The Controversy between the Adherents of Apollonius the Nazarene & Jesus

[BarnkleBob]

What really happened ¿/?


Part 1:

http://www.mountainman.com.au/Apollonius_the_Nazarene_1.htm

Part 2:

http://www.mountainman.com.au/Apollonius_the_Nazarene_2.htm

Part 3:

http://www.mountainman.com.au/Apollonius_the_Nazarene_3.htm

[Shami-Amourae]

Your links are broken, goy.

I fixed them for you:

Part 1:
http://www.mountainman.com.au/Apollonius_the_Nazarene_1.htm

Part 2:
http://www.mountainman.com.au/Apollonius_the_Nazarene_2.htm

Part 3:
http://www.mountainman.com.au/Apollonius_the_Nazarene_3.htm

[singular_me]

always interested in learning something about the Essenes, or early Christians, and the pre-mason emperor Constantine

no time to read now but will this week yet

[7th trump]

Funny how these made up "Christ is a myth" stories come out of the wood work in great detail, but yet the Bible doesn't have its original manuscripts and they are digging up ancient cities that are in the Bible to confirm the bible.
Heck theres even a youtube video taken inside Saudi Arabia that confirms Moses's exodus with great detail that anyone watching it couldn't walk away not a believer. All hidden and behind fences that Saudi Arabia doesn't want out.

[.41Dave]

Funny how these made up "Christ is a myth" stories come out of the wood work in great detail, but yet the Bible doesn't have its original manuscripts and they are digging up ancient cities that are in the Bible to confirm the bible.
Heck theres even a youtube video taken inside Saudi Arabia that confirms Moses's exodus with great detail that anyone watching it couldn't walk away not a believer. All hidden and behind fences that Saudi Arabia doesn't want out.

Why would Saudi Arabia want to hide evidence that proves Moses' exodus?

[7th trump]

Why would Saudi Arabia want to hide evidence that proves Moses' exodus?

Good question, but I'm leaning that since that country is a muslim country it would upset the apple cart proving that muhammed was just a land pirate murdering thug.
And I wouldnt doubt that the king of saudi is nothing more than a jew anyway. Both the muslims and the jews dislike the Christians so why would they help Christ along...both do not believe in Christ.
Dont forget that in these last days the Christians will be persecuted to no end. Omitting vital information about Christianity is persecution.

[.41Dave]

Good question, but I'm leaning that since that country is a muslim country it would upset the apple cart proving that muhammed was just a land pirate murdering thug.
And I wouldnt doubt that the king of saudi is nothing more than a jew anyway. Both the muslims and the jews dislike the Christians so why would they help Christ along...both do not believe in Christ.
Dont forget that in these last days the Christians will be persecuted to no end. Omitting vital information about Christianity is persecution.

Given that the story of Moses' exodus is told in both the old testament and in the Qur'an, I'm pretty sure proof of the validity of Moses' exodus would leave the apple cart firmly on solid ground with nary an apple spilled as far as both Muslims and Jews were concerned. The idea that Muslims (or Jews, in case the Saudi royals are Jews) would benefit from concealing historical or physical evidence of the reality of Moses' exodus and somehow are persecuting Christianity by doing so is silly. All three faiths would point to such evidence as proof of their own faith's validity. As far as these being the last days, most of the persecuting so far seems to be directed toward non-Christians at the moment, with many non-Christians being persecuted almost constantly via drones, hellfire missiles and other sorts of ordinance fired by American "Christians". I'm not saying that TPTB won't eventually get around to droning helpless Christians, but it seems like they've decided that gullible Christians make useful foot soldiers for the elimination of other faiths first.

"He that would make his own liberty secure, must guard even his enemy from oppression; for if he violates this duty, he establishes a precedent that will reach to himself."

Thomas Paine

Americans are ignoring this sage advice from one of our Founding Fathers, at our extreme peril.

[Ponce]

I don't believe in religion but in the good of man........but.........I can see that someone (guess who) is trying to destroy the religion of many........and guess who destroyed our holiday of Dic 25?, Now those people (Zionist) are training the Americans to fight each other for this and that.

V

[7th trump]

Given that the story of Moses' exodus is told in both the old testament and in the Qur'an, I'm pretty sure proof of the validity of Moses' exodus would leave the apple cart firmly on solid ground with nary an apple spilled as far as both Muslims and Jews were concerned. The idea that Muslims (or Jews, in case the Saudi royals are Jews) would benefit from concealing historical or physical evidence of the reality of Moses' exodus and somehow are persecuting Christianity by doing so is silly. All three faiths would point to such evidence as proof of their own faith's validity. As far as these being the last days, most of the persecuting so far seems to be directed toward non-Christians at the moment, with many non-Christians being persecuted almost constantly via drones, hellfire missiles and other sorts of ordinance fired by American "Christians". I'm not saying that TPTB won't eventually get around to droning helpless Christians, but it seems like they've decided that gullible Christians make useful foot soldiers for the elimination of other faiths first.

"He that would make his own liberty secure, must guard even his enemy from oppression; for if he violates this duty, he establishes a precedent that will reach to himself."

Thomas Paine

Americans are ignoring this sage advice from one of our Founding Fathers, at our extreme peril.

Wow.......some just like having blinders on.

This is why I seldom reply.

[Hitch]

Wow.......some just like having blinders on.

This is why I seldom reply.

What? You seem to reply all the time. Constantly. Reply in a very non Christian manner, as well. You should actually reply less.

[Neuro]

Wow.......I just like having blinders on.

This is why I seldom reply with anything essential.
Fixed it for you!

[7th trump]

Fixed it for you!

haha very funny....but its you who has the blinders on comrade rusky.

Your ignorance gets in your way and what you perceive as anger is just your stupidity to understand.

[7th trump]

What? You seem to reply all the time. Constantly. Reply in a very non Christian manner, as well. You should actually reply less.

Really?
So I guess you are the brain washed one to think Christians must be passive and turn the other cheek when attacked?

You'll be surprised when you find out just how wrong you are.

[Neuro]

haha very funny....but its you who has the blinders on comrade rusky.

Your ignorance gets in your way and what you perceive as anger is just your stupidity to understand.
Ridiculous little self righteous man...

[.41Dave]

Wow.......some just like having blinders on.

