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Ares
26th October 2015, 06:46 PM
Update: According to reports in on Monday evening, the USS Lassen has indeed sailed within 12 nautical miles of China's islands in the Spratlys.

As WSJ notes, "an American defense official confirmed Monday that the U.S. Navy ship navigated through the waters around at least one of the land masses to which China lays claim within the Spratly chain of islands in the South China Sea, crossing an area that China maintains is part of its sovereign territory."

WSJ also reiterates that this isn't likely to be a one-off event. As noted below, most "experts" believe that in order for this to be effective from a deterrence standpoint, the US will need to step up the patrols, presumably in an effort to prove to Beijing that the Pentagon is "serious", whatever that means in this context.

The ball is now squarely in China's court. The PLA has already promised to "stand up and use force" in the event its territorial sovereignty is violated. The question now is whether Beijing will back down and concede that "sovereignty" somehow means something different with regard to the islands than it does with respect to the mainland or whether Xi will stick to his guns (no pun intended) and take a pot shot at a US destroyer.

Earlier:

For anyone who might still be somehow unaware, the US is currently in a superpower staring match with both Russia and China. The conflict in Syria has put Moscow back on the geopolitical map (so to speak), creating an enormous amount of tension with Washington whose regional allies have been left to look on in horror as Russian airstrikes and an Iranian ground incursion dash hopes of ousting President Bashar al-Assad.

Meanwhile, in The South China Sea, Beijing has built 3,000 acres of new sovereign territory atop reefs in the Spratlys and although the reclamation effort itself isn’t unique, the scope of it most certainly is and Washington’s friends in the South Pacific are crying foul.

Beijing has continually insisted that it doesn’t intend to use the islands as military outposts, but the construction of runways and ports seems to tell a different story and so, Washington felt compelled to check things out over the summer by sending a Poseidon spy plane complete with a CNN crew to the area. Once the PLA spotted the plane the situation escalated quickly with the Chinese Navy telling US pilots to “Go Now!”

After that, an intense war of words developed with Defense Secretary Ash Carter insisting that the US would sail and fly anywhere it pleased and Beijing assuring the US that sailing within 12 nautical miles of the islands would prompt a harsh response from the PLA.

For weeks, the US was rumored to have been planning a freedom of navigation exercise in the Spratlys which, as we’ve pointed out several times this month, amounts to sailing by the islands just to see if China will shoot.

Now, according to CNN, Obama has given the green light and the ships may sail within 24 hours:

And more from FT:

The US navy is poised to start freedom of navigation operations in the South China Sea in a high-stakes effort to push back against Chinese territorial claims over artificial islands in the disputed waters.



In a move that will enrage Beijing, the USS Lassen, a guided-missile destroyer, will sail inside the 12-nautical mile zones of two man-made islands — Subi and Mischief reefs — that China has built in the contested Spratly Island chain. A senior US defence official said it would sail through the area in the early hours of Tuesday morning.



China has repeatedly warned that it would not tolerate any effort to violate what it considers its territory. Earlier this month, a senior Chinese naval officer said the People’s Liberation Army would hand a “head-on blow” to any foreign forces that violated Chinese sovereignty. His comments came after the Financial Times reported that the US was poised to launch its operations.



The manoeuvre will mark the first time since 2012 that the US navy has sailed through the 12-nautical mile zone surrounding any islands claimed by China. It is aimed at demonstrating that Washington does not recognise any territorial claims over artificial islands in the South China Sea.

It's also worth noting that should the US manage to get away with this without sparking a shooting war with the Chinese, it now looks as though Washington is leaning toward making this a regular patrol. Here's a bit of color from Reuters out over the weekend:

A range of security experts said Washington's so-called freedom of navigation patrols would have to be regular to be effective, given Chinese ambitions to project power deep into maritime Southeast Asia and beyond.



"This cannot be a one-off," said Ian Storey, a South China Sea expert at Singapore's Institute of Southeast Asian Studies.



"The U.S. navy will have to conduct these kinds of patrols on a regular basis to reinforce their message."



But China would likely resist attempts to make such U.S. actions routine, some said, raising the political and military stakes. China's navy could for example try to block or attempt to surround U.S. vessels, they said, risking an escalation.


http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user92183/imageroot/2015/10/Lassen_0.png

(USS Lassen)

Here are the latest visuals from Subi and Mischief (the two islands mentioned above):

http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user92183/imageroot/2015/09/Subi_0.png

http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user92183/imageroot/2015/09/Subi4_0.png

http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user92183/imageroot/2015/09/Mischief2_0.png

Not to put too fine a point on it, but this borders on the insane. Here we have both Washington and Beijing risking an outright military confrontation over what amount to a couple of sandcastles and while there's probably some truth to the contention that China has plans for the islands that go beyond growing plants, building lighthouses, and raising pigs, it's not as though the PLA is going to invade The Philippines so at the end of the day, this looks like another example of what Vladimir Putin recently suggested is evidence that the world is losing its collective mind.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-10-26/its-obama-sends-destroyer-chinese-islands-china-vows-military-response

Ponce
26th October 2015, 07:28 PM
China will teach Obama how to put his pants on.......and his undies, once Russia jumps in on the side of China.

