsibility" argument and help justify more plunder. Man is the custodian of Earth, his duty is to protect life instead of competing for personal wealth. This 3min animated short is very sadly right on.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SdZHvMhNnHE



Fantastic idea! This thinking was successfully applied in Soviet Union, people did realize that the wealth that ZERO profit system provided was indeed an illusion, and the environmental destruction was on a phenomenal level!

LETS TRY IT AGAIN! ;D

[singular_me]

thats the last one for today, it is soooo sickening... our system cannot be rescued, we must abandon it while it is still possible

How To Waste $28 Billion On Animal Experimentation
A 2015 analysis concluded that as much as 89 percent of animal studies could not be reproduced, a fundamental step used to confirm the validity of scientific results. This amounts to a staggering $28 billion wasted every year…. https://thehill.com/blogs/congress-blog/healthcare/320146-the-nih-should-review-its-misguided-spending-priorities

(nov 2018)US government to go ahead with fatal experiments on dogs… The US government has decided to press ahead with controversial experiments on dogs, despite critics in congress and elsewhere attacking them as cruel and unnecessary…. Researchers running the experiments will remove sections of the dogs’ brains that control breathing, sever spinal cords to test cough reflexes and implant pacemakers before triggering abnormal heart rhythms. All the dogs involved will ultimately be euthanised. … But when asked what medical progress had come about because of dog testing, the agency’s spokesman could only point to breakthroughs which date back to the 1960s.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/dogs-experiments-veterans-affairs-us-government-fatal-animal-congress-a8616861.html

SO WHY ARE THE STILL USING ANIMALS... BECAUSE THERE IS AN OVERPRODUCTION, OVERBREEDING CAUSING LOT OF LIVING WASTE... THE $55 BILLION PET MARKET IS TOO HUGE TO FAIL. DESPITE THE FACT THAT ANIMAL STUDIES DO NOT WORK

THE REAL SOLUTION: As the video explains briefly, animal studies and experimentation are a huge failure considering the animal death toll . One pertinent question comes to mind though: aren’t all the drug’s harmful side effects linked to the failure of the animal model? How far fetched is this question?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mg2fJ0UBj_0

[Neuro]

^Obviously there is no reason to attempt discussing with Goldie, as she has totally lost connection with reality.

The basis of a discussion is that the participants reply to each others arguments, when the reply is in no way related to the argument it isn’t a discussion any longer. It is an exercise in absurdity.

Goldies employer should find professional help for her, and stop paying for the words she writes here. She is not healthy.

[singular_me]

yes dismiss the facts.... to suit your for-profit diatribe and because you cannot grasp the very nature of Reality :)

you hear it, saying that Man is the custodian of Earth, his duty is to protect life instead of competing for personal wealth... is insane. Truth is insane. Sorry, Truth is a destroyer of all the lies we live in... sure it is scary but time to act upon



^Obviously there is no reason to attempt discussing with Goldie, as she has totally lost connection with reality.

The basis of a discussion is that the participants reply to each others arguments, when the reply is in no way related to the argument it isn’t a discussion any longer. It is an exercise in absurdity.

Goldies employer should find professional help for her, and stop paying for the words she writes here. She is not healthy.

[Jewboo]

^Obviously there is no reason to attempt discussing with Goldie, as she has totally lost connection with reality.

https://i.4pcdn.org/pol/1425150567852s.jpg

We need her though. Goldie is the only female here.

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[Neuro]

https://i.4pcdn.org/pol/1425150567852s.jpg

We need her though. Goldie is the only female here.


Probably, my job is done though. Good bye!

[Horn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hySPvopCac