This is why I seldom reply.

Please explain how hiding evidence of Moses' exodus benefits either Muslims or Jews given that the story is found in both of their books?

Please explain how Christians are being persecuted when Christians are the ones dropping all the ordinance on desperately poor people in remote areas?

Please explain how Thomas Paine is wrong in his assertion that failure to protect others from oppression, even one's enemies will result in setting a precedent that will ultimately be used against you and result in your own oppression?

Refusing to make a reasoned argument and then accusing people of having "blinders on" indicates that you simply have no reasoned argument to make and are trying to avoid the discussion you started.

[7th trump]

Ridiculous little self righteous man...
I consider the source....you're not the person you make yourself out to be...........dishonest and wouldn't know righteousness if it smacked you upside the head which is most likely going to happen. Hopefully with a club to get your humble attention.

You think Christians are to be passive and pussy's huh?
Just wait until Christ returns fool...its ass kicking time.


Arent you in a soviet block country?
Yep....you are.
Doesn't surprise me at all with your attitude towards anything American or Christian

[7th trump]

Please explain how hiding evidence of Moses' exodus benefits either Muslims or Jews given that the story is found in both of their books?

Please explain how Christians are being persecuted when Christians are the ones dropping all the ordinance on desperately poor people in remote areas?

Please explain how Thomas Paine is wrong in his assertion that failure to protect others from oppression, even one's enemies will result in setting a precedent that will ultimately be used against you and result in your own oppression?

Refusing to make a reasoned argument and then accusing people of having "blinders on" indicates that you simply have no reasoned argument to make and are trying to avoid the discussion you started.

Christians dropping bombs huh?
Show me one Christian dropping bombs on those satanic muslims. Last I knew it was a certain group of people in the white house doing that.
Show me where Christians are slicing heads off muslims or anyone else for the cause of religion (and not the old crusades...get real and intelligent as I'm talking about current affairs...for Christ sakes)
Thomas Paine.....who gives a fuck....I didn't bring that guy into this so stop injecting bullshit drama into Christians being prosecuted.
Why do you drama type people even breath?
Any wonder I will not reply to your stupidity..........you cant even stay focused without injecting bullshit?

[Ponce]

Most of the Bible comes from elsewhere.....seek and thou shall find.

V

[Hitch]

Really?
So I guess you are the brain washed one to think Christians must be passive and turn the other cheek when attacked?

You'll be surprised when you find out just how wrong you are.

You seem to be the one who picks fights and attacks others on the forum. That isn't Christian like.

You know 7th...ximmy is right about you.

[.41Dave]

Christians dropping bombs huh?
Show me one Christian dropping bombs on those satanic muslims. Last I knew it was a certain group of people in the white house doing that.

The majority of the US population identifies as Christian, including service members. Therefore, logically most of the people firing the weapons consider themselves Christian.


Show me where Christians are slicing heads off muslims or anyone else for the cause of religion (and not the old crusades...get real and intelligent as I'm talking about current affairs...for Christ sakes)

They don't need to slice heads off, when blowing them apart with high explosives is so much more efficient. As for religious reasons, I personally know people who joined the military to kill scary foreigners for Christ. The far-right hero Chris Kyle certainly wrapped himself in the flag and cross.


Thomas Paine.....who gives a fuck....I didn't bring that guy into this so stop injecting bullshit drama into Christians being prosecuted.
Why do you drama type people even breath?
Any wonder I will not reply to your stupidity..........you cant even stay focused without injecting bullshit?

You brought persecution (and by extension, it's synonym, oppression) into the discussion. Thomas Paine's quote is very relevant to that part of the discussion. It's a pity you are unwilling or incapable of defending your position with reasoned argument or rational discussion, but instead feel the need to resort to name calling and emotional outbursts. I replied because I found your position that the Muslims/Jews were hiding evidence of Moses' exodus and that this was evidence of oppression of Christians interesting. I'd hoped there was some reasoned position behind your assertions, but your inability to respond to any question or counter argument with anything resembling a rational statement indicates that your beliefs in this matter are informed by nothing more than irrational fear and likely, Zionist media programming.

[singular_me]

there are many truths in the bible but it remains nonetheless written by man and over 400 years time frame. Makes no sense to believe that everybody involved in its draft was a saint... and anyone who understands the meaning POWER shouldnt take it as the absolute truth.

I only recognize the Christ Consciousness (not the character but the message) and which pretty well explained in the bible although buried in parables and allegories that masses do not even comprehend. It is nonetheless a master piece in the sense that everyone can make sense of it and interpret it as his own level... that is why religions do not resolve anything and never will. Divide and rule.



Most of the Bible comes from elsewhere.....seek and thou shall find.

V

[Neuro]

I consider the source....you're not the person you make yourself out to be...........dishonest and wouldn't know righteousness if it smacked you upside the head which is most likely going to happen. Hopefully with a club to get your humble attention.

You think Christians are to be passive and pussy's huh?
Just wait until Christ returns fool... its ass kicking time.


Arent you in a soviet block country?
Yep....you are.
Doesn't surprise me at all with your attitude towards anything American or Christian
Sweden was never in the Soviet block. And you are not a Christian! You are a judgemental fool, who merely interprets the bible as it suits you and your agenda! Everyone here can see through you!

[7th trump]

Sweden was never in the Soviet block. And you are not a Christian! You are a judgemental fool, who merely interprets the bible as it suits you and your agenda! Everyone here can see through you!

Your logic is asinine.
If God says all gays will go to hell and I recite that same thing....some how some way in your ignorant foolish logic I'm not a Christian.

[Neuro]

Your logic is asinine.
If God says all gays will go to hell and I recite that same thing....some how some way in your ignorant foolish logic I'm not a Christian.
God told you that Hell was a burning garbage dump outside of Jerusalem, some how you didn't believe him? Where did you get your information of hell from?

[Neuro]

God told you that Hell was a burning garbage dump outside of Jerusalem, some how you didn't believe him? Where did you get your information of hell from?
Trump?

[7th trump]

God told you that Hell was a burning garbage dump outside of Jerusalem, some how you didn't believe him? Where did you get your information of hell from?