V

Spectrism
27th October 2015, 06:08 AM
China will teach Obama how to put his pants on.......and his undies, once Russia jumps in on the side of China.

V


Russia does not work that way. Overt actions only happen when success is highly assured. The last game will require many prepositioned assets first.

Dogman
27th October 2015, 07:21 AM
Got popcorn!

;D

Sent from my Nexus 7

Neuro
27th October 2015, 08:14 AM
You could argue that China has greater rights to these Islands, more so than any other land they are in possession of, because they were the creators of these islands, which should trump conquered lands or lands conquered by your ancestors. In a way what they are doing though is changing the realities on the sea. Akin to what the Jews did in Palestine, on the ground, which I don't think the US ever objected much too...

Horn
27th October 2015, 08:32 AM
I'm sure Filipinos and others in the region don't appreciate China building sand castles on their doorstep.

Maybe the U.S. is planning on building its own right next door?

gunny highway
27th October 2015, 09:00 AM
This is just another example of the US fucking with people. There is no need to provoke China but that is exactly what it appears we are doing. Fucking idiots run this country.

Spectrism
27th October 2015, 09:59 AM
You could argue that China has greater rights to these Islands, more so than any other land they are in possession of, because they were the creators of these islands, which should trump conquered lands or lands conquered by your ancestors. In a way what they are doing though is changing the realities on the sea. Akin to what the Jews did in Palestine, on the ground, which I don't think the US ever objected much too...


It is not the land they are seeking to control. It is a giant expansion of their territorial waters. It allows them to control access to the waters and airspace. It is an imperialistic reach into other nation's waters.

mick silver
27th October 2015, 10:01 AM
did we tell them to stop also ... Palm Islands are two artificial islands (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artificial_island), Palm Jumeirah (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palm_Jumeirah) and Palm Jebel Ali (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palm_Jebel_Ali), on the coast of Dubai (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dubai), United Arab Emirates (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Arab_Emirates). As of November 2014, only Palm Jumeirah has been completed. This island takes the form of a palm tree, topped by a crescent. When complete, Palm Jebel Ali will take a similar shape; both islands will be host to a large number of residential, leisure and entertainment centres and will add a total of 520 kilometres of non-public beaches to the city of Dubai. The creation of the Palm Jumeirah (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Palm_Jumeirah) began in June 2001. Shortly after, the Palm Jebel Ali was announced and reclamation work began. A third island was planned and construction started, but this project was later remodelled and renamed to Deira Island (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deira_Island).

mick silver
27th October 2015, 10:04 AM
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Modern projects[edit (https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Artificial_island&action=edit&section=3)]Netherlands[edit (https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Artificial_island&action=edit&section=4)]In 1969, the Flevopolder (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flevopolder) in the Netherlands (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netherlands) was finished, as part of the Zuiderzee Works (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zuiderzee_Works). It has a total land surface of 970 km², which makes it by far the largest artificial island by land reclamation in the world. The island consists of two polders (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polder) Eastern Flevoland and Southern Flevoland. Together with the Noordoostpolder (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noordoostpolder) these form Flevoland (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flevoland), the 12th province of the Netherlands, which completely consists of reclaimed land.
Qatar[edit (https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Artificial_island&action=edit&section=5)]The Pearl-Qatar (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Pearl-Qatar) is in the north of the Qatari Capital Doha (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doha), home to a range of residential, commercial and tourism activities. Qanat Quartier (https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Qanat_Quartier&action=edit&redlink=1) is designed to be a 'Virtual Venice (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venice) in the Middle East'.
Dubai, UAE[edit (https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Artificial_island&action=edit&section=6)]Dubai (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dubai) is home to several artificial island projects. They include the Palm Islands (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palm_Islands) projects (Palm Jumeirah (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palm_Jumeirah), Palm Jebel Ali (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palm_Jebel_Ali), and Palm Deira (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palm_Deira)); and The World (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_World_(archipelago)), The Universe (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Universe_(Dubai)) and the Dubai Waterfront (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dubai_Waterfront). Of all these, only the Palm Jumeirah (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palm_Jumeirah) is complete and inhabited so far. Also, the Burj Al Arab (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burj_Al_Arab) is on its own artificial island.[7] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artificial_island#cite_note-7) The Universe (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Universe_(Dubai)), Palm Jebel Ali (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palm_Jebel_Ali), Dubai Waterfront (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dubai_Waterfront), and Palm Deira (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palm_Deira) are on hold.
China[edit (https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Artificial_island&action=edit&section=7)]Main article: Great wall of sand (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_wall_of_sand)
China (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China) has conducted a land reclamation project which had built at least seven artificial islands in the South China Sea (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_China_Sea) totaling 2000 acres in size by mid 2015.[8] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artificial_island#cite_note-8) One artificial island built on Fiery Cross Reef (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiery_Cross_Reef) near the Spratly Islands (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spratly_Islands) is now the site of a military barracks, lookout tower and a runway long enough to handle Chinese military aircraft.[9] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artificial_island#cite_note-9)
Airports[edit (https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Artificial_island&action=edit&section=8)]Kansai International Airport (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kansai_International_Airport) is the first airport to be built completely on an artificial island in 1994, followed by Chūbu Centrair International Airport (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ch%C5%ABbu_Centrair_International_Airport) in 2005 and the New Kitakyushu Airport (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Kitakyushu_Airport) and Kobe Airport (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kobe_Airport) in 2006. When Hong Kong International Airport (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hong_Kong_International_Airport) opened in 1998, 75% of the property was created using Land reclamation (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Land_reclamation) upon the existing islands of Chek Lap Kok (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chek_Lap_Kok) and Lam Chau (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lam_Chau).
Gallery[edit (https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Artificial_island&action=edit&section=9)]