Its in the Bible...just read it.......heck a child can understand it...why cant you?
Ohhh thats right your another one who doesnt believe in God but plays a real good scam on being a Christian...a fake play actor.
Maybe you cant understand because your that far away from God. Most egotistical assholes dont know they are that far away from God....just look at ximmy...shes the biggest offender here when it comes to attacking people.....and everyone with half a brain knows this about her...shes been called out for it by other women on this board...........and notice she doesnt have female friends? Thats how far gone you people are...claim your above the rest of the population but you are really just like them in reality.


Hell is describes as a garbage dump that smolders just like it used to be outside of Jerusalem.
When the pit is opened and He throws in all the losers it'll be similar to that garbage pit. The pit is just a place that doesnt exist yet, not until God opens it up, that all the non overcomers go to be destroyed (uncreated), they will be consumed from within with fire....gone!

Isnt that fitting...a garbage pit for the garbage individuals......quite a few are going in for their demise. The overcomers and victims of the crimes these losers committed get to watch them being destroyed.

[Neuro]

Its in the Bible...just read it.......heck a child can understand it...why cant you?
Ohhh thats right your another one who doesnt believe in God but plays a real good scam on being a Christian...a fake play actor.
Maybe you cant understand because your that far away from God. Most egotistical assholes dont know they are that far away from God....
I wish God was closer to me, do you?

[7th trump]

I wish God was closer to me, do you?

If that's what you wish.

[Hitch]

Most egotistical assholes dont know they are that far away from God....just look at ximmy...shes the biggest offender here when it comes to attacking people.....and everyone with half a brain knows this about her...shes been called out for it by other women on this board...........and notice she doesnt have female friends? Thats how far gone you people are...claim your above the rest of the population but you are really just like them in reality.

7th, you need to read ximmy's post in this thread:

Post number 23.

http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?85709-The-definition-of-sin&p=797375#post797375

Now, you are accusing her of living immorally and not having a relationship with God. That's slander, publicly on this forum. Here's a quote from her post: (I've highlighted in bold the things you should pay attention to, in regards to yourself.)

Put to death, therefore, whatever belongs to your earthly nature: sexual immorality, impurity, lust, evil desires and greed, which is idolatry. Because of these, the wrath of God is coming.You used to walk in these ways, in the life you once lived. But now you must also rid yourselves of all such things as these: anger, rage, malice, slander, and filthy language from your lips. Do not lie to each other, since you have taken off your old self with its practices and have put on the new self, which is being renewed in knowledge in the image of its Creator. (Col. 3:5-10)

[7th trump]

7th, you need to read ximmy's post in this thread:

Post number 23.

http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?85709-The-definition-of-sin&p=797375#post797375

Now, you are accusing her of living immorally and not having a relationship with God. That's slander, publicly on this forum. Here's a quote from her post: (I've highlighted in bold the things you should pay attention to, in regards to yourself.)

Put to death, therefore, whatever belongs to your earthly nature: sexual immorality, impurity, lust, evil desires and greed, which is idolatry. Because of these, the wrath of God is coming.You used to walk in these ways, in the life you once lived. But now you must also rid yourselves of all such things as these: anger, rage, malice, slander, and filthy language from your lips. Do not lie to each other, since you have taken off your old self with its practices and have put on the new self, which is being renewed in knowledge in the image of its Creator. (Col. 3:5-10)
That's hilarious Hitch

Let me get this straight.
Ximmy the atheist telling me about morality................huh?

Most of the time I call people fools...because that's what they are.
I'm not angry at all.
Never get rage....but that's what people like Ximmy and Jewbo enjoy painting a picture about me (she lies).
Haven't slandered anyone except maybe Palani (he deserves it because he liar as well and wont give straight answers).

And you fail to realize it was Ximmy who stepped in a thread unannounced and attacked first....so by doing the gloves came off. but if you want to be a jack ass about this go ahead its no skin off my back.......I'm not your stereo typical Christian your fooled into thinking all Christians should be....I'm not the brain washed one............you are.



Just wait theres an ass kicking coming. The 144,000 elect are already here on earth. Just waiting for all of them to get up to speed with God.
Yeah dumb ass the elect are born clueless just like the rest....they have to come up to speed. not all of them are the same age nor come from the same country. They are scattered all over the earth.
But I don't expect you to know this because you are too busy playing games with Ximmy (the atheist, an enemy of God, don't think so just watch her play her games and attack those who speak out for God. And you thought you had a clue.....SUCKER!).

[7th trump]

The majority of the US population identifies as Christian, including service members. Therefore, logically most of the people firing the weapons consider themselves Christian.



They don't need to slice heads off, when blowing them apart with high explosives is so much more efficient. As for religious reasons, I personally know people who joined the military to kill scary foreigners for Christ. The far-right hero Chris Kyle certainly wrapped himself in the flag and cross.



You brought persecution (and by extension, it's synonym, oppression) into the discussion. Thomas Paine's quote is very relevant to that part of the discussion. It's a pity you are unwilling or incapable of defending your position with reasoned argument or rational discussion, but instead feel the need to resort to name calling and emotional outbursts. I replied because I found your position that the Muslims/Jews were hiding evidence of Moses' exodus and that this was evidence of oppression of Christians interesting. I'd hoped there was some reasoned position behind your assertions, but your inability to respond to any question or counter argument with anything resembling a rational statement indicates that your beliefs in this matter are informed by nothing more than irrational fear and likely, Zionist media programming.
Still cant answer the question can you?
Show me where a Christian army is slicing heads off nonchristians for the purpose of religion?

Saudi Arabia is hiding evidence. And you have jews running Saudi Arabia. They don't want it out to the public.
If it does then it proves Christ is real and the muslims don't want that coming out because that confirms Christianity who they are currently slicing heads off
Boy are you a dunce!

[Dogman]

As fully recorded in history, more people possibly have been killed in the name of Christ/Christianity than all friggen wars since the dawn of recorded history. The Roman catholic church or empire back in the day does have major blood on their hands from the days of Constantine.

No other religion, is so bloody !

Ever !

Look at the blood that has been shed and being shredded even today in the name of the same god..

Plus just look at all the love and brotherly love shown on this forum between so called believers.

;D

[Jewboo]

"Ximmy the atheist..."



Slander and defamation.