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fd/Kansai_closeup.jpg/180px-Kansai_closeup.jpg (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Kansai_closeup.jpg)

A view of Kansai International Airport (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kansai_International_Airport) from space



https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/06/Palm_Island_Resort.jpg/180px-Palm_Island_Resort.jpg (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Palm_Island_Resort.jpg)

Palm Jumeirah (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palm_Jumeirah) in Dubai (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dubai)



https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b8/Palm_jumeirah_core.jpg/180px-Palm_jumeirah_core.jpg (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Palm_jumeirah_core.jpg)

A more close up view of the Palm Jumeirah (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palm_Jumeirah)



https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Northstar_Offshore_Island_Beaufort_Sea.jpg/180px-Northstar_Offshore_Island_Beaufort_Sea.jpg (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Northstar_Offshore_Island_Beaufort_Sea.jpg)

Northstar Island (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northstar_Island), an artificial island for oil drilling in the Beaufort Sea (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beaufort_Sea)




Political status[edit (https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Artificial_island&action=edit&section=10)]Under the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Convention_on_the_Law_of_the_Sea) treaty (UNCLOS), artificial islands are not considered harbor works (Article 11) and are under the jurisdiction of the nearest coastal state if within 200 nautical miles (370 km) (Article 56).[10] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artificial_island#cite_note-10) Artificial islands are not considered islands for purposes of having their own territorial waters or exclusive economic zones, and only the coastal state may authorize their construction (Article 60); however, on the high seas (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_seas) beyond national jurisdiction, any "state" may construct artificial islands (Article 87).

madfranks
27th October 2015, 10:18 AM
This is just another example of the US fucking with people. There is no need to provoke China but that is exactly what it appears we are doing. Fucking idiots run this country.

The US is utterly incapable of minding it's own business. It unashamedly meddles in every other country's business. It's sickening!

Horn
27th October 2015, 10:24 AM
The US is utterly incapable of minding it's own business. It unashamedly meddles in every other country's business. It's sickening!

If it were any other country (like China) in U.S. position it would be more than just meddling, it would be a permanent marriage.

Like a well maintained manmade island in your backyard.

ximmy
27th October 2015, 10:52 AM
American will continue to have its ass handed to itself as it becomes irrelevant and declines in worldview.

Neuro
27th October 2015, 11:48 AM
It is not the land they are seeking to control. It is a giant expansion of their territorial waters. It allows them to control access to the waters and airspace. It is an imperialistic reach into other nation's waters.
Yeah I said that too, akin to what Jews did in Palestine... ;)

Spectrism
27th October 2015, 02:42 PM
Yeah I said that too, akin to what Jews did in Palestine... ;)

Jews? What jews? Most of them (in israel-land) are immigrants... tribes of the north.

Shami-Amourae
27th October 2015, 03:13 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a3b1cqwcyWM

Shami-Amourae
27th October 2015, 03:18 PM
But yet with all of this inflamed tensions between the U.S. and China, now O"DUMBASS is going to let THREE Chinese WARSHIPS dock in Florida during the first week of November. I have always said that our U.S. Military would never turn on American Citizens but foreign troops will and Odumbass is bringing them here AND making it easy ....just dock right up in Florida.

http://news.usni.org/2015/10/22/chinese-warships-to-make-naval-station-mayport-port-visit-amidst-south-china-sea-tension

Horn
27th October 2015, 04:27 PM
http://opiniojuris.org/wp-content/uploads/China-claims-Paracel-Spratly-Islands-11.jpg

mick silver
28th October 2015, 11:09 AM
South China Sea: U.S. Sovereignty Challenge Provokes Anger In Beijing
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/south-china-sea-us-sovereignty-challenge-provokes-anger-in-beijing_562f5d72e4b06317990f42fa?uatw3ik9