:rolleyes:











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7th Trump attacking Ximmy

[BarnkleBob]

Its always the same gatekeepers providing plenty of disinformation, misinformation & distractions from discussing the serious subject matter. The historical record evidences that Apollonius was a very wise & educated cosmopolitan man, it further indicates that the Council of Nicea created the mythical Jesus/Hesus based upon the life of Apollonius.

Hence a great controversy exists even unto this day. A controversy that stirs the hearts & minds of Xian & Catholic apologists....

The records speak for themselves, Apollonius was a real individual, while outside of the biblical record, there is no evidence that Jesus/Hesus ever walked the planet.

Dont fall into the deceptions of the gatekeepers!


Part 1: The Historical Apollonius Versus the Mythical Jesus

http://www.mountainman.com.au/Apollonius_the_Nazarene_1.htm

Part 2: Similarities Between Apollonius and Jesus

http://www.mountainman.com.au/Apollonius_the_Nazarene_2.htm

Part 3: The Controversy Between Adherents of Apollonius and Jesus

http://www.mountainman.com.au/Apollonius_the_Nazarene_3.htm

[singular_me]

Part 1: The Historical Apollonius Versus the Mythical Jesus
Aware that the old religion of Rome was in a state of advanced decay and was daily losing its hold on the people, while the persecuted cult of the Essenes, or early Christians, in spite of all the efforts to suppress it through the most bloody and inhuman means, continued to thrive and win the increasing respect of the masses, the Church Fathers, themselves previously pagans whose hands were stained with the blood of those from whom they stole their religion, saw that by adopting Christianity (in a revised form) they could take advantage of the popular prestige created by the martyrdom of the early Christian saints, and at the same time win the support of Constantine, who, in being converted to the Christian faith, could cover up his own past crimes, gain increased public favor and extend and consolidate his empire.

will we ever get rid of associating blood/martyrdom with righteousness ???


this first part is a very good read.

[singular_me]

I agree but the problem is when one takes this stance one systematically becomes a one world religion proponent... well, so I guess we need more bloody religious wars then



As fully recorded in history, more people possibly have been killed in the name of Christ/Christianity than all friggen wars since the dawn of recorded history. The Roman catholic church or empire back in the day does have major blood on their hands from the days of Constantine.

No other religion, is so bloody !

Ever !

Look at the blood that has been shed and being shredded even today in the name of the same god..

Plus just look at all the love and brotherly love shown on this forum between so called believers.

;D

[Dogman]

I agree but the problem is when one takes this stance one systematically becomes a one world religion proponent... well, so I guess we need more bloody religious wars then Real founded beliefs that are well founded to anyone with a mind that looks for themselves and not accepting what a man made one that most hold dear. That was founded during one of the most bloody time in European history before ww2 the over all picture is yes.

Do we need any more religions ...Hell No !

Religions are good because they give a fundamental lesson on how humans can live together, which sorta works but with flaws.

In my mind historically up to the present is to much dam blood has been spilled for or in the name of religion!

But at base fact it is funny that all major religions on this mud ball we call earth and home have and share the same dam story at their roots, just different ways to say that story.

But it is the same lessons and theme overall.

Amazing.

But not !

Most are near sighted and rely on what they are told and their frame of mind was set in a early age, sorta is my parents told me it is true so it must be true..

Total bullshit!

No one thinks in the overview, when it comes to what people on this planet believe, they are so frigging comfortable and self righteous because they believe what they were told from birth to present that they are blind, and trapped into the narrow view and for dam sure can not see or get a hint of the bigger picture..

Is there a superior being (god) = hell yes

Does any established religion have a lock on that god = Hell no !

Mankind is too narrow sighted and bigoted to see the truth..


Just like old faction blinders that are put on horses to limit their view only to what is straight ahead..




Hoot !

;D

[.41Dave]

Still cant answer the question can you?
Show me where a Christian army is slicing heads off nonchristians for the purpose of religion?

US military forces are largely viewed as a "Christian army" by their victims. Granted, they do not use blades, largely because blowing people up with high explosives and automatic weapons is much more efficient. Unless you are arguing that somehow one method of killing is inherently more evil than others?


Saudi Arabia is hiding evidence. And you have jews running Saudi Arabia. They don't want it out to the public.
If it does then it proves Christ is real and the muslims don't want that coming out because that confirms Christianity who they are currently slicing heads off
Boy are you a dunce!

So you keep saying, yet you appear incapable of making any statement that supports your claims. HOW does evidence of Moses' exodus disprove Islam or Judaism, or uniquely prove Christianity when all three faiths agree that it happened? Likewise, how does concealing said evidence protect Islam or Judaism, or "persecute" Christians?

I'm coming to the conclusion that you most likely a sad little internet troll with nothing to offer, and a piss-poor exemplar of the faith you claim to hold so dear. Given that I've been slow to come to this conclusion, preferring to attempt rational discussion with you, I may have to allow your statement that I am a dunce, albeit for reasons different from those you claim.

[7th trump]

US military forces are largely viewed as a "Christian army" by their victims. Granted, they do not use blades, largely because blowing people up with high explosives and automatic weapons is much more efficient. Unless you are arguing that somehow one method of killing is inherently more evil than others?



So you keep saying, yet you appear incapable of making any statement that supports your claims. HOW does evidence of Moses' exodus disprove Islam or Judaism, or uniquely prove Christianity when all three faiths agree that it happened? Likewise, how does concealing said evidence protect Islam or Judaism, or "persecute" Christians?

I'm coming to the conclusion that you most likely a sad little internet troll with nothing to offer, and a piss-poor exemplar of the faith you claim to hold so dear. Given that I've been slow to come to this conclusion, preferring to attempt rational discussion with you, I may have to allow your statement that I am a dunce, albeit for reasons different from those you claim.
The US forces are not looked at as a Christian army...where do you get the idea they are?............ the US forces consist of many different religions.

Show any force that is guided by the Bible like ISIS is with their Koran allah akbar bullshit........you cant.....and you keep making up excuses

[BarnkleBob]

US military forces are largely viewed as a "Christian army" by their victims.

Yup.... this is my understanding too!

Source: Muslim interviews & propaghanda...

Call it what you will, but its the clash of civilizations, "Christiandom v Islam." The Muslims water isnt treated with floride, they see it for what it really is, "Jihad," or yet another invasion by the west in a successive line of invasions going back to the Greeks & Romans.

[7th trump]

Yup.... this is my understanding too!

Source: Muslim interviews & propaghanda...

Call it what you will, but its the clash of civilizations, "Christiandom v Islam." The Muslims water isnt treated with floride, they see it for what it really is, "Jihad," or yet another invasion by the west in a successive line of invasions going back to the Greeks & Romans.

The idiot camel jockeys may view it that way but it isnt that way....and if you believe that way you're just as ignorant as they are....if not more.

Fluoride.....LMAO!
Just what does fluoride have to do with anything other than you injecting it into this to further along your agenda that you dont believe in God?
How rich and intelligent of you.............since flouride isnt in their water some how they arent murdering in the name of their god?
How fucking stupid are you?
No, the US forces arent a christian force at all..........they are a government political force.

Hahahahahaha.....how come you dont ridicule the muslims for their murderous acts in the name of god?
Hmmm...........says a lot about you

[BarnkleBob]

And you reduce yourself to ad hominens...

More distractions, misrepresentations, & deceit? The subject matter is Apollonius v Jesus, not holy wars of Xian v Muslim.

The real world isnt faith based, but rather observable & empiricle, with even a history of continuing holy wars that rage to this day. "Onward Xian soldiers" so goes the rallying hymn....!

[singular_me]

Part 2: Similarities Between Apollonius and Jesus

http://www.mountainman.com.au/Apollonius_the_Nazarene_2.htm
The partisans of Apollonius argued that he, being a man, offered humanity a more useful moral example than Jesus, a god, who could only be worshipped, but not imitated, and in comparison with whom Apollonius was as virtuous in every respect, and in some ways more so.

the worshiping and iconic aspects are essential in most, if not all, doctrines, and it is one of the shabby secret of power. If people could understand the power of their minds, they wouldnt fear God but themselves, a realization that would bring about peace.

I keep reading, the case of Appolonius is highly compelling to say the least as it is seriously documented. Difficult to paraphrase though. Everybody must see for oneself.

[StreetsOfGold]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OxXgLkVo7RU

[Jewboo]

And you reduce yourself to ad hominens...

More distractions, misrepresentations, & deceit? The subject matter is Apollonius v Jesus...





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Tell us what you think about jews and "Israel" since you stopped in from GIM2 to post about Jesus.



:rolleyes: ...and maybe say "hi" to Hoarder while you are here since he got banned at GIM2

[Shami-Amourae]

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[BarnkleBob]

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Tell us what you think about jews and "Israel" since you stopped in from GIM2 to post about Jesus.



:rolleyes: ...and maybe say "hi" to Hoarder while you are here since he got banned at GIM2

Its no mystery, I support neither Jews, Joos, Judians, Israelites or Zionists, nor do I support the lands that the Zionist & Khazars stole from the native indigeonous peoples to create the ZOG in Palestine....

As for Hoarder, I had nothing to do with that....

And BTW I do post at several sites around the net discussing various subjects .... The subject matter in this thread was posted to share with one particular GSUS member that would appreciate it...

[Jewboo]

As for Hoarder, I had nothing to do with that....




http://www.goldismoney2.com/showthread.php?84181-Hoarder-banned-!&p=930640&viewfull=1#post930640

You gave a "thanks" supporting his ban.

:rolleyes:

[singular_me]

dont know why but my intuition sent me on a search this morning...

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Origins of the Word “Essene”

The word truly comes from the Egyptian word kashai, which means “secret.” And there is a Jewish word of similar sound, chsahi, meaning “secret” or “silent”; and this word would naturally be translated into essaios or “Essene,” denoting “secret” or “mystic.” Even Josephus found that the Egyptian symbols of light and truth are represented by the word choshen, which transliterates into the Greek as essen. Historical references have been found also wherein the priests of the ancient temples of Ephesus bore the name of Essene. A branch of the organization established by the Greeks translated the word Essene as being derived from the Syrian word asaya, meaning “physician,” into the Greek word therapeutes, having the same meaning.

The Rosicrucian records clearly state that the original word was meant to imply a secret organization, and while most of the members became physicians and healers, the organization was devoted to many other humanitarian practices besides the art of healing, and not all of its members were physicians in any sense................

The branch in Palestine had to contend with the despotism of the rulers of that country and the jealousy of the priesthood. These conditions forced the Essenes in Palestine to hold themselves in greater silence and solitude than they had been accustomed to in Egypt. Before they moved from their small buildings and sacred enclosure at Engaddi, to the ancient buildings on Mount Carmel, their principal activity seemed to be the translation of ancient manuscripts and the preservation of such traditions and records as constituted the foundation of their teachings.

It is recorded that when the time came for them to move from Engaddi to Mount Carmel, their greatest problem was the secret movement of these manuscripts and records. Fortunately for us, they succeeded in preserving the rarest of the manuscripts that came out of Egypt, and in other ways preserved the ancient, traditional stories and teachings. It is from these that we derive most of our knowledge regarding both the Essenes and the G.W.B. A picture of how they lived, and what they believed and taught, undoubtedly constitutes a story of intense interest to all modern students of mysticism and sacred literature.
MORE
http://www.hermatica.com/2015/08/the-mystery-of-the-essenes/

[BarnkleBob]

http://www.goldismoney2.com/showthread.php?84181-Hoarder-banned-!&p=930640&viewfull=1#post930640

You gave a "thanks" supporting his ban.

:rolleyes:

Wrong AGAIN....


"Here's the thing. You are a guest here like everyone else. No one owes you and explanation or has to tell you shit. If don't like it then you know where the door is."

Your simple mind is not even capable of properly comprehending the english language. HTF do you arrive at me either supporting or not supporting a banishment by providing a "Thank You" in the above quotation?

And I'll tell ya, "Its none of your damn business either, Hoarder knows why he was banned, why dont you ask him."

Yea, you really have the world figured out, wrapped up in a tribal conspiracy, but you cannot even comprehend or understand the english language at a 5th grade reading level. Sheesh, and you have all the answers for explaining world history! NO, not even a clue....

[BarnkleBob]

@ Singular..... I must admit that I even question the reliability of Apollonius powers & abilities as referenced by the various historians. There have been many Christ-like figures throughout ancient history.... and supporting political power and the machinery of governance seemingly has been the objective of the creation of these mythical men.

Top 10 Christ-like figures who predate Jesus

http://listverse.com/2009/04/13/10-christ-like-figures-who-pre-date-jesus/

Each mythical personality appears to grow upon the previous myth leading up to the two last projections, Apollonius then Jesus.....

Constantines Xian henchman laid waste of the eastern empires libraries leaving almost no records of the former gods and religions. By state decree on penalty of death, the inhabitants of the empire were forced into Xianity with the Jesus myth serving as the new idol of worship.

The Essenes, various gnostic groups and even the Judians that would not adopt Constantines religious scheme were hunted down and disposed of for non-compliance to the socioreligious/sociopolitical agenda.

Was Jesus a copy of Horus, Mithras, Dionysis and other Pagan Gods

http://beginningandend.com/jesus-copy-horus-mithras-dionysis-pagan-gods/

[singular_me]

I just read about all this with an open mind but will never fall for any messiah theory as there always is a political move behind... though what I read seems to connect a bit with other things I have read in the past.

Just look for the message... and Love is what binds all the Natural Cosmic Laws (aka 7 hermetic principles) together.

[Hillbilly]

If there was really a god almighty do you seriously think he would use idiots like 7th Cuck and the shitheads on TBN for his mouthpiece????????

[vacuum]

Thanks, this is very interesting. Still reading through it.

One thing that I keep thinking about is, if there was one group that could and would pull something like this off, which group would that be?

[7th trump]

If there was really a god almighty do you seriously think he would use idiots like 7th Cuck and the shitheads on TBN for his mouthpiece????????

Having second thoughts about God Almighty are you?

So you think I'm an idiot for voicing my opinion on certain subjects and arguing with Palani..........all while being able to recite scripture and showing some of the fella's here they have it all wrong.

I'd say your jealous that you arent that intelligent on many subjects. God has definitely given me many gifts and shown me many things. Things that are currently out of your realm of understanding.
It appears to you that I'm aggressive.....but the truth is you aren't up to speed to my level of understanding.
I'll tell you this about God he doesnt give much to the unhumble. Humble yourself before Him and he'll start showing Himself to you.
I didnt ask for money, fame or fortune...I asked for intelligence and understanding.
I read the bible for roughly 2 years to get to know Him and what the Bible is about and why we are here when theres evidence of ancient civilizations (the first earth age, before God tore it all down and made earth a wilderness) Some of that first earth age is being dug up.

I do agree with God....why should he show Himself to you the unbeliever....the test is about your faith.
In the end if you have no faith...............you get nothing but destruction (uncreated)....life will go on without you. You'll be forgotten about...and nobody will care....too busy enjoying ever lasting life in paradise.

[Hitch]

Having second thoughts about God Almighty are you?

So you think I'm an idiot for voicing my opinion on certain subjects and arguing with Palani..........all while being able to recite scripture and showing some of the fella's here they have it all wrong.

I'd say your jealous that you arent that intelligent on many subjects. God has definitely given me many gifts and shown me many things. Things that are currently out of your realm of understanding.
It appears to you that I'm aggressive.....but the truth is you aren't up to speed to my level of understanding.
I'll tell you this about God he doesnt give much to the unhumble. Humble yourself before Him and he'll start showing Himself to you.
I didnt ask for money, fame or fortune...I asked for intelligence and understanding.
I read the bible for roughly 2 years to get to know Him and what the Bible is about and why we are here when theres evidence of ancient civilizations (the first earth age, before God tore it all down and made earth a wilderness) Some of that first earth age is being dug up.

I do agree with God....why should he show Himself to you the unbeliever....the test is about your faith.
In the end if you have no faith...............you get nothing but destruction (uncreated)....life will go on without you. You'll be forgotten about...and nobody will care....too busy enjoying ever lasting life in paradise.

7th....please don't take this personal, but piss off. Seriously. I don't think there's a man on the planet that wants to waste the energy to respond to this crap. You are the most unhumble bastard to ever spawn the earth.

I read maybe a paragraph of your posts, and after that, it's..blah blah blah

Face it. We all have our own relationship with God. You don't, and can't, dictate that. Shoving a finger up the ass of this forum, isn't working for you, is it?

Take a walk on the beach. As honorary temp moderator here, I ban you for 3 days.

[7th trump]

7th....please don't take this personal, but piss off. Seriously. I don't think there's a man on the planet that wants to waste the energy to respond to this crap. You are the must unhumble bastard to ever spawn the earth.

I read maybe a paragraph of your posts, and after that, it's..blah blah blah

Face it. We all have our own relationship with God. You don't, and can't, dictate that. Shoving a finger up the ass of this forum, isn't working for you, is it?

Take a walk on the beach. As honorary temp moderator here, I ban you for 3 days.

Neuro was a better moderator than you.

Im not trying to dictate anything, but what the Bible says will happen to the non-believers and sinners...tough shit isnt it grasshopper?

Dont like God and His rules to living forever then by all means destroy yourselves....I agree with Him that He'll destroy you......paradise doesnt need assholes and thats why we are here today in the flesh...test time...are you a champion?

[Hitch]

Neuro was a better moderator than you.

Im not trying to dictate anything, but what the Bible says will happen to the non-believers and sinners...tough shit isnt it grasshopper?

Dont like God and His rules to living forever then by all means destroy yourselves....I agree with Him that He'll destroy you......paradise doesnt need assholes and thats why we are here today in the flesh...test time...are you a champion?

God doesn't destroy his creation, us.

We destroy ourselves. That's free will.

[7th trump]

God doesn't destroy his creation, us.

We destroy ourselves. That's free will.

No...God will destroy the sinners...he will uncreate them as in no longer exist.

[Hitch]

No...God will destroy the sinners...he will uncreate them as in no longer exist.

I disagree. If God uncreates them, they will never answer for their sins.

You are a sinner. Do you know that? We all are sinners.

[Jewboo]

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As for Hoarder, I had nothing to do with that....







And I'll tell ya, "Its none of your damn business either, Hoarder knows why he was banned, why dont you ask him."








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[Hillbilly]

People like 7th Cuck are always so sure that "their" god is the right one and everyone else is going to hell. If your god was worth the paper the bible is writen on he would tell everyone personally instead of relying on retard religious fanatics like Cuck screaming at the top of your lungs "my god can beat up your god!"

[7th trump]

People like 7th Cuck are always so sure that "their" god is the right one and everyone else is going to hell. If your god was worth the paper the bible is writen on he would tell everyone personally instead of relying on retard religious fanatics like Cuck screaming at the top of your lungs "my god can beat up your god!"

Seriously?

Read the Bible and maybe you'll come across why God has hidden Himself from us while we are free without any intervention from Him to decide who or what you're going to follow. That's what He wants to know.....what are you made of.
I guess you're not intelligent enough to understand what faith is.

Heres a clue (doubt it'll do you any good as your bent set on being a stoop. Yes I said "stoop" because it is you who has started this name calling) it all has to do with lucifers revolt.

Its all up to you to find God. And by doing so your very existence depends on it. If you don't want God or reject Him...he'll destroy you. He can do that....He created you and you most likely were on lucifers side during the revolt. But since He didn't want to destroy you then Hes given everyone a chance without any intervention of Him in the flesh to see what you are made of...all born as a babe with no recollection of the revolt or Him or Lucifer. Born with no clothes or able to think for yourself or care for yourself.....innocent to decide for yourself.....and He is being very generous by do just that because he could have destroyed you then and none of this would be taking place.
If you want to reject God so be it. Its your free will to decide.....I'll push you into the lake of fire...if He allows me to. The "second death", if you're lucky enough to get tested after the 1000 year rule of a rod of iron, has no bite for me ...it doesn't effect the over comers, but you it just might.

[7th trump]

I disagree. If God uncreates them, they will never answer for their sins.

You are a sinner. Do you know that? We all are sinners.

Death is the answer. They'll go before God who will judge them for their actions. Those on the right are saved (sheep)...those who are on the left (goats) go into the lake of fire to be destroyed.
Sure we are all sinners, who's perfect, but those who repent are saved.........guess that's where faith comes in.


I've come to realize that you haven't read the bible have you?
But you're gonna tell me all about the bible and being a sinner................interesting!
Read a passage warning me of fools like you.

What I'm telling you is fundamental to any Bible reader and yet you haven't a clue about it.
And you call me names and accuse me................hahaha!

[Hillbilly]

Seriously?

Read the Bible and maybe you'll come across why God has hidden Himself from us while we are free without any intervention from Him to decide who or what you're going to follow. That's what He wants to know.....what are you made of.
I guess you're not intelligent enough to understand what faith is.

Heres a clue (doubt it'll do you any good as your bent set on being a stoop. Yes I said "stoop" because it is you who has started this name calling) it all has to do with lucifers revolt.

Its all up to you to find God. And by doing so your very existence depends on it. If you don't want God or reject Him...he'll destroy you. He can do that....He created you and you most likely were on lucifers side during the revolt. But since He didn't want to destroy you then Hes given everyone a chance without any intervention of Him in the flesh to see what you are made of...all born as a babe with no recollection of the revolt or Him or Lucifer. Born with no clothes or able to think for yourself or care for yourself.....innocent to decide for yourself.....and He is being very generous by do just that because he could have destroyed you then and none of this would be taking place.
If you want to reject God so be it. Its your free will to decide.....I'll push you into the lake of fire...if He allows me to. The "second death", if you're lucky enough to get tested after the 1000 year rule of a rod of iron, has no bite for me ...it doesn't effect the over comers, but you it just might.

God created Lucifer, so basically god created all the evil on earth then went and hid. Ya sure that is a loving god...not!

[7th trump]

God created Lucifer, so basically god created all the evil on earth then went and hid. Ya sure that is a loving god...not!

Sure God created lucifer. Lucifer earned his position as a protector of Christ (the Mercy seat). God loved lucifer and even then lucifer wasnt evil. Lucifer wanted to be sitting in the Mercy seat (Christs position) and so he revolted against God and Christ. Took 1/3 of Gods children with him to worship him instead of God and Christ.
Thats it in a nut shell and you now have no excuse.

[Hitch]

Death is the answer. They'll go before God who will judge them for their actions. Those on the right are saved (sheep)...those who are on the left (goats) go into the lake of fire to be destroyed.
Sure we are all sinners, who's perfect, but those who repent are saved.........guess that's where faith comes in.


I've come to realize that you haven't read the bible have you?
But you're gonna tell me all about the bible and being a sinner................interesting!
Read a passage warning me of fools like you.

What I'm telling you is fundamental to any Bible reader and yet you haven't a clue about it.
And you call me names and accuse me................hahaha!

Your problem, and sin, is you use the bible as an excuse. You think biblical knowledge saves you. It doesn't. Your actions and posts on this forum show the truth, that you condemn others, you judge, you pick on Ximmy, you have a foul mouth in general.

I do know one thing. God doesn't want us to hide behind the Bible, nor use it's knowledge (his word), to further an agenda.

But you are 7th Trump. "I know the Bible, I can treat others like crap, because I'm saved!"

Good luck explaining that to God.

[7th trump]

Your problem, and sin, is you use the bible as an excuse. You think biblical knowledge saves you. It doesn't. Your actions and posts on this forum show the truth, that you condemn others, you judge, you pick on Ximmy, you have a foul mouth in general.

I do know one thing. God doesn't want us to hide behind the Bible, nor use it's knowledge (his word), to further an agenda.

But you are 7th Trump. "I know the Bible, I can treat others like crap, because I'm saved!"

Good luck explaining that to God.

Biblical knowledge doesn't save huh?
Spoken like a true fool who's butt is hurting and whos never read the Bible to know who created you.
He was in prison but you never came to visit Him....hitch
Any guess what that prison is Hitch?

Its the Bible Hitch...he's locked up in the Bible and you never came to visit Him. You just keep passing Him by as if the entity that created you isnt even worth two shits to the wind.
You portray yourself as someone who knows him and all about the Bible...but the truth is you havent a clue. and the truth is you dont even care except when someone hurts your little itty bity feelings with strong words after you cast the first stone.
What a pussy!

[Hitch]

Biblical knowledge doesn't save huh?
Spoken like a true fool who's butt is hurting and whos never read the Bible to know who created you.
He was in prison but you never came to visit Him....hitch
Any guess what that prison is Hitch?

Its the Bible Hitch...he's locked up in the Bible and you never came to visit Him. You just keep passing Him by as if the entity that created you isnt even worth two shits to the wind.
You portray yourself as someone who knows him and all about the Bible...but the truth is you havent a clue. and the truth is you dont even care except when someone hurts your little itty bity feelings with strong words after you cast the first stone.
What a pussy!

God watches us 7th, as we are his children.

Are you proud of this post?

I read the Bible. I just don't hide behind it, nor use it as an excuse, like you do.

[Hillbilly]

Sure God created lucifer. Lucifer earned his position as a protector of Christ (the Mercy seat). God loved lucifer and even then lucifer wasnt evil. Lucifer wanted to be sitting in the Mercy seat (Christs position) and so he revolted against God and Christ. Took 1/3 of Gods children with him to worship him instead of God and Christ.
Thats it in a nut shell and you now have no excuse.

Sounds like a bad movie plot not the "perfect diety" LOL

[Neuro]

Biblical knowledge doesn't save huh?
No it doesn't, it's what is in your heart. Despite all your reading yours is like a stone...

[7th trump]

No it doesn't, it's what is in your heart. Despite all your reading yours is like a stone...

I'm afraid not....you've been listening to satan again.

And you're just like 90% of them out there too egotistical to read what magnitude of deceit is coming.
Anyone with the mark on their hand and forehead do not attain salvation........even church goers do not attain salvation. Even the so called "saved" do not attain salvation. ANYONE with the mark is doomed regardless.
You cant half ass it like you think you can neuro.

I know its hard for you to comprehend but you're a lazy, above being humble, half ass'er.

[7th trump]

Sounds like a bad movie plot not the "perfect diety" LOL

You'll see some day just how wrong and foolish you are...and theres nobody but yourself to blame for your destruction.

[7th trump]

God watches us 7th, as we are his children.

Are you proud of this post?

I read the Bible. I just don't hide behind it, nor use it as an excuse, like you do.

You may have read it, but thats no excuse for your lack of comprehension.

And no I do not hide behind it.....now you're just being an asshole.

[Neuro]

I'm afraid not....
Good luck then!

[7th trump]

Good luck then!

Playing games is what you're good at.
You know what I meant, but instead you insist, by demonstration, that you are in fact a fool.

Hows the muslims invasion coming along?

[Neuro]

Hows the muslims invasion coming along?
I have almost reconquered Constantinopel!

[Hillbilly]

7th Cuck.... Believing is not knowing..... think about that and let it sink in you and your bible believer friends.

[7th trump]

7th Cuck.... Believing is not knowing..... think about that and let it sink in you and your bible believer friends.

The heck are you referring to?

One day you'll be regretting your atheism and it'll be too late.

[Hillbilly]

You can only believe in gods existence you can not know, there is no proof of god only wacked out "holly men" saying "do this or go to hell and please send money"

[7th trump]

You can only believe in gods existence you can not know, there is no proof of god only wacked out "holly men" saying "do this or go to hell and please send money"

You're just a sad individual arent you.

[Hillbilly]

You're just a sad individual arent you.

You are just projecting. Religious people are always sad little children in side that need to pick on other people to make themselves feel better. The ones that sit in the front row of church are the worst.

[7th trump]

You are just projecting. Religious people are always sad little children in side that need to pick on other people to make themselves feel better. The ones that sit in the front row of church are the worst.

Who said I was religious?
I haven't stepped into a church in almost a decade....for a wedding at that. Before that another decade for my grandpa's funeral.

[Hillbilly]

Who said I was religious?
I haven't stepped into a church in almost a decade....for a wedding at that. Before that another decade for my grandpa's funeral.

oh you are one of those. Your local church is not "hard core" enough for you aka burning fags in effigy and sucking jew cock. You probably cary your bible in one of those little leather briefcases too, like it was a suitcase nuke ready to vaperize the unworthy with a perfectly timed quote.

[7th trump]

oh you are one of those. Your local church is not "hard core" enough for you aka burning fags in effigy and sucking jew cock. You probably cary your bible in one of those little leather briefcases too, like it was a suitcase nuke ready to vaperize the unworthy with a perfectly timed quote.

Hahaha....you're just an angry old bitch are ya.

Your pussy has been hurting lately...why?

[Hillbilly]

Hahaha....you're just an angry old bitch are ya.

Your pussy has been hurting lately...why?

Gotcha! I pegged you dead to rights and you know it. You had no response but to name call.

[Hitch]

Gotcha! I pegged you dead to rights and you know it. You had no response but to name call.

Good job, Hillbilly. You got em.

[7th trump]

Gotcha! I pegged you dead to rights and you know it. You had no response but to name call.

No, I didnt start calling you names until after you cast the first name calling stone.
Go back and read the posts....I'm smarter than you are ....I already figured you were doing just that. Trying to stir up shit to try and put the blame and lies on me. Ohhh...and I guess you thought we Christians arent intelligent enough to out wit your ass....remember God gives his own wisdom and intelligence...Hes the winner in the end...you are not!

You're just another asshole who thinks Christians shouldnt be out spoken and hold their own or voice an opinion....you're just a pussy drama queen just like Hitch is.

[7th trump]

Good job, Hillbilly. You got em.

Hahahahahaha..........no such thing douche bag. I've been waiting for it. and assholes like you to open your yap and make a stupid claim like that.
You're a damn idiotic fool.

[Hillbilly]

Hahahahahaha..........no such thing douche bag. I've been waiting for it. and assholes like you to open your yap and make a stupid claim like that.
You're a damn idiotic fool.

You have been OWNED bible briefcase boy. Everyone knows what you are now, you are just wasting your breath at this point.

[Hitch]

You have been OWNED bible briefcase boy. Everyone knows what you are now, you are just wasting your breath at this point.

Wasting his breath, and wasting our time as well. I tell you, it's people like him that give religion a bad name. It makes no sense, they are insane. You don't go around calling people douchebags and assholes, then claim you live by the bible and are saved.

Bible briefcase boy needs to look in the mirror, hopefully he'll see a sinner looking back at himself. Then, maybe God will save his ass. God is probably reading this thread, and laughing his ass off.